Hi everyone, i want to share something that most of u dont know...
Quadrant can be manipulated in order to get higher scores. Just download this and share your scores before and after using this:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.doomlord.quadrantbooster
Whit the hack installed and activated you cant get up to 2k+ to your usual score. Thats why i dont trust Quadrant, just Antutu.
Note: This app doesnt increase your device performance, just manipulate the scores.
The app was developed by DoomLord, is a recognized dev, so dont be scared to try. Needs root.
Have a nice day ^^
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philipepi said:
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Haha
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Why would someone want to spoof their benchmarks? So that they matter even less than they already do?
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Samsung never cheated, merely took the cap off the HW and let it fly. I do not particularly care about benchmarks, but if I did, I'd like to see the absolute HW maximum, cause that's the whole point.
I do check benchmarks of new SoCs though, to get a rought estimate what they can do.
No. They cheated.
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Samsung never cheated, merely took the cap off the HW and let it fly. I do not particularly care about benchmarks, but if I did, I'd like to see the absolute HW maximum, cause that's the whole point.
I do check benchmarks of new SoCs though, to get a rought estimate what they can do.
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Yes they did, letting the device overclocl itself when a benchmark app is open is cheating because you get scores you normally won't have...
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You are a fu##ing legend
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I'm fairly sure this hack hasn't worked for a long time.. it boosts your I/O scores by putting data in working memory.. would only help if running older hardware
I haven't actually tried it though
failly said:
Yes they did, letting the device overclocl itself when a benchmark app is open is cheating because you get scores you normally won't have...
You are a fu##ing legend
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There is no such thing as "normal operation", clocks change all the time so our battery doesn't die by 11AM. Some Sammy apps get access to more performance, others hit nowhere near maximum for efficiency, which is why benchmarking doesn't tell the everyday story. It tells developers how far the HW can go, and the Note 3 shows the SD800 raw capabilities better than say the benchmarks of the Nexus 5.
For everyday performance like Chrome, Flipboard etc., use Chrome, Flipboard etc. for testing.
meangreenie said:
I'm fairly sure this hack hasn't worked for a long time.. it boosts your I/O scores by putting data in working memory.. would only help if running older hardware
I haven't actually tried it though
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Yeah a lot of the reviews on the Play store are saying it actually lowers their overall score
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There is no such thing as "normal operation", clocks change all the time so our battery doesn't die by 11AM. Some Sammy apps get access to more performance, others hit nowhere near maximum for efficiency, which is why benchmarking doesn't tell the everyday story. It tells developers how far the HW can go, and the Note 3 shows the SD800 raw capabilities better than say the benchmarks of the Nexus 5.
For everyday performance like Chrome, Flipboard etc., use Chrome, Flipboard etc. for testing.
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IMO, it's like doping.
The athletes(Samsung's phone) can run fast but without this doping(benchmark booster file of Samsung) they run slower.
There indeed isn't such thing as a 'normal clock', but there is such thing as a maximum clock frequency, pushing this frequency means overclocking.
In some way it isn't cheating because overclocking is a known term.
On the other side it makes it cheating since 'normal' that doesn't know sh#t about overclocking, will have their phone getting overclocked without even knowing it.
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I'm fairly sure this hack hasn't worked for a long time.. it boosts your I/O scores by putting data in working memory.. would only help if running older hardware
I haven't actually tried it though
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I can confirm is still working, gonna upload some screenshots later.
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AlderCass said:
Why would someone want to spoof their benchmarks? So that they matter even less than they already do?
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Why would someone run a benchmark? Because they care about the scores.
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Why would someone run a benchmark? Because they care about the scores.
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To check the performance of their device, and to compare it with others. To check performance differences before and after flashing roms etc. But definitely not so that they can lie about how powerful their device is, when it really isn't.
ChavitoArg said:
Why would someone run a benchmark? Because they care about the scores.
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If they care about the scores, why would they intentionally use an app to make those scores completely inaccurate?
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If they care about the scores, why would they intentionally use an app to make those scores completely inaccurate?
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Dont take me wrong.
There is people that care about the score just to show off, because of it the app exist and because of this there is people using and rating the app. I wanted to show that quadrant doesnt show real performance, it can easily be manipulated.
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confirmed, it does work on 4.4.2 using motox dalvik
but it's fairly obvious if you have used it lol.. on my nexus 5 I got 15000 plus io score
BoneXDA said:
There is no such thing as "normal operation", clocks change all the time so our battery doesn't die by 11AM. Some Sammy apps get access to more performance, others hit nowhere near maximum for efficiency, which is why benchmarking doesn't tell the everyday story. It tells developers how far the HW can go, and the Note 3 shows the SD800 raw capabilities better than say the benchmarks of the Nexus 5.
For everyday performance like Chrome, Flipboard etc., use Chrome, Flipboard etc. for testing.
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Yes there is such a thing as normal operation.
They cheated. They were the only ones that overclocked the gpu for any apps on its white list. Nothing else could ever use that gpu clock period. It detected a app and gave the system a higher clock than the device would otherwise be able to hit. It's pure cheating.
They also basically turned off the thermal throttle. Another pure cheat.
They aren't doing this for developers. What a crock. They're doing it to cheat and inflate benchmark scores so their devices look better on a chart or in some clueless YouTube reviewers video.
The app just puts everything to max frequency. Not much of a hack..
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Yes there is such a thing as normal operation.
They cheated. They were the only ones that overclocked the gpu for any apps on its white list. Nothing else could ever use that gpu clock period. It detected a app and gave the system a higher clock than the device would otherwise be able to hit. It's pure cheating.
They also basically turned off the thermal throttle. Another pure cheat.
They aren't doing this for developers. What a crock. They're doing it to cheat and inflate benchmark scores so their devices look better on a chart or in some clueless YouTube reviewers video.
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Supercars are speed capped for street use, and you know you'll never run them at full speed; yet watching a car show I bet you wanna see them pushed to the limit, don't ya?
The point you are missing is that if Samsung can make the Note 3 blow the roof over your head, then you can too if you are a talented developer, otherwise why even bother with benchmarks, you don't need such power for your everyday apps. Quite the contrary: Samsung & others cheat every other app setting lower clock policies for longer battery life. Now tell me how many happy Note users are complaining that their alarm clock or live wallpaper doesn't run at full clock?
If they don't, why do you?
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To see how it stacks up against the competition, I booted up my benchmark test and hit go. On the Geekbench test, it returned a frankly astonishing score of 1,975, putting it just below the powerhouse Galaxy Note 2 and far above the S3. It did similarly well on the CF-Bench test, where it managed to achieve 13,207, again well clear of the S3.
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CNET UK said:
Processor and battery: Though the Nexus 4's data speeds might not be blazingly fast, the 1.5GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro quad-core CPU makes its internal speed swift and smooth. Graphics-intense games like Riptide GP and Asphalt 7 played extremely well, launching and running with no stalls or hiccups. The games both displayed high frame rates with high-resolution graphics.
Because of the phone's ultrafast CPU, gameplay was crisp, smooth, and fast.
(Credit: Josh Miller/CNET)
In addition, average start time for the handset was about 23 seconds, and it took about 1.82 seconds to launch the camera. Browsing on Chrome was a lot smoother on this device than on the Optimus G for some reason. For instance, scrolling down Web pages was executed much more swiftly.
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The GLbenchmarks scores look promising as you would expect. Quallcomm also has a record of drastically improving 3D performance over time with driver updates, let's hope they do the same with the Adreno 320.
Antutu however doesn't seem like it's a good way to measure the Performance of highend smartphones anymore.
The 3D and 2D scores are totally useless as the test are completely Vsync limited meaning that all new Smartphones score the same.
I also doesn't seem right that the Tegra 3 has a higher CPU score at the same clockspeed.
It's about time someone develops a decent benchmark suite for android.
This shouldn't be a surprise since the power of the Adreno 320 is mainly the SGX 543MP2 and SGX543MP4. So it has half the (GPU)power of the iPad 3, though it's sorta close to the iPhone 5(SGX543MP3). I'm actually surprised that Android phones haven't been using the SGX solution--would've been epic if the Nexus 4 had the SGX Rogue.
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This shouldn't be a surprise since the power of the Adreno 320 is mainly the SGX 543MP2 and SGX543MP4. So it has half the (GPU)power of the iPad 3, though it's sorta close to the iPhone 5(SGX543MP3). I'm actually surprised that Android phones haven't been using the SGX solution--would've been epic if the Nexus 4 had the SGX Rogue.
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HMM Nexus 4 beat Ipad 3 in most of the tests
but in low level benchmark ipad win not sure why
Any quadrant scores please?
Ace42 said:
This shouldn't be a surprise since the power of the Adreno 320 is mainly the SGX 543MP2 and SGX543MP4. So it has half the (GPU)power of the iPad 3, though it's sorta close to the iPhone 5(SGX543MP3). I'm actually surprised that Android phones haven't been using the SGX solution--would've been epic if the Nexus 4 had the SGX Rogue.
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Im pretty sure the Gnex and NexusS had SGX's cards
Anyone have the sunspider scores compared to the iphone5? thanks!
yahyoh said:
HMM Nexus 4 beat Ipad 3 in most of the tests
but in low level benchmark ipad win not sure why
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You have to take into account that iPhone has a higher resolution screen than the Nexus 4...
Pertaining hentrite
rkantos said:
You have to take into account that iPhone has a higher resolution screen than the Nexus 4...
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No it doesn't?
EDIT: Oh, you probably meant iPad 3
BatteryCro said:
No it doesn't?
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Im certain he was referring to the iPad 3 that was referenced for comparison.
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HMM Nexus 4 beat Ipad 3 in most of the tests
but in low level benchmark ipad win not sure why
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If we could normalize the iPad3's ridiculous resolution then it would win in every tests--Andantech showed that the Nexus 4 is between the iPad 2 & iPad 3 in terms of power(GPU).
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Im pretty sure the Gnex and NexusS had SGX's cards
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Yes that's correct(including every Galaxy S1 phone aka Hummingbird chips). Though I meant to say that no Android phone has a *modern* SGX model like the 544/543.
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You have to take into account that iPhone has a higher resolution screen than the Nexus 4...
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Yeah if the iPad has a logical resolution then the scores would be different.
Damn that total disappoint benchmarks compared to Exynos 4412 in note 2
my old s2 get 1350ms in sunspider with stock cpu speed + cm10
Edit : WTF my s2 get 1500 point in vellamo
I guess I'm slow. Can someone explain to me how it is that the Nexus 4 and Optimus g are getting such different scores? The only thing I can figure is the kernel needs refining on the Nexus.
estallings15 said:
I guess I'm slow. Can someone explain to me how it is that the Nexus 4 and Optimus g are getting such different scores? The only thing I can figure is the kernel needs refining on the Nexus.
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Only thing that can explain it is the hardware is throttled back.
yahyoh said:
Damn that total disappoint benchmarks compared to Exynos 4412 in note 2
my old s2 get 1350ms in sunspider with stock cpu speed + cm10
Edit : WTF my s2 get 1500 point in vellamo
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My Galaxy S2 got 1960 in Vellamo
and 1200ms in Sunspider running CM10 and Siyah Kernel,
but I wouldn't be too concerned we already know that the S4 pro is a beast, and what's more important is real world performance,
I guess there will be Android 4.2.1 when the device arrives that will improve Javascript perfomance.
Venekor said:
Only thing that can explain it is the hardware is throttled back.
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or maybe stock kernel is piece of crap :silly:
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or maybe stock kernel is piece of crap :silly:
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This
yahyoh said:
or maybe stock kernel is piece of crap :silly:
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Yeah, that's actually what I was thinking. Bring on that source code!
i remember something when i first saw gnex benchmarks i said WTF this crap then after i bought it and flashed CM9 then CM10 or AOKP with Franco or trinty kernel and damn , u feel the phone then worked with full power
Most likely overheating (thermal throttling). Google should have stayed with dual core.
I had the HTC One S before, but wanted the Google Nexus experience (vanilla Android, latest updates (and on this phone compared to the One S quad core, 2GB RAM, etc..) and the price was too good to pass up. I mean, the value for money with this phone is amazing, I don't think I have ever seen, or will ever see better, but...
Coming from the One S, it seems like a huge step down. The phone seems a lot bigger in comparison (mainly width and especially depth), yet when taking into consideration the on screen back/home buttons, the screen is pretty much the same size, but a little wider (maybe 5mm)
Also, when doing a Quadrant test, the One S looks much smoother on the video parts, and the overall score is miles better (score of 6452 vs 4798) on everything
One S v Nexus 4
CPU: 9211 v 10402
RAM: 12383 v 7020
I/O: 7408 v 4149
2D: 1014 v 247
3D: 2245 v 2173
The One S also has HTC Sense which I like (but can live without)
Maybe I will get used to this phone, or just appreciate it more when the next update comes out, but in the mean time I don't really see a huge improvement in speed/responsiveness or the screen over the One S
I can imagine it being a huge improvement over plenty of other phones however, but I think the One S is unbelievably underrated and actually more powerful than I thought it was before. I feel like the Nexus 4 is a downgrade for me right now. I understand the Nexus is thicker because of the wireless charging plate? Well, this is something I would give up for a slimmer phone, especially considering the phone doesn't come with a wireless charging unit.
I don't wanna sound like I'm just bashing the phone, is there anything I should try out on the Nexus 4 that I would be missing on other phones (already tried Photosphere which is great btw)
There is already a nexus 4 vs any other phone thread present as a sticky in which this should have been posted. Didn't need a whole new thread dedicated to this
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Honestly, noone cares...
I think I regret reading your thread
ingenious247 said:
I think I regret reading your thread
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Awe man you beat me to it:good:
Eh, if anything, I'm sure you could probably trade back for a One S.
Both are great phones, but at least you can say you gave the Nexus 4 a try.
I don't get why people care so much about the quadrant score. Nexus 4 runs very smooth; no lag at all. Does it makes you feel special when u see a higher number? Most of the stuff OP mentioned could been avoided if he/she done a little research before purchasing N4. It all comes down each user likeness. Now days just Google any phone vs any phone and you will see a very great comparison of every spec.
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badboy47 said:
I don't get why people care so much about the quadrant score. Nexus 4 runs very smooth; no lag at all. Does it makes you feel special when u see a higher number? Most of the stuff OP mentioned could been avoided if he/she done a little research before purchasing N4. It all comes down each user likeness. Now days just Google any phone vs any phone and you will see a very great comparison of every spec.
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This. Quadrant is a random number generator at best.
naripsta said:
Eh, if anything, I'm sure you could probably trade back for a One S.
Both are great phones, but at least you can say you gave the Nexus 4 a try.
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I like the Nexus 4, but I really like the One S too
In fact one thing I just noticed (found in another Google search) is if you put them side by side on a table they're the same depth (of course the One S is slimmer in the middle)
Maybe I need to get used to the feel of it...
I'm gonna use the Nexus 4 for one full week instead of the One S and see how it goes
Anything you recommend me trying out on the N4?
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I don't get why people care so much about the quadrant score. Nexus 4 runs very smooth; no lag at all. Does it makes you feel special when u see a higher number? Most of the stuff OP mentioned could been avoided if he/she done a little research before purchasing N4. It all comes down each user likeness. Now days just Google any phone vs any phone and you will see a very great comparison of every spec.
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Nah I don't care about the Quadrant score, but the scores just really surprised me. I think the RAM comes down to LPDDR2 (low power DDR2 instead of DDR2) and I don't know about the I/O (thought it was all flash storage)
The GPU results surprised me though (the video looks smoother) as I thought the N4 had a dedicated GPU chip?
One of the problems I think is everybody compares phones to the One X, nobody has really done any great One S v Nexus 4 comparisons
The nexus 4 runs fast, is a great phone to use, has sufficient battery life for me, and cost half of the HTC phone you mentioned.
I really don't see the point in running benchmarks all day and not worrying about real usage and real cost. If you want to be a benchmark jockey you will always be running after the latest and greatest phone and lusting after every new phone ever 2 months.
The nexus 4 is a great phone and a solid purchase. If you regret buying it, sell it and get something else. But if your nexus 4 isn't defective in some way realize that the problem is with you and your inability to be happy with anything, and not with the phone that is a great performer and great value. I can already see that you're the kind of guy who will never be happy with anything, as you owned an HTC One S and then bought a phone that came out 6 months later. You won't be happy with anything as long as you see something shinier. You are the perfect customer.
Quadrant gets weird scores on Nexus 4, no one really 100% sure why.
Try Antutu, with a bionic optimised rom (most roms have this now) you get 21000+ scores; Antutu had to be updated when Nexus 4 (with 4.2.1) came out because of weird low scores, quadrant was never updated.
Also get your full screen by removing the nav bar and using something else like pie controls from LMT.
edit.. also '3dmark' test will show you the adreno320 in the nexus4 blowing everything else away.
You're incredibly stupid to base your phone choice over some benchmarks.
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Quadrant gets weird scores on Nexus 4, no one really 100% sure why.
Try Antutu, with a bionic optimised rom (most roms have this now) you get 21000+ scores; Antutu had to be updated when Nexus 4 (with 4.2.1) came out because of weird low scores, quadrant was never updated.
Also get your full screen by removing the nav bar and using something else like pie controls from LMT.
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Yeah, I have seen some people posting Quadrant scores of like 7500+ on the Nexus 4
I'm still running stock everything (unrooted) - maybe I need to just root it and try some different ROMs, etc..
Pie Control looks sweet too, will check it out
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You're incredibly stupid to base your phone choice over some benchmarks.
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leave it out
Quadrant doesnt like 4.2. Antutu and 3Dmark are better guages of performance.
LooieENG said:
Anything you recommend me trying out on the N4?
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Hmm, not sure really. The Nexus 4 is pretty much that, a Nexus device with pure Android. I can see why it may (not saying that it does for you) be boring or not as flashy. But there's not much to try out for the Nexus 4. Everything is pretty basic and minimalistic, and that's why some go for the Nexus I suppose.
With the N4, you get a decent device that can run with the best of them. If you're into flashing ROMs, pretty much almost every ROM posted here will work with very very minimal bugs, if any bugs at that. Although the One S isn't a bad device at all, so it's really up to you. :good:
My Nexus 4 absolutely fly's.. it speeds through everything.
It's all well and good having a number on a screen but I owned a HTC ONE briefly and many apps on that lagged yet run fine on my Nexus 4?
Oh great another one of these threads. IB4L
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Can you please give your phone to me? I will pay you 50 $ because its so not good and you can go back to your wonderfull htc one s... :banghead:
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LooieENG said:
Yeah, I have seen some people posting Quadrant scores of like 7500+ on the Nexus 4
I'm still running stock everything (unrooted) - maybe I need to just root it and try some different ROMs, etc..
Pie Control looks sweet too, will check it out
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yea, if you are running your device at 1.8ghz+ and have other things optimized(custom rom/custom kernel), itll score high. at stock speeds and the stock rom/kernel it will never get close.
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Right now, i'm playing COD strike team.
It really annoys me that iPhone can play this game smoothly, even the previous generation 5S can play this game smoother than the nexus 6.
Is anyone of you playing the game smooth as iOS if not smoother?
Seriously, I'm really ticked off when my phone got all the latest and greatest "adreno 420, snapdragon 805, and all", and yet it's a laughing stock when comparing side by side when playing the same game with my brother on his old 5S...
currently on Sinless, debloated, flashed Sensei, maxed out all 4 core with performance governor :l
A LOT of games are not optimized for our hardware or software...
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dustin4vn said:
Right now, i'm playing COD strike team.
It really annoys me that iPhone can play this game smoothly, even the previous generation 5S can play this game smoother than the nexus 6.
Is anyone of you playing the game smooth as iOS if not smoother?
Seriously, I'm really ticked off when my phone got all the latest and greatest "adreno 420, snapdragon 805, and all", and yet it's a laughing stock when comparing side by side when playing the same game with my brother on his old 5S...
currently on Sinless, debloated, flashed Sensei, maxed out all 4 core with performance governor :l
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Just to let you know, maxing out 4 cores, or forcing them on, probably isn't going to help, if the game doesn't use those cores (under load) then it's useless
I'm guessing it probably doesn't, haven't seen many games use 4 cores properly. Indo however think this is more to do with the gpu
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A LOT of games are not optimized for our hardware or software...
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This.
OP, you griping about an EA game. EA, renowned for churning out bad code and not supporting it. Which is what happens when people support terrible software studios.
There's an entire thread about this in general.
That and your display is 4x the resolution as iphone
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I suggest if you're going to be gaming on a Android device you do it on something other than the Nexus 6.
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I suggest if you're going to be gaming on a Android device you do it on something other than the Nexus 6.
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not trying to be rude but this makes no sense... what other device is there that's better than nexus?
2nd Best processor and CPU for android, other than the K1. Adreno 420, 2.7Ghz Snapdragon 805, on a 6 inch screen.
This is the device to play game on.
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not trying to be rude but this makes no sense... what other device is there that's better than nexus?
2nd Best processor and CPU for android, other than the K1. Adreno 420, 2.7Ghz Snapdragon 805, on a 6 inch screen.
This is the device to play game on.
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what he might be saying is that the n6 is still very new, that many games might not be optimized for it for a while. older games probably might not ever be optimized for the n6, but every newer game ive ran on my n6 runs great. try modern combat 5
Most games I have played on the Nexus including Leo's Fortune and World of Goo run much better than on my S4 and load faster. So, either the games doesn't support well on Android Lollipop or the hardware
If you haven't done it don't forget encryption is going to slow it down also ...
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nexus6R3plicant said:
If you haven't done it don't forget encryption is going to slow it down also ...
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that doesn't slow down performance. what it slows a little is read/write. and it really just is a little. im still completely encrypted, and i bet, in performance, my n6 is near the top.
dustin4vn said:
Right now, i'm playing COD strike team.
It really annoys me that iPhone can play this game smoothly, even the previous generation 5S can play this game smoother than the nexus 6.
Is anyone of you playing the game smooth as iOS if not smoother?
Seriously, I'm really ticked off when my phone got all the latest and greatest "adreno 420, snapdragon 805, and all", and yet it's a laughing stock when comparing side by side when playing the same game with my brother on his old 5S...
currently on Sinless, debloated, flashed Sensei, maxed out all 4 core with performance governor :l
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You're not encrypted, are you? Aside from that, the display on these is a bit of a kick in the nuts. You get the performance of 2560x1440, with the image quality of 1920x1080. Such is the life of RGBG matrix AMOLED resolution cheating. It takes power to move pixels. Even imaginary ones, like all those missing red and blue ones.
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simms22 said:
that doesn't slow down performance. what it slows a little is read/write. and it really just is a little. im still completely encrypted, and i bet, in performance, my n6 is near the top.
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Actually, it most definitely DOES kill performance. If the encryption/decryption was performed on dedicated crypto hardware, then your performance would be the same, but since it is software crypto, it runs on the main CPU. Every CPU cycle used for encryption/decryption is a CPU cycle that can't be used by something else.
simms22 said:
that doesn't slow down performance. what it slows a little is read/write. and it really just is a little. im still completely encrypted, and i bet, in performance, my n6 is near the top.
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I tested both encrypted and unencrypted of my Nexus 6 on AnTuTu Benchmark. The encrypted ver scored 52310 and the unencrytped scored 55610, which is insignificant difference.
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Actually, it most definitely DOES kill performance. If the encryption/decryption was performed on dedicated crypto hardware, then your performance would be the same, but since it is software crypto, it runs on the main CPU. Every CPU cycle used for encryption/decryption is a CPU cycle that can't be used by something else.
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polke45 said:
I tested both encrypted and unencrypted of my Nexus 6 on AnTuTu Benchmark. The encrypted ver scored 52310 and the unencrytped scored 55610, which is insignificant difference.
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still encrypted..
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Exactly. Yes decrypting on the fly uses more cpu, but a lot of games and benchmarks don't do a lot of I/O when running (I'm sure there are exceptions). So the difference in most apps is only at load time, not while playing/using.
What kills me about games running ****ty on Nexus 6 because the games aren't optimized.. Yet Snapdragon 810 is literally months away and Android developers haven't even optimized their apps for Nexus 6 yet. Real class I tell ya why I always tend to go to iOS the developers keep up with technology.
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ztmike said:
What kills me about games running ****ty on Nexus 6 because the games aren't optimized.. Yet Snapdragon 810 is literally months away and Android developers haven't even optimized their apps for Nexus 6 yet. Real class I tell ya why I always tend to go to iOS the developers keep up with technology.
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Seeing how iOS has a, as in one, version of their OS live at just about any given time, it's much easier for the Devs to keep up on compatibility with apps. Android , on the other hand, has about 7,000 fragmented versions, and just as many different phones/hardware combinations to deal with, making it exponentially harder to make everyone happy. Until that changes, it's just something we will have to deal with.
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JasonJoel said:
Exactly. Yes decrypting on the fly uses more cpu, but a lot of games and benchmarks don't do a lot of I/O when running (I'm sure there are exceptions). So the difference in most apps is only at load time, not while playing/using.
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There we go, someone who understands that benchmarks are not real world usage!
Because benchmarks don't test CPU and I/O simultaneously, the CPU overhead CAUSED BY I/O will not have an impact on the benchmark, but REAL WORLD performance depends on both working IN TANDEM.
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ztmike said:
What kills me about games running ****ty on Nexus 6 because the games aren't optimized.. Yet Snapdragon 810 is literally months away and Android developers haven't even optimized their apps for Nexus 6 yet. Real class I tell ya why I always tend to go to iOS the developers keep up with technology.
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You know why iCrap software developers can keep up with the technology? Its because the technology is not keeping up with the TIMES.
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There we go, someone who understands that benchmarks are not real world usage!
Because benchmarks don't test CPU and I/O simultaneously, the CPU overhead CAUSED BY I/O will not have an impact on the benchmark, but REAL WORLD performance depends on both working IN TANDEM.
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You know why iCrap software developers can keep up with the technology? Its because the technology is not keeping up with the TIMES.
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That's funny considering their 64bit chip ranks near first. No Android fanboy I like both camps.
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ive been seeing quite a few benchmarking videos of the N6 vs other phones with snapdragon 801 thru 805 and for some reason the N6 is really getting bad quadrant benchies
can anyone confirm or deny?
maybe its been fixed in the quadrant app itself??
People still use quadrant? I don't think that application has been updated in years I doubt I would trust to be accurate .
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Just out of morbid curiosity I looked, its been almost 3 years.
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Beside, benchmarks are not a true indication of real world performance. I would take them with a massive (Shovel sized) Pinch of salt.
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ive been seeing quite a few benchmarking videos of the N6 vs other phones with snapdragon 801 thru 805 and for some reason the N6 is really getting bad quadrant benchies
can anyone confirm or deny?
maybe its been fixed in the quadrant app itself??
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What is a bad quadrant result? Mine's showing 12907. The next one down in their list is HTC One X at something around 4000.
A little note about the quadrant tests; when it runs through the CPU tests, it bounces through them so quickly that it doesn't even have a chance to "settle" into the test. I test lengths are obviously hardcoded by number of operations, rather than by time, or an intelligent "steady state" algorithm. It probably doesn't even have a chance to turn on all the CPUs and run them up to full speed before the tests are over.
en11gma said:
ive been seeing quite a few benchmarking videos of the N6 vs other phones with snapdragon 801 thru 805 and for some reason the N6 is really getting bad quadrant benchies
can anyone confirm or deny?
maybe its been fixed in the quadrant app itself??
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quadrant? that's out-dated. better try with geekbench and antutu or may be 3D mark. BTW at the end of day, benchmarks are just some numbers, real-time performance matters
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quadrant? that's out-dated. better try with geekbench and antutu or may be 3D mark. BTW at the end of day, benchmarks are just some numbers, real-time performance matters
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i know all about the benchmarks and all that.
i want to know why the G3's snapdragon 805 is not getting what the other 805's are getting
as a matter of fact is about 25%-50% less
this is not an error in the software
right?
en11gma said:
i know all about the benchmarks and all that.
i want to know why the G3's snapdragon 805 is not getting what the other 805's are getting
as a matter of fact is about 25%-50% less
this is not an error in the software
right?
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LOL. G3 is equipped with a Snapdragon 801 chip. Gsmarena is there to prove my statement G3 has a Korean version which has SD 805. Global version has SD 801
en11gma said:
i know all about the benchmarks and all that.
i want to know why the G3's snapdragon 805 is not getting what the other 805's are getting
as a matter of fact is about 25%-50% less
this is not an error in the software
right?
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Probably ask in the G3 forum, but @doitright answered the question with quadrant
SAW_JOK3R said:
LOL. G3 is equipped with a Snapdragon 801 chip. Gsmarena is there to prove my statement G3 has a Korean version which has SD 805. Global version has SD 801
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reguardless why is the G3 scoring less in quadrant
wait i just woke up
its the N6 that is scoring less
why is it scoring ALOT less
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reguardless why is the G3 scoring less in quadrant
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"Less" comparing with?
SAW_JOK3R said:
"Less" comparing with?
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N6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzjWFDa9PXI&t=50
13,000
note 4 + G3 and note 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj0X9e7LiPs&t=160
23,000 + 24,000 + 23,000
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N6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzjWFDa9PXI&t=50
13,000
note 4 + G3 and note 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj0X9e7LiPs&t=160
23,000 + 24,000 + 23,000
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Mostly compatibility issue with Lollipop. If you notice, Note 4 and G3 was running on kitkat. BTW if you test on AnTuTu, Nexus 6 scores actually higher than Note 4 and G3
SAW_JOK3R said:
Mostly compatibility issue with Lollipop. If you notice, Note 4 and G3 was running on kitkat. BTW if you test on AnTuTu, Nexus 6 scores actually higher than Note 4 and G3
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i knew there had to be a good answer and it sounds like you got it.
i kept seeing that all other benchmark apps the N6 scrored correctly but that quadrant just kept puzzling me.
so its most likely LP that is causing some problem itself.
(i have seen LP cause other problems like in gps status toolbox) so i believe ya.
just wanted to make sure there wasnt some piece of hardware that was causing these abnormally low benchies.
thanks for the good answer
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i knew there had to be a good answer and it sounds like you got it.
i kept seeing that all other benchmark apps the N6 scrored correctly but that quadrant just kept puzzling me.
so its most likely LP that is causing some problem itself.
(i have seen LP cause other problems like in gps status toolbox) so i believe ya.
just wanted to make sure there wasnt some piece of hardware that was causing these abnormally low benchies.
thanks for the good answer
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Thanks for the compliment, really appreciate it I just ran quadrant on my Shamu and found the low score. The app is really old now. Last updated on on June, 2012. It used to be a great benchmarking app but now the major change is lollipop is actually making it to demand for an update.
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so its most likely LP that is causing some problem itself.
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No. Quadrant is causing the problem. It hasn't been updated for 3 years.
I wish google play had a way to filter apps that havent been updated for years at users discretion.
rootSU said:
No. Quadrant is causing the problem. It hasn't been updated for 3 years.
I wish google play had a way to filter apps that havent been updated for years at users discretion.
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you are wrong my friend
these phones all have the snapdragon 805
if it works on one it should work fine on the other
gps status toolbox is updated regularly
it also does not work on LP
en11gma said:
you are wrong my friend
these phones all have the snapdragon 805
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No, I am not wrong. Quadrant hasn't been updated to benchmark with lollipop. That is why the other phones get higher scores because they use older android versions. Lollipop is very VERY different from Kit Kat. The ****Problem*** is NOT lollipop. The problem is quadrant.
Kindly keep your comments to yourself if you don't know what you're talking about.
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No, I am not wrong. Quadrant hasn't been updated to benchmark with lollipop. That is why the other phones get higher scores because they use older android versions. Lollipop is very VERY different from Kit Kat. The ****Problem*** is NOT lollipop. The problem is quadrant.
Kindly keep your comments to yourself if you don't know what you're talking about.
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the other guy already covered this
you just saying the same thing but instead of blaming LP you are blaming the app
the app RUNS (quadrant)
it dont force close
there are other APPS that have this same problem with LP and these apps ARE updated regularly
gps status toolbox is one of them
it dont force close either
it just dont run correctly like quadrant (on L)
en11gma said:
the other guy already covered this
you just saying the same thing but instead of blaming LP you are blaming the app
the app RUNS (quadrant)
it dont force close
there are other APPS that have this same problem with LP and these apps ARE updated regularly
gps status toolbox is one of them
it dont force close either
it just dont run correctly like quadrant (on L)
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It's pointless discussing this with you. you clearly understand nothing. The problem is the app. It is not designed to Benchmark LP. Whether it runs or not is completely irrelevant. If you cannot understand this then there is no hope for you. Stop asking questions if you're unwilling to try and understand the answers.
I have been working far too long on this phone to make it perform as all other Snapdragon 821 phones perform.
I have zero understanding as to why this thing is so much slower.
Check the Antutu Benchmark results to see what I mean, most Snapdragon 821 phones are in the top 10 devices yet the Xiaomi Mi Mix is below the 20 mark and even beaten by a few Snapdragon 820 phones.
I can tell the difference greatly with both the OnePlus 3T and the Xiaomi Mi Mix right beside each other playing the same game.
Is there any way we can somehow improve the performance on this device.
I have tried running the CPU and GPU in performance mode , disabling the Thermal throttling with Kernal Auditor , underclocking to match the OnePlus 3T's lower clock speed. The CPU temp never goes above 38 celcius so it can't be throttling.
Wiped reformatted , tried Lineage , Epic ROM , Stock , Resurrection ROM and they all still underperform and as far as I know these are all odexed.
Please if anyone has any ideas let me know I'll try anything.
you must be high, it is on par with my galaxy s8
try a custom rom, like resurrection, and u will have a op3t performance.
i feel it pretty weird tho, for example, i just have the Mi5 (not s) and 32GB (LPDDR3), and i score 149-150K on Antutu, meanwhile the 64GB+ (LPDDR4) users score like 160-165K
and i saw a Mi5S scoring near 170K too, using MIUI tho and not custom roms, meanwhile on the normal Mi5 i score a lot more in Custom than in MIUI
Anyways don't take much in mind Antutu, it is very variable
the weird thing here is, that is going slow compared to the 3T, when it shouldn't
zabihjan said:
you must be high, it is on par with my galaxy s8
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The device runs just fine when doing day to day tasks but when trying to play CPU intensive emulators it is much slower than the OnePlus 3.
This should not be expected as the specs are the same.
I am using the same version of the emulator on both devices with the exact same settings and the OnePlus 3 is always 10% to 20% faster on every game.
That adds up almost exactly to the Antutu score difference.
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try a custom rom, like resurrection, and u will have a op3t performance.
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I have tried Lineage , Stock , Epic and Resurrection all with very minimal gains.
panchovix said:
i feel it pretty weird tho, for example, i just have the Mi5 (not s) and 32GB (LPDDR3), and i score 149-150K on Antutu, meanwhile the 64GB+ (LPDDR4) users score like 160-165K
and i saw a Mi5S scoring near 170K too, using MIUI tho and not custom roms, meanwhile on the normal Mi5 i score a lot more in Custom than in MIUI
Anyways don't take much in mind Antutu, it is very variable
the weird thing here is, that is going slow compared to the 3T, when it shouldn't
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I looked into the details of the Antutu scores and the failing scores are mainly attributed the 3D processing sections, if it's not hardware then it must be software right.
There's no reason for this.
The only thing I haven't tried is a custom CPU governor , software driver manipulation , removing Qualcomm MP decision.
If you have any ideas or have done any work on this let me know, there is basically no information on the internet on why a soc would perform so poorly unless it was due to poor drivers or thermal throttling.
It might be cause MIUI's temperature control，you can try to delete it.
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I think 3Dmark will be better,maybe.
aauugg said:
It might be cause MIUI's temperature control，you can try to delete it.
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I too think so. When i ran Antutu(device was cool a bit); it wasnt getting full throttle because of thermal throttling although i disable it. What do you mean by 'try to delete it' though?
There is no custom kernel support on this device, somehow, nobody(devs i mean) interested in miui-kernel. The device has really bad kernel management, especially while getting charged from low percentages; feels the death. Perhaps shut down whole the cores smh.
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I think people should focus less on synthetic benchmarks and more on actual user experience... Just my two cents. The phone runs perfectly well, never encountered any sort of slowness or performance issues.
I've tried different ROMs (xiaomi.eu, epic, RR official and unofficial).
With stock MIUI (Android 6.0 based) antutu score: 145000
With stock MIUI (Android 7.0 based), RR and Epic antutu score: 160000 and over
My personal advice: don't worry too much for benchmark score, it doesn't represent the real potential of the smartphone.
I can't see differences in speed with all the ROMs. The Mi Mix works great in every condition.
My point wasn't getting a bad antutu score, the point was 'thermal throttling' trouble when device getting forced to slow down easily. Even performance governor gets no fuğk. Im checking real-time cpu and battery temperatures btw, no higher temps in case. There is no big deal tho, just getting some UI glitches in some apps makes me confused.
And the other thing while charging etc, whatever. I god dam like this device and Miui.
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There are better benchmarks than antutu... Mi mix goes.... FAST.(with little tweak)
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I too think so. When i ran Antutu(device was cool a bit); it wasnt getting full throttle because of thermal throttling although i disable it. What do you mean by 'try to delete it' though?
There is no custom kernel support on this device, somehow, nobody(devs i mean) interested in miui-kernel. The device has really bad kernel management, especially while getting charged from low percentages; feels the death. Perhaps shut down whole the cores smh.
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There is a file named thermal-engine-8996.conf in MIUI system, it can keep lower temperature but you will also have lower performance，you can google how to delete it.my English is very poor but i still wish it can help you
aauugg said:
There is a file named thermal-engine-8996.conf in MIUI system, it can keep lower temperature but you will also have lower performance，you can google how to delete it.my English is very poor but i still wish it can help you
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Thank you, I will take care of it. [emoji38]
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Thermal-ngine-8996.conf can be edited but mine is unreadable.. notepad++ is not enough... any clue... there is some interesting tweaks to fast charge during longer period and unlock a bit CPU/GPU control... google and xda is your friend but 0 stuff about my unreadable *.conf file...
damn, i'm hot...
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lesscro said:
Thermal-ngine-8996.conf can be edited but mine is unreadable.. notepad++ is not enough... any clue... there is some interesting tweaks to fast charge during longer period and unlock a bit CPU/GPU control... google and xda is your friend but 0 stuff about my unreadable *.conf file...
damn, i'm hot...
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you phone must be rooted or you can't change this file.
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you phone must be rooted or you can't change this file.
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Rooted... and -rw-r--r then standard... then i suppose it seems harcoded by MIUI...
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Rooted... and -rw-r--r then standard... then i suppose it seems harcoded by MIUI...
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I was able to get this removed using ES File explorer
I simply cut it from it's current location and moved it to root, the changes have been quite noticable, runs much better without it and it never gets too hot. Low battery impact here.
NGP-1001 said:
I was able to get this removed using ES File explorer
I simply cut it from it's current location and moved it to root, the changes have been quite noticable, runs much better without it and it never gets too hot. Low battery impact here.
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My Goal isn't to remove it but to edit it... anyway, i will make ty without...