I just want to know if it makes sense to buy this device in 2015? I always buy midrangers and don't like shelling out more money. So, what are your thoughts on this? With Lollipop supporting 64-bit does waiting for Moto G 2015 makes sense?
I think yes . It' s very fast and good
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With Lollipop supporting 64-bit do you think I should wait for Moto G 2015?
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With Lollipop supporting 64-bit do you think I should wait for Moto G 2015?
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I have a Mi3 and i'm very glad with it, bought it in February.
But if it was now, i'd probably go to the Mi4i, It comes with MIUI V6 based on Android L and it's a Snapdragon 615 (64bit)
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I have a Mi3 and i'm very glad with it, bought it in February.
But if it was now, i'd probably go to the Mi4i, It comes with MIUI V6 based on Android L and it's a Snapdragon 615 (64bit)
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Right. But SD800 >> SD615.
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Right. But SD800 >> SD615.
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The 800's CPU, on paper and benchmarks, yes. (Antutu on my Mi3, running latest beta MIUI V6 is on the 43k mark)
The GPU is not that different on actual performance, but the 615 is much more energy efficient.
The 800 (as well as the 801 and the 805), are beasts but warm up pretty quickly and Qualcomm's MP-Decision hotplug does not take very long to cap the CPU to half the speed, because the SoC goes very near the 60ºC mark in no time under heavy load.
If you read the news, that's why the 810 is a flop, they pushed the Krait architecture beyond what it can do, and they turned a mobile SoC into an instant frying pan.
Of course, you can always ditch MIUI, go to a Custom Rom along with some custom kernel, ditch MP-decision too, and go with manual frequencies... but then again, if you risk too much heating, the SIM card slot fries (because it's the only place on the Mi3 that expels heat more rapidly), the touch screen begins to take damage and after a while you'll be replacing it, and in the end it will render your phone useless.
Don't get me wrong, i love Krait based Snadragon's, especially the 800 and the 801, but the new 615 and alike, are made with smaller architecture and are much more energy efficient, which means, more battery friendly, and can sustain heavy loads for longer time, because they don't heat up as much, or as faster as their predecessors.
It's not the paper sheet specs that count in the end, it's the day-to-day real performance and behaviour that shows whether a specific SoC is really that good or not.
The PC world learned this some 10 to 15 years ago, when Intel lauched the Pentium 4's with ridiculously high frequencies, everyone was mind-blown to see those speeds right of the shelf, but everyone pretty much realized that those CPU's were pretty much useless in no time, unless you had expensive custom cooling on your setup. Qualcomm made the same mistake.
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The 800's CPU, on paper and benchmarks, yes. (Antutu on my Mi3, running latest beta MIUI V6 is on the 43k mark)
The GPU is not that different on actual performance, but the 615 is much more energy efficient.
The 800 (as well as the 801 and the 805), are beasts but warm up pretty quickly and Qualcomm's MP-Decision hotplug does not take very long to cap the CPU to half the speed, because the SoC goes very near the 60ºC mark in no time under heavy load.
If you read the news, that's why the 810 is a flop, they pushed the Krait architecture beyond what it can do, and they turned a mobile SoC into an instant frying pan.
Of course, you can always ditch MIUI, go to a Custom Rom along with some custom kernel, ditch MP-decision too, and go with manual frequencies... but then again, if you risk too much heating, the SIM card slot fries (because it's the only place on the Mi3 that expels heat more rapidly), the touch screen begins to take damage and after a while you'll be replacing it, and in the end it will render your phone useless.
Don't get me wrong, i love Krait based Snadragon's, especially the 800 and the 801, but the new 615 and alike, are made with smaller architecture and are much more energy efficient, which means, more battery friendly, and can sustain heavy loads for longer time, because they don't heat up as much, or as faster as their predecessors.
It's not the paper sheet specs that count in the end, it's the day-to-day real performance and behaviour that shows whether a specific SoC is really that good or not.
The PC world learned this some 10 to 15 years ago, when Intel lauched the Pentium 4's with ridiculously high frequencies, everyone was mind-blown to see those speeds right of the shelf, but everyone pretty much realized that those CPU's were pretty much useless in no time, unless you had expensive custom cooling on your setup. Qualcomm made the same mistake.
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IMO SD800 is the better option. Here's a couple of reasons why:
* big.little is relatively new tech and needs more time to mature. It might look good on both performance and battery life fronts on paper maybe, but is there really any one phone in the market currently that beats current SD80X in both performance and battery life? (GSMArena's reviews suggest that Xperia Z3C is the recent gen phone that scores solidly on both counts and it runs on a SD801. One other phone with a better battery is the OnePlus One which also runs on the same chip.). The funniest thing that I find about SD615 is that big.little is supposed to bring two architechtures together as it was demoed using Cortex A-15 & A-7 clusters, but both clusters of SD615 are A-53 (A53 = 64bit A7).
* Both SD80x and SD615 are build on the same 28nm process. The HPM process also supports ultra-low modes which LP doesn't. More here: http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/28nm.htm
* SD80x can give you both performance (on >2Ghz) and battery life (when underclocked) though not at the same time.
* Finally the Adreno 405 on SD615 is less powerful that the Adreno 330 on SD80x.
These are just a few reasons that came to mind. I am sure that I can find many more reasons if I looked around a bit more.
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IMO SD800 is the better option. Here's a couple of reasons why:
* big.little is relatively new tech and needs more time to mature. It might look good on both performance and battery life fronts on paper maybe, but is there really any one phone in the market currently that beats current SD80X in both performance and battery life? (GSMArena's reviews suggest that Xperia Z3C is the recent gen phone that scores solidly on both counts and it runs on a SD801. One other phone with a better battery is the OnePlus One which also runs on the same chip.). The funniest thing that I find about SD615 is that big.little is supposed to bring two architechtures together as it was demoed using Cortex A-15 & A-7 clusters, but both clusters of SD615 are A-53 (A53 = 64bit A7).
* Both SD80x and SD615 are build on the same 28nm process. The HPM process also supports ultra-low modes which LP doesn't. More here: http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/28nm.htm
* SD80x can give you both performance (on >2Ghz) and battery life (when underclocked) though not at the same time.
* Finally the Adreno 405 on SD615 is less powerful that the Adreno 330 on SD80x.
These are just a few reasons that came to mind. I am sure that I can find many more reasons if I looked around a bit more.
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Sorry about the architecture comparison, i had the idea that the newer 615's and alike were not 28nm.
Still, does the 615 heat up as much, or faster than the 800 on the Mi3? I'd like to know more about that, because what i was saying was, the 800's are more powerful, but they heat up fast, so in some heavy tasks, they get capped pretty fast...
So unless you put it in "performance", the CPU and GPU will be put on lower freqs in just a few minutes of gaming for example...
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Sorry about the architecture comparison, i had the idea that the newer 615's and alike were not 28nm.
Still, does the 615 heat up as much, or faster than the 800 on the Mi3? I'd like to know more about that, because what i was saying was, the 800's are more powerful, but they heat up fast, so in some heavy tasks, they get capped pretty fast...
So unless you put it in "performance", the CPU and GPU will be put on lower freqs in just a few minutes of gaming for example...
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No probs. Here's a cpu frequency graph of Mi3 on MIUIv6 running at 100% load for 5 minutes.
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You can see that throttling is not as bad as earliest SD800 in Nexus 5 and Note 3. This is because the 8274AB is actually the 3g version of 8974AB v3 a.k.a. SD801. More info here and here.
Bonus: Mi4i also suffers from overheating back. Video here
If anyone is wondering, I did get the Mi3 and it totally rocks!
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http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/18/korean-samsung-galaxy-s5-has-qhd-snapdragon-805
Only for Korean market.
Oh Dear.... soon to be an influx of Samsung haters, saying the usual things like Samsung can go to hell, Samsung betrayed us ect ect ect.
Me i will continue to enjoy my bog standard S5, until i decide next year what to replace it with.
Too bad it's a korean exclusive for now
I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...
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I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...
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Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?
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So?? I don't get your logic.
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Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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There's been quite a bit of discussion in the M8 comparison thread about the impact of QHD on the LG G3. Cliff notes:
- Performance on S-801 took a pretty big hit
- Battery life took a hit
- Display contrast, black levels, and reflectivity all took hits
S-805 isn't a minor upgrade. It and Adreno 440 should allow QHD to perform as well and most likely better than S-801/1080P. So battery life and the quality of Samsung's QHD display are questions left to answer. The M8 thread also has discussion on the value of going from 1080P to QHD which is really pretty limited.
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Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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Performance isn't 'canceled out' since the 805 can handle Ultra HD (4K) screens. The following scteenshot is from Qualcomm's site which summarizes the specs of both the 801 and 805. Snapdragon 805 breakdown
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However, QHD content is currently limited to whatever bloat comes pre-installed from Samsung and wallpapers you can find online . As a result, people can't yet take full advantage of of that high res screen until app developers update their apps and there are very little YouTube videos above 1080p.
3GB RAM vs 2GB in the S5.
Great Samsung. Great.
That phone is a beast. But so is the regular galaxy S5. I don't think ppl should be upset really, its business. If you enjoy your phone then just enjoy it.
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There will be little or no QHD (2K) native content. Commercial content will be 1080p or UHD (4K). That means it'll be up and down scaled which impacts image quality. QHD is a marketing ploy of questionable value. Lots of reasons supporting this in the M8 comparison thread.
This is indeed a good read regarding Snapdragon 805's cpu and gpu power.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8035/qualcomm-snapdragon-805-performance-preview
From there I got couple important points:
The 805 can handle a QuadHD resolution device at the same frame rate and with same performance that an 801 can drive a 1080p device.
It is said to use 20% less power and provide 40% more performance compared to an 800 SoC
The 805 has small (comparatively) cpu boost and significant gpu and video engines boost.
The GPU tests were there. It nailed pretty much everything.
The 805 has HEVC HW decoder, but no HEVC HW Acceleration until the 810 SoC comes out in H1 2015.
I personally did not know what HEVC was. It is actually H.265 codec that provides magnificent video output at much lower bitrate than ax264/h.264 encoded video.
I curiously downloaded Big Buck Bunny 1080p encoded with HEVC that sized only 130 MB. The h.264/x264 encoded video was available at the Big Buck Bunny's official website to download which was roughly 700 MB. The 130 MB file indeed provided great output compared to its regular 700MB variant!
The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.
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The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.
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Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
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Yeah alot of times, many apps have to reload when multitasking, it´s clearly not as good at multitasking as the note3 for instance.
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Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
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So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-600<>1080p/S-800<>QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.
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So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-6001080p/S-800QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.
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Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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Same here. And it's a Korea exclusive, I don't know why people are whining.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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That´s because the phone hibernates apps before it ever reaches full RAM usage. More RAM = more open apps which allows for faster multitasking. You´d think this was basic knowledge by now.
I´m sure you all have switched to an open app only to have it reload like it was first opened.
Coming from an iPhone with 1GB of ram I am overly aware of this issue.
And no I do not want the new S5, I just wish Samsung had put 3gb in the S5 in the first place, like they did in the note3.
Hi all,
So I got a question related to MI3W, the cooling system of it, and mainly:
Is it normal that while I'm doing basic stuff like internet browsing, using Tapatalk, Skype, whatever, the phone temperature is usually around 45-60°C? I think that's waaaay too much. Also I can feel the back and front of the phone(display) heating a lot. One thing I would like to say is that it's not dependent on any ROM or kernel, I'm facing this issue even in MIUI.
Now, this is not such a problem, but, the real problem appears when it comes to games or performance demanding apps. To get higher framerate or performance, I switch to High Performance mode (performance governor). But then, the SoC temperature rises to 90°C and I can't even touch the display so I won't burn myself.
Now, this sometimes happens even in idle mode, even though it's not this high temperature, but still it's about 60-70°C.
It could get pretty unpleasant if I received a call and had to put the burning phone on my face.
So I'm wondering if there's anything I can do with this issue and if anyone else has it, and if this is eventually an issue of the whole MI3 model.
Last thing, no other phone with S800 has this issue, I saw Xperia Z1 mini and Nexus 5 and none of them had such a crazy temperatures, I know this version of S800 is the one with overclocked GPU but still, it's not that much of difference and I don't think it receives any right to heat as much as it does to me.
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These apps won't tell you actual CPU temperature. The only place where you can find right one is at CPU-Z - Sensors - CPU Temperature
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These apps won't tell you actual CPU temperature. The only place where you can find right one is at CPU-Z - Sensors - CPU Temperature
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This app is actually accurate, CPU-Z reports the same temperatures, it just shows more sensors so I thought it would be better to just show a single temperature..
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TofikLupus said:
This app is actually accurate, CPU-Z reports the same temperatures, it just shows more sensors so I thought it would be better to just show a single temperature..
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Nope I'm talking about that single one shown in Sensors
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Nope I'm talking about that single one shown in Sensors
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Not sure what the single one is, but i'm sure it's not the SoC temperature. CPU-Z of my friend who owns Xperia Z1 mini was showing 30-35°C in the tab with many sensors. Even after calculating Pi to 10,000,000 decimal places it didn't go above 40°C.. and his calculation time was even higher than mine. I found out that the calculation time is dependent on the SoC temperature, if it's overheating then the performance is lower. So I can't try it more times because it usually rises to 60-70°C.
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Not sure what the single one is, but i'm sure it's not the SoC temperature. CPU-Z of my friend who owns Xperia Z1 mini was showing 30-35°C in the tab with many sensors. Even after calculating Pi to 10,000,000 decimal places it didn't go above 40°C.. and his calculation time was even higher than mine. I found out that the calculation time is dependent on the SoC temperature, if it's overheating then the performance is lower. So I can't try it more times because it usually rises to 60-70°C.
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There, under sensors 31.6 degree. Not talking about any of those thermal temperatures
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There, under sensors 31.6 degree. Not talking about any of those thermal temperatures
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But what are the other temperatures then? And why my phone gets burning hot? This doesn't make sense at all.
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But what are the other temperatures then? And why my phone gets burning hot? This doesn't make sense at all.
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I don't know but I do know the one I mentioned is the actual one.
Ans my phone too gets burning hot on gaming and stuff. It can't be helped, the story of MI phones.
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I don't know but I do know the one I mentioned is the actual one.
Ans my phone too gets burning hot on gaming and stuff. It can't be helped, the story of MI phones.
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Okay, thanks for letting me know it's not an issue just for me but in general. I like this phone but I'm a bit dissapointed by this not well thought off cooling. I'm sometimes afraid the heat would destroy the LCD at one point because sometimes it's really intensive. Mostly after flashing an update for a ROM and upon the "Optimizing apps" screen.
One strange thing that I don't get though, is why nobody else is complaining about it, nor any reviews of the phone are mentioning this excessive heating.
I've been thinking about this for some while now.
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Don't use while charging and stay with balance power profile. These are mainstream device so don't push these to limits very often (these are not dedicated gaming device) and limited passive cooling for SOC. Otherwise you will inviting a premature component failure. Device temperature is also closely associated with ambient temp so if your ambient is close to 24is C the device will sustain performance bit better.
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Don't use while charging and stay with balance power profile. These are mainstream device so don't push these to limits very often (these are not dedicated gaming device) and limited passive cooling for SOC. Otherwise you will inviting a premature component failure. Device temperature is also closely associated with ambient temp so if your ambient is close to 24is C the device will sustain performance bit better.
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The problem is I can't use it while charging anyway, because the phone otherwise discharges faster than charges.
Also mostly I use balanced performance mode, since I know it starts to heat a lot and it gives me way too much performance for what i need most of the time. But when it's time for games, I need to use high performance mode otherwise the game isn't running so smooth. And in case of Piano Tiles, I experience unpleasant random stuttering of the game, which pretty much makes it unplayable. And that's not even any resource demaning game. So I'm forced to switch to HiPerf. mode anyway But it's really not that I'm overloading the phone and having it as a rendering station
About Mi3 being mainstream: I don't believe it's mainstream for its initial price, even though it was cheaper than other manufacturer's devices. Anyway, I will be careful with it. Still I don't get, if this is a mainstream device, why did Xiaomi use S800 SoC? It was a flagship when it was released 2 years ago. To me it looks like a fail from this point of view, trying to make a mainstream device(not so much dedicated to cooling) using high end components(which in fact need a better cooling).
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Unfortunately MIUI has bad thermal tweaks...blah blah..
So i suggest you to lower the screen resolution from FHD to HD (Not much of difference) and lower the lcd density. By this u will see hell lot of difference (I tested this method myself).
** Secondly try using a good ROM with Better cpu and thermal tweaks like if u want MIUI taste then try "SMIUI"
Or use Mettallium OS (I use this myself)
*** (OPTIONAL) u can flash some .zips that contain some tweaks and many improvement (u can find them on XDA easily)
like Lspeed etc.
I was facing the overheating issues but lowering down the resolution does the magic.
U can find resolution guide in MI3 GENERAL.
have a gr8 day
Yes it does heats up during installing roms (optimizing apps). I cool it off by air forced cooling (holding device in front of cooler during installation else battery discharges by 20 percent).
Normal heating during gaming, but stays cool in daily use... on cm 12.1 stock kernel
If you are using miui. Try God's Kernel R3 or R4. And report.
That seems to be the problem of Snapdragon 800.
TofikLupus said:
Hi all,
So I got a question related to MI3W, the cooling system of it, and mainly:
Is it normal that while I'm doing basic stuff like internet browsing, using Tapatalk, Skype, whatever, the phone temperature is usually around 45-60°C? I think that's waaaay too much. Also I can feel the back and front of the phone(display) heating a lot. One thing I would like to say is that it's not dependent on any ROM or kernel, I'm facing this issue even in MIUI.
Now, this is not such a problem, but, the real problem appears when it comes to games or performance demanding apps. To get higher framerate or performance, I switch to High Performance mode (performance governor). But then, the SoC temperature rises to 90°C and I can't even touch the display so I won't burn myself.
Now, this sometimes happens even in idle mode, even though it's not this high temperature, but still it's about 60-70°C.
It could get pretty unpleasant if I received a call and had to put the burning phone on my face.
So I'm wondering if there's anything I can do with this issue and if anyone else has it, and if this is eventually an issue of the whole MI3 model.
Last thing, no other phone with S800 has this issue, I saw Xperia Z1 mini and Nexus 5 and none of them had such a crazy temperatures, I know this version of S800 is the one with overclocked GPU but still, it's not that much of difference and I don't think it receives any right to heat as much as it does to me.
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Thank you for your feedback and hopefully this gets solved.
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Okay, so a little update - Recently I reached an incredible temperature of 107°C on the CPU chip!!! And then thermally shut down. I think this isn't fun anymore. I don't know if i have some defective piece or if it's normal for all MI3's but I'm starting to think about returning the phone or just claiming a replacement. Both the front and back of the phone gets hot very soon, just by watching some youtube vids or browsing internet...or JUST having the phone simply unlocked and idling. The temperatures don't go under 40°C. I think that this is the reason why MI3 was cheaper than other phones with the same SoC.
In the worst case, I will revert the partition table back to stock, install latest MIUI 7 on it and send it to a service center.
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TofikLupus said:
Okay, so a little update - Recently I reached an incredible temperature of 107°C on the CPU chip!!! And then thermally shut down. I think this isn't fun anymore. I don't know if i have some defective piece or if it's normal for all MI3's but I'm starting to think about returning the phone or just claiming a replacement. Both the front and back of the phone gets hot very soon, just by watching some youtube vids or browsing internet...or JUST having the phone simply unlocked and idling. The temperatures don't go under 40°C. I think that this is the reason why MI3 was cheaper than other phones with the same SoC.
In the worst case, I will revert the partition table back to stock, install latest MIUI 7 on it and send it to a service center.
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Which rom are you using? And kernel?
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Which rom are you using? And kernel?
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The superhigh temperatures were in recovery and before the phone boots up. I was reaching 80-90°C in any ROM, including MIUI(while gaming) and 60-70°C at normal use. Sadly, no ROM affects the temperature, it's always high. I was using all stock kernels, until yesterday, when I flashed Moshi stock kernel, expecting lower temperatures. Well, they were lower, but still 60°C with JUST watching youtube videos, that's a bit too much.
I think Xiaomi just didn't think off the cooling well, because Nexus 5 and Galaxy S5 don't suffer from so high temperatures, 60°C at most while gaming, and people at forums complain about getting 50°C while i'm glad to have 45°C in idle state. And I'm not talking about the surface temperature, I'm talking about the on-chip temperature, which to me is more important.
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GUYS - What if https://youtu.be/hZDNpp--E0Y was applied to MI3? Maybe my device is just poorly greased and the heat doesn't transfer to the aluminium plate effectively. That could be a solution, if it's possible, which I believe it is, because MI3 has the same aluminium plate on the back of the LCD as a heatsink(i believe it is aluminium).
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TofikLupus said:
GUYS - What if https://youtu.be/hZDNpp--E0Y was applied to MI3? Maybe my device is just poorly greased and the heat doesn't transfer to the aluminium plate effectively. That could be a solution, if it's possible, which I believe it is, because MI3 has the same aluminium plate on the back of the LCD as a heatsink(i believe it is aluminium).
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I understand your problem. May be yours is a hardware problem. But try flashing God's kernel R3 or R4
I have been working far too long on this phone to make it perform as all other Snapdragon 821 phones perform.
I have zero understanding as to why this thing is so much slower.
Check the Antutu Benchmark results to see what I mean, most Snapdragon 821 phones are in the top 10 devices yet the Xiaomi Mi Mix is below the 20 mark and even beaten by a few Snapdragon 820 phones.
I can tell the difference greatly with both the OnePlus 3T and the Xiaomi Mi Mix right beside each other playing the same game.
Is there any way we can somehow improve the performance on this device.
I have tried running the CPU and GPU in performance mode , disabling the Thermal throttling with Kernal Auditor , underclocking to match the OnePlus 3T's lower clock speed. The CPU temp never goes above 38 celcius so it can't be throttling.
Wiped reformatted , tried Lineage , Epic ROM , Stock , Resurrection ROM and they all still underperform and as far as I know these are all odexed.
Please if anyone has any ideas let me know I'll try anything.
you must be high, it is on par with my galaxy s8
try a custom rom, like resurrection, and u will have a op3t performance.
i feel it pretty weird tho, for example, i just have the Mi5 (not s) and 32GB (LPDDR3), and i score 149-150K on Antutu, meanwhile the 64GB+ (LPDDR4) users score like 160-165K
and i saw a Mi5S scoring near 170K too, using MIUI tho and not custom roms, meanwhile on the normal Mi5 i score a lot more in Custom than in MIUI
Anyways don't take much in mind Antutu, it is very variable
the weird thing here is, that is going slow compared to the 3T, when it shouldn't
zabihjan said:
you must be high, it is on par with my galaxy s8
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The device runs just fine when doing day to day tasks but when trying to play CPU intensive emulators it is much slower than the OnePlus 3.
This should not be expected as the specs are the same.
I am using the same version of the emulator on both devices with the exact same settings and the OnePlus 3 is always 10% to 20% faster on every game.
That adds up almost exactly to the Antutu score difference.
Tiago A said:
try a custom rom, like resurrection, and u will have a op3t performance.
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I have tried Lineage , Stock , Epic and Resurrection all with very minimal gains.
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i feel it pretty weird tho, for example, i just have the Mi5 (not s) and 32GB (LPDDR3), and i score 149-150K on Antutu, meanwhile the 64GB+ (LPDDR4) users score like 160-165K
and i saw a Mi5S scoring near 170K too, using MIUI tho and not custom roms, meanwhile on the normal Mi5 i score a lot more in Custom than in MIUI
Anyways don't take much in mind Antutu, it is very variable
the weird thing here is, that is going slow compared to the 3T, when it shouldn't
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I looked into the details of the Antutu scores and the failing scores are mainly attributed the 3D processing sections, if it's not hardware then it must be software right.
There's no reason for this.
The only thing I haven't tried is a custom CPU governor , software driver manipulation , removing Qualcomm MP decision.
If you have any ideas or have done any work on this let me know, there is basically no information on the internet on why a soc would perform so poorly unless it was due to poor drivers or thermal throttling.
It might be cause MIUI's temperature control，you can try to delete it.
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I think 3Dmark will be better,maybe.
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It might be cause MIUI's temperature control，you can try to delete it.
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I too think so. When i ran Antutu(device was cool a bit); it wasnt getting full throttle because of thermal throttling although i disable it. What do you mean by 'try to delete it' though?
There is no custom kernel support on this device, somehow, nobody(devs i mean) interested in miui-kernel. The device has really bad kernel management, especially while getting charged from low percentages; feels the death. Perhaps shut down whole the cores smh.
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I think people should focus less on synthetic benchmarks and more on actual user experience... Just my two cents. The phone runs perfectly well, never encountered any sort of slowness or performance issues.
I've tried different ROMs (xiaomi.eu, epic, RR official and unofficial).
With stock MIUI (Android 6.0 based) antutu score: 145000
With stock MIUI (Android 7.0 based), RR and Epic antutu score: 160000 and over
My personal advice: don't worry too much for benchmark score, it doesn't represent the real potential of the smartphone.
I can't see differences in speed with all the ROMs. The Mi Mix works great in every condition.
My point wasn't getting a bad antutu score, the point was 'thermal throttling' trouble when device getting forced to slow down easily. Even performance governor gets no fuğk. Im checking real-time cpu and battery temperatures btw, no higher temps in case. There is no big deal tho, just getting some UI glitches in some apps makes me confused.
And the other thing while charging etc, whatever. I god dam like this device and Miui.
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There are better benchmarks than antutu... Mi mix goes.... FAST.(with little tweak)
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I too think so. When i ran Antutu(device was cool a bit); it wasnt getting full throttle because of thermal throttling although i disable it. What do you mean by 'try to delete it' though?
There is no custom kernel support on this device, somehow, nobody(devs i mean) interested in miui-kernel. The device has really bad kernel management, especially while getting charged from low percentages; feels the death. Perhaps shut down whole the cores smh.
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There is a file named thermal-engine-8996.conf in MIUI system, it can keep lower temperature but you will also have lower performance，you can google how to delete it.my English is very poor but i still wish it can help you
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There is a file named thermal-engine-8996.conf in MIUI system, it can keep lower temperature but you will also have lower performance，you can google how to delete it.my English is very poor but i still wish it can help you
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Thank you, I will take care of it. [emoji38]
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Thermal-ngine-8996.conf can be edited but mine is unreadable.. notepad++ is not enough... any clue... there is some interesting tweaks to fast charge during longer period and unlock a bit CPU/GPU control... google and xda is your friend but 0 stuff about my unreadable *.conf file...
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lesscro said:
Thermal-ngine-8996.conf can be edited but mine is unreadable.. notepad++ is not enough... any clue... there is some interesting tweaks to fast charge during longer period and unlock a bit CPU/GPU control... google and xda is your friend but 0 stuff about my unreadable *.conf file...
damn, i'm hot...
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you phone must be rooted or you can't change this file.
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you phone must be rooted or you can't change this file.
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Rooted... and -rw-r--r then standard... then i suppose it seems harcoded by MIUI...
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Rooted... and -rw-r--r then standard... then i suppose it seems harcoded by MIUI...
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I was able to get this removed using ES File explorer
I simply cut it from it's current location and moved it to root, the changes have been quite noticable, runs much better without it and it never gets too hot. Low battery impact here.
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I was able to get this removed using ES File explorer
I simply cut it from it's current location and moved it to root, the changes have been quite noticable, runs much better without it and it never gets too hot. Low battery impact here.
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My Goal isn't to remove it but to edit it... anyway, i will make ty without...
I saw some Youtube clips about N9 and want more people confirm about this problem: hot and hotter than S9+
1. About 46° C @4:20 this video:
https://youtu.be/RbQ2xlWE8Tc
2. Compare to S9+, Note9 also hotter @2:25 this video
https://youtu.be/DFEi8gKMqIM
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If this is true I'm outta here :laugh: I thought the new cooling system should be way more effective??
t0m2k said:
If this is true I'm outta here [emoji23] I thought the new cooling system should be way more effective??
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I know Exynos 9810 has heat/battery problem so understand why Samsung made a better cooling system on Note9. But if this is true I skip Note9 too. Heat problem also make battery life shorter than expected
I am using NOTE 9, no big heating issues so far. Even with faster charging, it stays cooler than iphone 8 plus which i own too.
illetyus said:
I am using NOTE 9, no big heating issues so far. Even with faster charging, it stays cooler than iphone 8 plus which i own too.
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Good news, good confirmation. Could you test some heavy games or some 3D benchmark to confirm heating free?
Engadget on this, at 07:46,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJeF0tWQEro&t=466
Zanr Zij said:
I saw some Youtube clips about N9 and want more people confirm about this problem: hot and hotter than S9+
1. About 46° C @4:20 this video:
https://youtu.be/RbQ2xlWE8Tc
2. Compare to S9+, Note9 also hotter @2:25 this video
https://youtu.be/DFEi8gKMqIM
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Here's a good read on the Snapdragon 845 test device:
https://www.xda-developers.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-845-hands-on-benchmarks-first-impressions/
An excerpt regarding the temperature when pushed to the limits:
..................We also ran the Manhattan ES 3.1 Endurance / Battery Life test on the Snapdragon 845, a 30-minute test that pushes the thermal envelope of whatever device it’s run on (with the Snapdragon 845 in particular, we saw an absurd peak surface temperature of 47°C | 117°F), and despite the unit becoming unbearably hot, the framerate only dropped around 16%, and stabilized higher near the end of the test. This is certainly not bad considering that we normally make sure to start this test at a cool 28°C | 82.4°F, a luxury we couldn’t afford in a (literally) heated benchmarking session. We’ve provided some graphs comparing the throttling across the 821 and 835, but keep in mind those results were obtained in much more controlled testing environments — I wouldn’t draw strong conclusions from these specific results............................
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Good news, good confirmation. Could you test some heavy games or some 3D benchmark to confirm heating free?
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I usually dont play games but i can benchmark. Can you name an app?
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Engadget on this, at 07:46,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJeF0tWQEro&t=466
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Tks but not so much more detail
illetyus said:
I usually dont play games but i can benchmark. Can you name an app?
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Very popular: Antutu and 3D Mark on Play Store
KOLIOSIS said:
Here's a good read on the Snapdragon 845 test device:
https://www.xda-developers.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-845-hands-on-benchmarks-first-impressions/
An excerpt regarding the temperature when pushed to the limits:
..................We also ran the Manhattan ES 3.1 Endurance / Battery Life test on the Snapdragon 845, a 30-minute test that pushes the thermal envelope of whatever device it’s run on (with the Snapdragon 845 in particular, we saw an absurd peak surface temperature of 47°C | 117°F), and despite the unit becoming unbearably hot, the framerate only dropped around 16%, and stabilized higher near the end of the test. This is certainly not bad considering that we normally make sure to start this test at a cool 28°C | 82.4°F, a luxury we couldn’t afford in a (literally) heated benchmarking session. We’ve provided some graphs comparing the throttling across the 821 and 835, but keep in mind those results were obtained in much more controlled testing environments — I wouldn’t draw strong conclusions from these specific results............................
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Seem SD845 also has this problem. Seem Samsung just made bigger heatpipe on PR purpose. Exynos Soc has big problem on heating/voltage/battery effeciency problem ( Anandtech article )
Edit : your link not Note9 article, so we need more test/review
Anandtech Article about Exynos 9810
https://www.anandtech.com/tag/exynos-9810
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Tks but not so much more detail
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Yeah, more details might show up slowly as few reviewers seem to be talking about the "heating". :good:
Hello Guys. Here i did some tests. I did ANTUTU, STRESS TEST and 3D MARK
It says "51 Celcius" there but definetely not 51 degrees, doesnt feel 51 degrees. It then changed to 46 celcius immidiately. In stress test, it heats. Every phone heats.
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Hello Guys. Here i did some tests. I did ANTUTU, STRESS TEST and 3D MARK
It says "51 Celcius" there but definetely not 51 degrees, doesnt feel 51 degrees. It then changed to 46 celcius immidiately. In stress test, it heats. Every phone heats.
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Tks for your test. Seem better than expected. 51°C is on die temp which is normal with every Soc/CPU.
Battery temp not so high during the test and drop fast. How about your enviroment temp? With fan/AC or not?
Zanr Zij said:
Tks for your test. Seem better than expected. 51°C is on die temp which is normal with every Soc/CPU.
Battery temp not so high during the test and drop fast. How about your enviroment temp? With fan/AC or not?
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I did the test outside at about 30 celcius. I live in Turkey.
Seems normal on this video
https://youtu.be/kNnUMoiuDZQ
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Seems normal on this video
https://youtu.be/kNnUMoiuDZQ
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This is not a clear test. It cannot be about 37°C with high Soc usage game
y'all do realize that no cooling system is going to keep a device from getting hot right? All it does is spread the heat area in hopes of keeping the actual chip from overheating by increasing the radiative/coolable surface area.. You put a freaking supercomputer in your pocket. It's GOING TO GET HOT WHEN YOU PUSH IT!
I have been reading around and it seems that the exynos version of the S9+ is plagued with heating problems that yield 20% less battery life then the snapdragon. There are also some tests that show exynos s8+ outlastning the exynos s9+ under same use conditions.
Interested to know if the exynos note9 has the same issue.
Main reasons I am looking to upgrade note8 to note9 is bigger battery (and storage as i use 2 sims). I would be very disappointed if due to extra heat from the 9810 the note 9 would yield similar battery life on the note8.
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https://www.mediafire.com/file/k964wlh4c4qz5ol/LAG_TERMINATOR™.json ***SEE THE ABOVE YOUTUBE VIDEO AND APPLY THE SAME SETTINGS AND LATTER YOU WILL ENJOY THIS.[/COLOR][/U]
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Hi! touching my phone and having common sense let me know that the Exynos GPU and the low power cores/high power cores have a little nonsense regarding to STOCK thermal and CPU/GPU freq/usage, so, i change between low power cores to high power cores at 50% it's minimum frequences and let the system to use ONLY the high power cores, heavy underclocked, since our phone have thermal copper plate to avoid high temperatures there should be no problem.
But the MORE INTERESTING part of it, it's that this Exynos allows to underclock a LOT among other things, except the GPU which doesn't go really well with underclocking so, when i do this mod, i was able to boost the overall system performance (daily use) like our S7 Exynos is like two or three generations after it regarding to performance! While turning on only hardcore CPU's and not the EIGHT OF THEM the phone not only runs wayyy better, but also runs VERY stable and cold, even better than stock.
Regarding battery life, the overall pack which you only have to import through "Morotweaks" you not only have a lot more benefits regarding low power consumption, but, when you use the powerfull cores ONLY at higher frequency, the Exynos is able to deep sleep more often than before... Regarding additional benefits into the battery life/heat area.
Any chance to have this profile running on thunderstorm kernel?
Thank you for sharing your work!
Thanks! Testing!
What about Reflux Kernel?
Therazorsedge said:
Hi! touching my phone and having common sense let me know that the Exynos GPU and the low power cores/high power cores have a little nonsense regarding to STOCK thermal and CPU/GPU freq/usage, so, i change between low power cores to high power cores at 50% it's minimum frequences and let the system to use ONLY the high power cores, heavy underclocked, since our phone have thermal copper plate to avoid high temperatures there should be no problem.
But the MORE INTERESTING part of it, it's that this Exynos allows to underclock a LOT among other things, except the GPU which doesn't go really well with underclocking so, when i do this mod, i was able to boost the overall system performance (daily use) like our S7 Exynos is like two or three generations after it regarding to performance! While turning on only hardcore CPU's and not the EIGHT OF THEM the phone not only runs wayyy better, but also runs VERY stable and cold, even better than stock.
Regarding battery life, the overall pack which you only have to import through "Morotweaks" you not only have a lot more benefits regarding low power consumption, but, when you use the powerfull cores ONLY at higher frequency, the Exynos is able to deep sleep more often than before... Regarding additional benefits into the battery life/heat area.
So i upload you the profile, you will need the following:
Morokernel installed
Mtweaks latest
Download the latest LAG_TERMINATOR™ zip
You have to go through the menu and select "profiles" then import the latest "LAG_TERMINATOR™" zip profile of mine.
You will experiment like you have a S10 instead of a S7 and you will be able to save a lot of battery and heat.
I recommend you the rom AOSIP but you can use every Aosp/Tw rom out there, even with other kernel compatible with Mtweaks/Thundertweaks but i recomend only this rom. Enjoy it.
DOWNLOAD NOW THIS AWESOMENESS:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/k964wlh4c4qz5ol/LAG_TERMINATOR™.json
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Note: If you want me to buy some toys/good sweets to my dear cat you can always donate some money to my paypal: [email protected] Thank you, Miau!!!
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my phone is flying now, thank u so much
not compatible with stock kernel, am i right ?
I see minimum CPU clock of big cores is locked to 1664 MHz. So no low clocks = high battery drain....
It's compatible with lineage 16 and MoRoKernel-AllInOne-CSC4-v7.0.1?
danyel980 said:
It's compatible with lineage 16 and MoRoKernel-AllInOne-CSC4-v7.0.1?
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yes
Ubimo said:
I see minimum CPU clock of big cores is locked to 1664 MHz. So no low clocks = high battery drain....
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The magic of this is explained on the first post video. My S7 now feels like a ****ing S10 with better battery
Also try the latest Lineage OS!!! My friend.
You will sabe a lot of heat and battery
Ubimo said:
I see minimum CPU clock of big cores is locked to 1664 MHz. So no low clocks = high battery drain....
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danyel980 said:
It's compatible with lineage 16 and MoRoKernel-AllInOne-CSC4-v7.0.1?
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You can run it in EVERY KERNEL AND EVERY ROM that supports UNDERVOLTING, and you'll THEN EXPERIMENT IF YOU DO IT'S TREMENDOUS INCREASES ON BATTERY LIFE AND POWER like your phone is a galaxy S10 (but with better battery)...
I.m.Tuga said:
Any chance to have this profile running on thunderstorm kernel?
Thank you for sharing your work!
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You are wellcome, you can donate through paypal so i buy new toys to my cat
You can allways in any moment tell us here your FANTASTIC RESULTS with LAG_TERMINATOR™ Profile of mine
Hesperus01 said:
What about Reflux Kernel?
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It should work, you can try and tell us here the difference, if it uses UV you'll be fine. Also your battery speed charge level increases, tell us
Works great, feels very smooth but it feels very hot too! I´ve undervolt -75mw in CPU , -50mw in GPU and -56,25 in MIF-INT-DISP-CAM, what more can i do?
kienzi said:
my phone is flying now, thank u so much
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Well i'm glad to see i'm helping others with this revolutionary arrangement, keep in tune for more updates!
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I see minimum CPU clock of big cores is locked to 1664 MHz. So no low clocks = high battery drain....
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You need to read the full post and try it for yourself to see this incredible and AWESOME RESULTS!!!
JuanMat97 said:
Works great, feels very smooth but it feels very hot too! I´ve undervolt -75mw in CPU , -50mw in GPU and -56,25 in MIF-INT-DISP-CAM, what more can i do?
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You only have to view the first post youtube config video, and make you s7 literally fly colder than before
There seems to be a problem with Mtweaks, so you have to copy the values by hand, pretty easy actually
Also i recommend you try latest lineage 16 for the BEST RESULTS.
Therazorsedge said:
You only have to view the first post youtube config video, and make you s7 literally fly colder than before
There seems to be a problem with Mtweaks, so you have to copy the values by hand, pretty easy actually
Also i recommend you try latest lineage 16 for the BEST RESULTS.
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for best results I think I'll wait next release cuz with bug fixes on camera hal
I installed profile, and manually edit voltages like in the video but my phone heats, on charger even more
Hello! I was excited when I found your creation, but on my hyper rom v3 with Thunderstorm kernel, the most of the values don't seem to be the same as yours (like the video you've posted).
I can relate that my S7 doesn't heat so hard while charging, but it charges slower (which is not a bad thing). Also Spectrum profiles have reduced to 2 profiles, sometimes 3 (if I toggle them fast - balanced, "battery" and Gaming), instead of 4. I tried to record my screen to show you, but I got lots of freezes lasting 5 to 10 seconds . Do I need to move to AOSP in order to get the right tweaks, or could you please rearange values for Thunderstorm kernel?