Right now, i'm playing COD strike team.
It really annoys me that iPhone can play this game smoothly, even the previous generation 5S can play this game smoother than the nexus 6.
Is anyone of you playing the game smooth as iOS if not smoother?
Seriously, I'm really ticked off when my phone got all the latest and greatest "adreno 420, snapdragon 805, and all", and yet it's a laughing stock when comparing side by side when playing the same game with my brother on his old 5S...
currently on Sinless, debloated, flashed Sensei, maxed out all 4 core with performance governor :l
A LOT of games are not optimized for our hardware or software...
Sent from my Nexus 6 using XDA Free mobile app
dustin4vn said:
Right now, i'm playing COD strike team.
It really annoys me that iPhone can play this game smoothly, even the previous generation 5S can play this game smoother than the nexus 6.
Is anyone of you playing the game smooth as iOS if not smoother?
Seriously, I'm really ticked off when my phone got all the latest and greatest "adreno 420, snapdragon 805, and all", and yet it's a laughing stock when comparing side by side when playing the same game with my brother on his old 5S...
currently on Sinless, debloated, flashed Sensei, maxed out all 4 core with performance governor :l
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just to let you know, maxing out 4 cores, or forcing them on, probably isn't going to help, if the game doesn't use those cores (under load) then it's useless
I'm guessing it probably doesn't, haven't seen many games use 4 cores properly. Indo however think this is more to do with the gpu
stebomurkn420 said:
A LOT of games are not optimized for our hardware or software...
Sent from my Nexus 6 using XDA Free mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This.
OP, you griping about an EA game. EA, renowned for churning out bad code and not supporting it. Which is what happens when people support terrible software studios.
There's an entire thread about this in general.
That and your display is 4x the resolution as iphone
Sent from my Nexus 6 using XDA Free mobile app
I suggest if you're going to be gaming on a Android device you do it on something other than the Nexus 6.
shook187 said:
I suggest if you're going to be gaming on a Android device you do it on something other than the Nexus 6.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
not trying to be rude but this makes no sense... what other device is there that's better than nexus?
2nd Best processor and CPU for android, other than the K1. Adreno 420, 2.7Ghz Snapdragon 805, on a 6 inch screen.
This is the device to play game on.
dustin4vn said:
not trying to be rude but this makes no sense... what other device is there that's better than nexus?
2nd Best processor and CPU for android, other than the K1. Adreno 420, 2.7Ghz Snapdragon 805, on a 6 inch screen.
This is the device to play game on.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
what he might be saying is that the n6 is still very new, that many games might not be optimized for it for a while. older games probably might not ever be optimized for the n6, but every newer game ive ran on my n6 runs great. try modern combat 5
Most games I have played on the Nexus including Leo's Fortune and World of Goo run much better than on my S4 and load faster. So, either the games doesn't support well on Android Lollipop or the hardware
If you haven't done it don't forget encryption is going to slow it down also ...
Sent from my Nexus 6
nexus6R3plicant said:
If you haven't done it don't forget encryption is going to slow it down also ...
Sent from my Nexus 6
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
that doesn't slow down performance. what it slows a little is read/write. and it really just is a little. im still completely encrypted, and i bet, in performance, my n6 is near the top.
dustin4vn said:
Right now, i'm playing COD strike team.
It really annoys me that iPhone can play this game smoothly, even the previous generation 5S can play this game smoother than the nexus 6.
Is anyone of you playing the game smooth as iOS if not smoother?
Seriously, I'm really ticked off when my phone got all the latest and greatest "adreno 420, snapdragon 805, and all", and yet it's a laughing stock when comparing side by side when playing the same game with my brother on his old 5S...
currently on Sinless, debloated, flashed Sensei, maxed out all 4 core with performance governor :l
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You're not encrypted, are you? Aside from that, the display on these is a bit of a kick in the nuts. You get the performance of 2560x1440, with the image quality of 1920x1080. Such is the life of RGBG matrix AMOLED resolution cheating. It takes power to move pixels. Even imaginary ones, like all those missing red and blue ones.
---------- Post added at 05:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:19 PM ----------
simms22 said:
that doesn't slow down performance. what it slows a little is read/write. and it really just is a little. im still completely encrypted, and i bet, in performance, my n6 is near the top.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Actually, it most definitely DOES kill performance. If the encryption/decryption was performed on dedicated crypto hardware, then your performance would be the same, but since it is software crypto, it runs on the main CPU. Every CPU cycle used for encryption/decryption is a CPU cycle that can't be used by something else.
simms22 said:
that doesn't slow down performance. what it slows a little is read/write. and it really just is a little. im still completely encrypted, and i bet, in performance, my n6 is near the top.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I tested both encrypted and unencrypted of my Nexus 6 on AnTuTu Benchmark. The encrypted ver scored 52310 and the unencrytped scored 55610, which is insignificant difference.
doitright said:
Actually, it most definitely DOES kill performance. If the encryption/decryption was performed on dedicated crypto hardware, then your performance would be the same, but since it is software crypto, it runs on the main CPU. Every CPU cycle used for encryption/decryption is a CPU cycle that can't be used by something else.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
polke45 said:
I tested both encrypted and unencrypted of my Nexus 6 on AnTuTu Benchmark. The encrypted ver scored 52310 and the unencrytped scored 55610, which is insignificant difference.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
still encrypted..
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Exactly. Yes decrypting on the fly uses more cpu, but a lot of games and benchmarks don't do a lot of I/O when running (I'm sure there are exceptions). So the difference in most apps is only at load time, not while playing/using.
What kills me about games running ****ty on Nexus 6 because the games aren't optimized.. Yet Snapdragon 810 is literally months away and Android developers haven't even optimized their apps for Nexus 6 yet. Real class I tell ya why I always tend to go to iOS the developers keep up with technology.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
ztmike said:
What kills me about games running ****ty on Nexus 6 because the games aren't optimized.. Yet Snapdragon 810 is literally months away and Android developers haven't even optimized their apps for Nexus 6 yet. Real class I tell ya why I always tend to go to iOS the developers keep up with technology.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Seeing how iOS has a, as in one, version of their OS live at just about any given time, it's much easier for the Devs to keep up on compatibility with apps. Android , on the other hand, has about 7,000 fragmented versions, and just as many different phones/hardware combinations to deal with, making it exponentially harder to make everyone happy. Until that changes, it's just something we will have to deal with.
Sent from my SinLess Shamu
JasonJoel said:
Exactly. Yes decrypting on the fly uses more cpu, but a lot of games and benchmarks don't do a lot of I/O when running (I'm sure there are exceptions). So the difference in most apps is only at load time, not while playing/using.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There we go, someone who understands that benchmarks are not real world usage!
Because benchmarks don't test CPU and I/O simultaneously, the CPU overhead CAUSED BY I/O will not have an impact on the benchmark, but REAL WORLD performance depends on both working IN TANDEM.
---------- Post added at 04:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:02 PM ----------
ztmike said:
What kills me about games running ****ty on Nexus 6 because the games aren't optimized.. Yet Snapdragon 810 is literally months away and Android developers haven't even optimized their apps for Nexus 6 yet. Real class I tell ya why I always tend to go to iOS the developers keep up with technology.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You know why iCrap software developers can keep up with the technology? Its because the technology is not keeping up with the TIMES.
doitright said:
There we go, someone who understands that benchmarks are not real world usage!
Because benchmarks don't test CPU and I/O simultaneously, the CPU overhead CAUSED BY I/O will not have an impact on the benchmark, but REAL WORLD performance depends on both working IN TANDEM.
---------- Post added at 04:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:02 PM ----------
You know why iCrap software developers can keep up with the technology? Its because the technology is not keeping up with the TIMES.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's funny considering their 64bit chip ranks near first. No Android fanboy I like both camps.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
Related
Antutu
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
GL Benchmark
CNET UK said:
To see how it stacks up against the competition, I booted up my benchmark test and hit go. On the Geekbench test, it returned a frankly astonishing score of 1,975, putting it just below the powerhouse Galaxy Note 2 and far above the S3. It did similarly well on the CF-Bench test, where it managed to achieve 13,207, again well clear of the S3.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
CNET UK said:
Processor and battery: Though the Nexus 4's data speeds might not be blazingly fast, the 1.5GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro quad-core CPU makes its internal speed swift and smooth. Graphics-intense games like Riptide GP and Asphalt 7 played extremely well, launching and running with no stalls or hiccups. The games both displayed high frame rates with high-resolution graphics.
Because of the phone's ultrafast CPU, gameplay was crisp, smooth, and fast.
(Credit: Josh Miller/CNET)
In addition, average start time for the handset was about 23 seconds, and it took about 1.82 seconds to launch the camera. Browsing on Chrome was a lot smoother on this device than on the Optimus G for some reason. For instance, scrolling down Web pages was executed much more swiftly.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The GLbenchmarks scores look promising as you would expect. Quallcomm also has a record of drastically improving 3D performance over time with driver updates, let's hope they do the same with the Adreno 320.
Antutu however doesn't seem like it's a good way to measure the Performance of highend smartphones anymore.
The 3D and 2D scores are totally useless as the test are completely Vsync limited meaning that all new Smartphones score the same.
I also doesn't seem right that the Tegra 3 has a higher CPU score at the same clockspeed.
It's about time someone develops a decent benchmark suite for android.
This shouldn't be a surprise since the power of the Adreno 320 is mainly the SGX 543MP2 and SGX543MP4. So it has half the (GPU)power of the iPad 3, though it's sorta close to the iPhone 5(SGX543MP3). I'm actually surprised that Android phones haven't been using the SGX solution--would've been epic if the Nexus 4 had the SGX Rogue.
Ace42 said:
This shouldn't be a surprise since the power of the Adreno 320 is mainly the SGX 543MP2 and SGX543MP4. So it has half the (GPU)power of the iPad 3, though it's sorta close to the iPhone 5(SGX543MP3). I'm actually surprised that Android phones haven't been using the SGX solution--would've been epic if the Nexus 4 had the SGX Rogue.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
HMM Nexus 4 beat Ipad 3 in most of the tests
but in low level benchmark ipad win not sure why
Any quadrant scores please?
Ace42 said:
This shouldn't be a surprise since the power of the Adreno 320 is mainly the SGX 543MP2 and SGX543MP4. So it has half the (GPU)power of the iPad 3, though it's sorta close to the iPhone 5(SGX543MP3). I'm actually surprised that Android phones haven't been using the SGX solution--would've been epic if the Nexus 4 had the SGX Rogue.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Im pretty sure the Gnex and NexusS had SGX's cards
Anyone have the sunspider scores compared to the iphone5? thanks!
yahyoh said:
HMM Nexus 4 beat Ipad 3 in most of the tests
but in low level benchmark ipad win not sure why
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You have to take into account that iPhone has a higher resolution screen than the Nexus 4...
Pertaining hentrite
rkantos said:
You have to take into account that iPhone has a higher resolution screen than the Nexus 4...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No it doesn't?
EDIT: Oh, you probably meant iPad 3
BatteryCro said:
No it doesn't?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Im certain he was referring to the iPad 3 that was referenced for comparison.
yahyoh said:
HMM Nexus 4 beat Ipad 3 in most of the tests
but in low level benchmark ipad win not sure why
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If we could normalize the iPad3's ridiculous resolution then it would win in every tests--Andantech showed that the Nexus 4 is between the iPad 2 & iPad 3 in terms of power(GPU).
BennyJr said:
Im pretty sure the Gnex and NexusS had SGX's cards
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes that's correct(including every Galaxy S1 phone aka Hummingbird chips). Though I meant to say that no Android phone has a *modern* SGX model like the 544/543.
rkantos said:
You have to take into account that iPhone has a higher resolution screen than the Nexus 4...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah if the iPad has a logical resolution then the scores would be different.
Damn that total disappoint benchmarks compared to Exynos 4412 in note 2
my old s2 get 1350ms in sunspider with stock cpu speed + cm10
Edit : WTF my s2 get 1500 point in vellamo
I guess I'm slow. Can someone explain to me how it is that the Nexus 4 and Optimus g are getting such different scores? The only thing I can figure is the kernel needs refining on the Nexus.
estallings15 said:
I guess I'm slow. Can someone explain to me how it is that the Nexus 4 and Optimus g are getting such different scores? The only thing I can figure is the kernel needs refining on the Nexus.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Only thing that can explain it is the hardware is throttled back.
yahyoh said:
Damn that total disappoint benchmarks compared to Exynos 4412 in note 2
my old s2 get 1350ms in sunspider with stock cpu speed + cm10
Edit : WTF my s2 get 1500 point in vellamo
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My Galaxy S2 got 1960 in Vellamo
and 1200ms in Sunspider running CM10 and Siyah Kernel,
but I wouldn't be too concerned we already know that the S4 pro is a beast, and what's more important is real world performance,
I guess there will be Android 4.2.1 when the device arrives that will improve Javascript perfomance.
Venekor said:
Only thing that can explain it is the hardware is throttled back.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
or maybe stock kernel is piece of crap :silly:
yahyoh said:
or maybe stock kernel is piece of crap :silly:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This
yahyoh said:
or maybe stock kernel is piece of crap :silly:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, that's actually what I was thinking. Bring on that source code!
i remember something when i first saw gnex benchmarks i said WTF this crap then after i bought it and flashed CM9 then CM10 or AOKP with Franco or trinty kernel and damn , u feel the phone then worked with full power
Most likely overheating (thermal throttling). Google should have stayed with dual core.
I had the HTC One S before, but wanted the Google Nexus experience (vanilla Android, latest updates (and on this phone compared to the One S quad core, 2GB RAM, etc..) and the price was too good to pass up. I mean, the value for money with this phone is amazing, I don't think I have ever seen, or will ever see better, but...
Coming from the One S, it seems like a huge step down. The phone seems a lot bigger in comparison (mainly width and especially depth), yet when taking into consideration the on screen back/home buttons, the screen is pretty much the same size, but a little wider (maybe 5mm)
Also, when doing a Quadrant test, the One S looks much smoother on the video parts, and the overall score is miles better (score of 6452 vs 4798) on everything
One S v Nexus 4
CPU: 9211 v 10402
RAM: 12383 v 7020
I/O: 7408 v 4149
2D: 1014 v 247
3D: 2245 v 2173
The One S also has HTC Sense which I like (but can live without)
Maybe I will get used to this phone, or just appreciate it more when the next update comes out, but in the mean time I don't really see a huge improvement in speed/responsiveness or the screen over the One S
I can imagine it being a huge improvement over plenty of other phones however, but I think the One S is unbelievably underrated and actually more powerful than I thought it was before. I feel like the Nexus 4 is a downgrade for me right now. I understand the Nexus is thicker because of the wireless charging plate? Well, this is something I would give up for a slimmer phone, especially considering the phone doesn't come with a wireless charging unit.
I don't wanna sound like I'm just bashing the phone, is there anything I should try out on the Nexus 4 that I would be missing on other phones (already tried Photosphere which is great btw)
There is already a nexus 4 vs any other phone thread present as a sticky in which this should have been posted. Didn't need a whole new thread dedicated to this
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
Honestly, noone cares...
I think I regret reading your thread
ingenious247 said:
I think I regret reading your thread
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Awe man you beat me to it:good:
Eh, if anything, I'm sure you could probably trade back for a One S.
Both are great phones, but at least you can say you gave the Nexus 4 a try.
I don't get why people care so much about the quadrant score. Nexus 4 runs very smooth; no lag at all. Does it makes you feel special when u see a higher number? Most of the stuff OP mentioned could been avoided if he/she done a little research before purchasing N4. It all comes down each user likeness. Now days just Google any phone vs any phone and you will see a very great comparison of every spec.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium
badboy47 said:
I don't get why people care so much about the quadrant score. Nexus 4 runs very smooth; no lag at all. Does it makes you feel special when u see a higher number? Most of the stuff OP mentioned could been avoided if he/she done a little research before purchasing N4. It all comes down each user likeness. Now days just Google any phone vs any phone and you will see a very great comparison of every spec.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This. Quadrant is a random number generator at best.
naripsta said:
Eh, if anything, I'm sure you could probably trade back for a One S.
Both are great phones, but at least you can say you gave the Nexus 4 a try.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I like the Nexus 4, but I really like the One S too
In fact one thing I just noticed (found in another Google search) is if you put them side by side on a table they're the same depth (of course the One S is slimmer in the middle)
Maybe I need to get used to the feel of it...
I'm gonna use the Nexus 4 for one full week instead of the One S and see how it goes
Anything you recommend me trying out on the N4?
badboy47 said:
I don't get why people care so much about the quadrant score. Nexus 4 runs very smooth; no lag at all. Does it makes you feel special when u see a higher number? Most of the stuff OP mentioned could been avoided if he/she done a little research before purchasing N4. It all comes down each user likeness. Now days just Google any phone vs any phone and you will see a very great comparison of every spec.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nah I don't care about the Quadrant score, but the scores just really surprised me. I think the RAM comes down to LPDDR2 (low power DDR2 instead of DDR2) and I don't know about the I/O (thought it was all flash storage)
The GPU results surprised me though (the video looks smoother) as I thought the N4 had a dedicated GPU chip?
One of the problems I think is everybody compares phones to the One X, nobody has really done any great One S v Nexus 4 comparisons
The nexus 4 runs fast, is a great phone to use, has sufficient battery life for me, and cost half of the HTC phone you mentioned.
I really don't see the point in running benchmarks all day and not worrying about real usage and real cost. If you want to be a benchmark jockey you will always be running after the latest and greatest phone and lusting after every new phone ever 2 months.
The nexus 4 is a great phone and a solid purchase. If you regret buying it, sell it and get something else. But if your nexus 4 isn't defective in some way realize that the problem is with you and your inability to be happy with anything, and not with the phone that is a great performer and great value. I can already see that you're the kind of guy who will never be happy with anything, as you owned an HTC One S and then bought a phone that came out 6 months later. You won't be happy with anything as long as you see something shinier. You are the perfect customer.
Quadrant gets weird scores on Nexus 4, no one really 100% sure why.
Try Antutu, with a bionic optimised rom (most roms have this now) you get 21000+ scores; Antutu had to be updated when Nexus 4 (with 4.2.1) came out because of weird low scores, quadrant was never updated.
Also get your full screen by removing the nav bar and using something else like pie controls from LMT.
edit.. also '3dmark' test will show you the adreno320 in the nexus4 blowing everything else away.
You're incredibly stupid to base your phone choice over some benchmarks.
meangreenie said:
Quadrant gets weird scores on Nexus 4, no one really 100% sure why.
Try Antutu, with a bionic optimised rom (most roms have this now) you get 21000+ scores; Antutu had to be updated when Nexus 4 (with 4.2.1) came out because of weird low scores, quadrant was never updated.
Also get your full screen by removing the nav bar and using something else like pie controls from LMT.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, I have seen some people posting Quadrant scores of like 7500+ on the Nexus 4
I'm still running stock everything (unrooted) - maybe I need to just root it and try some different ROMs, etc..
Pie Control looks sweet too, will check it out
bsaidmalta said:
You're incredibly stupid to base your phone choice over some benchmarks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
leave it out
Quadrant doesnt like 4.2. Antutu and 3Dmark are better guages of performance.
LooieENG said:
Anything you recommend me trying out on the N4?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hmm, not sure really. The Nexus 4 is pretty much that, a Nexus device with pure Android. I can see why it may (not saying that it does for you) be boring or not as flashy. But there's not much to try out for the Nexus 4. Everything is pretty basic and minimalistic, and that's why some go for the Nexus I suppose.
With the N4, you get a decent device that can run with the best of them. If you're into flashing ROMs, pretty much almost every ROM posted here will work with very very minimal bugs, if any bugs at that. Although the One S isn't a bad device at all, so it's really up to you. :good:
My Nexus 4 absolutely fly's.. it speeds through everything.
It's all well and good having a number on a screen but I owned a HTC ONE briefly and many apps on that lagged yet run fine on my Nexus 4?
Oh great another one of these threads. IB4L
Sent by my Kitteh he chews on muffins on my Sexy Nexi 4 using Tapatalk
Can you please give your phone to me? I will pay you 50 $ because its so not good and you can go back to your wonderfull htc one s... :banghead:
Sent from SpeedMachine i9100
LooieENG said:
Yeah, I have seen some people posting Quadrant scores of like 7500+ on the Nexus 4
I'm still running stock everything (unrooted) - maybe I need to just root it and try some different ROMs, etc..
Pie Control looks sweet too, will check it out
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yea, if you are running your device at 1.8ghz+ and have other things optimized(custom rom/custom kernel), itll score high. at stock speeds and the stock rom/kernel it will never get close.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/18/korean-samsung-galaxy-s5-has-qhd-snapdragon-805
Only for Korean market.
Oh Dear.... soon to be an influx of Samsung haters, saying the usual things like Samsung can go to hell, Samsung betrayed us ect ect ect.
Me i will continue to enjoy my bog standard S5, until i decide next year what to replace it with.
Too bad it's a korean exclusive for now
I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...
ShadowLea said:
I still don't see how anyone could be surprised about that.
Or has everyone forgotten about the S4 Advanced LTE-A already?
Honestly people, business as usual...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
jodvova said:
Did S4 advanced have a better screen than S4 ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So?? I don't get your logic.
paddylaz said:
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There's been quite a bit of discussion in the M8 comparison thread about the impact of QHD on the LG G3. Cliff notes:
- Performance on S-801 took a pretty big hit
- Battery life took a hit
- Display contrast, black levels, and reflectivity all took hits
S-805 isn't a minor upgrade. It and Adreno 440 should allow QHD to perform as well and most likely better than S-801/1080P. So battery life and the quality of Samsung's QHD display are questions left to answer. The M8 thread also has discussion on the value of going from 1080P to QHD which is really pretty limited.
paddylaz said:
Out of interest, will it ACTUALLY be that much/if any faster anyway?
Would be interested if anyone with the tech knowledge could chime in....because it seems to me that the slightly faster snapdragon 805 is probably 'cancelled out' in effectiveness by the fact that the handset is now having to power a quad hd screen instead of standard 1080p.
Thoughts?
I can tell you for a fact that my gf's older macbook pro is snappier in day-to-day ui movements than my newer retina mbp which I'm guessing must be due to the added strain of those extra pixels.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Performance isn't 'canceled out' since the 805 can handle Ultra HD (4K) screens. The following scteenshot is from Qualcomm's site which summarizes the specs of both the 801 and 805. Snapdragon 805 breakdown
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
However, QHD content is currently limited to whatever bloat comes pre-installed from Samsung and wallpapers you can find online . As a result, people can't yet take full advantage of of that high res screen until app developers update their apps and there are very little YouTube videos above 1080p.
3GB RAM vs 2GB in the S5.
Great Samsung. Great.
That phone is a beast. But so is the regular galaxy S5. I don't think ppl should be upset really, its business. If you enjoy your phone then just enjoy it.
Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk
There will be little or no QHD (2K) native content. Commercial content will be 1080p or UHD (4K). That means it'll be up and down scaled which impacts image quality. QHD is a marketing ploy of questionable value. Lots of reasons supporting this in the M8 comparison thread.
This is indeed a good read regarding Snapdragon 805's cpu and gpu power.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8035/qualcomm-snapdragon-805-performance-preview
From there I got couple important points:
The 805 can handle a QuadHD resolution device at the same frame rate and with same performance that an 801 can drive a 1080p device.
It is said to use 20% less power and provide 40% more performance compared to an 800 SoC
The 805 has small (comparatively) cpu boost and significant gpu and video engines boost.
The GPU tests were there. It nailed pretty much everything.
The 805 has HEVC HW decoder, but no HEVC HW Acceleration until the 810 SoC comes out in H1 2015.
I personally did not know what HEVC was. It is actually H.265 codec that provides magnificent video output at much lower bitrate than ax264/h.264 encoded video.
I curiously downloaded Big Buck Bunny 1080p encoded with HEVC that sized only 130 MB. The h.264/x264 encoded video was available at the Big Buck Bunny's official website to download which was roughly 700 MB. The 130 MB file indeed provided great output compared to its regular 700MB variant!
The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.
Apoxx said:
The only thing I´d like in my S5 is 3GB ram. I do not want a QHD display which will only drain extra battery without me even being able to tell the difference.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
Yeah alot of times, many apps have to reload when multitasking, it´s clearly not as good at multitasking as the note3 for instance.
WizeGuyDezignz said:
Why would you like 3gb of ram? Have you ever run out of it on your S5?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-600<>1080p/S-800<>QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.
BarryH_GEG said:
So true. Someone above wants S-805 because it's "faster." Faster at what? 85% of apps don't use more than two cores according to Qualcomm. Screen transitions and app openings certainly don't need S-805. In every upgrade cycle (720p/S-6001080p/S-800QHD/S-805) the potentially huge gains in performance and battery life ended up minor because of the resources consumed by the display. Let's see some benchmarks from the SGS5 LTE-A before everyone wets themselves over it. Display quality took a big hit on the LG G3. Let's see how Samsung does.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Same here. And it's a Korea exclusive, I don't know why people are whining.
Enviado do meu Galaxy S5
WizeGuyDezignz said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I asked. I don't think people understand how ram works, they just want more because it sounds good.
Unused ram is exactly that, unused ram. No matter how many apps I've had open at once, I've never reached near 2gb of usage.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That´s because the phone hibernates apps before it ever reaches full RAM usage. More RAM = more open apps which allows for faster multitasking. You´d think this was basic knowledge by now.
I´m sure you all have switched to an open app only to have it reload like it was first opened.
Coming from an iPhone with 1GB of ram I am overly aware of this issue.
And no I do not want the new S5, I just wish Samsung had put 3gb in the S5 in the first place, like they did in the note3.
Hi Guys,
I just got Note 4 yesterday, screen is beautiful, build is good but I am a bit disappointed with the GPU performance.
I know it has the latest and the greatest GPU, but when I do play Real Racing 3 I can feel it lagging and sluggish.
It's the Snapdragon version 910G and the phone is not on powersave mode.
Even my older Nexus 5 runs RR 3 in beautiful detail and smooth graphics.
Leave the RR3, even the overall performance feels a bit sluggish. Probably due to the insanely high resolution of the screen that the hardware can't handle?
Any one else feels this with note 4?
Thanks.
This the opposite of all feedbacks I'm seeing regarding performance and usability. If you have the chance please try side by side with another unit and consider return yours.
Hi Joel,
Thanks for your reply, the device is amazing no doubt. But my only issue is its graphics performance. Not talking about benchmarks but a real test with Real Racing 3, it's lagging ?
faisalee said:
Hi Joel,
Thanks for your reply, the device is amazing no doubt. But my only issue is its graphics performance. Not talking about benchmarks but a real test with Real Racing 3, it's lagging ��
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There is a high chance the game is running in 1080p downscaled anyway. I'm pretty certain that even pushing the high res this GPU has enough power for any game.
I think it's probably just because S805 is still a new SoC so some games not optimized?
I tried rr3 on my exynos version and game is very smooth. Overall performance of phone i dont see any lag at all.
tmac31 said:
I tried rr3 on my exynos version and game is very smooth. Overall performance of phone i dont see any lag at all.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I also just try out at Exynos edition - N910C, it run perfectly smooth, no issue.
Wow then I must be crazy or expecting too much
tmac31 said:
I tried rr3 on my exynos version and game is very smooth. Overall performance of phone i dont see any lag at all.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
how abt the contact and phone lag after clearing ram or rebooting phone? i m asking coz i have an option of buying the sd or exynos version.. only downside of exynos i am worried is the availability of ROMS.. SD version will have more roms to choose i guess.. same happened with ma note 3 which was exynos..
---------- Post added at 08:57 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:56 AM ----------
faisalee said:
Wow then I must be crazy or expecting too much
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
and i thought the adreno gpu was better according to benchmarks..
cooldoc007 said:
how abt the contact and phone lag after clearing ram or rebooting phone? i m asking coz i have an option of buying the sd or exynos version.. only downside of exynos i am worried is the availability of ROMS.. SD version will have more roms to choose i guess.. same happened with ma note 3 which was exynos..
---------- Post added at 08:57 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:56 AM ----------
and i thought the adreno gpu was better according to benchmarks..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No lag at pretty much instant.
And about gpu adreno gpus always had better scores but mali gpus always give better performance.
I used note 3 both snapdragon and exynos version adreno 330 almost doubled mali t628 in benchmarks but in games again exynos version was better. Snapdragon was better in general use of phone though but this year seems this seems exynos is better in general use too according to this thread cuz my exynos very smooth and fast in general use.
You should try using the QHD LG G3 with an 801. You will see real lag and dropped frame rates then!
cooldoc007 said:
how abt the contact and phone lag after clearing ram or rebooting phone? i m asking coz i have an option of buying the sd or exynos version.. only downside of exynos i am worried is the availability of ROMS.. SD version will have more roms to choose i guess.. same happened with ma note 3 which was exynos..
---------- Post added at 08:57 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:56 AM ----------
and i thought the adreno gpu was better according to benchmarks..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
faisalee said:
Wow then I must be crazy or expecting too much
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Actually this time Exynos GPU is much better.
Just installed and it looks fine to me (snapdragon), terrible game though.
I played Asphalt 8 for 20 minutes and until the end the fps were almost 60.
Here a capture of Gamebench:
And here the Galaxy S5 with an Adreno 420 and 2k display:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
For the first time players real racing 3 may look fine but I have been playing it on iPhone 5, 5s, Nexus 5 and now note 4. All the previous were great and smooth. But note 4 I can feel a certain frame drop. Especially on bigger maps with more cars.
ASPHALT is not so heavy graphics wise compared to RR so 60 frames there is normal
faisalee said:
For the first time players real racing 3 may look fine but I have been playing it on iPhone 5, 5s, Nexus 5 and now note 4. All the previous were great and smooth. But note 4 I can feel a certain frame drop. Especially on bigger maps with more cars.
ASPHALT is not so heavy graphics wise compared to RR so 60 frames there is normal
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If it too easy to get around 60fps in Asphalt why the S5 Prime just got 46fps and the G3 Cat 6 just around 30fps ??
I will try RR3 later.
Lodix said:
I played Asphalt 8 for 20 minutes and until the end the fps were almost 60.
Here a capture of Gamebench:
And here the Galaxy S5 with an Adreno 420 and 2k display:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hadn't heard about Gamebench, so thanks for posting that!
Sent from my SM-N910U
Isn't this more of game optimization issue?
Sent from my SM-N910U using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
EP2008 said:
Hadn't heard about Gamebench, so thanks for posting that!
Sent from my SM-N910U
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You are wellcome.
mkim055 said:
Isn't this more of game optimization issue?
Sent from my SM-N910U using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The Adreno should be more optimized because of more devices having it so...
I have just tried Real Racing on my Snapdragon Note 4 and it lags quite badly, not during gameplay but in UI transition. I have never tried Real Racing on any other devices but as a PC gamer, I think the graphics seems quite bad (there isn't any anti aliasing at all). UI transition is especially bad, such as swiping between car models, which look like PowerPoint slides with no animation effect. Touching on menu and items takes like a second to register. Can't say that I am impressed.
Sounds like an optimization issue really, and with Nexus 6 rocking the same HW I can bet RR3 will be getting an update soon to fix this, I wouldn't worry too much, this phone is barely a month into sale, please keep that in mind.
Would you say that the LG Nexus 5X is "fast" in day-to-day use? A higher rating indicates that you think the LG Nexus 5X exhibits fantastic performance. Like, is it as fast as your tears when you watch The Titanic?
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
This is a quick phone. It does lag a bit when you're trying to push it hard, especially when it starts heating up.
4/5 Stars and will surely change to a 5/5 after kernels and leaner ROMs improve speed and responsiveness.
The 808 does an admirable job at first, but like others have said, sustained usage shows slight delays between actions. This almost always comes with slight heat at the top of the phone. It's also perceptible when you enable "show touches"; when the 808 begins throttling, certain commands take half a second to respond, why can get annoying (I.ee. bringing up akeyboard). Gaming is OK, bug throttling can hurt sustained sessions. Apps load fast, and I find no issues with overall fluidity, just responsiveness of actions. Overall, I think it is not a huge step forward compared to the old Nexus 5, which dazzled us with speed 2 years back.
In general use, great. Only slow downs are due to encryption, which can be sorted if needs be. Graphically capable due to use of 1080p screen.
Lags a bit using SwiftKey. The 6P was smooth as silk using SwiftKey.
I'm not a power user in the common sense, rather I do a lot of text entry: SMS and email. The majority of my use is for work email or SMS with friends. For that, the quad+dual core CPUs are fantastic. I have no leg ever, and I'm also using Kernel Auditor to limit the max speed of both quad and dual core clusters.
For games, I play very light games and find no problems there either.
svetius said:
This is a quick phone. It does lag a bit when you're trying to push it hard, especially when it starts heating up.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
what did u mean by push it hard?? i am looking to buy this phone but a bit confused about the multitasking n gaming.
---------- Post added at 02:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:10 PM ----------
jackdubl said:
Lags a bit using SwiftKey. The 6P was smooth as silk using SwiftKey.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
what about google keyboard?
---------- Post added at 02:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:13 PM ----------
daver68 said:
I'm not a power user in the common sense, rather I do a lot of text entry: SMS and email. The majority of my use is for work email or SMS with friends. For that, the quad+dual core CPUs are fantastic. I have no leg ever, and I'm also using Kernel Auditor to limit the max speed of both quad and dual core clusters.
For games, I play very light games and find no problems there either.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
is there any stuttering if u play games for long??
You should bring these questions to other sections. These posts are mostly for reviews, less for Q&A (Mods please feel free to move this post )
mkp52mkp said:
what about google keyboard?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Personally, I do not find the Google keyboard lags at all.
mkp52mkp said:
is there any stuttering if u play games for long??
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can play Star Realms for 30 minutes without any problems such as lagging. I think that's the most intensive game I have on my phone. Like I mentioned, I don't really play many games.
jackdubl said:
Lags a bit using SwiftKey. The 6P was smooth as silk using SwiftKey.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Had no Problems using Swiftkey on it!
Actively writing to storage can cause slow downs such as while updating apps, possibly due to encryption. Otherwise the 808 is fast and snappy for all tasks and the camera launches and takes quicker HDR+ pictures than my N5.
The device does not noticeably throttle under normal usage in my experience.
Gaming performance is a huge step up from the N5, which would over heat and cripple performance after 15-20 minutes. This is because the 4x krait cores would downclock to under 1Ghz and the GPU would still be forced to downclock as well.
The 5x runs faster and remains cooler. It does this by throttling the 2x A57 cores but keeps the 4xA53 cores at their full 1.44Ghz. This reduces heat and allows the Adreno 418 GPU to run at full clock speed, which is then able to sustain high graphics performance indefinitely. During this time the device will feel warm but not uncomfortably so as with most other devices and the bottom of the phone remains cool.
Due to the above as well as its 1080p screen, the 5x out performs most high end Android devices today during sustained graphics performance, which drop to lower frame rates during their own thermal throttling and struggle to output 2k resolution. This was demonstrated in this test taken from Anandtech's 5x review.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
in dead trigger game my n 5x very laggi and frame rate is low
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk
I'm having delays with everything it seems, when i open the browser, when i open any app, it just feels like i have to wait a second or 2/3 before its loaded.
I also still have my Oneplus One which seems to be faster with everything i load.
Its not horrible but its enough to annoy me every time i open something, its not what im used to and not what i expected when buying a newer generation phone.
The only performance problem I've had (verified by showing the core clock speeds on an overlay) is playing the Gameloft MLP game. It's fine for the first 30 seconds or so and you can pan around Ponyville to your hearts content buttery smooth, then the A57s slow down and it starts to lag, and after a minute or so (certainly not the 12 minutes I heard somewhere else) the A57s shut down completely and scrolling is like swimming through treacle and has visible framerate judder.
Very snappy in everything else I've thrown at it so far!
I'd love to get this phone but with all the lag I am reading and hearing, I'm a bit turned off now. With all these experienced lag in usage, would you guys still recommend this phone? or are you planning on switching to a different brand/model?
Throwing the CPU under the bus is great for graphics benchmarks but what about when a game or app is actually using the CPU? I played some Star Wars Uprising and my experience reflected this, the 3D graphics stayed smooth but loading times and interface lag were atrocious. If I put the phone in the freezer for a minute it would be snappy again for a few minutes until heat built up again.
Also I wonder if encrypted storage with no dedicated hardware aggravates this as well. Heat slows CPU and then when it goes to access storage that is also slower. Cherry on top is the low RAM boots your background apps from memory and then they need to be loaded again on the hot phone if you switch out from a game.
I am happy enough with the phone now that I stopped trying to play games on it (hit the paywall in Uprising anyways hah) but if you want to do that on the regular I would stay far away.
I have been using the phone for a few days and all the games i have played have been fine. I had the note 4 and i think the nexus has a bit of a speed boost compared. Menu system and everything else has been really good as well.
Been using since release, running Chroma with Xposed and stock franco kernel. Definitely quick, but not 2016 standards quick. Just my opinion.
I push this phone every day. 100+ emails, texting all day with clients, anywhere from 3-20 phone calls, using Snapchat a lot, Youtube, streaming music on my drive to and from work, etc. This phone gets it done most of the time but there are times when I'm sitting there thinking "wtf is happening right now", I'm talking complete locks that last up to 10sec or more in some cases. Sometimes Swiftkey doesn't want to popup in Snapchat or Google Messenger. Other times I get stuck switching back and forth between Chrome and Outlook or any other app. Slight lags and annoyances are definitely noticeable (even on stock which I used for at least a month or 2).
Battery life is terrible for me personally, I just can't get through the day, but again I don't think many phones can handle my usage. The 2GB RAM definitely had me skeptical about buying but the physical size was perfect so I jumped on it. Not totally disappointed in the phone but just wish they could make something powerful and keep it small too.
Needs to improve!!
I don't game on the phone.