Hi all. I picked up an Optimus 2X for cheap during a sale, and overall I'm quite satisfied with it. However, one problem is the lack of RAM which ironically makes multi-tasking less smooth than on older single-core phones like the HTC Desire.
The Optimus 2X has 384MB RAM available to the system, where as most high-end phones have 512MB and some even 1GB. Even the old Nexus One had 512MB. After startup with Android 2.3, only about 150MB is available, which quickly decreases to ~100MB.
I know the whole Free RAM = Wasted RAM argument, but this has real-world implications with this phone.
For example, if you open the web browser and then use some other applications for a while and switch back, the page is not longer in memory but has to be reloaded. It's the same with other apps, they quickly get kicked out of RAM when you run other apps, forcing them to reload.
How does CM7 compare in terms of RAM usage? I'm guessing the LG bundled apps and background tasks use up quite a bit of RAM?
that remaining ram id because of the tegra gpu, 128mb is allocated I think.. about ram management, I'm using miui and downloaded sd data from a game then browsed the forums via browser then switched back to the download and its still intact, returned to the browser and all tabs still ok,
i think most stock based roms behave the same as yours
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Advice regarding ram availaibilty and buying new device
Guys i need your advice since it is slightly related to current topic. So , here it is
i am going to buy a phone tomorrow
I was thinking of Optimus 2x.
I am coming from Nokia S60v5 and u can imagine the Ram problems there so i am very sensitive to the issue of less ram availaible.
1) how much free ram does O2x offer on a)stock 2.3 b) CM7 ?
2) I have the Option of Buying either O2x ,Oblack or Galaxy Sl(indian version of galaxy s) as price of all 3 are similar , which one would you choose, doesn't Oblack offer more free RAM than O2x ?
3) A little research tells me that nvidia havnt released their drivers, and god knows when LG will come out with ICS ,just wanted to know are there any chances/news or assurances of CM9 supporting O2x coz if chances are bleak wudn't i be better off with Oblack?
1.b) mine is up for about 40 hours and i did lots of mt, and i got 169mb free.
i dont see a problem with the ram size, its all super smooth here. and to my knowledge most people that know nothing about ram think more=faster which is not the case...
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grognaz said:
1.b) mine is up for about 40 hours and i did lots of mt, and i got 169mb free.
i dont see a problem with the ram size, its all super smooth here. and to my knowledge most people that know nothing about ram think more=faster which is not the case...
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I'm no expert but having used computers since the VIC 20, I don't think I know "nothing" about RAM. That machine had 3.5KB of RAM which was fine back then, but there's a reason modern devices have more RAM than that. More *is* better in many cases.
My HTC Desire starts of with about 260MB free out of 576MB total, where as the Optimus 2X starts with ~180MB free (reflecting the 128MB that gets allocated by the Tegra2 GPU). This means less RAM available for applications you launch and want to keep in RAM. It's *mostly* "super smooth" here too, but it's annoying when e.g. the web browser or Google Earth gets kicked out of RAM and have to reload, since this adds several seconds when switching tasks. Applications themselves are super responsive, it's only when task-switching between several large applications that this happens.
droweed said:
that remaining ram id because of the tegra gpu, 128mb is allocated I think.. about ram management, I'm using miui and downloaded sd data from a game then browsed the forums via browser then switched back to the download and its still intact, returned to the browser and all tabs still ok,
i think most stock based roms behave the same as yours
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I guess I'll try some third party ROMs and see how they behave. LG do bundle a lot of useless stuff with the stock ROM that you can't stop from starting automatically by default.
prabhjitsinghwalia said:
Guys i need your advice since it is slightly related to current topic. So , here it is
i am going to buy a phone tomorrow
I was thinking of Optimus 2x.
I am coming from Nokia S60v5 and u can imagine the Ram problems there so i am very sensitive to the issue of less ram availaible.
1) how much free ram does O2x offer on a)stock 2.3 b) CM7 ?
2) I have the Option of Buying either O2x ,Oblack or Galaxy Sl(indian version of galaxy s) as price of all 3 are similar , which one would you choose, doesn't Oblack offer more free RAM than O2x ?
3) A little research tells me that nvidia havnt released their drivers, and god knows when LG will come out with ICS ,just wanted to know are there any chances/news or assurances of CM9 supporting O2x coz if chances are bleak wudn't i be better off with Oblack?
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The Optimus 2X is not a bad phone at all. The display and build quality are very nice, the size is just right. Battery life is also quite good (for an Android phone, which still means you have to charge it every night). It's the only dual-core phone out of the ones on your list, which puts it in the same league as the Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Nexus in many ways.
I'm sure we'll get ICS eventually but it might be a longer wait than for something like the Nexus S. You'd better be prepared to root and switch to a different ROM however. Considering how long it took LG to release their version of Android 2.3 I wouldn't count on them releasing anything in 2012, if at all.
I have 187MB of RAM free after a clean boot with stock 2.3 (Version 20L), if I go directly to Programs and look at the amount of free RAM under the Running tab.
Also another thing that's bugging me off is
-O2x, i have heard reboots itself, now the very reason why i am buying a new phone is that my Nokia phone kept rebooting even when the battery was full, whether on stock OS or custom Firmware.That pissed me off.
-Does this issue still exists in newer Handsets after updating to 2.3 , becoz if it does wouldn't i be better off buying Lg Optimus black because i am stretching my budget just to accommodate the dual core of O2x and if after spending such a large amt it still reboots , i would be heartbroken
waiting for some helpful replies as i will be buying one of Oblack or O2x yesterday itself
I just installed CM7.1 and I'm happy to report that it now has 246MB of free RAM after a clean boot. Keep in mind that this is a completely clean install, where as my stock installation had a couple of widgets and notification apps going. But there's still a significant difference.
So part of the problem is that the LG launcher and customizations are not very optimized and waste a lot of RAM. Of course, the phone is still missing 128MB RAM when compared to other similar phones, but with a less bloated ROM, it's less of a problem. Let's hope the RAM requirements of ICS won't be too much higher.
Spontaneous reboots can be caused by many things. Android will reboot if an application hangs so completely that the phone ignores all input. It could also be a hardware problem such as overheating or low voltage. My O2X has never rebooted on its own so far. My HTC Desire started doing this when using the 3G radio a lot, likely due to overheating. That's why I switched to the O2X. Keep in mind that everything is pretty much "on the edge" with these devices that pack so much power into a small package. Avoid warming the device up in your jeans pocket (use an outer pocket of your jacket if possible) or using it heavily while its charging.
i didnt refer it to you when i was writing about the ram stuff... anyways, if you need more ram there is a kernel which can free i think up to 96mb from the gpu or so. so if you dont play games or recored hd then you might give it a try. kernel is called vorks stepchild or something like that and can be found in dev section. sorry cant copy links from xda app
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Just a quick mention for the Nexus S here, that has the exact same RAM configuration, and Google are putting out ICS for it, so it can't be a huge problem.
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How does CM7 compare in terms of RAM usage? I'm guessing the LG bundled apps and background tasks use up quite a bit of RAM?
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It's crazy, stock rom Opera wouldn't even background after 2 seconds.. With CM7 I have RAM compression on 20% or something and Opera stays open for hours, it's great. There are kernels which have 32-128MB RAM hacks too that steal back from the GPU section. IronKrnl comes to mind.
There are some implications, 32MB loses reboot (which is nothing), 64MB+ gets dodgier.
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i dont see a problem with the ram size, its all super smooth here. and to my knowledge most people that know nothing about ram think more=faster which is not the case...
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You know nothing about RAM if you believe that statement then... Tell me, what about the operating system panicing to closs apps to free RAM, and falling on it's ass doing so is faster?
Use scripts like Supercharger, or Juwe ram script modified by Vadonka (search threads in dev section). Or System Tuner where you can easily modify freemem parameters.
try installing CM 7.2.0 plus ironkrnL ramhack here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1359307
I recommended the 64mb hack ver.
the newest built already stable enough for daily use.
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I'm using Juwe11's Ram Manager Pro in market (paid app). There is a free version also.
Brought my O2x !
Thanks for your advice guys, bought my O2x today , will be updating to stock 2.3 today.
a) any pre update advice ?
b) i dont intend to use stock rom for long, and as i am new to android and my previous nokia only taught me about making Custom Firmwares , So plz tell me which modded 2.3 should i use ? what is this i am reading about that the kernel is from someone else ? rom from some other Mod ? and also this baseband stuff ?
a) Try not to use it. The froyo ROMs are crap and will probably give you a poor opinion of the phone and/or AIDs
b) CyanogenMod, IMO
info about cm in general
i understand Cyanogen mod is an after market firmware,so
a) is it a custom rom or does it use the vendor's phone's rom ?
b) i understand we can also change kernel's , so does CM modifies the kernel ?
prabhjitsinghwalia said:
Thanks for your advice guys, bought my O2x today , will be updating to stock 2.3 today.
a) any pre update advice ?
b) i dont intend to use stock rom for long, and as i am new to android and my previous nokia only taught me about making Custom Firmwares , So plz tell me which modded 2.3 should i use ? what is this i am reading about that the kernel is from someone else ? rom from some other Mod ? and also this baseband stuff ?
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a. do not update to official 2.3. rooting it is pain in the ass. rooting froyo is easy. and official 2.3 is still sakk ess.
b. CM7 is your answer.
prabhjitsinghwalia said:
i understand Cyanogen mod is an after market firmware,so
a) is it a custom rom or does it use the vendor's phone's rom ?
b) i understand we can also change kernel's , so does CM modifies the kernel ?
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a. custom rom. you can google it.
b. cm use its own kernel. plus there are 3rd party kernel to optimize it further.
Questions
a) How will rooting help me?
b) i suppose i cant downgrade to 2.2 from 2.3 , right?
c) i can still use cm7 after updating to froyo right?
Yeah you'll be able to switch back and forth stock ROMs via Smartflash or KDZ, and you will be able to use CM no matter what version you have installed.
^now thats quiet helpful , just to be sure i am updating to 2.3 using lg's official crap whatever that is coz thats taking years to check/buffer whatever. or do u ppl use KDZ?
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I thought in read in the specs before buying this phone that it had 512 MB of RAM.
When I check in my task manager it says I only have 326 MB of RAM total..
Don't tell me we (Canadians) have less ram than everyone else??
it is not just the Canada version
all SGS phones have 512 of RAM but only 326 available for end users the rest are used by the phone services
Isn't it a 2.1 thing?
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The kernel supports up to 326MB RAM. Newer versions support full 512MB.
I guess when Froyo is out officially we will have full 512MB support.
Its sounds to me this phone was made for frayo and 2.1 is just each what they had to go with the Iphone 4 would have gotten alot of sgs customers If the galaxy didn't release when it did
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phandroid.com has a couple of shots of a Leaked Samsung Fascinate Equipment Guide . The second photo is quite interesting, it says
Onboard memory : 512MB Flash/384MB RAM
What does that mean ?? We have 384MB of RAM after all ??
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phandroid.com has a couple of shots of a Leaked Samsung Fascinate Equipment Guide . The second photo is quite interesting, it says
Onboard memory : 512MB Flash/384MB RAM
What does that mean ?? We have 384MB of RAM after all ??
That's another phone.. Doesn't mean much.
Our official news/press release said we have 512MB, so we have 512MB. Don't get too worried. Samsung may have decided simply to put the RAM to better use for now (to speed up other areas). Apparently, the epic uses a RAM disk to speed things up, so it's possible ours has a 160MB Ramdisk too
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Ok that's it, I'm selling my phone now.
Well, let's hope Froyo shows us the light.
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That's another phone.. Doesn't mean much.
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I am relatively new to android, but from what I have read on the internet Fascinate is simply another Galaxy S variant customized to Verizon, just like Captivate, Vibrant and Epic 4G, isnt it ?? Why would they mess around with the core components just for one carrier ?
andrewluecke said:
Our official news/press release said we have 512MB, so we have 512MB. Don't get too worried. Samsung may have decided simply to put the RAM to better use for now (to speed up other areas). Apparently, the epic uses a RAM disk to speed things up, so it's possible ours has a 160MB Ramdisk too
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I would like to believe that too , My only concern is Gingerbread compatibility. I know even if we have 512MB Gingerbread is not guaranteed. But 384MB means a definite no go , right ??
PhoenixFx said:
I am relatively new to android, but from what I have read on the internet Fascinate is simply another Galaxy S variant customized to Verizon, just like Captivate, Vibrant and Epic 4G, isnt it ?? Why would they mess around with the core components just for one carrier ?
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They added a flash for one... It might be to save money for the carrier. But, this variant uses EVDO which I believe is US only, and its possible they need more space on the circuit board too, for other features they add. Either way, our phone is advertised as 512MB.
PhoenixFx said:
, My only concern is Gingerbread compatibility. I know even if we have 512MB Gingerbread is not guaranteed. But 384MB means a definite no go , right ??
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Nobody knows. In the rumour world, there is a crapload of BS. Don't believe anything you hear unless Google says it directly (and publicly). Remember, Kevin Rose told us he SAW the iPhone before it was released, and it had multiple batteries. And that guy constantly says rumors (the only ones I see him ever get right are obvious ones or ones which have proof already if you know where to look). If rumors by idiots like him consume the the internet in hours, its easy for anyone else to do the same.
To the best of my knowledge, Google has never stated the RAM required.. That being said, the epic 4g apparently uses a 160GB RAMdisk to speed it up. It's possible our phone does the same (which explains the memory gap). But I have seen nobody prove or disprove whether we have 512MB of RAM which can be accessed by the OS. All I know is that Samsung have stated we do and haven't retracted it..
@andrewluecke: Come oon man must you QOUTE a big picture and the write some words as a comment?? WTF we are not stupid we now that you answered to the post abowe!!!
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@andrewluecke: Come oon man must you QOUTE a big picture and the write some words as a comment?? WTF we are not stupid we now that you answered to the post abowe!!!
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Don't blame me, I didn't even notice.. These forums should be thumbnailing the pics anyway
The photo is in line with previous speculation that the galaxy s has 384mb ddr(?) ram and 128mb onedram(fast ram dedicated to graphics??) / onenand(not actually ram??? 0_0) .. its all a bit confusing.
EDIT: found the relevant topics
http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742244
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7642223
EDIT2: at first I was a little concerned, but after reading the other topics, I'm fairly reassured that the "ram issue" isn't really a bit issue at all, once compared to nexus one, desire etc.
SEMC seems to run a Sony Ericsson blog. And his post is mainly guesses, as with the others. Nobody has actually proven anything. However, the arguments against 512MB of ram are that 128MB is flash, and that Samsung don't know the difference between RAM and flash (which doesn't make too much sense, as they clearly differentiate between the two elsewhere).
Until proven otherwise, there is no reason to believe that we don't have 512MB of physical RAM.
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EDIT2: at first I was a little concerned, but after reading the other topics, I'm fairly reassured that the "ram issue" isn't really a bit issue at all, once compared to nexus one, desire etc.
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I checked it as well, the Desire has 576 mb but it shows only 400 mb,
my old X10 has 384 but only shows 270 mb, it might be the kernel, but Ive read on a unreliable website that the rest was dedicated to the GPU just like a shared videocard on a Laptop...
Yeah, it's likely some is dedicated towards GPU and such, and it's likely to be OneDRAM. But, there doesn't seem to be any definitive proof..
iam sure its the kernel guys.. my old desire after flash mod kernel can get full 512mb and free memory up to 300mb using advanced task manager..
I'm using a Samsung Galaxy S and just upgrade to 2.2 Froyo. I'm just wonder a things that. Do you know why Samsung Galaxy S only displays that It has 304mb Ram. Samsung confirmed that Galaxy S has 512mb Ram. Why the phone displays too little ram like that.
When I use 2.1 Android. Galaxy S displayed 348mb Ram and now on 2.2 Android the number is 304mb.
Can you explain that for me?? Thanks all you guys alot.
512MB hardware, 208 system reserved , 304 user/application usable.
IMHO, 208 system reserve is quite large.. with 2.1 i never had a chance to see 348mb ram XD
i noticed that too. awaiting someones response
208 system reserved, so we can't change this. 304 is not enough in some case.
Well try to read all 100 tread about this.
So far i don't se the problem. I never run out of memory.
My phone is fast and don't lag.
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DamianGto said:
Well try to read all 100 tread about this.
So far i don't se the problem. I never run out of memory.
My phone is fast and don't lag.
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Lucky you with your lovely SGS
Oletros said:
Lucky you with your lovely SGS
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If you know what you are doing its not hard.
If you don't it vary easy to read in the forum and learn about all things.
The main reason people has problem and write this kind of tread is they are so lazy to read that's already in the forum.
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200 mb reserved for what? video playback? screen transitions?
Here we go again....
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yeah, here we go...
On my previous HTC Desire had 512 Ram w/o external RAM, so I had to install all apps onto internal RAM... After 10-12 app installed, I had 32MB free space, and it was enough. (ok after froyo I could use the app2sd too) - yeah it was very miserable
DamianGto said:
If you know what you are doing its not hard.
If you don't it vary easy to read in the forum and learn about all things.
The main reason people has problem and write this kind of tread is they are so lazy to read that's already in the forum.
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Another answer which blames on the user.
Sorry, SGS 2.2 doesnt' have so much free memory available. And compared with other smartphones you can't do the same things withouth Android starting to kill background processes.
Oletros said:
Another answer which blames on the user.
Sorry, SGS 2.2 doesnt' have so much free memory available. And compared with other smartphones you can't do the same things withouth Android starting to kill background processes.
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Well its true about the user fault.
Why do you need to run so much background program?
The main problem is that people thinks it is a computer with alot of memory. Well its not.
If you don't like it then sell it and buy a phone with more free ram.
Even how much people complain here it don't change anything.
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Hi,
Now you're speaking about SGS ram... Does anybody knows if its PowerVr SGX540 has dedicated ram as Snapdragon's chipset has?
Adreno 200, being a worse performer, has 64 mb of dedicated video mem.
Cheers!
DamianGto said:
Well its true about the user fault.
Why do you need to run so much background program?
The main problem is that people thinks it is a computer with alot of memory. Well its not.
If you don't like it then sell it and buy a phone with more free ram.
Even how much people complain here it don't change anything.
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The main problem is people expects that this phone will work as advertised. And if Samsung sells it sying that it has 512MB of RAM I will want to work like other phones which have 512MB of RAM, not like a phone which have 292MB of RAM.
And yes, you don't change anything, it seems that you have an exceptional SGS which doesn't lags, doesn't have low memory problems, GPS works like a charm. If someone whines about GPS, memory, lag is always fault of the user, not the phone.
And then we will laugh at Apple fanboys when we have a lot of Samsung fanboys here
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The main problem is people expects that this phone will work as advertised. And if Samsung sells it sying that it has 512MB of RAM I will want to work like other phones which have 512MB of RAM, not like a phone which have 292MB of RAM.
And yes, you don't change anything, it seems that you have an exceptional SGS which doesn't lags, doesn't have low memory problems, GPS works like a charm. If someone whines about GPS, memory, lag is always fault of the user, not the phone.
And then we will laugh at Apple fanboys when we have a lot of Samsung fanboys here
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Show me where Samsung say it has 512MB ram that user can use?
The fact is that sgs do has 512MB ram.
And none of the smartphone has all ram free for the user.
That's one problem also that people don't read and understand how things work.
Im NOT a Samsung fanboy.
But i know what i did buy and i know how to fix things.
I also have iphone to compare this sgs with.
But many people are to lazy to read information and learn about things.
They buy this phone and only read some advertising for it and THINK they know about it.
80% of the people that's has bought this phone and complain should not bought it. Its not the right phone for them.
My girlfriend did buy a sgs to.
She did compare this phone and the iphone. It was a easy choice for her. But if she did not have the 2 phones and could compare them and have me to ask and have me to modifies the phone i guess she would choose the iphone. Just for she had heard much about it.
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@DamianGto, i don't know if you are a samsung fanboy, really, i don't care, but sure you behave like one of them. you are everywhere, like your counterpart oletros, bashing people, never being constructive. you are not a knight, galaxy s is an object, not your princess...and yes, like any other smartphone it has problems. yeah, i know, don't be upset, your galaxy s is just perfect, i was talking about others sgs
it's not a phone, it's a smartphone...i think sgs is too much for you, you don't need it to make phone calls, you'll be fine with a 30 euros phone...then you can tell people "it's just a phone!"
just a question...why do you still have your iphone? why don' you sell it and buy another super-amazing sgs? you can buy two sgs with an iphone, what are you waiting for??
@oletros, come on, you behave like my grandfather, always talking about how good was staying in germany and how bad italy was...everytime he was whining about my country for about 40 years. he died here, never moved to germany. it's not your worst enemy, you bought it, you can sell it...and guess what? there are people who will buy it it's not bound to you, it's not like an arm, you can get rid of it if you really want...but! if you don't want to...please stop with all this anger (toward sgs), you'll live better if you start searching for solutions instead of wasting your energy (and your mental health) on whining...everybody knows sgs problems, there is no need to repeat them.
peace guys!
It's true that i write alot.
I know i bash at people sometimes but its only when they repeat same things over and over. You can easy get the answer on that if they read in the forum.
I only got the iphone to play games on. Android don't have much games that good.
That's bad for sgs is alot better in the hardware then iphone.
Its also true i don't use it so much for phone calls.
I do use it like a mini computer.
I can't say i did like my sgs so much when i did bought it. But after flashing it and tweaking the phone it has been very good.
I also know i have a very good sgs that all things works on.
The gps is almost flawless.
So yes i do like my sgs. But after all thing i have done with it.
The same things all person can do if they read the forums.
The main different between me and many people is that if i got a problem i seek a solution on that. I don't whining in tread after tread about the problem.
You don't learn anything if you whining and don't seek solution on problem you got.
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Ok. Here JP6 Froyo with voodoo lag fix.
DamianGto
- please tell me a solution that fixes the lag in touch wiz application drawer (ca be seen if you have 5-6 pages of apps and slide fast, or pinch to zoom out)
- please provide a solution for fixing the swype lagging input.
- please provide a solution for an efficient memory&cpu wise browser.
If your soulutions is "replace the apps", than no thank you.
Now back on the subject, the available RAM is a real issue. People who browse a lot can observe this. Even a single page (such as pocketnow.com desktop version or any other a little heave website) can make the browser eat so much RAM (more than 140MB) and CPU that makes the phone unstable. How many times my opened apps were closed (even launcher,etc) . Or how many times my browser closed itself as a) foreground application; b) when opening another app such as music player.
So DamianGto please don't make it feel as it's not a real issue. This it is. It ruins the joy of multitasking. You cannot have Skype, or Messenger opened while browsing cos' you get the risk the apps to be vanished because of the free memory
So Samsungs' Froyo is a piece of sh*t that ruins the joy of using the phone.
The RAM is not an issue for people that are using the phone as a media player or for phone calls.
spyrale said:
@oletros, come on, you behave like my grandfather, always talking about how good was staying in germany and how bad italy was...everytime he was whining about my country for about 40 years. he died here, never moved to germany. it's not your worst enemy, you bought it, you can sell it...and guess what? there are people who will buy it it's not bound to you, it's not like an arm, you can get rid of it if you really want...but! if you don't want to...please stop with all this anger (toward sgs), you'll live better if you start searching for solutions instead of wasting your energy (and your mental health) on whining...everybody knows sgs problems, there is no need to repeat them.
peace guys!
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Sorry, I'm not against SGS, I'm tired of people saying that it's perfect and the one to blame is the user.
Ma credo che scriverò un po meno, è meglio per me
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Ok. Here JP6 Froyo with voodoo lag fix.
DamianGto
- please tell me a solution that fixes the lag in touch wiz application drawer (ca be seen if you have 5-6 pages of apps and slide fast, or pinch to zoom out)
- please provide a solution for fixing the swype lagging input.
- please provide a solution for an efficient memory&cpu wise browser.
If your soulutions is "replace the apps", than no thank you.
Now back on the subject, the available RAM is a real issue. People who browse a lot can observe this. Even a single page (such as pocketnow.com desktop version or any other a little heave website) can make the browser eat so much RAM (more than 140MB) and CPU that makes the phone unstable. How many times my opened apps were closed (even launcher,etc) . Or how many times my browser closed itself as a) foreground application; b) when opening another app such as music player.
So DamianGto please don't make it feel as it's not a real issue. This it is. It ruins the joy of multitasking. You cannot have Skype, or Messenger opened while browsing cos' you get the risk the apps to be vanished because of the free memory
So Samsungs' Froyo is a piece of sh*t that ruins the joy of using the phone.
The RAM is not an issue for people that are using the phone as a media player or for phone calls.
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this is sadly true...i flashed voodoo doctor rom 2.1 with advanced ext4 lagfix, using launcherpro plus instead of touchwiz...rom is smooth and i have no lag (120 apps), but with 80-100 mb of free ram when i open browser launcherpro get restarted everytime for the lack of free ram (didn't have this problem with jm8), this is more than annoying. and yes, i use autostarts to disable all unnecessary startup programs, even uninstalled autokiller (useles IMHO), reduced homescreen pages from 7 to 5 and removed all widgets that i use less in order to have more free ram. this is so sad for a monster phone like galaxy s...let's hope that devs or samsung find a way to optimize ram management. anyway, there is a ref thread where some smart guys are playing with ram allocation inside kernel...eventually something will come out to fix this **** i am optimistic on this subject, i would have been more worried if the amount of usable ram was the same between eclair and froyo rom. i hope this mean that capable people can play with ram pre-settings to free up more ram without side-effects. i had ram problems with samsung omnia 3 years ago, when i bought htc hd2 i thought i'd never had lack of ram anymore
sorry for my english!
How about a updated eclair ROM for Milestone? So we enjoy some free memory on our Milestones!
EDIT: I need to say that I ain't a dev, so i can't cook this rom. But maybe someone else wants to.
I want the same bro!!!
FroyoMOD is getting tons of free RAM with the latest updates. Battery life is also good as well, so I'm not sure what you might be missing in Froyo that Eclair would have. Plus, your FPS is not locked to 30fps.
Free RAM is wasted RAM. Android doesn't work the way you think it does. Android (especially newer versions) is really good at memory management, and keeps the most frequently used data in RAM so that your phone stays snappy and running well.
Not to mention the severe amount of handicapping in terms of features going on with Eclair. I wouldn't feel comfortable running anything less than Froyo these days.
Just wondering... is 512MB going to be a problem with ICS?
(It's a simple question I know)
Scougar said:
Just wondering... is 512MB going to be a problem with ICS?
(It's a simple question I know)
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I'm writing this from CM9 ICS alpha and runs perfect, don't worry for that
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No, it shouldn't be a problem.
But please post such things in the ICS discussion thread!
Flix123 said:
No, it shouldn't be a problem.
But please post such things in the ICS discussion thread!
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Thanks and apologies. I had wondered if getting a 1GB model phone would have been a significant advantage.
(Mod feel free to move the question to a post in the discussion thread).
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Thanks and apologies. I had wondered if getting a 1GB model phone would have been a significant advantage.
(Mod feel free to move the question to a post in the discussion thread).
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You can almost guarantee that a 1GB model will be better. The Optimus 2X does struggle with it's 512 mb, because 128mb is attributed to the GPU. Lukily, some kernels, like IronKrnl free some of that memory up and give it back to the CPU, but it's still losing 80mb.
Also, it's worth noting that, if you want to run ICS, if you look at the phones out that have 1gb of ram, you'll see they're all actually better phones- especially what Samsung make.
So, while the O2X is a cheap dual-core device. The best experience will come with something with 1gb of RAM, as it's much more likely to also get ICS. (Due in part because most 1gb phones have already had an announcement, and for it to be soon)
ICS is very hungry in memory. On my Asus Tablet running official, my 1GB RAM is fully used, as usual in Linux but at a higher level than in GB.
To run ICS correctly on O2X, you must use IronKrnl, the 48mb ramhack version is correct (means it steals 48MB to GPU, leaving only 80MB to it), and modifying memory killer values to a sort of aggressive profile.
Yea right, so this is why I had less free memory on GB. And now I have CM kernel on ICS. I doubt you actually tried CM9 alpha on O2X if you are talking crap like this about performance.
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The browser in ICS works better even though we have 512MB. It always returned to where I had left. 512 and less is enough for full desktop environments on PC even.
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Yea right, so this is why I had less free memory on GB. And now I have CM kernel on ICS. I doubt you actually tried CM9 alpha on O2X if you are talking crap like this about performance.
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See my sig and stop arguing. I run CM9 since first day Ricardo published SK0, and now running SK2 with latest Ironkrnl. Setiron himself admitted on Google+that ICS is a memory eater.
Dont know how much free memory we're talking about here but I'm on SK2 with original CM9 kernel. Using Adv.Task Killer from time to time and I always have around 200-240 Mb free memory. Just sharing my experience
Running CM9 aswell and its sooooo smooth, faster than any rom ive tried
OK, so what happens when you want to run Tegra games? (like Dungeon Defenders for example). A shame you cannot dynamically set the ram hack :-(
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OK, so what happens when you want to run Tegra games? (like Dungeon Defenders for example). A shame you cannot dynamically set the ram hack :-(
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That's the real question... Free memory when phone is idle means nothing. Plus you have to consider the lowmemkiller values you have set, I personnally use aggressive values: 16 24 32 90 100 110 to free the most possible memory.
Many users report freezes with games that run perfectly on GB. The problem or ramhack is choosing the right value for gaming, it seems 48mb version is the best compromise. A 'on the fly' feature was not planned for the moment by Setiron in one of his G+ posts.
Mjuksel said:
Running CM9 aswell and its sooooo smooth, faster than any rom ive tried
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That has no direct link with OP. But it's true it's smooth lol.
Striatum_bdr said:
That has no direct link with OP. But it's true it's smooth lol.
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It does. In low memory situations ICS seems to keep running better and smoother compared to GB. If you get under 40mb free on GB everythings gets very slow, with ICS it seems to handle it a bit more elegantly from a user experience.
Please don't think I'm pesimistic here, I'm just going off the comments: Given that OEM releases tend to be bloated and memory wasteful, it's not looking great for an LG ICS release that is 'fully' working. If they pull it off and allow tegra games to run, then I'll be impressed
the official release from LG should be more efficient, and once you remove bloatwares, it should be quite a charm
Hi,
The Google Nexus S also has only 512Mb, and a certain amount of those allocated to GPU (though I don't remember how many), and ICS works like a charm on it... So I think it shouldn't be a problem on our O2X! :-D
hearoy said:
Hi,
The Google Nexus S also has only 512Mb, and a certain amount of those allocated to GPU (though I don't remember how many), and ICS works like a charm on it... So I think it shouldn't be a problem on our O2X! :-D
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It has the same config (128 for the GPU, 384 of available RAM) and works really fine.
Obviously a full gigabyte would be awesome.
Cheers!
Im typing using my optimus one running icss.
NOTE: my phone can only be over clocked till 729mhz.
So for our 2x it will be no prob.
Just need propriety files.
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I had this phone since 2011 it came with android 2.1 .the phone should have 512mb of RAM but always shows 312mb. I read somewhere that if I upgrade android it will change to 512mb but it still stayed the same. It was running android 2.3 gingerbread until now. I decided to install a custom ROM this year.I installed CyanogenMod 11 snapshot release. It brought so many new cool features to the phone and made it much easier to use. But the RAM is full. Apps like Facebook and Google+ are using up the RAM. Should I get an older version of CyanogenMod? Like cm10, or cm11? I think that the older versions would use less RAM to run on the phone.
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Sippay said:
I had this phone since 2011 it came with android 2.1 .the phone should have 512mb of RAM but always shows 312mb. I read somewhere that if I upgrade android it will change to 512mb but it still stayed the same. It was running android 2.3 gingerbread until now. I decided to install a custom ROM this year.I installed CyanogenMod 11 snapshot release. It brought so many new cool features to the phone and made it much easier to use. But the RAM is full. Apps like Facebook and Google+ are using up the RAM. Should I get an older version of CyanogenMod? Like cm10, or cm11? I think that the older versions would use less RAM to run on the phone.
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You're always gonna have some RAM used. You can sacrifice your hd recording for more RAM (with another kernel). But unless you really need it, having 200 RAM being used is nothing.
You cant get whole 512MB of installed RAM as free space in this world! android OS itself consumes 40-50% RAM! Some of the exceptional ROMs like SlimROMS consume less amount of RAM. Secondly, You cant expect Apps like Facebook,Google+,Flipboard work like charm on Captivate as they consume more RAM and Cache memory for their benefit. If you want to use those kind of apps, then you should keep closing them whenever not required. You better use Greenify app from the playstore, it hibernates apps when not in use!
Hope it helps! :fingers-crossed: Cheers! :good:
Use any KK rom with NeatKernel 1.09, works great and its very fast in any ROM. I just can't play videos in instagram and sometimes in snapchat but i can live without it. And i deleted some system apps i dont use like native keyboard, calendar, talkback, etc.
The 1st gen SGS devices (including the original Galaxy Tab) only has 384mb of "real" RAM. The rest is for the graphic card. With a bigmem kernel, you can sacrifice HD recording/playback for another 30-40mb.