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[Q] PC upgrade planned... any suggestion?

Hey everyone,
I got my first laptop about 6 months back and in comparison to it my desktop just feels slow! My Desire HD even feels quicker! I have about £300 pounds to spend on an upgrade but I am not sure how to have the biggest effect on my system. At the moment I have...
Intel Core2 Duo 6600
Asus P5W-DH Deluxe
GeForce 9800 GTX+
2x 1GB OCZ PC-2 6400 Platinum
Western Digital Raptor 74GB (OS)
2x Samsung F1, 1Tb in Raid 1 (Main)
Enermax Liberty 500W
I use this machine for the normal office and web activities, as an FTP server to serve my media to laptop and phone, and occasional video encoding. I have two ideas about what to upgrade...
1) Swap my raptor for a SSD and chuck in a new Core 2, Quad Core CPU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...14&subcat=1427
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=6&subcat=567
2) Make the move to i5 (Mobo, CPU and Memory) and sacrifice getting a SSD
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...id=339&subcat=
I guess it all comes down to how good the SSD is? Anyways, I just wanted your opinions?
Thanks
Ed

32gb corsair/ocz ssd and 2-4gb extra ram , maybe a q6600 (they go for dirt cheap and oc nicely)
this should be about 200-220 pounds , any money spent higher than that this on an upgrade is unreasonable
also with ssd , as long as its a brand the newer the better , make sure ur not gettin some 1-2 yr old leftover from stock

My primary drive with my OS on is currently 74 GB. This is the perfect size for me as it's always got 60 - 70 GB of data on. If I get a SSD I would probably want it to be a similar size. 32 GB just seems too small. Maybe something like this...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-059-OC&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910
Also with the new Intel G3 and new Sandforce controllers coming out I figured current generation SSD's will drop a bit in price. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
It's interesting you suggested memory. For some stupid reason it didn't come to mind that I am just scraping Windows 7's minimum requirements. I guess its things like that which make me always ask on forums first! A fresh 4 GB ram would probably help a lot more than an upgraded CPU. I was looking at something like this...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-026-KS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=813
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-096-GL&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=813
Geil has better timings but I have heard good things about Kingston HyperX...
This CPU and memory comes in at under £200 well below my budget and will probs make the world of difference! All the feedback I can get is appreciated!

Former lead tech at Asus phone technical support says this:
MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128441
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103894
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226103 (x2)
Sound Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102034
Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102915
SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227551

you dont need a sound card nowdays for the typical user ... and he isnt a gamer so i guess he doesnt need a better gfx , gtx+ is fairly decent , around a 4870 or 4890 , should be able to play crysis 2 on hardcore setting
also there decent enuff 775 cpu's to make the jump to am3 or intel i series unreasoned
and coming from a 3.5gb ddr1 400 config to a 2gb , later 6gb ddr3 1600 config i can tell the speed of the ram is hardly noticable , the trouble starts when it runs out

souljaboy said:
you dont need a sound card nowdays for the typical user ... and he isnt a gamer so i guess he doesnt need a better gfx , gtx+ is fairly decent , around a 4870 or 4890 , should be able to play crysis 2 on hardcore setting
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Very true! Also with the price of that recommended mobo, CPU and RAM in the UK I could get for a similar amount the core i5 option I found which is probably better...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...id=339&subcat=
Instead I like the sound of the cheaper option (SSD and RAM). That would probably fit my demands, and if not I can make another upgrade and carry across the SSD.
Has anyone got a convincing argument to not go for a SSD and 4Gb RAM?

keep the 2gb , and ull have 6 .

Can I do that? Would you put the new memory sticks in A1 and B1, and the old sticks in A2 and B2. That way the total in channel A would equal the total in channel B?

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new rams go in orange old in black and you should be gettin dual channel ... ull need a 64bit os tho

any of the new sandybridge cpu's are nice. I upgraded from an e6600 at the beginning of the year (new mobo and mem, kept hdd and everything else) and the upgrade was night/day.

slabyk said:
any of the new sandybridge cpu's are nice. I upgraded from an e6600 at the beginning of the year (new mobo and mem, kept hdd and everything else) and the upgrade was night/day.
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ive done the same from amd single core 1800mhz to quad core 3400mhz and on my day to day tasks(other than games) i find myself waiting for my slow hdd as i did with the old comp ... ssd would be the first thing i get ... but im always busy changing phones

Haven't really tried SSDs yet... I have way too much stuff to use an SDD effectively. I'd suggest that you go for upgrades that'll stay for a while, like going for a REALLY good processor, mobo and RAM combo and then start thinking about upgrading the other stuff.

souljaboy said:
ive done the same from amd single core 1800mhz to quad core 3400mhz and on my day to day tasks(other than games) i find myself waiting for my slow hdd as i did with the old comp ... ssd would be the first thing i get ... but im always busy changing phones
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I was worried the same thing would happen to me. Everyone I have spoken to who made the jump to a SSD has been amazed.
sakai4eva said:
Haven't really tried SSDs yet... I have way too much stuff to use an SDD effectively. I'd suggest that you go for upgrades that'll stay for a while, like going for a REALLY good processor, mobo and RAM combo and then start thinking about upgrading the other stuff.
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I have 2TB of media but my plan is to put OS on SSD and media on other drives. That setup should use SSD effectively. I agree completely with the rest of your post. I would love a nice new 'REALLY' good SandyBridge CPU, Mobo and RAM but that will blow my budget apart. By getting a good SSD it will stay for a while and be transferable from any system to any system too.
If I am unhappy with SSD choice I can always save again and make the move to SandyBridge at a later date.
I want so steer the whole conversation in a new direction now...
What SSD would people recommend?

Im struggling with my SSD choice. I know good solid options are the Intel X-25M and the OCZ Revodrive. I can get both of these in 80Gb options for about £170.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-004-IN&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-057-OC&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910
I know that for the same price I can get the new Intel SSD's in a 120GB variant but reviews suggest that the Intel X-25M and the OCZ Revodrive both beat the new Intel. As my aim is performance and as i dont need that extra space on my primary drive i have ruled it out.
The question is should I future proof my buy by stretching my budget to an OCZ Vertex 3.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-071-OC&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=1427
What do you all think?

Neither Get your budget to £220 then get an intel 510 120GB
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-009-IN
Just look at those speeds (450 read, 250 write) + You get a free game... Also I notice you linked to overclockers.co.uk too.... Do you have an account on their forums?

MacaronyMax said:
Neither Get your budget to £220 then get an intel 510 120GB
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-009-IN
Just look at those speeds (450 read, 250 write) + You get a free game... Also I notice you linked to overclockers.co.uk too.... Do you have an account on their forums?
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They weren't even up on the site when I looked! I thought they were going to be way more money than that but at that price i'm sold. Also made my mind up on RAM...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-190-CS&tool=3
Both of these should have my PC feeling like a different machine!
I only overclockers forums last week and I haven't posted there yet. Cant comment on whether they have a good community is that's what you were wondering
To get advice on this upgrade I only posted here and on PCstats. I still havent heard anything on PCstats. I thought XDA would be pretty poor as its for mobile devices but the responses have been pretty good.
Thanks everyone!!

get a modded os for perf ;-) like modded roms

edcoppen said:
They weren't even up on the site when I looked! I thought they were going to be way more money than that but at that price i'm sold. Also made my mind up on RAM...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-190-CS&tool=3
Both of these should have my PC feeling like a different machine!
I only overclockers forums last week and I haven't posted there yet. Cant comment on whether they have a good community is that's what you were wondering
To get advice on this upgrade I only posted here and on PCstats. I still havent heard anything on PCstats. I thought XDA would be pretty poor as its for mobile devices but the responses have been pretty good.
Thanks everyone!!
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Haha Aweome although... Is your motherboard DDR3 or 2 compatible? If it's DDR3 don't get that, it wontwotk haha, plus... Check amazon too... Last week I got 8GB DDR3 1333mhz for £65
haha naa... I signed up like last week too they're okay, helped me out on some stuff
Also xda is full of nerds and stuff so yeah... Your very likley r to get a response here

[Q] Question To The Developers About The RAM

When I look at the XSP device info, the ram size 766 mb even though the phone is 1 gb
compared with another 1 gb ram phone, in the device info it says 971 mb, so that results in about 200 mb free extra memory in the second phone
I searched a lot and couldn't find anything about this.
Is there a way to make the Xperia SP show 900+ mb?
before anyone says that its system reserved, how come the second phone has a much smaller reserved value?
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Second phone is Tengda T94 (chinese phone) the multitasking difference in the XSP cannot be compared to the T94, the T94 is so much better
its very frustrating to look around for a solution for a 1 gb ram phone! to get better multitasking!!! i feel like im looking for a solution for an entry android device. i love this phone i wish i can find a way to get better multitasking as its an important basic smartphone feature

I think its just bad ram management. My SP on CM10.2 works without problems
Shows about 841 mb (total)
Sony Software can't do this!
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cachanilla86 said:
I think its just bad ram management. My SP on CM10.2 works without problems
Shows about 841 mb (total)
Sony Software can't do this!
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Is there anyway I can do you think on the stock rom as I can't unlock my bootloader
everyone please guide us

tegr96 said:
Is there anyway I can do you think on the stock rom as I can't unlock my bootloader
everyone please guide us
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It is something to do with the kernel I think
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there is nothing u could do in stock ROM unless u greenify everything + remove every bloatwares
but theres nothing wrong with the running ram, just let it filled... android is different alot than PC, in android the RAM is used to be filled, its normal... i remember some XDA members said that "unused ram is a wasted ram"
MAYBE, sony intented to do that to limit the apps prosessing

im not a developer and i dont understand why the 2 phones i mentioned both 1 gb ram and 1 show quarter missing , can anyone at least explain to us why does such a thing exist, ive been looking everywhere online but i couldnt find an answer! is it really that hard to answer?
is there a solution to make the sp show 900+ mb in system info in antutu benchmark

tegr96;47670505 is it really that hard to answer?[/QUOTE said:
Yes it is
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well i found the answer, this 250 mb of ram that is hidden is reserved for the gpu as i read on some article.
and there could be a way to amend that a little bit through some kernel.
im now disappointed and thinking about replacing this phone as multitasking is very poor and its a basic feature of a smart phone.
its strange to see a chinese phone that is 110 usd faster with better multitasking and even the screen quality and gaming is better! why cant a top company like sony do something to give access to the 1 gb ram which is very needed for basic use

tegr96 said:
well i found the answer, this 250 mb of ram that is hidden is reserved for the gpu as i read on some article.
and there could be a way to amend that a little bit through some kernel.
im now disappointed and thinking about replacing this phone as multitasking is very poor and its a basic feature of a smart phone.
its strange to see a chinese phone that is 110 usd faster with better multitasking and even the screen quality and gaming is better! why cant a top company like sony do something to give access to the 1 gb ram which is very needed for basic use
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next time try to read everything you can and sort out all your questions BEFORE buying something, helped me before XD

tegr96 said:
im not a developer and i dont understand why the 2 phones i mentioned both 1 gb ram and 1 show quarter missing , can anyone at least explain to us why does such a thing exist, ive been looking everywhere online but i couldnt find an answer! is it really that hard to answer?
is there a solution to make the sp show 900+ mb in system info in antutu benchmark
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
don't think more Ram will get you faster, new chips it is ..( bigger Cpu Cache, bigger GPU, Dual channel memory )
sony need those 200mb for gpu, because it's a multimedia hd phone and gaming phone ( 320 gpu like xz :fingers-crossed: )...so you get hd movie recorder , hd games, even you can trow this to hd tv ...
i have this $200 chinnese quadcore with msm8225 , 203 gpu,1Gb ram ... and i believe xsp faster than this chinnese quadcore
and this phone don't have NFC, can't play full hd movie, lags on hd games, can't record full hd movie, no os update, and the list will go on ...
antutu about 13k on this chip, on quadcore mediatek chip about 16k, xsp about 21k ... you tell me who is the fastest ...
so, don't bother what is show on bench, user experience is...:laugh:

tegr96 said:
well i found the answer, this 250 mb of ram that is hidden is reserved for the gpu as i read on some article.
and there could be a way to amend that a little bit through some kernel.
im now disappointed and thinking about replacing this phone as multitasking is very poor and its a basic feature of a smart phone.
its strange to see a chinese phone that is 110 usd faster with better multitasking and even the screen quality and gaming is better! why cant a top company like sony do something to give access to the 1 gb ram which is very needed for basic use
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Please no more chinese phone jokes,
unless you found one with a Snapdragon 600/800 etc, the GPU performance is in those 110 USD chinese "Super phones" is very poor.
Not even comparable to the Adreno 225 let alone 320.
regards

Haha,my friend has a sgs4 and that has 2gb ram and 1.81 user accesible.At times his phone has 700-900 mb free...so dont complain

Phone is very good.And i honestly believe that another 100-150 MB of ram wouldnt make any difference...They would in my previous xperia X8 which had 27MB free ram all the time...But when you have 350+ free as i do now, being 500 wont change a thing.
With 250 EUR i got a phone with almost the performance of xpZ (yeah cause of 720 screen but its ok for me ) that wont slow down on everything you throw at it.So dont complain about the little missing RAM which as said is not wasted but is being used but for the GPU.:good:

[SPECS] Sony Xperia E1 Specifications - General Discussions

Hey all
I've changed the OP of this thread with specification listings as i thought it may be more helpful.:good:
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Display - TFT, 4.0 inches, 480 x 800 pixels (~233 ppi pixel density)
Chipset - Qualcomm MSM8210 Snapdragon 200
CPU - Dual-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A7
GPU - Adreno 302
RAM - 512 MB
Memory - 4 GB, microSD, up to 32 GB
Camera - 3.15 MP, 2048 x 1536 pixels
Secondary Camera - N/A
Sensors - Accelerometer, proximity, compass
Connectivity - Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, Wi-Fi Direct, hotspot, Bluetooth v4.0
Battery - 1700 mAh
Dimensions - 118 x 62.4 x 12 mm
Weight - 120 g
Color Availability - Black, Purple, White​

Xperia E1
Hey Guys. This section from my understanding was made for the more lower end devices at much cheaper prices with still capabilities of mid-range/high end performances. Well, what about the upcoming Xperia E1?
It should be in here because:
1) It is the follow on from the current Xperia E in this section.
2) It is affordable and mid-range, like the devices in this sections.
3)Specs are decent (Dual Core 1.2 Ghz, Android 4.3, only 512MB of RAM) and so can be improved (RAM Swapfiles/Increasers, CM11 or Android 4.4.2, Maxed CPU with Greenify).
What do you think? And to top it off - Over than the Swapper for Root making Swapfiles, does anyone know how to actually increase the RAM of the Xperia E (Virtual or Internally?). I have 409MB Max Ram and I want to add 512MB more from my Class 4/4GB Sd card. Any help? Because RAM will increase my game's performance by far.
STAY ON TOPIC - Xperia E1, Opinions on the phone, release date, leaked secrets about it, will it be on this forum???

No offense dude, but you should never mention the E1 in this section of xda... Makes us lament our decisions (and hate Sony even more)
EDIT : I will answer your question about RAM though.
An SD card is MUCH MUCH slower than RAM. AFAIK, RAM is the fastest memory of any machine.
So even if you do use the SD card, it will be extremely slow.
That slow.
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The E1.... is a crap phone in its range and should be avoided at all costs. In it's range, we've got the Xperia M, Galaxy S Duos 2, and (after some stretching of the budget) the Moto G. You seriously think anybody would want this thing? The prices introduced in Germany are (from amazon.de) EUR 144. This is roughly equal to Rs. 12k, the price of an Xperia M. An S Duos 2 comes for Rs. 11k.
Note that the price is for Germany - looking at India's economy, I think it won't be released for less than 13k.

Ohh...
Sorry I was going for Xperia m as my summer choice anyway...
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XPeRIAeUSeR said:
Hey Guys. This section from my understanding was made for the more lower end devices at much cheaper prices with still capabilities of mid-range/high end performances. Well, what about the upcoming Xperia E1?
It should be in here because:
1) It is the follow on from the current Xperia E in this section.
2) It is affordable and mid-range, like the devices in this sections.
3)Specs are decent (Dual Core 1.2 Ghz, Android 4.3, only 512MB of RAM) and so can be improved (RAM Swapfiles/Increasers, CM11 or Android 4.4.2, Maxed CPU with Greenify).
What do you think? And to top it off - Over than the Swapper for Root making Swapfiles, does anyone know how to actually increase the RAM of the Xperia E (Virtual or Internally?). I have 409MB Max Ram and I want to add 512MB more from my Class 4/4GB Sd card. Any help? Because RAM will increase my game's performance by far.
STAY ON TOPIC - Xperia E1, Opinions on the phone, release date, leaked secrets about it, will it be on this forum???
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Xperia E1 might go to the Xperia L, Xperia M sections too. Maybe its a Semi-Tamsui (if you know what I mean) like the Xperia E itself.

the xe1 is a class for it self ... i mean it comes with a completely new chipset (qct s400; 2x1,2ghz cortex a7+adreno 302) ... and dunno but it comes without front cam ?!
and btw xperia m/l comes with qct snapdragon s4 plus and this means that they have a better gpu (i think so),so when you like music more than play games or something buy e1,for performance i would definitely choose m/l cause of cortex a9 cores and andreno 305.

XPeRIAeUSeR said:
Hey Guys. This section from my understanding was made for the more lower end devices at much cheaper prices with still capabilities of mid-range/high end performances. Well, what about the upcoming Xperia E1?
It should be in here because:
1) It is the follow on from the current Xperia E in this section.
2) It is affordable and mid-range, like the devices in this sections.
3)Specs are decent (Dual Core 1.2 Ghz, Android 4.3, only 512MB of RAM) and so can be improved (RAM Swapfiles/Increasers, CM11 or Android 4.4.2, Maxed CPU with Greenify).
What do you think? And to top it off - Over than the Swapper for Root making Swapfiles, does anyone know how to actually increase the RAM of the Xperia E (Virtual or Internally?). I have 409MB Max Ram and I want to add 512MB more from my Class 4/4GB Sd card. Any help? Because RAM will increase my game's performance by far.
STAY ON TOPIC - Xperia E1, Opinions on the phone, release date, leaked secrets about it, will it be on this forum???
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E1 firmwares and other stuff wont work for E ......so i dont care even a bit for E1
and the ram swaping damages memory card if used for a long time ,,,life of the card decreases

This is a very cool phone, the case is just a little thick.

Damn Cool
I love the Xperia E1: It looks awesome (really similar to the Xperia Z1 Compact), it has the Walkman button and it has Android 4.3 .
And from the first Russian hands-on it seems that the display is really bright and colorful, and it seems very fast
P.S : The price in Italy is 119 euros, so who has Miro, Tipo and E can switch to it without spending a lot of money
P.P.S: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBhjpTLsUK8 New hands on of E1

just bought e1 dual today... at rm499 + free 8gb microsd, its way better than my older tipo single. and i still cant root it, yet. now trying to update to the newest software version. other than the loud 100db speaker, i would say it win over tipo because: bigger screen resolution, a litter faster chip, and louder speaker. other than that, everything is copied over.

zzztidurvirus said:
just bought e1 dual today... at rm499 + free 8gb microsd, its way better than my older tipo single. and i still cant root it, yet. now trying to update to the newest software version. other than the loud 100db speaker, i would say it win over tipo because: bigger screen resolution, a litter faster chip, and louder speaker. other than that, everything is copied over.
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Hey, how is the gaming? Im Malaysian too..is it ok? No lag even playing hardcore games like asphalt 8, mc4 or else?
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kuugatitan98 said:
Hey, how is the gaming? Im Malaysian too..is it ok? No lag even playing hardcore games like asphalt 8, mc4 or else?
Sent from my C1505 using xda app-developers app
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i didnt have those games yet. maybe tonight i try to get asphalt 8. weird, antutu seems to crash whenever it reaches the graphics test (the screen with those fishes swimming). still no way to root it, yet. testing the e1dual with raging thunder 2, it runs smoothly, way better than tipo (better graphics, maybe?)
Update:
No asphalt 8 for e1d today. no wifi, h+ on maxis? too expensive for me... Suggestions?

Can anyone get a System Dump of E1 for me
Thanks

aazzam16661 said:
Can anyone get a System Dump of E1 for me
Thanks
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here's the firmware (extract what you need youreself ) http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-j-e/general/ftf-xperia-e1-dual-d2105-20-0-b-0-68-t2691570

Grimlock007 said:
here's the firmware (extract what you need youreself ) http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-j-e/general/ftf-xperia-e1-dual-d2105-20-0-b-0-68-t2691570
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I have downloaded it, but I don't know how to extract the System Files and the Ramdisk

aazzam16661 said:
I have downloaded it, but I don't know how to extract the System Files and the Ramdisk
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Open the .ftf with WinRar and extract system.sin. In Flashtool go to tools>sin editor and extract system.sin. You will get a system.ext4 file(Linux archive file). Use any Linux archiver to extract the folders in the system.ext4 file.
For the ramdisk you can use this tool: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1262656
You just need to extract the kernel.sin from the .ftf and follow the instructions. If you do not have Linux, Cywgin with perl installed should do.
Hope that helps
Mats

aazzam16661 said:
I have downloaded it, but I don't know how to extract the System Files and the Ramdisk
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yea...follow the stuff what matspunt said...
anyway ..may we know what plans you have with the files? roms? app porting?

Grimlock007 said:
yea...follow the stuff what matspunt said...
anyway ..may we know what plans you have with the files? roms? app porting?
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Well, I have Nothing Do to. I haven't Tried to port a Xperia Rom
So, I want to port this rom to The Legendary HD2
May not work
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Open the .ftf with WinRar and extract system.sin. In Flashtool go to tools>sin editor and extract system.sin. You will get a system.ext4 file(Linux archive file). Use any Linux archiver to extract the folders in the system.ext4 file.
For the ramdisk you can use this tool: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1262656
You just need to extract the kernel.sin from the .ftf and follow the instructions. If you do not have Linux, Cywgin with perl installed should do.
Hope that helps
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Thanks, Worked Perfectly
Now deodexing in Kitchen and then Gonna port to my HTC HD2

aazzam16661 said:
Well, I have Nothing Do to. I haven't Tried to port a Xperia Rom
So, I want to port this rom to The Legendary HD2
May not work
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Now deodexing in Kitchen and then Gonna port to my HTC HD2
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O! good luck! ... yea xperia roms are a bit difficult to port i think....but you have experience with HTC(which is also not easy....right?) so that'll help

Galaxy S5 with QHD and Snapdragon 805 announced

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/18/korean-samsung-galaxy-s5-has-qhd-snapdragon-805
Only for Korean market.

Oh Dear.... soon to be an influx of Samsung haters, saying the usual things like Samsung can go to hell, Samsung betrayed us ect ect ect.
Me i will continue to enjoy my bog standard S5, until i decide next year what to replace it with.

Too bad it's a korean exclusive for now

I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...

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I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...
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Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?

Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.

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Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?
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So?? I don't get your logic.

paddylaz said:
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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There's been quite a bit of discussion in the M8 comparison thread about the impact of QHD on the LG G3. Cliff notes:
- Performance on S-801 took a pretty big hit
- Battery life took a hit
- Display contrast, black levels, and reflectivity all took hits
S-805 isn't a minor upgrade. It and Adreno 440 should allow QHD to perform as well and most likely better than S-801/1080P. So battery life and the quality of Samsung's QHD display are questions left to answer. The M8 thread also has discussion on the value of going from 1080P to QHD which is really pretty limited.

paddylaz said:
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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Performance isn't 'canceled out' since the 805 can handle Ultra HD (4K) screens. The following scteenshot is from Qualcomm's site which summarizes the specs of both the 801 and 805. Snapdragon 805 breakdown
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However, QHD content is currently limited to whatever bloat comes pre-installed from Samsung and wallpapers you can find online . As a result, people can't yet take full advantage of of that high res screen until app developers update their apps and there are very little YouTube videos above 1080p.

3GB RAM vs 2GB in the S5.
Great Samsung. Great.

That phone is a beast. But so is the regular galaxy S5. I don't think ppl should be upset really, its business. If you enjoy your phone then just enjoy it.
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There will be little or no QHD (2K) native content. Commercial content will be 1080p or UHD (4K). That means it'll be up and down scaled which impacts image quality. QHD is a marketing ploy of questionable value. Lots of reasons supporting this in the M8 comparison thread.

This is indeed a good read regarding Snapdragon 805's cpu and gpu power.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8035/qualcomm-snapdragon-805-performance-preview
From there I got couple important points:
The 805 can handle a QuadHD resolution device at the same frame rate and with same performance that an 801 can drive a 1080p device.
It is said to use 20% less power and provide 40% more performance compared to an 800 SoC
The 805 has small (comparatively) cpu boost and significant gpu and video engines boost.
The GPU tests were there. It nailed pretty much everything.
The 805 has HEVC HW decoder, but no HEVC HW Acceleration until the 810 SoC comes out in H1 2015.
I personally did not know what HEVC was. It is actually H.265 codec that provides magnificent video output at much lower bitrate than ax264/h.264 encoded video.
I curiously downloaded Big Buck Bunny 1080p encoded with HEVC that sized only 130 MB. The h.264/x264 encoded video was available at the Big Buck Bunny's official website to download which was roughly 700 MB. The 130 MB file indeed provided great output compared to its regular 700MB variant!

The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.

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The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.
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Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
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Yeah alot of times, many apps have to reload when multitasking, it´s clearly not as good at multitasking as the note3 for instance.

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Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
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So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-600<>1080p/S-800<>QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.

BarryH_GEG said:
So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-6001080p/S-800QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.
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Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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Same here. And it's a Korea exclusive, I don't know why people are whining.
Enviado do meu Galaxy S5

WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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That´s because the phone hibernates apps before it ever reaches full RAM usage. More RAM = more open apps which allows for faster multitasking. You´d think this was basic knowledge by now.
I´m sure you all have switched to an open app only to have it reload like it was first opened.
Coming from an iPhone with 1GB of ram I am overly aware of this issue.
And no I do not want the new S5, I just wish Samsung had put 3gb in the S5 in the first place, like they did in the note3.

New Mi3 in 2015?

I just want to know if it makes sense to buy this device in 2015? I always buy midrangers and don't like shelling out more money. So, what are your thoughts on this? With Lollipop supporting 64-bit does waiting for Moto G 2015 makes sense?

I think yes . It' s very fast and good
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With Lollipop supporting 64-bit do you think I should wait for Moto G 2015?

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With Lollipop supporting 64-bit do you think I should wait for Moto G 2015?
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I have a Mi3 and i'm very glad with it, bought it in February.
But if it was now, i'd probably go to the Mi4i, It comes with MIUI V6 based on Android L and it's a Snapdragon 615 (64bit)

JBolho said:
I have a Mi3 and i'm very glad with it, bought it in February.
But if it was now, i'd probably go to the Mi4i, It comes with MIUI V6 based on Android L and it's a Snapdragon 615 (64bit)
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Right. But SD800 >> SD615.

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Right. But SD800 >> SD615.
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The 800's CPU, on paper and benchmarks, yes. (Antutu on my Mi3, running latest beta MIUI V6 is on the 43k mark)
The GPU is not that different on actual performance, but the 615 is much more energy efficient.
The 800 (as well as the 801 and the 805), are beasts but warm up pretty quickly and Qualcomm's MP-Decision hotplug does not take very long to cap the CPU to half the speed, because the SoC goes very near the 60ºC mark in no time under heavy load.
If you read the news, that's why the 810 is a flop, they pushed the Krait architecture beyond what it can do, and they turned a mobile SoC into an instant frying pan.
Of course, you can always ditch MIUI, go to a Custom Rom along with some custom kernel, ditch MP-decision too, and go with manual frequencies... but then again, if you risk too much heating, the SIM card slot fries (because it's the only place on the Mi3 that expels heat more rapidly), the touch screen begins to take damage and after a while you'll be replacing it, and in the end it will render your phone useless.
Don't get me wrong, i love Krait based Snadragon's, especially the 800 and the 801, but the new 615 and alike, are made with smaller architecture and are much more energy efficient, which means, more battery friendly, and can sustain heavy loads for longer time, because they don't heat up as much, or as faster as their predecessors.
It's not the paper sheet specs that count in the end, it's the day-to-day real performance and behaviour that shows whether a specific SoC is really that good or not.
The PC world learned this some 10 to 15 years ago, when Intel lauched the Pentium 4's with ridiculously high frequencies, everyone was mind-blown to see those speeds right of the shelf, but everyone pretty much realized that those CPU's were pretty much useless in no time, unless you had expensive custom cooling on your setup. Qualcomm made the same mistake.

JBolho said:
The 800's CPU, on paper and benchmarks, yes. (Antutu on my Mi3, running latest beta MIUI V6 is on the 43k mark)
The GPU is not that different on actual performance, but the 615 is much more energy efficient.
The 800 (as well as the 801 and the 805), are beasts but warm up pretty quickly and Qualcomm's MP-Decision hotplug does not take very long to cap the CPU to half the speed, because the SoC goes very near the 60ºC mark in no time under heavy load.
If you read the news, that's why the 810 is a flop, they pushed the Krait architecture beyond what it can do, and they turned a mobile SoC into an instant frying pan.
Of course, you can always ditch MIUI, go to a Custom Rom along with some custom kernel, ditch MP-decision too, and go with manual frequencies... but then again, if you risk too much heating, the SIM card slot fries (because it's the only place on the Mi3 that expels heat more rapidly), the touch screen begins to take damage and after a while you'll be replacing it, and in the end it will render your phone useless.
Don't get me wrong, i love Krait based Snadragon's, especially the 800 and the 801, but the new 615 and alike, are made with smaller architecture and are much more energy efficient, which means, more battery friendly, and can sustain heavy loads for longer time, because they don't heat up as much, or as faster as their predecessors.
It's not the paper sheet specs that count in the end, it's the day-to-day real performance and behaviour that shows whether a specific SoC is really that good or not.
The PC world learned this some 10 to 15 years ago, when Intel lauched the Pentium 4's with ridiculously high frequencies, everyone was mind-blown to see those speeds right of the shelf, but everyone pretty much realized that those CPU's were pretty much useless in no time, unless you had expensive custom cooling on your setup. Qualcomm made the same mistake.
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IMO SD800 is the better option. Here's a couple of reasons why:
* big.little is relatively new tech and needs more time to mature. It might look good on both performance and battery life fronts on paper maybe, but is there really any one phone in the market currently that beats current SD80X in both performance and battery life? (GSMArena's reviews suggest that Xperia Z3C is the recent gen phone that scores solidly on both counts and it runs on a SD801. One other phone with a better battery is the OnePlus One which also runs on the same chip.). The funniest thing that I find about SD615 is that big.little is supposed to bring two architechtures together as it was demoed using Cortex A-15 & A-7 clusters, but both clusters of SD615 are A-53 (A53 = 64bit A7).
* Both SD80x and SD615 are build on the same 28nm process. The HPM process also supports ultra-low modes which LP doesn't. More here: http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/28nm.htm
* SD80x can give you both performance (on >2Ghz) and battery life (when underclocked) though not at the same time.
* Finally the Adreno 405 on SD615 is less powerful that the Adreno 330 on SD80x.
These are just a few reasons that came to mind. I am sure that I can find many more reasons if I looked around a bit more.

If you flash roms, go for moto G. If not, go for Mi4i

whyzee said:
IMO SD800 is the better option. Here's a couple of reasons why:
* big.little is relatively new tech and needs more time to mature. It might look good on both performance and battery life fronts on paper maybe, but is there really any one phone in the market currently that beats current SD80X in both performance and battery life? (GSMArena's reviews suggest that Xperia Z3C is the recent gen phone that scores solidly on both counts and it runs on a SD801. One other phone with a better battery is the OnePlus One which also runs on the same chip.). The funniest thing that I find about SD615 is that big.little is supposed to bring two architechtures together as it was demoed using Cortex A-15 & A-7 clusters, but both clusters of SD615 are A-53 (A53 = 64bit A7).
* Both SD80x and SD615 are build on the same 28nm process. The HPM process also supports ultra-low modes which LP doesn't. More here: http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/28nm.htm
* SD80x can give you both performance (on >2Ghz) and battery life (when underclocked) though not at the same time.
* Finally the Adreno 405 on SD615 is less powerful that the Adreno 330 on SD80x.
These are just a few reasons that came to mind. I am sure that I can find many more reasons if I looked around a bit more.
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Sorry about the architecture comparison, i had the idea that the newer 615's and alike were not 28nm.
Still, does the 615 heat up as much, or faster than the 800 on the Mi3? I'd like to know more about that, because what i was saying was, the 800's are more powerful, but they heat up fast, so in some heavy tasks, they get capped pretty fast...
So unless you put it in "performance", the CPU and GPU will be put on lower freqs in just a few minutes of gaming for example...

JBolho said:
Sorry about the architecture comparison, i had the idea that the newer 615's and alike were not 28nm.
Still, does the 615 heat up as much, or faster than the 800 on the Mi3? I'd like to know more about that, because what i was saying was, the 800's are more powerful, but they heat up fast, so in some heavy tasks, they get capped pretty fast...
So unless you put it in "performance", the CPU and GPU will be put on lower freqs in just a few minutes of gaming for example...
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No probs. Here's a cpu frequency graph of Mi3 on MIUIv6 running at 100% load for 5 minutes.
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You can see that throttling is not as bad as earliest SD800 in Nexus 5 and Note 3. This is because the 8274AB is actually the 3g version of 8974AB v3 a.k.a. SD801. More info here and here.
Bonus: Mi4i also suffers from overheating back. Video here

If anyone is wondering, I did get the Mi3 and it totally rocks!