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Galaxy S5 with QHD and Snapdragon 805 announced

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/18/korean-samsung-galaxy-s5-has-qhd-snapdragon-805
Only for Korean market.

Oh Dear.... soon to be an influx of Samsung haters, saying the usual things like Samsung can go to hell, Samsung betrayed us ect ect ect.
Me i will continue to enjoy my bog standard S5, until i decide next year what to replace it with.

Too bad it's a korean exclusive for now

I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...

ShadowLea said:
I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...
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Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?

Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.

jodvova said:
Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?
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So?? I don't get your logic.

paddylaz said:
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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There's been quite a bit of discussion in the M8 comparison thread about the impact of QHD on the LG G3. Cliff notes:
- Performance on S-801 took a pretty big hit
- Battery life took a hit
- Display contrast, black levels, and reflectivity all took hits
S-805 isn't a minor upgrade. It and Adreno 440 should allow QHD to perform as well and most likely better than S-801/1080P. So battery life and the quality of Samsung's QHD display are questions left to answer. The M8 thread also has discussion on the value of going from 1080P to QHD which is really pretty limited.

paddylaz said:
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
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Performance isn't 'canceled out' since the 805 can handle Ultra HD (4K) screens. The following scteenshot is from Qualcomm's site which summarizes the specs of both the 801 and 805. Snapdragon 805 breakdown
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However, QHD content is currently limited to whatever bloat comes pre-installed from Samsung and wallpapers you can find online . As a result, people can't yet take full advantage of of that high res screen until app developers update their apps and there are very little YouTube videos above 1080p.

3GB RAM vs 2GB in the S5.
Great Samsung. Great.

That phone is a beast. But so is the regular galaxy S5. I don't think ppl should be upset really, its business. If you enjoy your phone then just enjoy it.
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There will be little or no QHD (2K) native content. Commercial content will be 1080p or UHD (4K). That means it'll be up and down scaled which impacts image quality. QHD is a marketing ploy of questionable value. Lots of reasons supporting this in the M8 comparison thread.

This is indeed a good read regarding Snapdragon 805's cpu and gpu power.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8035/qualcomm-snapdragon-805-performance-preview
From there I got couple important points:
The 805 can handle a QuadHD resolution device at the same frame rate and with same performance that an 801 can drive a 1080p device.
It is said to use 20% less power and provide 40% more performance compared to an 800 SoC
The 805 has small (comparatively) cpu boost and significant gpu and video engines boost.
The GPU tests were there. It nailed pretty much everything.
The 805 has HEVC HW decoder, but no HEVC HW Acceleration until the 810 SoC comes out in H1 2015.
I personally did not know what HEVC was. It is actually H.265 codec that provides magnificent video output at much lower bitrate than ax264/h.264 encoded video.
I curiously downloaded Big Buck Bunny 1080p encoded with HEVC that sized only 130 MB. The h.264/x264 encoded video was available at the Big Buck Bunny's official website to download which was roughly 700 MB. The 130 MB file indeed provided great output compared to its regular 700MB variant!

The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.

Apoxx said:
The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.
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Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
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Yeah alot of times, many apps have to reload when multitasking, it´s clearly not as good at multitasking as the note3 for instance.

WizeGuyDezignz said:
Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
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So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-600<>1080p/S-800<>QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.

BarryH_GEG said:
So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-6001080p/S-800QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.
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Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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Same here. And it's a Korea exclusive, I don't know why people are whining.
Enviado do meu Galaxy S5

WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
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That´s because the phone hibernates apps before it ever reaches full RAM usage. More RAM = more open apps which allows for faster multitasking. You´d think this was basic knowledge by now.
I´m sure you all have switched to an open app only to have it reload like it was first opened.
Coming from an iPhone with 1GB of ram I am overly aware of this issue.
And no I do not want the new S5, I just wish Samsung had put 3gb in the S5 in the first place, like they did in the note3.

Video Reviews

Video reviews, now organized by date.
03/09/2014 - Marques Brownlee - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Impressions!
03/09/2014 - Btekt - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 hands on - IFA 2014
26/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Unboxing
27/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 In Depth Part 1: Fingerprint
28/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Front Facing Wide-Angle 2K
29/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Adaptive Fast Charging
30/09/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Benchmarks - (Thanks @emix)
30/09/2014 - Android Authority - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Unboxing and First Impressions!
01/10/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 + 128GB micro SDXC SanDisk Test
02/10/2014 - Android Authority - Samsung Galaxy Note 4: S Pen
02/10/2014 - TacticalMissions - Galaxy Note 4 Ultra Slow Motion, 4K, 16 Megapixel Camera Test (Thanks @TacticalMission)
03/10/2014 - Android Authority - Multitasking
03/10/2014 - UNDERkg - All the Galaxy Note 4 side by side
04/10/2014 - GSMArena - Hands on
05/10/2014 - The Daily Note.Net - S-View Cover
05/10/2014 - Android Authority - Full Review
06/10/2014 - MsBlackoreanlady - One week after
07/10/2014 - ThePapiGfunk - Gaming On The NEW Samsung Galaxy Note 4! [HD]
07/10/2014 - Danny Winget - Nice review (thanks again Emix)
11/10/2014 - PhoneArena - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Review
11/10/2014 - DetroidBORG - Samsung Galaxy Note 4: Unboxing & Review
15/10/2014 - PocketNow - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Review: The Best of What's Big
17/10/2014 - Btekt - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 speed sketching!
17/10/2014 - MobileTechReview - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Review
17/10/2014 - Flossy Carter - Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Unboxing
23/10/2014 - Galaxy Note 4 Unboxing and First Impressions!
24/10/2014 - Well, not exactly a review (nor english) but we can see the Dual SIM slots here

Wow! The fingerprint works pretty good. I was worried about it. That is the only feature i likes on Apple devices. But this is very good now.

JoganJani said:
Wow! The fingerprint works pretty good. I was worried about it. That is the only feature i likes on Apple devices. But this is very good now.
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Agreed, seems better than on Galaxy S5. But, well... would be even better if we could just rest the finger on it instead of scrolling (like on iPhone) but still pretty neat.

joelteixeira said:
Agreed, seems better than on Galaxy S5. But, well... would be even better if we could just rest the finger on it instead of scrolling (like on iPhone) but still pretty neat.
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I guess if samsung copied that idea apple would try to sue, so samsung were left to try something else.

RCJ89 said:
I guess if samsung copied that idea apple would try to sue, so samsung were left to try something else.
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It's possible RCJ89 but I don't know for sure if Apple could sue for this... Motorola Atrix had fingerprint sensors years ago and I think that the improvement on the way it "reads" it's a natural evolution. But anyway, they sue for everything.

joelteixeira said:
It's possible RCJ89 but I don't know for sure if Apple could sue for this... Motorola Atrix had fingerprint sensors years ago and I think that the improvement on the way it "reads" it's a natural evolution. But anyway, they sue for everything.
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Apple is sue master (seuing machine ; ). They can sue for anything. I saw they were sueing for mere scrolling effect. They sew for icon pattern, Search feature etc.
If apple's sell is down...or competition is hard, then apple fires from sue machin.
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ipsuvedi said:
Apple is sue master (seuing machine ; ). They can sue for anything. I saw they were sueing for mere scrolling effect. They sew for icon pattern, Search feature etc.
If apple's sell is down...or competition is hard, then apple fires from sue machin.
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True fact! They not even know the meaning of innovation anymore. :\

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Thanks Emix, updating the original post with this new video.

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Why does the Note 3 destroy the Note 4 in several of these benchmarks??

Low FPS on -screen is expected, but off-screen? There's something wrong

gabrielgon said:
Low FPS on -screen is expected, but off-screen? There's something wrong
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The benchmarks used are all pointless, except Antutu. If you want to test the GPU no benchmark beats 3D Mark (The physics test is also great for testing the CPU speed).

Toss3 said:
The benchmarks used are all pointless, except Antutu. If you want to test the GPU no benchmark beats 3D Mark (The physics test is also great for testing the CPU speed).
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Hope you're right! Gotta wait and see, but this lack of information even after S. Korea's release is killing me.

New video on first post guys. 128GB MicroSD Card :good:

Toss3 said:
The benchmarks used are all pointless, except Antutu. If you want to test the GPU no benchmark beats 3D Mark (The physics test is also great for testing the CPU speed).
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DelBoy, who has an enynos version, posted the score of 16.239 on 3D Mark, which is less then the 17~18k from S5 (S801) and far behind the 19k from S5 "Prime" (S805).
What now? Maybe we should start considering that the 5433 isn't that great, at least for gaming.

gabrielgon said:
DelBoy, who has an enynos version, posted the score of 16.239 on 3D Mark, which is less then the 17~18k from S5 (S801) and far behind the 19k from S5 "Prime" (S805).
What now? Maybe we should start considering that the 5433 isn't that great, at least for gaming.
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I know, thought the Mali T760 would have been a lot faster (could still be due to unoptimised drivers (the results aren't consistent)), but still the CPU is what matters when it comes to a smooth performing phone.
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Some reviews of LG G3 were stating that SD801 (GPU) was not the optimal driver for running the whole system in QHD! I wonder now what will they will say with Note 4 Exynos GPU which is weaker than SD801 , it is at Note 3 SD800 level instead of SD805 level

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Some reviews of LG G3 were stating that SD801 (GPU) was not the optimal driver for running the whole system in QHD! I wonder now what will they will say with Note 4 Exynos GPU which is weaker than SD801 , it is at Note 3 SD800 level instead of SD805 level
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I had a Tegra 3 device (LG 4X HD) and they had this same optimization bla bla which NEVER came. The phone was fast for the time (2012), but not so good for gaming.
I wouldn't say the GPU is weaker than S801, but it's starting to look like less powerful than S805 for sure.
Do you think after unlocking to 64-bit would increase the GPU performance or this is just a long shot?

I think Samsung intentionally kept the GPU down, probably they will go all out in Exynos 7420. Otherwise can't explain why the kept the memory bandwidth so low. 760 can have upto 16 cores, at 10 core count it should be on par with K1.

gabrielgon said:
Do you think after unlocking to 64-bit would increase the GPU performance or this is just a long shot?
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The performance may go up but that's for CPU I don't know or expect GPU improvement other than possible future update of GPU drivers.
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I think Samsung intentionally kept the GPU down, probably they will go all out in Exynos 7420. Otherwise can't explain why the kept the memory bandwidth so low. 760 can have upto 16 cores, at 10 core count it should be on par with K1.
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Hey man , that scores you have posted are nowhere near from what I have seen from 2 members here in XDA. And the scores that I found show that it is close to Adreno 330 levels. Samusung should have at least match it close to Adreni 420.

Note 4 GPU

Hi Guys,
I just got Note 4 yesterday, screen is beautiful, build is good but I am a bit disappointed with the GPU performance.
I know it has the latest and the greatest GPU, but when I do play Real Racing 3 I can feel it lagging and sluggish.
It's the Snapdragon version 910G and the phone is not on powersave mode.
Even my older Nexus 5 runs RR 3 in beautiful detail and smooth graphics.
Leave the RR3, even the overall performance feels a bit sluggish. Probably due to the insanely high resolution of the screen that the hardware can't handle?
Any one else feels this with note 4?
Thanks.

This the opposite of all feedbacks I'm seeing regarding performance and usability. If you have the chance please try side by side with another unit and consider return yours.

Hi Joel,
Thanks for your reply, the device is amazing no doubt. But my only issue is its graphics performance. Not talking about benchmarks but a real test with Real Racing 3, it's lagging ?

faisalee said:
Hi Joel,
Thanks for your reply, the device is amazing no doubt. But my only issue is its graphics performance. Not talking about benchmarks but a real test with Real Racing 3, it's lagging ��
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There is a high chance the game is running in 1080p downscaled anyway. I'm pretty certain that even pushing the high res this GPU has enough power for any game.
I think it's probably just because S805 is still a new SoC so some games not optimized?

I tried rr3 on my exynos version and game is very smooth. Overall performance of phone i dont see any lag at all.

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I tried rr3 on my exynos version and game is very smooth. Overall performance of phone i dont see any lag at all.
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I also just try out at Exynos edition - N910C, it run perfectly smooth, no issue.

Wow then I must be crazy or expecting too much

tmac31 said:
I tried rr3 on my exynos version and game is very smooth. Overall performance of phone i dont see any lag at all.
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how abt the contact and phone lag after clearing ram or rebooting phone? i m asking coz i have an option of buying the sd or exynos version.. only downside of exynos i am worried is the availability of ROMS.. SD version will have more roms to choose i guess.. same happened with ma note 3 which was exynos..
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Wow then I must be crazy or expecting too much
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and i thought the adreno gpu was better according to benchmarks..

cooldoc007 said:
how abt the contact and phone lag after clearing ram or rebooting phone? i m asking coz i have an option of buying the sd or exynos version.. only downside of exynos i am worried is the availability of ROMS.. SD version will have more roms to choose i guess.. same happened with ma note 3 which was exynos..
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and i thought the adreno gpu was better according to benchmarks..
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No lag at pretty much instant.
And about gpu adreno gpus always had better scores but mali gpus always give better performance.
I used note 3 both snapdragon and exynos version adreno 330 almost doubled mali t628 in benchmarks but in games again exynos version was better. Snapdragon was better in general use of phone though but this year seems this seems exynos is better in general use too according to this thread cuz my exynos very smooth and fast in general use.

You should try using the QHD LG G3 with an 801. You will see real lag and dropped frame rates then!

cooldoc007 said:
how abt the contact and phone lag after clearing ram or rebooting phone? i m asking coz i have an option of buying the sd or exynos version.. only downside of exynos i am worried is the availability of ROMS.. SD version will have more roms to choose i guess.. same happened with ma note 3 which was exynos..
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and i thought the adreno gpu was better according to benchmarks..
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Wow then I must be crazy or expecting too much
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Actually this time Exynos GPU is much better.

Just installed and it looks fine to me (snapdragon), terrible game though.

I played Asphalt 8 for 20 minutes and until the end the fps were almost 60.
Here a capture of Gamebench:
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For the first time players real racing 3 may look fine but I have been playing it on iPhone 5, 5s, Nexus 5 and now note 4. All the previous were great and smooth. But note 4 I can feel a certain frame drop. Especially on bigger maps with more cars.
ASPHALT is not so heavy graphics wise compared to RR so 60 frames there is normal

faisalee said:
For the first time players real racing 3 may look fine but I have been playing it on iPhone 5, 5s, Nexus 5 and now note 4. All the previous were great and smooth. But note 4 I can feel a certain frame drop. Especially on bigger maps with more cars.
ASPHALT is not so heavy graphics wise compared to RR so 60 frames there is normal
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If it too easy to get around 60fps in Asphalt why the S5 Prime just got 46fps and the G3 Cat 6 just around 30fps ??
I will try RR3 later.

Lodix said:
I played Asphalt 8 for 20 minutes and until the end the fps were almost 60.
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Hadn't heard about Gamebench, so thanks for posting that!
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Isn't this more of game optimization issue?
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EP2008 said:
Hadn't heard about Gamebench, so thanks for posting that!
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You are wellcome.
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Isn't this more of game optimization issue?
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The Adreno should be more optimized because of more devices having it so...

I have just tried Real Racing on my Snapdragon Note 4 and it lags quite badly, not during gameplay but in UI transition. I have never tried Real Racing on any other devices but as a PC gamer, I think the graphics seems quite bad (there isn't any anti aliasing at all). UI transition is especially bad, such as swiping between car models, which look like PowerPoint slides with no animation effect. Touching on menu and items takes like a second to register. Can't say that I am impressed.

Sounds like an optimization issue really, and with Nexus 6 rocking the same HW I can bet RR3 will be getting an update soon to fix this, I wouldn't worry too much, this phone is barely a month into sale, please keep that in mind.

I'm ticked off with the nexus 6 graphic performance?

Right now, i'm playing COD strike team.
It really annoys me that iPhone can play this game smoothly, even the previous generation 5S can play this game smoother than the nexus 6.
Is anyone of you playing the game smooth as iOS if not smoother?
Seriously, I'm really ticked off when my phone got all the latest and greatest "adreno 420, snapdragon 805, and all", and yet it's a laughing stock when comparing side by side when playing the same game with my brother on his old 5S...
currently on Sinless, debloated, flashed Sensei, maxed out all 4 core with performance governor :l

A LOT of games are not optimized for our hardware or software...
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dustin4vn said:
Right now, i'm playing COD strike team.
It really annoys me that iPhone can play this game smoothly, even the previous generation 5S can play this game smoother than the nexus 6.
Is anyone of you playing the game smooth as iOS if not smoother?
Seriously, I'm really ticked off when my phone got all the latest and greatest "adreno 420, snapdragon 805, and all", and yet it's a laughing stock when comparing side by side when playing the same game with my brother on his old 5S...
currently on Sinless, debloated, flashed Sensei, maxed out all 4 core with performance governor :l
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Just to let you know, maxing out 4 cores, or forcing them on, probably isn't going to help, if the game doesn't use those cores (under load) then it's useless
I'm guessing it probably doesn't, haven't seen many games use 4 cores properly. Indo however think this is more to do with the gpu

stebomurkn420 said:
A LOT of games are not optimized for our hardware or software...
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This.
OP, you griping about an EA game. EA, renowned for churning out bad code and not supporting it. Which is what happens when people support terrible software studios.

There's an entire thread about this in general.

That and your display is 4x the resolution as iphone
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I suggest if you're going to be gaming on a Android device you do it on something other than the Nexus 6.

shook187 said:
I suggest if you're going to be gaming on a Android device you do it on something other than the Nexus 6.
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not trying to be rude but this makes no sense... what other device is there that's better than nexus?
2nd Best processor and CPU for android, other than the K1. Adreno 420, 2.7Ghz Snapdragon 805, on a 6 inch screen.
This is the device to play game on.

dustin4vn said:
not trying to be rude but this makes no sense... what other device is there that's better than nexus?
2nd Best processor and CPU for android, other than the K1. Adreno 420, 2.7Ghz Snapdragon 805, on a 6 inch screen.
This is the device to play game on.
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what he might be saying is that the n6 is still very new, that many games might not be optimized for it for a while. older games probably might not ever be optimized for the n6, but every newer game ive ran on my n6 runs great. try modern combat 5

Most games I have played on the Nexus including Leo's Fortune and World of Goo run much better than on my S4 and load faster. So, either the games doesn't support well on Android Lollipop or the hardware

If you haven't done it don't forget encryption is going to slow it down also ...
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nexus6R3plicant said:
If you haven't done it don't forget encryption is going to slow it down also ...
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that doesn't slow down performance. what it slows a little is read/write. and it really just is a little. im still completely encrypted, and i bet, in performance, my n6 is near the top.

dustin4vn said:
Right now, i'm playing COD strike team.
It really annoys me that iPhone can play this game smoothly, even the previous generation 5S can play this game smoother than the nexus 6.
Is anyone of you playing the game smooth as iOS if not smoother?
Seriously, I'm really ticked off when my phone got all the latest and greatest "adreno 420, snapdragon 805, and all", and yet it's a laughing stock when comparing side by side when playing the same game with my brother on his old 5S...
currently on Sinless, debloated, flashed Sensei, maxed out all 4 core with performance governor :l
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You're not encrypted, are you? Aside from that, the display on these is a bit of a kick in the nuts. You get the performance of 2560x1440, with the image quality of 1920x1080. Such is the life of RGBG matrix AMOLED resolution cheating. It takes power to move pixels. Even imaginary ones, like all those missing red and blue ones.
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simms22 said:
that doesn't slow down performance. what it slows a little is read/write. and it really just is a little. im still completely encrypted, and i bet, in performance, my n6 is near the top.
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Actually, it most definitely DOES kill performance. If the encryption/decryption was performed on dedicated crypto hardware, then your performance would be the same, but since it is software crypto, it runs on the main CPU. Every CPU cycle used for encryption/decryption is a CPU cycle that can't be used by something else.

simms22 said:
that doesn't slow down performance. what it slows a little is read/write. and it really just is a little. im still completely encrypted, and i bet, in performance, my n6 is near the top.
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I tested both encrypted and unencrypted of my Nexus 6 on AnTuTu Benchmark. The encrypted ver scored 52310 and the unencrytped scored 55610, which is insignificant difference.

doitright said:
Actually, it most definitely DOES kill performance. If the encryption/decryption was performed on dedicated crypto hardware, then your performance would be the same, but since it is software crypto, it runs on the main CPU. Every CPU cycle used for encryption/decryption is a CPU cycle that can't be used by something else.
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polke45 said:
I tested both encrypted and unencrypted of my Nexus 6 on AnTuTu Benchmark. The encrypted ver scored 52310 and the unencrytped scored 55610, which is insignificant difference.
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still encrypted..
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Exactly. Yes decrypting on the fly uses more cpu, but a lot of games and benchmarks don't do a lot of I/O when running (I'm sure there are exceptions). So the difference in most apps is only at load time, not while playing/using.

What kills me about games running ****ty on Nexus 6 because the games aren't optimized.. Yet Snapdragon 810 is literally months away and Android developers haven't even optimized their apps for Nexus 6 yet. Real class I tell ya why I always tend to go to iOS the developers keep up with technology.
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ztmike said:
What kills me about games running ****ty on Nexus 6 because the games aren't optimized.. Yet Snapdragon 810 is literally months away and Android developers haven't even optimized their apps for Nexus 6 yet. Real class I tell ya why I always tend to go to iOS the developers keep up with technology.
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Seeing how iOS has a, as in one, version of their OS live at just about any given time, it's much easier for the Devs to keep up on compatibility with apps. Android , on the other hand, has about 7,000 fragmented versions, and just as many different phones/hardware combinations to deal with, making it exponentially harder to make everyone happy. Until that changes, it's just something we will have to deal with.
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JasonJoel said:
Exactly. Yes decrypting on the fly uses more cpu, but a lot of games and benchmarks don't do a lot of I/O when running (I'm sure there are exceptions). So the difference in most apps is only at load time, not while playing/using.
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There we go, someone who understands that benchmarks are not real world usage!
Because benchmarks don't test CPU and I/O simultaneously, the CPU overhead CAUSED BY I/O will not have an impact on the benchmark, but REAL WORLD performance depends on both working IN TANDEM.
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ztmike said:
What kills me about games running ****ty on Nexus 6 because the games aren't optimized.. Yet Snapdragon 810 is literally months away and Android developers haven't even optimized their apps for Nexus 6 yet. Real class I tell ya why I always tend to go to iOS the developers keep up with technology.
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You know why iCrap software developers can keep up with the technology? Its because the technology is not keeping up with the TIMES.

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There we go, someone who understands that benchmarks are not real world usage!
Because benchmarks don't test CPU and I/O simultaneously, the CPU overhead CAUSED BY I/O will not have an impact on the benchmark, but REAL WORLD performance depends on both working IN TANDEM.
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You know why iCrap software developers can keep up with the technology? Its because the technology is not keeping up with the TIMES.
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That's funny considering their 64bit chip ranks near first. No Android fanboy I like both camps.
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Snapdragon 805 perf

ive been seeing quite a few benchmarking videos of the N6 vs other phones with snapdragon 801 thru 805 and for some reason the N6 is really getting bad quadrant benchies
can anyone confirm or deny?
maybe its been fixed in the quadrant app itself??

People still use quadrant? I don't think that application has been updated in years I doubt I would trust to be accurate .
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Just out of morbid curiosity I looked, its been almost 3 years.
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Beside, benchmarks are not a true indication of real world performance. I would take them with a massive (Shovel sized) Pinch of salt.

en11gma said:
ive been seeing quite a few benchmarking videos of the N6 vs other phones with snapdragon 801 thru 805 and for some reason the N6 is really getting bad quadrant benchies
can anyone confirm or deny?
maybe its been fixed in the quadrant app itself??
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What is a bad quadrant result? Mine's showing 12907. The next one down in their list is HTC One X at something around 4000.
A little note about the quadrant tests; when it runs through the CPU tests, it bounces through them so quickly that it doesn't even have a chance to "settle" into the test. I test lengths are obviously hardcoded by number of operations, rather than by time, or an intelligent "steady state" algorithm. It probably doesn't even have a chance to turn on all the CPUs and run them up to full speed before the tests are over.

en11gma said:
ive been seeing quite a few benchmarking videos of the N6 vs other phones with snapdragon 801 thru 805 and for some reason the N6 is really getting bad quadrant benchies
can anyone confirm or deny?
maybe its been fixed in the quadrant app itself??
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quadrant? that's out-dated. better try with geekbench and antutu or may be 3D mark. BTW at the end of day, benchmarks are just some numbers, real-time performance matters

SAW_JOK3R said:
quadrant? that's out-dated. better try with geekbench and antutu or may be 3D mark. BTW at the end of day, benchmarks are just some numbers, real-time performance matters
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i know all about the benchmarks and all that.
i want to know why the G3's snapdragon 805 is not getting what the other 805's are getting
as a matter of fact is about 25%-50% less
this is not an error in the software
right?

en11gma said:
i know all about the benchmarks and all that.
i want to know why the G3's snapdragon 805 is not getting what the other 805's are getting
as a matter of fact is about 25%-50% less
this is not an error in the software
right?
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LOL. G3 is equipped with a Snapdragon 801 chip. Gsmarena is there to prove my statement G3 has a Korean version which has SD 805. Global version has SD 801

en11gma said:
i know all about the benchmarks and all that.
i want to know why the G3's snapdragon 805 is not getting what the other 805's are getting
as a matter of fact is about 25%-50% less
this is not an error in the software
right?
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Probably ask in the G3 forum, but @doitright answered the question with quadrant

SAW_JOK3R said:
LOL. G3 is equipped with a Snapdragon 801 chip. Gsmarena is there to prove my statement G3 has a Korean version which has SD 805. Global version has SD 801
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reguardless why is the G3 scoring less in quadrant
wait i just woke up
its the N6 that is scoring less
why is it scoring ALOT less

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reguardless why is the G3 scoring less in quadrant
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"Less" comparing with?

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"Less" comparing with?
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N6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzjWFDa9PXI&t=50
13,000
note 4 + G3 and note 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj0X9e7LiPs&t=160
23,000 + 24,000 + 23,000

en11gma said:
N6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzjWFDa9PXI&t=50
13,000
note 4 + G3 and note 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj0X9e7LiPs&t=160
23,000 + 24,000 + 23,000
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Mostly compatibility issue with Lollipop. If you notice, Note 4 and G3 was running on kitkat. BTW if you test on AnTuTu, Nexus 6 scores actually higher than Note 4 and G3

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Mostly compatibility issue with Lollipop. If you notice, Note 4 and G3 was running on kitkat. BTW if you test on AnTuTu, Nexus 6 scores actually higher than Note 4 and G3
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i knew there had to be a good answer and it sounds like you got it.
i kept seeing that all other benchmark apps the N6 scrored correctly but that quadrant just kept puzzling me.
so its most likely LP that is causing some problem itself.
(i have seen LP cause other problems like in gps status toolbox) so i believe ya.
just wanted to make sure there wasnt some piece of hardware that was causing these abnormally low benchies.
thanks for the good answer

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i knew there had to be a good answer and it sounds like you got it.
i kept seeing that all other benchmark apps the N6 scrored correctly but that quadrant just kept puzzling me.
so its most likely LP that is causing some problem itself.
(i have seen LP cause other problems like in gps status toolbox) so i believe ya.
just wanted to make sure there wasnt some piece of hardware that was causing these abnormally low benchies.
thanks for the good answer
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Thanks for the compliment, really appreciate it I just ran quadrant on my Shamu and found the low score. The app is really old now. Last updated on on June, 2012. It used to be a great benchmarking app but now the major change is lollipop is actually making it to demand for an update.

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so its most likely LP that is causing some problem itself.
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No. Quadrant is causing the problem. It hasn't been updated for 3 years.
I wish google play had a way to filter apps that havent been updated for years at users discretion.

rootSU said:
No. Quadrant is causing the problem. It hasn't been updated for 3 years.
I wish google play had a way to filter apps that havent been updated for years at users discretion.
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you are wrong my friend
these phones all have the snapdragon 805
if it works on one it should work fine on the other
gps status toolbox is updated regularly
it also does not work on LP

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you are wrong my friend
these phones all have the snapdragon 805
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No, I am not wrong. Quadrant hasn't been updated to benchmark with lollipop. That is why the other phones get higher scores because they use older android versions. Lollipop is very VERY different from Kit Kat. The ****Problem*** is NOT lollipop. The problem is quadrant.
Kindly keep your comments to yourself if you don't know what you're talking about.

rootSU said:
No, I am not wrong. Quadrant hasn't been updated to benchmark with lollipop. That is why the other phones get higher scores because they use older android versions. Lollipop is very VERY different from Kit Kat. The ****Problem*** is NOT lollipop. The problem is quadrant.
Kindly keep your comments to yourself if you don't know what you're talking about.
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the other guy already covered this
you just saying the same thing but instead of blaming LP you are blaming the app
the app RUNS (quadrant)
it dont force close
there are other APPS that have this same problem with LP and these apps ARE updated regularly
gps status toolbox is one of them
it dont force close either
it just dont run correctly like quadrant (on L)

en11gma said:
the other guy already covered this
you just saying the same thing but instead of blaming LP you are blaming the app
the app RUNS (quadrant)
it dont force close
there are other APPS that have this same problem with LP and these apps ARE updated regularly
gps status toolbox is one of them
it dont force close either
it just dont run correctly like quadrant (on L)
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It's pointless discussing this with you. you clearly understand nothing. The problem is the app. It is not designed to Benchmark LP. Whether it runs or not is completely irrelevant. If you cannot understand this then there is no hope for you. Stop asking questions if you're unwilling to try and understand the answers.