Xiaomi Mi Mix slower than most Snapdragon 821 phones ? - Xiaomi Mi MIX Questions & Answers

I have been working far too long on this phone to make it perform as all other Snapdragon 821 phones perform.
I have zero understanding as to why this thing is so much slower.
Check the Antutu Benchmark results to see what I mean, most Snapdragon 821 phones are in the top 10 devices yet the Xiaomi Mi Mix is below the 20 mark and even beaten by a few Snapdragon 820 phones.
I can tell the difference greatly with both the OnePlus 3T and the Xiaomi Mi Mix right beside each other playing the same game.
Is there any way we can somehow improve the performance on this device.
I have tried running the CPU and GPU in performance mode , disabling the Thermal throttling with Kernal Auditor , underclocking to match the OnePlus 3T's lower clock speed. The CPU temp never goes above 38 celcius so it can't be throttling.
Wiped reformatted , tried Lineage , Epic ROM , Stock , Resurrection ROM and they all still underperform and as far as I know these are all odexed.
Please if anyone has any ideas let me know I'll try anything.

you must be high, it is on par with my galaxy s8

try a custom rom, like resurrection, and u will have a op3t performance.

i feel it pretty weird tho, for example, i just have the Mi5 (not s) and 32GB (LPDDR3), and i score 149-150K on Antutu, meanwhile the 64GB+ (LPDDR4) users score like 160-165K
and i saw a Mi5S scoring near 170K too, using MIUI tho and not custom roms, meanwhile on the normal Mi5 i score a lot more in Custom than in MIUI
Anyways don't take much in mind Antutu, it is very variable
the weird thing here is, that is going slow compared to the 3T, when it shouldn't

zabihjan said:
you must be high, it is on par with my galaxy s8
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The device runs just fine when doing day to day tasks but when trying to play CPU intensive emulators it is much slower than the OnePlus 3.
This should not be expected as the specs are the same.
I am using the same version of the emulator on both devices with the exact same settings and the OnePlus 3 is always 10% to 20% faster on every game.
That adds up almost exactly to the Antutu score difference.

Tiago A said:
try a custom rom, like resurrection, and u will have a op3t performance.
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I have tried Lineage , Stock , Epic and Resurrection all with very minimal gains.

panchovix said:
i feel it pretty weird tho, for example, i just have the Mi5 (not s) and 32GB (LPDDR3), and i score 149-150K on Antutu, meanwhile the 64GB+ (LPDDR4) users score like 160-165K
and i saw a Mi5S scoring near 170K too, using MIUI tho and not custom roms, meanwhile on the normal Mi5 i score a lot more in Custom than in MIUI
Anyways don't take much in mind Antutu, it is very variable
the weird thing here is, that is going slow compared to the 3T, when it shouldn't
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I looked into the details of the Antutu scores and the failing scores are mainly attributed the 3D processing sections, if it's not hardware then it must be software right.
There's no reason for this.
The only thing I haven't tried is a custom CPU governor , software driver manipulation , removing Qualcomm MP decision.
If you have any ideas or have done any work on this let me know, there is basically no information on the internet on why a soc would perform so poorly unless it was due to poor drivers or thermal throttling.

It might be cause MIUI's temperature control,you can try to delete it.
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I think 3Dmark will be better,maybe.

aauugg said:
It might be cause MIUI's temperature control,you can try to delete it.
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I too think so. When i ran Antutu(device was cool a bit); it wasnt getting full throttle because of thermal throttling although i disable it. What do you mean by 'try to delete it' though?
There is no custom kernel support on this device, somehow, nobody(devs i mean) interested in miui-kernel. The device has really bad kernel management, especially while getting charged from low percentages; feels the death. Perhaps shut down whole the cores smh.
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I think people should focus less on synthetic benchmarks and more on actual user experience... Just my two cents. The phone runs perfectly well, never encountered any sort of slowness or performance issues.

I've tried different ROMs (xiaomi.eu, epic, RR official and unofficial).
With stock MIUI (Android 6.0 based) antutu score: 145000
With stock MIUI (Android 7.0 based), RR and Epic antutu score: 160000 and over
My personal advice: don't worry too much for benchmark score, it doesn't represent the real potential of the smartphone.
I can't see differences in speed with all the ROMs. The Mi Mix works great in every​ condition.

My point wasn't getting a bad antutu score, the point was 'thermal throttling' trouble when device getting forced to slow down easily. Even performance governor gets no fuğk. Im checking real-time cpu and battery temperatures btw, no higher temps in case. There is no big deal tho, just getting some UI glitches in some apps makes me confused.
And the other thing while charging etc, whatever. I god dam like this device and Miui.
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There are better benchmarks than antutu... Mi mix goes.... FAST.(with little tweak)
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I too think so. When i ran Antutu(device was cool a bit); it wasnt getting full throttle because of thermal throttling although i disable it. What do you mean by 'try to delete it' though?
There is no custom kernel support on this device, somehow, nobody(devs i mean) interested in miui-kernel. The device has really bad kernel management, especially while getting charged from low percentages; feels the death. Perhaps shut down whole the cores smh.
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There is a file named thermal-engine-8996.conf in MIUI system, it can keep lower temperature but you will also have lower performance,you can google how to delete it.my English is very poor but i still wish it can help you

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There is a file named thermal-engine-8996.conf in MIUI system, it can keep lower temperature but you will also have lower performance,you can google how to delete it.my English is very poor but i still wish it can help you
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Thank you, I will take care of it. [emoji38]
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Thermal-ngine-8996.conf can be edited but mine is unreadable.. notepad++ is not enough... any clue... there is some interesting tweaks to fast charge during longer period and unlock a bit CPU/GPU control... google and xda is your friend but 0 stuff about my unreadable *.conf file...
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lesscro said:
Thermal-ngine-8996.conf can be edited but mine is unreadable.. notepad++ is not enough... any clue... there is some interesting tweaks to fast charge during longer period and unlock a bit CPU/GPU control... google and xda is your friend but 0 stuff about my unreadable *.conf file...
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you phone must be rooted or you can't change this file.

aauugg said:
you phone must be rooted or you can't change this file.
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Rooted... and -rw-r--r then standard... then i suppose it seems harcoded by MIUI...

lesscro said:
Rooted... and -rw-r--r then standard... then i suppose it seems harcoded by MIUI...
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I was able to get this removed using ES File explorer
I simply cut it from it's current location and moved it to root, the changes have been quite noticable, runs much better without it and it never gets too hot. Low battery impact here.

NGP-1001 said:
I was able to get this removed using ES File explorer
I simply cut it from it's current location and moved it to root, the changes have been quite noticable, runs much better without it and it never gets too hot. Low battery impact here.
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My Goal isn't to remove it but to edit it... anyway, i will make ty without...

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Want higher quadrant scores? Come get some

Hi everyone, i want to share something that most of u dont know...
Quadrant can be manipulated in order to get higher scores. Just download this and share your scores before and after using this:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.doomlord.quadrantbooster
Whit the hack installed and activated you cant get up to 2k+ to your usual score. Thats why i dont trust Quadrant, just Antutu.
Note: This app doesnt increase your device performance, just manipulate the scores.
The app was developed by DoomLord, is a recognized dev, so dont be scared to try. Needs root.
Have a nice day ^^
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Samsung Approves your thread!
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Haha
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Why would someone want to spoof their benchmarks? So that they matter even less than they already do?
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Samsung never cheated, merely took the cap off the HW and let it fly. I do not particularly care about benchmarks, but if I did, I'd like to see the absolute HW maximum, cause that's the whole point.
I do check benchmarks of new SoCs though, to get a rought estimate what they can do.
No. They cheated.
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Samsung never cheated, merely took the cap off the HW and let it fly. I do not particularly care about benchmarks, but if I did, I'd like to see the absolute HW maximum, cause that's the whole point.
I do check benchmarks of new SoCs though, to get a rought estimate what they can do.
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Yes they did, letting the device overclocl itself when a benchmark app is open is cheating because you get scores you normally won't have...
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You are a fu##ing legend
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I'm fairly sure this hack hasn't worked for a long time.. it boosts your I/O scores by putting data in working memory.. would only help if running older hardware
I haven't actually tried it though
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Yes they did, letting the device overclocl itself when a benchmark app is open is cheating because you get scores you normally won't have...
You are a fu##ing legend
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There is no such thing as "normal operation", clocks change all the time so our battery doesn't die by 11AM. Some Sammy apps get access to more performance, others hit nowhere near maximum for efficiency, which is why benchmarking doesn't tell the everyday story. It tells developers how far the HW can go, and the Note 3 shows the SD800 raw capabilities better than say the benchmarks of the Nexus 5.
For everyday performance like Chrome, Flipboard etc., use Chrome, Flipboard etc. for testing.
meangreenie said:
I'm fairly sure this hack hasn't worked for a long time.. it boosts your I/O scores by putting data in working memory.. would only help if running older hardware
I haven't actually tried it though
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Yeah a lot of the reviews on the Play store are saying it actually lowers their overall score
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There is no such thing as "normal operation", clocks change all the time so our battery doesn't die by 11AM. Some Sammy apps get access to more performance, others hit nowhere near maximum for efficiency, which is why benchmarking doesn't tell the everyday story. It tells developers how far the HW can go, and the Note 3 shows the SD800 raw capabilities better than say the benchmarks of the Nexus 5.
For everyday performance like Chrome, Flipboard etc., use Chrome, Flipboard etc. for testing.
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IMO, it's like doping.
The athletes(Samsung's phone) can run fast but without this doping(benchmark booster file of Samsung) they run slower.
There indeed isn't such thing as a 'normal clock', but there is such thing as a maximum clock frequency, pushing this frequency means overclocking.
In some way it isn't cheating because overclocking is a known term.
On the other side it makes it cheating since 'normal' that doesn't know sh#t about overclocking, will have their phone getting overclocked without even knowing it.
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meangreenie said:
I'm fairly sure this hack hasn't worked for a long time.. it boosts your I/O scores by putting data in working memory.. would only help if running older hardware
I haven't actually tried it though
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I can confirm is still working, gonna upload some screenshots later.
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AlderCass said:
Why would someone want to spoof their benchmarks? So that they matter even less than they already do?
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Why would someone run a benchmark? Because they care about the scores.
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ChavitoArg said:
Why would someone run a benchmark? Because they care about the scores.
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To check the performance of their device, and to compare it with others. To check performance differences before and after flashing roms etc. But definitely not so that they can lie about how powerful their device is, when it really isn't.
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Why would someone run a benchmark? Because they care about the scores.
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If they care about the scores, why would they intentionally use an app to make those scores completely inaccurate?
AlderCass said:
If they care about the scores, why would they intentionally use an app to make those scores completely inaccurate?
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Dont take me wrong.
There is people that care about the score just to show off, because of it the app exist and because of this there is people using and rating the app. I wanted to show that quadrant doesnt show real performance, it can easily be manipulated.
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confirmed, it does work on 4.4.2 using motox dalvik
but it's fairly obvious if you have used it lol.. on my nexus 5 I got 15000 plus io score
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There is no such thing as "normal operation", clocks change all the time so our battery doesn't die by 11AM. Some Sammy apps get access to more performance, others hit nowhere near maximum for efficiency, which is why benchmarking doesn't tell the everyday story. It tells developers how far the HW can go, and the Note 3 shows the SD800 raw capabilities better than say the benchmarks of the Nexus 5.
For everyday performance like Chrome, Flipboard etc., use Chrome, Flipboard etc. for testing.
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Yes there is such a thing as normal operation.
They cheated. They were the only ones that overclocked the gpu for any apps on its white list. Nothing else could ever use that gpu clock period. It detected a app and gave the system a higher clock than the device would otherwise be able to hit. It's pure cheating.
They also basically turned off the thermal throttle. Another pure cheat.
They aren't doing this for developers. What a crock. They're doing it to cheat and inflate benchmark scores so their devices look better on a chart or in some clueless YouTube reviewers video.
The app just puts everything to max frequency. Not much of a hack..
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Yes there is such a thing as normal operation.
They cheated. They were the only ones that overclocked the gpu for any apps on its white list. Nothing else could ever use that gpu clock period. It detected a app and gave the system a higher clock than the device would otherwise be able to hit. It's pure cheating.
They also basically turned off the thermal throttle. Another pure cheat.
They aren't doing this for developers. What a crock. They're doing it to cheat and inflate benchmark scores so their devices look better on a chart or in some clueless YouTube reviewers video.
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Supercars are speed capped for street use, and you know you'll never run them at full speed; yet watching a car show I bet you wanna see them pushed to the limit, don't ya?
The point you are missing is that if Samsung can make the Note 3 blow the roof over your head, then you can too if you are a talented developer, otherwise why even bother with benchmarks, you don't need such power for your everyday apps. Quite the contrary: Samsung & others cheat every other app setting lower clock policies for longer battery life. Now tell me how many happy Note users are complaining that their alarm clock or live wallpaper doesn't run at full clock?
If they don't, why do you?

MI3W (Over)heating

Hi all,
So I got a question related to MI3W, the cooling system of it, and mainly:
Is it normal that while I'm doing basic stuff like internet browsing, using Tapatalk, Skype, whatever, the phone temperature is usually around 45-60°C? I think that's waaaay too much. Also I can feel the back and front of the phone(display) heating a lot. One thing I would like to say is that it's not dependent on any ROM or kernel, I'm facing this issue even in MIUI.
Now, this is not such a problem, but, the real problem appears when it comes to games or performance demanding apps. To get higher framerate or performance, I switch to High Performance mode (performance governor). But then, the SoC temperature rises to 90°C and I can't even touch the display so I won't burn myself.
Now, this sometimes happens even in idle mode, even though it's not this high temperature, but still it's about 60-70°C.
It could get pretty unpleasant if I received a call and had to put the burning phone on my face.
So I'm wondering if there's anything I can do with this issue and if anyone else has it, and if this is eventually an issue of the whole MI3 model.
Last thing, no other phone with S800 has this issue, I saw Xperia Z1 mini and Nexus 5 and none of them had such a crazy temperatures, I know this version of S800 is the one with overclocked GPU but still, it's not that much of difference and I don't think it receives any right to heat as much as it does to me.
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These apps won't tell you actual CPU temperature. The only place where you can find right one is at CPU-Z - Sensors - CPU Temperature
Me_Ashish_ said:
These apps won't tell you actual CPU temperature. The only place where you can find right one is at CPU-Z - Sensors - CPU Temperature
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This app is actually accurate, CPU-Z reports the same temperatures, it just shows more sensors so I thought it would be better to just show a single temperature..
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TofikLupus said:
This app is actually accurate, CPU-Z reports the same temperatures, it just shows more sensors so I thought it would be better to just show a single temperature..
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Nope I'm talking about that single one shown in Sensors
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Nope I'm talking about that single one shown in Sensors
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Not sure what the single one is, but i'm sure it's not the SoC temperature. CPU-Z of my friend who owns Xperia Z1 mini was showing 30-35°C in the tab with many sensors. Even after calculating Pi to 10,000,000 decimal places it didn't go above 40°C.. and his calculation time was even higher than mine. I found out that the calculation time is dependent on the SoC temperature, if it's overheating then the performance is lower. So I can't try it more times because it usually rises to 60-70°C.
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Not sure what the single one is, but i'm sure it's not the SoC temperature. CPU-Z of my friend who owns Xperia Z1 mini was showing 30-35°C in the tab with many sensors. Even after calculating Pi to 10,000,000 decimal places it didn't go above 40°C.. and his calculation time was even higher than mine. I found out that the calculation time is dependent on the SoC temperature, if it's overheating then the performance is lower. So I can't try it more times because it usually rises to 60-70°C.
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There, under sensors 31.6 degree. Not talking about any of those thermal temperatures
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There, under sensors 31.6 degree. Not talking about any of those thermal temperatures
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But what are the other temperatures then? And why my phone gets burning hot? This doesn't make sense at all.
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TofikLupus said:
But what are the other temperatures then? And why my phone gets burning hot? This doesn't make sense at all.
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I don't know but I do know the one I mentioned is the actual one.
Ans my phone too gets burning hot on gaming and stuff. It can't be helped, the story of MI phones.
Me_Ashish_ said:
I don't know but I do know the one I mentioned is the actual one.
Ans my phone too gets burning hot on gaming and stuff. It can't be helped, the story of MI phones.
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Okay, thanks for letting me know it's not an issue just for me but in general. I like this phone but I'm a bit dissapointed by this not well thought off cooling. I'm sometimes afraid the heat would destroy the LCD at one point because sometimes it's really intensive. Mostly after flashing an update for a ROM and upon the "Optimizing apps" screen.
One strange thing that I don't get though, is why nobody else is complaining about it, nor any reviews of the phone are mentioning this excessive heating.
I've been thinking about this for some while now.
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Don't use while charging and stay with balance power profile. These are mainstream device so don't push these to limits very often (these are not dedicated gaming device) and limited passive cooling for SOC. Otherwise you will inviting a premature component failure. Device temperature is also closely associated with ambient temp so if your ambient is close to 24is C the device will sustain performance bit better.
dchinu said:
Don't use while charging and stay with balance power profile. These are mainstream device so don't push these to limits very often (these are not dedicated gaming device) and limited passive cooling for SOC. Otherwise you will inviting a premature component failure. Device temperature is also closely associated with ambient temp so if your ambient is close to 24is C the device will sustain performance bit better.
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The problem is I can't use it while charging anyway, because the phone otherwise discharges faster than charges.
Also mostly I use balanced performance mode, since I know it starts to heat a lot and it gives me way too much performance for what i need most of the time. But when it's time for games, I need to use high performance mode otherwise the game isn't running so smooth. And in case of Piano Tiles, I experience unpleasant random stuttering of the game, which pretty much makes it unplayable. And that's not even any resource demaning game. So I'm forced to switch to HiPerf. mode anyway But it's really not that I'm overloading the phone and having it as a rendering station
About Mi3 being mainstream: I don't believe it's mainstream for its initial price, even though it was cheaper than other manufacturer's devices. Anyway, I will be careful with it. Still I don't get, if this is a mainstream device, why did Xiaomi use S800 SoC? It was a flagship when it was released 2 years ago. To me it looks like a fail from this point of view, trying to make a mainstream device(not so much dedicated to cooling) using high end components(which in fact need a better cooling).
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Unfortunately MIUI has bad thermal tweaks...blah blah..
So i suggest you to lower the screen resolution from FHD to HD (Not much of difference) and lower the lcd density. By this u will see hell lot of difference (I tested this method myself).
** Secondly try using a good ROM with Better cpu and thermal tweaks like if u want MIUI taste then try "SMIUI"
Or use Mettallium OS (I use this myself)
*** (OPTIONAL) u can flash some .zips that contain some tweaks and many improvement (u can find them on XDA easily)
like Lspeed etc.
I was facing the overheating issues but lowering down the resolution does the magic.
U can find resolution guide in MI3 GENERAL.
have a gr8 day
Yes it does heats up during installing roms (optimizing apps). I cool it off by air forced cooling (holding device in front of cooler during installation else battery discharges by 20 percent).
Normal heating during gaming, but stays cool in daily use... on cm 12.1 stock kernel
If you are using miui. Try God's Kernel R3 or R4. And report.
That seems to be the problem of Snapdragon 800.
TofikLupus said:
Hi all,
So I got a question related to MI3W, the cooling system of it, and mainly:
Is it normal that while I'm doing basic stuff like internet browsing, using Tapatalk, Skype, whatever, the phone temperature is usually around 45-60°C? I think that's waaaay too much. Also I can feel the back and front of the phone(display) heating a lot. One thing I would like to say is that it's not dependent on any ROM or kernel, I'm facing this issue even in MIUI.
Now, this is not such a problem, but, the real problem appears when it comes to games or performance demanding apps. To get higher framerate or performance, I switch to High Performance mode (performance governor). But then, the SoC temperature rises to 90°C and I can't even touch the display so I won't burn myself.
Now, this sometimes happens even in idle mode, even though it's not this high temperature, but still it's about 60-70°C.
It could get pretty unpleasant if I received a call and had to put the burning phone on my face.
So I'm wondering if there's anything I can do with this issue and if anyone else has it, and if this is eventually an issue of the whole MI3 model.
Last thing, no other phone with S800 has this issue, I saw Xperia Z1 mini and Nexus 5 and none of them had such a crazy temperatures, I know this version of S800 is the one with overclocked GPU but still, it's not that much of difference and I don't think it receives any right to heat as much as it does to me.
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Thank you for your feedback and hopefully this gets solved.
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Okay, so a little update - Recently I reached an incredible temperature of 107°C on the CPU chip!!! And then thermally shut down. I think this isn't fun anymore. I don't know if i have some defective piece or if it's normal for all MI3's but I'm starting to think about returning the phone or just claiming a replacement. Both the front and back of the phone gets hot very soon, just by watching some youtube vids or browsing internet...or JUST having the phone simply unlocked and idling. The temperatures don't go under 40°C. I think that this is the reason why MI3 was cheaper than other phones with the same SoC.
In the worst case, I will revert the partition table back to stock, install latest MIUI 7 on it and send it to a service center.
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TofikLupus said:
Okay, so a little update - Recently I reached an incredible temperature of 107°C on the CPU chip!!! And then thermally shut down. I think this isn't fun anymore. I don't know if i have some defective piece or if it's normal for all MI3's but I'm starting to think about returning the phone or just claiming a replacement. Both the front and back of the phone gets hot very soon, just by watching some youtube vids or browsing internet...or JUST having the phone simply unlocked and idling. The temperatures don't go under 40°C. I think that this is the reason why MI3 was cheaper than other phones with the same SoC.
In the worst case, I will revert the partition table back to stock, install latest MIUI 7 on it and send it to a service center.
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Which rom are you using? And kernel?
24likan said:
Which rom are you using? And kernel?
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The superhigh temperatures were in recovery and before the phone boots up. I was reaching 80-90°C in any ROM, including MIUI(while gaming) and 60-70°C at normal use. Sadly, no ROM affects the temperature, it's always high. I was using all stock kernels, until yesterday, when I flashed Moshi stock kernel, expecting lower temperatures. Well, they were lower, but still 60°C with JUST watching youtube videos, that's a bit too much.
I think Xiaomi just didn't think off the cooling well, because Nexus 5 and Galaxy S5 don't suffer from so high temperatures, 60°C at most while gaming, and people at forums complain about getting 50°C while i'm glad to have 45°C in idle state. And I'm not talking about the surface temperature, I'm talking about the on-chip temperature, which to me is more important.
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GUYS - What if https://youtu.be/hZDNpp--E0Y was applied to MI3? Maybe my device is just poorly greased and the heat doesn't transfer to the aluminium plate effectively. That could be a solution, if it's possible, which I believe it is, because MI3 has the same aluminium plate on the back of the LCD as a heatsink(i believe it is aluminium).
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TofikLupus said:
GUYS - What if https://youtu.be/hZDNpp--E0Y was applied to MI3? Maybe my device is just poorly greased and the heat doesn't transfer to the aluminium plate effectively. That could be a solution, if it's possible, which I believe it is, because MI3 has the same aluminium plate on the back of the LCD as a heatsink(i believe it is aluminium).
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I understand your problem. May be yours is a hardware problem. But try flashing God's kernel R3 or R4

Benchmark is bad on RR

I am running RR and am getting under 40k with antutu benchmark
i am wondering why it is so low and if someone can help me.
i am running xposed with the following modules
amplify - not blocking anything though yet
app settings - used for a couple apps that need 640 dpi to operate since i am running at 480 dpi
blacklist
boot manager
google offline voice
greenify
iFont
unbelovedhosts
xinstaller
xprivacy - not blocking anything with it yet
youtube adaway
is there any apps that would cause such a low performance. i tried installing the kernel by @BayButcher and modifying it to his battery suggestions and i am about to try his performance setup for his kernel to see if that does anything. but i was getting near 50k with stock so i figure i should be better with CM12.1 or RR.
johnbravado said:
I am running RR and am getting under 40k with antutu benchmark
i am wondering why it is so low and if someone can help me.
i was getting near 50k with stock so i figure i should be better with CM12.1 or RR.
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In thermal settings, you will have to set the temperature higher. Intellithermal aggressively throttles the CPU. I set it for 65 degrees for just "normal" operations, because it seems to start throttling 10 degrees sooner than what you set.
So for a benchmark that makes you feel better, set the degree limit even higher. How high is however high you are willing to risk... Also, before you take the benchmark tests, stick the phone in the freezer with a ziplock bag for a few minutes to let it really cool down. Then start the test, put it back in the freezer while the test is running. The phone will run faster longer while cool, and won't throttle the CPU.
I mean, benchmarks are for bragging rights, yes?
When you finish the benchmarks test, then put the degree limit back down to like 65 degrees for everyday use.
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50,000 -- here's Antutu results at 65 degrees throttling and freezer trick. I could get higher if I set my thermal setting even higher -- which would be safe temporarily as long as I chilled the phone first IN the freezer and kept it there during testing.
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In thermal settings, you will have to set the temperature higher. Intellithermal aggressively throttles the CPU. I set it for 65 degrees for just "normal" operations, because it seems to start throttling 10 degrees sooner than what you set.
So for a benchmark that makes you feel better, set the degree limit even higher. How high is however high you are willing to risk... Also, before you take the benchmark tests, stick the phone in the freezer with a ziplock bag for a few minutes to let it really cool down. Then start the test, put it back in the freezer while the test is running. The phone will run faster longer while cool, and won't throttle the CPU.
I mean, benchmarks are for bragging rights, yes?
When you finish the benchmarks test, then put the degree limit back down to like 65 degrees for everyday use.
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I agree benchmarks are for bragging, but they are still a benchmark. if stock out of the box i can get a 48-49k benchmark and i do some mods and can get a 55k benchmark that is for bragging. but if it drops to 40k something is broke. . I am going to try the increased temperature and run another test. the performance setup only got me to 41k.
i am really confused now. i reinstalled computerfreeks ROM which before bootloader unlock gave me 50k and now it gave me 35k. i am going back to RR because I like it more but need to find out what caused performance issues.
johnbravado said:
I agree benchmarks are for bragging, but they are still a benchmark. if stock out of the box i can get a 48-49k benchmark and i do some mods and can get a 55k benchmark that is for bragging. but if it drops to 40k something is broke. . I am going to try the increased temperature and run another test. the performance setup only got me to 41k.
i am really confused now. i reinstalled computerfreeks ROM which before bootloader unlock gave me 50k and now it gave me 35k. i am going back to RR because I like it more but need to find out what caused performance issues.
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My main point is while the custom ROM may give you increased performance and options, the default kernel thermal throttling points (for frequency as well as for core -- two separate settings) may be sabotaging benchmark tests.
I increased frequency point to 65 degrees, because that REALLY means 55 degrees, for some reason.
I didn't even touch the "core" thermal setting...
And my 50,000 result was on stock 640 dpi.
Cm12 is the same way. Low benchmark. I'm saying with exposed and stock
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tecsironman said:
Cm12 is the same way. Low benchmark. I'm saying with exposed and stock
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I'm on CM, but with @baybutcher27 kernel. See my benchmark results above.
ChazzMatt said:
I'm on CM, but with @baybutcher27 kernel. See my benchmark results above.
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Yeah, but you obtained those results by tweaking the phone and subjecting it to non-real world conditions. I can get 52K on the stock rom by doing absolutely nothing and having a bunch of xposed modules active, and I think that's the issue that the OP is concerned about. The relationship between benchmark scores and real world performance is debatable, but I think he has a valid point.
johnbravado said:
I agree benchmarks are for bragging, but they are still a benchmark. if stock out of the box i can get a 48-49k benchmark and i do some mods and can get a 55k benchmark that is for bragging. but if it drops to 40k something is broke. . I am going to try the increased temperature and run another test. the performance setup only got me to 41k.
i am really confused now. i reinstalled computerfreeks ROM which before bootloader unlock gave me 50k and now it gave me 35k. i am going back to RR because I like it more but need to find out what caused performance issues.
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The caused of the performance issues is simple heat vs battery level.
Has the device get hot it get low score because more throttle down, has the battery gets low same ting there is a setting to lock the clock under a frequency if the battery get too low, it starts only at 20%.
very simple table:
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thresholds 80 85 90
thresholds_clr 79 84 89
actions cpu cpu cpu
action_info 2265600 1958400 1728000
this is editable this is in the file
system/etc/thermal-engine-quark.conf
I never try to edit it but you can.
But in my test I find that there is more then this file make the performance get low, and for me is just the battery as it get low the performance get too, but the battery is only responsible for some very little % of this the heat is 90 to 95% responsible.
So be aware that you problem is more heat you heat your device installing ROM make and restore backup don't give time to the device cools down and test.
No matter the ROM you try that will be the result, unless you can set the temp threshold higher like in a custom Kernel.
baybutcher27 said:
The caused of the performance issues is simple heat vs battery level.
Has the device get hot it get low score because more throttle down, has the battery gets low same ting there is a setting to lock the clock under a frequency if the battery get too low, it starts only at 20%.
very simple table:
Code:
thresholds 80 85 90
thresholds_clr 79 84 89
actions cpu cpu cpu
action_info 2265600 1958400 1728000
this is editable this is in the file
system/etc/thermal-engine-quark.conf
I never try to edit it but you can.
But in my test I find that there is more then this file make the performance get low, and for me is just the battery as it get low the performance get too, but the battery is only responsible for some very little % of this the heat is 90 to 95% responsible.
So be aware that you problem is more heat you heat your device installing ROM make and restore backup don't give time to the device cools down and test.
No matter the ROM you try that will be the result, unless you can set the temp threshold higher like in a custom Kernel.
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I am willing to buy into the heat issue since i am changing between ROMS and such so i got a few things against me
1) chargin phone
2) restoring different ROM
3) not giving adequate time to cool
i am going to let eveything settle a little with RR and retest. i am using your kernel and used your performance recomendations. i am not a gamer i just do not like clicking a button and waiting. or wa5tching me type faster than the phone can output to a field
TheSt33v said:
Yeah, but you obtained those results by tweaking the phone and subjecting it to non-real world conditions. I can get 52K on the stock rom by doing absolutely nothing and having a bunch of xposed modules active, and I think that's the issue that the OP is concerned about. The relationship between benchmark scores and real world performance is debatable, but I think he has a valid point.
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Yes exactly. i did nothing between test a and test b except unlock bootloader and install RR, CM12.1. and yet i got a huge performance drop. but same issue was with the computerfreek version which is like stock. so i am thinking it has to do with something else not playing friendly.
i would assume if with stock out the box i could pull 50k then with RR and a kernel boost i should be able to pull 52k.
TheSt33v said:
Yeah, but you obtained those results by tweaking the phone and subjecting it to non-real world conditions. I can get 52K on the stock rom by doing absolutely nothing and having a bunch of xposed modules active, and I think that's the issue that the OP is concerned about. The relationship between benchmark scores and real world performance is debatable, but I think he has a valid point.
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Tweaking the phone? Mostly all I did was change the CUSTOM kernel throttling conditions. When you root your phone, from that point on you are TWEAKING your phone. Give me a break.
Yeah, I also cooled the phone, so that is non-real world conditions, but changing the quite arbitrary throttling point is quite logical when it's been PROVEN that throttling point affects performance and actually starts throttling even sooner!
Read this.
xxspookyxx said:
I think change gorvenor to conservative dont solve the problem.
To me dont make any difference, the better Gorvernor works well with my Moto maxx are Interactive_pro.
To getter better performance of my phone, i need change Thermal Frequency Throttle to 80º C, most custom roms use Intellithermal method, and they are very sensivity to temperature.
If you choose 80º C, they will reach in max 70º to begin the throttle the processor.
Stock Custom Roms are 60ºC in Thermal Frequency Throttle, i change to 80ºC and my phone are very fast now.
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So, on your custom ROM kernel, change your governor, change your throttle points.
OK i am satisfied here. i unplugged the phone and benchmarked at 50.7k. apparently charging the phone cripples its productivity. i did not think it would cripple it that bad. and if this is a known thing i apologize for the posting.
i can now go back to enjoying the awesome RR and tweaking it.
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I'm on CM, but with @baybutcher27 kernel. See my benchmark results above.
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Yes sir I saw that.. Maybe I'll give cm12 another shot with butchers kernel. I'm at work ATM with just my otg and little time.
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My Turbo that I haven't bootloader unlocked. All stock with some stuff disabled in settings.
ChazzMatt said:
Tweaking the phone? Mostly all I did was change the CUSTOM kernel throttling conditions. When you root your phone, from that point on you are TWEAKING your phone. Give me a break.
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Yeah, okay, so all you did was change some throttling conditions. But you know what I had to do in order to get a higher benchmark than the one you got? Nothing. At room temperature. That's a problem. One of the main purposes of unlocking one's phone is increasing performance, not reducing it.
If the problem is simply an incorrectly set throttle point, all you should have to do to get 52K at room temperature is change the throttle point high enough, right? No cooling required. So let's see that. If you can get 52K without melting your phone in a normal usage environment, then good. No worries. Mine didn't even get hot during the benchmark, so you should be able to easily exceed my 52K score. If not, there is an issue that I think should be addressed.
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johnbravado said:
OK i am satisfied here. i unplugged the phone and benchmarked at 50.7k. apparently charging the phone cripples its productivity. i did not think it would cripple it that bad. and if this is a known thing i apologize for the posting.
i can now go back to enjoying the awesome RR and tweaking it.
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Charging = heat generation = throttling, so yes, that would do it. I'm still curious to see if CM and this custom kernel can break 52K though. I'm waiting for CM13 before I make the switch, but I might reconsider if I have to sacrifice some performance. The technical power of this phone was half the reason I bought it.
Stock cm12.1 benched 48,000 screen on.
Screen off it was 43,000.
I'm happy with it. I also think the battery life is mildly better.
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ChazzMatt said:
Tweaking the phone? Mostly all I did was change the CUSTOM kernel throttling conditions. When you root your phone, from that point on you are TWEAKING your phone. Give me a break.
Yeah, I also cooled the phone, so that is non-real world conditions, but changing the quite arbitrary throttling point is quite logical when it's been PROVEN that throttling point affects performance and actually starts throttling even sooner!
Read this.
So, on your custom ROM kernel, change your governor, change your throttle points.
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Can I just flash butchers kernel and not mess with it? Is it good to go after flash or will I have to play around with settings?
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After you flash it there is nothing saying you need to change anything.
I would imagine he has the presets at what he thinks is best.
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Just FYI, I'm running computerfreek's latest unlocked ROM with xposed and about 10 modules. No changes to thermal setting (don't know the default for this ROM either), and just have it sitting on the desk. I'm also, getting unbelievable battery life with servicely, amplify.
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Can I just flash butchers kernel and not mess with it? Is it good to go after flash or will I have to play around with settings?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-maxx/development/kernel-bhb27-kernel-t3207526
the writer of the kernel has said it needs some adjustments since he does not turn them on by default. but he gives 2 setups, 1 for battery and 1 for performance on post #2. i just set it up as per post #2 until i understand more what is going on with the kernel.

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Hi! touching my phone and having common sense let me know that the Exynos GPU and the low power cores/high power cores have a little nonsense regarding to STOCK thermal and CPU/GPU freq/usage, so, i change between low power cores to high power cores at 50% it's minimum frequences and let the system to use ONLY the high power cores, heavy underclocked, since our phone have thermal copper plate to avoid high temperatures there should be no problem.
But the MORE INTERESTING part of it, it's that this Exynos allows to underclock a LOT among other things, except the GPU which doesn't go really well with underclocking so, when i do this mod, i was able to boost the overall system performance (daily use) like our S7 Exynos is like two or three generations after it regarding to performance! While turning on only hardcore CPU's and not the EIGHT OF THEM the phone not only runs wayyy better, but also runs VERY stable and cold, even better than stock.
Regarding battery life, the overall pack which you only have to import through "Morotweaks" you not only have a lot more benefits regarding low power consumption, but, when you use the powerfull cores ONLY at higher frequency, the Exynos is able to deep sleep more often than before... Regarding additional benefits into the battery life/heat area.
Any chance to have this profile running on thunderstorm kernel?
Thank you for sharing your work!
Thanks! Testing!
What about Reflux Kernel?
Therazorsedge said:
Hi! touching my phone and having common sense let me know that the Exynos GPU and the low power cores/high power cores have a little nonsense regarding to STOCK thermal and CPU/GPU freq/usage, so, i change between low power cores to high power cores at 50% it's minimum frequences and let the system to use ONLY the high power cores, heavy underclocked, since our phone have thermal copper plate to avoid high temperatures there should be no problem.
But the MORE INTERESTING part of it, it's that this Exynos allows to underclock a LOT among other things, except the GPU which doesn't go really well with underclocking so, when i do this mod, i was able to boost the overall system performance (daily use) like our S7 Exynos is like two or three generations after it regarding to performance! While turning on only hardcore CPU's and not the EIGHT OF THEM the phone not only runs wayyy better, but also runs VERY stable and cold, even better than stock.
Regarding battery life, the overall pack which you only have to import through "Morotweaks" you not only have a lot more benefits regarding low power consumption, but, when you use the powerfull cores ONLY at higher frequency, the Exynos is able to deep sleep more often than before... Regarding additional benefits into the battery life/heat area.
So i upload you the profile, you will need the following:
Morokernel installed
Mtweaks latest
Download the latest LAG_TERMINATOR™ zip
You have to go through the menu and select "profiles" then import the latest "LAG_TERMINATOR™" zip profile of mine.
You will experiment like you have a S10 instead of a S7 and you will be able to save a lot of battery and heat.
I recommend you the rom AOSIP but you can use every Aosp/Tw rom out there, even with other kernel compatible with Mtweaks/Thundertweaks but i recomend only this rom. Enjoy it.
DOWNLOAD NOW THIS AWESOMENESS:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/k964wlh4c4qz5ol/LAG_TERMINATOR™.json
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Note: If you want me to buy some toys/good sweets to my dear cat you can always donate some money to my paypal: [email protected] Thank you, Miau!!!
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my phone is flying now, thank u so much
not compatible with stock kernel, am i right ?
I see minimum CPU clock of big cores is locked to 1664 MHz. So no low clocks = high battery drain....
It's compatible with lineage 16 and MoRoKernel-AllInOne-CSC4-v7.0.1?
danyel980 said:
It's compatible with lineage 16 and MoRoKernel-AllInOne-CSC4-v7.0.1?
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yes
Ubimo said:
I see minimum CPU clock of big cores is locked to 1664 MHz. So no low clocks = high battery drain....
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The magic of this is explained on the first post video. My S7 now feels like a ****ing S10 with better battery
Also try the latest Lineage OS!!! My friend.
You will sabe a lot of heat and battery
Ubimo said:
I see minimum CPU clock of big cores is locked to 1664 MHz. So no low clocks = high battery drain....
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It's compatible with lineage 16 and MoRoKernel-AllInOne-CSC4-v7.0.1?
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You can run it in EVERY KERNEL AND EVERY ROM that supports UNDERVOLTING, and you'll THEN EXPERIMENT IF YOU DO IT'S TREMENDOUS INCREASES ON BATTERY LIFE AND POWER like your phone is a galaxy S10 (but with better battery)...
I.m.Tuga said:
Any chance to have this profile running on thunderstorm kernel?
Thank you for sharing your work!
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You are wellcome, you can donate through paypal so i buy new toys to my cat
You can allways in any moment tell us here your FANTASTIC RESULTS with LAG_TERMINATOR™ Profile of mine
Hesperus01 said:
What about Reflux Kernel?
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It should work, you can try and tell us here the difference, if it uses UV you'll be fine. Also your battery speed charge level increases, tell us
Works great, feels very smooth but it feels very hot too! I´ve undervolt -75mw in CPU , -50mw in GPU and -56,25 in MIF-INT-DISP-CAM, what more can i do?
kienzi said:
my phone is flying now, thank u so much
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Well i'm glad to see i'm helping others with this revolutionary arrangement, keep in tune for more updates!
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I see minimum CPU clock of big cores is locked to 1664 MHz. So no low clocks = high battery drain....
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You need to read the full post and try it for yourself to see this incredible and AWESOME RESULTS!!!
JuanMat97 said:
Works great, feels very smooth but it feels very hot too! I´ve undervolt -75mw in CPU , -50mw in GPU and -56,25 in MIF-INT-DISP-CAM, what more can i do?
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You only have to view the first post youtube config video, and make you s7 literally fly colder than before
There seems to be a problem with Mtweaks, so you have to copy the values by hand, pretty easy actually
Also i recommend you try latest lineage 16 for the BEST RESULTS.
Therazorsedge said:
You only have to view the first post youtube config video, and make you s7 literally fly colder than before
There seems to be a problem with Mtweaks, so you have to copy the values by hand, pretty easy actually
Also i recommend you try latest lineage 16 for the BEST RESULTS.
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for best results I think I'll wait next release cuz with bug fixes on camera hal
I installed profile, and manually edit voltages like in the video but my phone heats, on charger even more
Hello! I was excited when I found your creation, but on my hyper rom v3 with Thunderstorm kernel, the most of the values don't seem to be the same as yours (like the video you've posted).
I can relate that my S7 doesn't heat so hard while charging, but it charges slower (which is not a bad thing). Also Spectrum profiles have reduced to 2 profiles, sometimes 3 (if I toggle them fast - balanced, "battery" and Gaming), instead of 4. I tried to record my screen to show you, but I got lots of freezes lasting 5 to 10 seconds . Do I need to move to AOSP in order to get the right tweaks, or could you please rearange values for Thunderstorm kernel?

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So, I'm sure many of us have the burning question of which ROM/kernel any of us should use when it comes to pure performance. With so many ROMs out there, ones based on OOS, Havoc, Paranoid Android, crDroid, OmniROM, MIUI, the list just absolutely goes on. I want to use this thread as a way to inform people of any potential performance gains/loss when it comes to choosing a ROM, as well as just a thread to compare/talk about benchmarks in general.
So I've taken the liberty to run five different setups, (I can take some more as requests, if necessary.) and ran A LOT of benchmarks between all of them to see which ROM provides the best performance. These tests include four various games, some synthetic benchmarks, and storage tests. At the end of it all, I ran all the tests with some pretty heavy kernel based performance modifications that gave a surprising amount of performance gains in some scenarios.
The ROM setups I am using are:
Completely Stock (OOS Beta 11 with zero modifications)
Stock OOS Beta 11 but Magisk / xXx NoLimits xXx 10.1 / Data Formatted as F2FS
HavocOS 3.3 Build 3/17 w/ F2FS
Paranoid Android Quartz Beta 5 w/ F2FS
& Paranoid Android Quartz Beta 5 w/ F2FS AND SmurfKernel 3.5.1 rc17 slmk w/ Overclocks Enabled
All benchmarks were ran under the scrcpy ADB screen mirroring software, and under the settings I've used, it's shown to not provide any amount of performance loss. The command/options I've ran are "scrcpy --render-expired-frames -b 2M -m 768". That makes scrcpy not drop any lost frames (which will increase delay but make frame rate recording much more accurate), have a bitrate of 2Mbit/s, and have a screen height of only 768, which is easy for the phone to do while not incurring any performance loss. Game performance was recorded using MSI Afterburner over the scrcpy window, which isn't THE MOST accurate, but is the only option available due to certain apps not being able to be run under OOS (i.e. KFMARK actually offers these features in app, but crashes on OOS.)
So, lets get started, first, with the gaming benchmarks. I've chosen these games because they are the only ones that are intensive enough on the phone's hardware that can run without hitting the game's frame rate cap. The overclocking kernel of choice for these tests are @pappaschlumpf's SmurfKernel, all my settings can be found here.
GAMES:
Game 1:
Game 2:
Game 3:
Game 4:
ANTUTU:
3DMARK:
Test 1:
Test 2:
Test 3:
Test 4:
Test 5:
GFXBench 5.0:
Set 1:
Set 2:
Set 3:
Set 4:
Geekbench 5
AndroBench (Storage):
Set 1:
Set 2:
So, what is the takeaway from all this? Which is the winner of the best performing ROM? I think the short answer is, well, no one. Long answer? It really depends. Currently, I don't think ROMs alone can offer any amount of increase in CPU/GPU, giving any extra gaming performance. That seems to be solely up to the kernel.
At a glance, it may look like Havoc offers an immense increase in gaming performance from looking at all of the benchmarks. However, after checking Kernel Tuner, I actually noticed its kernel overclocks the GPU to 675 MHz, (up from 585).
Strangely, OOS seems to offer better SQLite performance than both other ROMs until some serious kernel tweaking is introduced. It may look like xXx NoLimits xXx gives higher storage based scores, but the gains were due to /data being formatted to F2FS. Thus, it seems like NoLimits provides zero recordable performance difference. Not sure what they mean by Speed/RAM optimized. Maybe it's just purely a debloating and keep-more-apps-in-Ram tool.
CPU scores between all ROMs is all within margin of error. I noticed higher MEM/Storage benchmark scores on AOSPA, as well as slightly faster app install times. However I imagine that comes from the fact that it uses the @arter97 kernel, not due to the ROM itself.
So, with all this said, I think the best ROM to choose is whichever one you feel like has the best features / ability to be a daily driver, not what you think will be better performance. I am personally sticking with Paranoid Android because some others have one or two annoying bugs that they haven't squashed and apps like Reachability Cursor and KFMark work seamlessly on it (unlike OOS).
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I miss crDroid, AOSPA and TreskMOD in that comparison. Good work anyway !
Mystenes said:
I miss crDroid, AOSPA and TreskMOD in that comparison. Good work anyway !
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How on earth did you miss AOSPA?
rejectedjs said:
How on earth did you miss AOSPA?
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Should be AOSiP
Mystenes said:
Should be AOSiP
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AOSiP is based on pure AOSP and doesn't have any official Android 10 releases, it's still running Pie, so I don't want to waste time getting into it. TreskMod is just another mod of OmniROM, which HavocOS is already largely based from. crDroid looks interesting, so I'm currently running it and trying it out for myself and will update with benchmarks eventually.
for a reliable test, you must flash the same kernel with same settings in all roms, smurf kernel for example works in stock and customs.
You have smurf kernel with forced 90 hz, the same setup must be in all customs and is misconfigured, if you have surfaceflinger boost on, you must disable frame commit boost and viceversa.
how about call of duty mobile game?did you test it out?thanksyou
Toni Moon said:
for a reliable test, you must flash the same kernel with same settings in all roms, smurf kernel for example works in stock and customs.
You have smurf kernel with forced 90 hz, the same setup must be in all customs and is misconfigured, if you have surfaceflinger boost on, you must disable frame commit boost and viceversa.
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I know SmurfKernel works on OOS / AOSP, the overclocking benchmarks weren't there to show "Look! SmurfKernel + AOSPA is so much better than others!", it's to show people how much of a difference overclocking can make, for them to make the decision of whether they think SmurfKernel's overclocking is worth flashing for or not. I didn't flash the same kernel to all ROMs because that's not the way the developers intended it to be. If the developers wanted their rom to be best experienced under SmurfKernel, they would have either explicitly stated it or packaged it in with the ROM. For example, the way AOSPA does with arter97's kernel. Flashing Smurf to everything would have defeated the purpose of comparing the ROMs.
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how about call of duty mobile game?did you test it out?thanksyou
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Call of Duty Mobile already runs at it's frame rate cap of 60FPS on our phones, there would be zero difference between ROMs.
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I know SmurfKernel works on OOS / AOSP, the overclocking benchmarks weren't there to show "Look! SmurfKernel + AOSPA is so much better than others!", it's to show people how much of a difference overclocking can make, for them to make the decision of whether they think SmurfKernel's overclocking is worth flashing for or not. I didn't flash the same kernel to all ROMs because that's not the way the developers intended it to be, if the developers wanted their rom to be best experienced under SmurfKernel, they would have either explicitly stated it, or packaged it in with the ROM, like the way AOSPA does with arter97's kernel. Flashing Smurf to everything would have defeated the purpose of comparing the ROMs.
Call of Duty Mobile already runs at it's frame rate cap of 60FPS on our phones, there would be zero difference between ROMs.
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isee..thanks for the info..its suck when its come to flagship phone with higher refreshrate..
Wow, that's great! Now it seems almost strange why this wasn't done so far What about battery? It would be interesting to benchmark idle / active drain (maybe in 2 scenarios like chrome browsing and other in gaming?), just a though
spawnn617 said:
Wow, that's great! Now it seems almost strange why this wasn't done so far What about battery? It would be interesting to benchmark idle / active drain (maybe in 2 scenarios like chrome browsing and other in gaming?), just a though
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I would like to do a battery life test but there are so many variables that would really come down to end user experience that I don't think it would be an accurate representation of the ROM's performance. If there's an app that just constantly drains the battery life, maybe I could try that, but I feel like that would take a really long time to post results for since that would be one ROM's results a day.
Thanks for this. I'm currently running OOS 10.3.1AA with arter97 r54 kernel ?? pretty happy with performance and kernel overall.
Best thread I've seen on xda in years. Thanks for this! :good:
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Best thread I've seen on xda in years. Thanks for this! :good:
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Thanks! Lol, I'm glad it's getting some attention considering all the time I spent wiping and having to restart so much to get all the info!
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I would like to do a battery life test but there are so many variables that would really come down to end user experience that I don't think it would be an accurate representation of the ROM's performance. If there's an app that just constantly drains the battery life, maybe I could try that, but I feel like that would take a really long time to post results for since that would be one ROM's results a day.
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PCMark has a battery test which works really well, but it takes like 9 hours to run haha
Would be awesome to see though
Thua far, the absolute smoothest experience Ive had on this phone has been OOS + Smurf + xXx. Without smurf, Ive seen no difference with or without xXx, however with it, the phone is butter smooth, its an enormous difference. Benchmarks on my phone are lower because I keep clocks low to save on battery, however even then the phone blazes through everything. Has a few kinks here and there that are admittedly quite annoying, though, so I am looking into other kernels a bit. Appreciate the post. Ill probably continue avoiding AOSP roms, Oxygen has spoiled me, such a good Rom.
Ruvaldak said:
Thua far, the absolute smoothest experience Ive had on this phone has been OOS + Smurf + xXx. Without smurf, Ive seen no difference with or without xXx, however with it, the phone is butter smooth, its an enormous difference. Benchmarks on my phone are lower because I keep clocks low to save on battery, however even then the phone blazes through everything. Has a few kinks here and there that are admittedly quite annoying, though, so I am looking into other kernels a bit. Appreciate the post. Ill probably continue avoiding AOSP roms, Oxygen has spoiled me, such a good Rom.
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Arter kernel is a rather nippy and no stutters or hickups noticed yet, perhaps give that a whirl!
And how about battery drain ? Sot and idle ?

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