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Snapdragon S4 Thermal Comparison and Butter Benchmark

Ironic that the Nexus 4 has thermal problems when Qualcomm seems particularly proud of the low temps of the S4 chip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mSD_EhgGSc

It'll be fine man.
wait for the phone.
Saw everyone *****ing about the Benchmarks right?
and see the Improvements now,so wait 3 more days

XxStatiX said:
It'll be fine man.
wait for the phone.
Saw everyone *****ing about the Benchmarks right?
and see the Improvements now,so wait 3 more days
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I'm confident they will work it out. I will wait 3 more days AND wait for one hardware revision before locking myself in.

dynamicpda said:
I'm confident they will work it out. I will wait 3 more days AND wait for one hardware revision before locking myself in.
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Yeah man i'm pretty confident too.
This one's should be a beast.
And at this price,we shouldnt complain too much :silly:

XxStatiX said:
It'll be fine man.
wait for the phone.
Saw everyone *****ing about the Benchmarks right?
and see the Improvements now,so wait 3 more days
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The improvements were from putting the phone in the freezer. Do you intend to operate your phone in a freezer at all times?

abe in space said:
The improvements were from putting the phone in the freezer. Do you intend to operate your phone in a freezer at all times?
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Throttling only happens in graphics benchmarks!!!!!
When you play games the GPU is fast enought reach the vsznc limit (60fps) without any problems which means the GPU isn't fully stressed and won't throttle .
And besides even when throttled the Adreno is still 2x faster then tegra 3 or mali-400mp in some benchmarks.
That beeing said I'm pretty confident that this problem will be fixed either by LG/Qualcomm themselves or by the great devs in this forum (undervolting, raising the temperature the GPU starts to throttle)

abe in space said:
The improvements were from putting the phone in the freezer. Do you intend to operate your phone in a freezer at all times?
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Source ?
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Disregard

abe in space said:
The improvements were from putting the phone in the freezer. Do you intend to operate your phone in a freezer at all times?
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Says who?
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how will we know when they have a hardware revision? how long does that usually take?

abe in space said:
The improvements were from putting the phone in the freezer. Do you intend to operate your phone in a freezer at all times?
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USSENTERNCC1701E said:
I think you may have taken a joke out of context.
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Oh, well there it on the reddit post
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/12rk7s/anandtech_have_run_new_nexus_4_benchmarks_which/

My point is that we should wait to see the true story for ourselves.
Hmmm.

XxStatiX said:
My point is that we should wait to see the true story for ourselves.
Hmmm.
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https://twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/266194787466616832

its most probably a low thermal limit set for the review devices. its set to 60c? that is kind of low to set it at that value. the Galaxy Nexus was set to 80c if im not mistaken
Wait for the final devices, then we can test it ourselves

IINexusII said:
its most probably a low thermal limit set for the review devices. its set to 60c? that is kind of low to set it at that value. the Galaxy Nexus was set to 80c if im not mistaken
Wait for the final devices, then we can test it ourselves
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The Galaxy S2 has a limit of 85°C if I'm not mistaken, 60°C seems pretty conservative indeed.

wurzelsepp3 said:
The Galaxy S2 has a limit of 85°C if I'm not mistaken, 60°C seems pretty conservative indeed.
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ah well if the s2s thermal limit was 85 , then yea, maybe this is just set a little too conservative

Do we know it has thermal issues? I've seen no proof and only speculation.....
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italia0101 said:
ah well if the s2s thermal limit was 85 , then yea, maybe this is just set a little too conservative
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I dunno my GS2 got really hot around the camera area, so boiling I had to get a case for it lol.

WTF :silly:
1- this s4 dual core = less heating
2- yeah the dumbest thing ever compering 28Nm cpu with 40Nm cpu

I asked a reviewer (one who has only just posted their review, so they spent alot longer than some with the phone) on G+ whether he noticed any overheating. He said he hadn't ANY warming at all. It sounds like for every day use there won't be any issue.

Brac20 said:
I asked a reviewer (one who has only just posted their review, so they spent alot longer than some with the phone) on G+ whether he noticed any overheating. He said he hadn't ANY warming at all. It sounds like for every day use there won't be any issue.
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The basic point is that it does happen. Which it shouldn't. Perhaps the problem is indeed that they set the max temp too low (60c). Only time will tell.

Stop your n4 from overheating and stop under clocking to 1.2 GHz!!

so I have done the thermal paste in my phone and everything else to get my phone cold . and it still got hot so I found out the droid dna has almost the same chip set and HTC had fine tuned there thermald.conf more than just Google did with the source code . also like lg pumping out a base cheap phone without a thermal pad under the CPU.so if you navigate to system/etc/ you will see the thermald.conf file replace it with the droid DNA file and rename your stock one to thermald.conf.bak and change the permissions of the new one to rw-r-r and reboot and your phone runs much cooler .
I just hate it cause I do no social networking or gaming on my phone and it just web browsing .phone calls or texting and it got super hot even with a under volt and and mp decision off .
I guess the quest continues . I have kept the file off to save misguidance
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda app-developers app

This .conf file ignores the battery temp sensor completely.

so is good to use or not ?
Carbonized from my pretty cool Nexus 4
Best Antutu : 24258 / Best Quadrant : 8643

How exactly is a config file that is supposed to underclock the CPU/GPU when the temperature gets too hot in order to cool the phone down supposed to make the phone run cooler without underclocking at all?

raidrom said:
so I have done the thermal paste in my phone and everything else to get my phone cold . and it still got hot so I found out the droid dna has almost the same chip set and HTC had fine tuned there thermald.conf more than just Google did with the source code . also like lg pumping out a base cheap phone without a thermal pad under the CPU.so if you navigate to system/etc/ you will see the thermald.conf file replace it with the droid DNA file and rename your stock one to thermald.conf.bak and change the permissions of the new one to rw-r-r and reboot and your phone runs much cooler .
I just hate it cause I do no social networking or gaming on my phone and it just web browsing .phone calls or texting and it got super hot even with a under volt and and mp decision off .
Now if I can find a way to upload the droid DNA thermald.conf
Try this link http://db.tt/m6Ge0aYK
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Of course your phone is hot, you disabled mp decision. Re-enable it first you idiot.
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axbang56 said:
so is good to use or not ?
Carbonized from my pretty cool Nexus 4
Best Antutu : 24258 / Best Quadrant : 8643
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Dunno... but I've had my conf file edited since day 1 to change the battery sensor first trigger temp to 43 instead of 36 degrees.

XxVcVxX said:
Of course your phone is hot, you disabled mp decision. Re-enable it first you idiot.
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Why would I enable mpdecision ? It makes my min at 1026 with just a touch of the screen .
And for everybody else I did find out there is no battery sensor detecting like buddy said . I dunno I have been using it for over a day now and it seems to be alright . just HTC edited it a little heavier .
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the kernel i run has the battery thermal throttle disabled, i disabled the cpu thermal throttle, and i run all 4 cores set as minimum, mpdecision disabled, im a heavy user, and its in the 90's in nyc.. and my phone doesnt overheat. why is that?

Maybe you have different binned cpu
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raidrom said:
Maybe you have different binned cpu
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nominal

Why don't we stop name calling and present facts, statistics, and tests. I hate how my phone always over heats and would like a solution.

Diferent cpu
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XGrinder911 said:
Why don't we stop name calling and present facts, statistics, and tests. I hate how my phone always over heats and would like a solution.
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name calling? by overheat, what temperature are you talking about?

I'm going to stick to 1.5ghz as Google intended it to be.

XGrinder911 said:
Why don't we stop name calling and present facts, statistics, and tests. I hate how my phone always over heats and would like a solution.
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Mine to ! Its like a 201k one of the older units but I bought it from some apple guy for $300 even and I am pretty sure I lost my RMA privaliges . so I tore the phone apart . put artic silver all over and aluminum under my CPU's and also under my battery but it will still get warm .turning on mpdecision I guess does help with the new thermals.conf file . so yeah this thread sucks .
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Lol at people thermal pasting a phone. Totally not needed. Bad uneducated tech bloggers have everyone running around like chicken little over normal phone temps
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styckx said:
Lol at people thermal pasting a phone. Totally not needed. Bad uneducated tech bloggers have everyone running around like chicken little over normal phone temps
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this!
thanks(out of thanks).

So what is the normal temperate for the phone?

Holy. Really bro? Reapply thermal paste? On a phone? A phone that's so locked down you can't even change the battery....
Makes me wonder what the temps you were getting...
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TG2708 said:
So what is the normal temperate for the phone?
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depends what the surrounding temps are and what you are doing. if its going over 80C and youre not doing anything(idling), thats beyond normal. if you are hitting 70C and are playing a cpu intensive game for a bit, thats still normal. if your phone does actually overheat, itll hit the cpu safety temp and turn itself off, to cool down. i believe its 95 or 100C. ive actually hit 100C(trying to get it that hot), and it shut itself down. then i just booted it back up(was around 40C when it booted). depending on the air temp around you, and what you were just doing with the device, idling temps in the mid 40C to 50C are still normal.
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bleuwave said:
Holy. Really bro? Reapply thermal paste? On a phone? A phone that's so locked down you can't even change the battery....
Makes me wonder what the temps you were getting...
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the battery is fairly easy to change, the back comes right off.

[Q] Performance Issues

I purchased a new prepaid T-Mobile Note 4 from BestBuy few days ago. Today I have noticed that when I run benchmarks, I am getting very low scores. On Antutu, I am only getting around 26000, but sometimes I am getting the normal scores i.e, 46k. Even when running other benchmark applications, I noticed that I was getting only around half scores but sometimes I am getting normal scores.
I don't understand this strange behaviour. Is my phone defective ? Should I return it ?
P.S: I have not rooted this phone. I tried a factory reset, and there is no power saving mode turned on.

Does the phone feel slow? Is it heating up under normal use?
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The phone is OK and gets heated up at times. Yesterday I played MC5 for about 15mins it was okay,but sometimes while running benchmarks it gets heated up

Can someone help me my phone feels absolutely normal but my benchmark scores are not that good.... Really?
Stop benchmarking phones I keep telling people that.. Not everyone phone will perform the same as long as it feels nice and snappy you should be all set

Some people have loaded hundreds of apps on to their phones, which can affect performance.
Do you have a lot of apps? How's your free space?
I wouldn't really rely on benchmarks as the sole indicator of performance. That being said, is the phone laggy? You said it performs "OK" but one person's idea of OK can be quite different than the next persons idea of it.
Also, where did you purchase the phone from? There's quite a few fake Note 4's floating around. If you purchased it through your carrier, go ahead and request a swap.

Do you have on power saver mode?

Best buy sells note4 for TMOBILE? Hmmmm by me they don't support any TMOBILE.
BAD ASS NOTE 4 + BAD ASS GEAR S

shook187 said:
Can someone help me my phone feels absolutely normal but my benchmark scores are not that good.... Really?
Stop benchmarking phones I keep telling people that.. Not everyone phone will perform the same as long as it feels nice and snappy you should be all set
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I know benchmarks are not an indication of performance, but atleast there should be some consistency, right ? Sometimes, I get normal scores similar to other Note 4 devices as expected. But sometime I get HALF the scores or much less than older devices, something which is not expected out of this device. So I doubt is there anything wrong my particular unit ?
Temetka said:
Some people have loaded hundreds of apps on to their phones, which can affect performance.
Do you have a lot of apps? How's your free space?
I wouldn't really rely on benchmarks as the sole indicator of performance. That being said, is the phone laggy? You said it performs "OK" but one person's idea of OK can be quite different than the next persons idea of it.
Also, where did you purchase the phone from? There's quite a few fake Note 4's floating around. If you purchased it through your carrier, go ahead and request a swap.
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I just installed a few apps around 10-20 that's it. I purchased it from BestBuy, so it is not a fake one for sure. !
Bruce lee roy said:
Do you have on power saver mode?
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No, I don't have any of the power saving modes on.
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Best buy sells note4 for TMOBILE? Hmmmm by me they don't support any TMOBILE.
BAD ASS NOTE 4 + BAD ASS GEAR S
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Yes they are selling a prepaid No contract Note 4 locked to T-Mobile network. I got it for 699. Now it is out of stock though ! And yeah, it is indeed a bad ass PHONE !!

Majority of benchmarks put so much load on processor that after few minutes it heats up, overheat protection kicks in and slows down cpu. If you run few benchmarks one after each other then phone has no time to cool off. There is some roms available on xda which modifies how long you can run on full speed and higher temperature until cpu slows down.
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A modified kernel is the only thing that will allow you to adjust thermal throttling. Hoever i do not recomend adjusting theses settings, this will damage your cpu. Thats what the thermal governor is for.

Oh, yeah. When I got my N4, the benchmarks sucked! Slower than my S3! Rooted, put on a custom ROM and it's all good. No heating, nothing. Even went back to Stock when the update came...and it was still good. Not sure, what was wrong...or what happened from Stock to Custom to Stock...

SiNJiN76 said:
Oh, yeah. When I got my N4, the benchmarks sucked! Slower than my S3! Rooted, put on a custom ROM and it's all good. No heating, nothing. Even went back to Stock when the update came...and it was still good. Not sure, what was wrong...or what happened from Stock to Custom to Stock...
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Haha yes. It's very strange though. So, I have finally decided to root and install a custom ROM. I only hope there is no heating.
And do I lose the possibility of updating to official Lollipop through Odin (not OTA's) when the offical 5.0.2 comes out ?
Thanks

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Haha yes. It's very strange though. So, I have finally decided to root and install a custom ROM. I only hope there is no heating.
And do I lose the possibility of updating to official Lollipop through Odin (not OTA's) when the offical 5.0.2 comes out ?
Thanks
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Overheating should be reduced. Lollipop you will have to odin stock firmware or if you made a back up of stock rom with a stock kernel.
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I'm not gonna go running out to get lollipop as soon as it comes out. I will wait to see what issues people are having first. Right now I'm pretty satisfied with kit kat.

Highest Antutu Score by ONE PLUS FIVE !!!!!

Its a matter of pride to own highest antutu scoring device 1+5...
after update to 4.5.5 i got 184272....

asharma7 said:
Its a matter of pride to own highest antutu scoring device 1+5...
after update to 4.5.5 i got 184272....
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Sorry mate but I have the highest score ?
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Its doing better and better...
mine was on top in ranking by antutu

Sorry guys .never loose in antutu ...best scores in all devices I own ..and they are tons of em.

red numbers....

dukat0s said:
Sorry guys .never loose in antutu ...best scores in all devices I own ..and they are tons of em.
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Impressive what's your setup?
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marceloz5 said:
red numbers....
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Yeah u11 got red numbers too even stock with perfomance mode....cause fsync so? The point. ?
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ilia1985 said:
Impressive what's your setup?
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Eas coming soon

I was getting 190k with boeffla kernel... Fully charged... then leave it on cold surface to cool down... and then do test with screen on cold surface... Some people said it gets better if you keep it in fridge during test... but I'm not doing that... lol

Wow.. So amazing... Now your phone can take ur dog for a walk.. Cook good for you.. Do your daily chores.. Make it more fast may be it can do what you couldn't even imagine..!! :highfive:

asharma7 said:
Its a matter of pride to own highest antutu scoring device 1+5...
after update to 4.5.5 i got 184272....
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

arjunarora said:
Wow.. So amazing... Now your phone can take ur dog for a walk.. Cook good for you.. Do your daily chores.. Make it more fast may be it can do what you couldn't even imagine..!! :highfive:
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And your point is? ?
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dondavis007 said:
And your point is? ?
Skickat från min ONEPLUS A5000 via Tapatalk
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Nothing sir.. Just that these number don't mean anything.. Atleast to me and some others like me..

Congratulations! One Plus have fooled you into thinking your Antutu score is amazing! You have read the reports One Plus cheat on benchmarks haven't you?

dcrnic said:
I was getting 190k with boeffla kernel... Fully charged... then leave it on cold surface to cool down... and then do test with screen on cold surface... Some people said it gets better if you keep it in fridge during test... but I'm not doing that... lol
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actually, the fridge thing probably won't work on OP5 with OOS because of their benchmark "cheating" thing, they removed most of the thermal throttling anyways I think...

asharma7 said:
Its a matter of pride to own highest antutu scoring device 1+5...
after update to 4.5.5 i got 184272....
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Why would you have any pride in this? they cheat you idiot.

Shocky2 said:
Why would you have any pride in this? they cheat you idiot.
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Lance Armstrong was proud when he won the Tour De France!

Shocky2 said:
Why would you have any pride in this? they cheat you idiot.
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It isn't exactly cheating. Besides all your so called cheating does is boost scores max by measly 1k-2k points if any at all. Besides if you knew how benchmarks worked you would know that locking freqs at max doesn't help but makes it worst due to throttling.
And for those that don't know red score on antutu means fsync is off which isn't exactly cheating.
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ilia1985 said:
It isn't exactly cheating. Besides all your so called cheating does is boost scores max by measly 1k-2k points if any at all. Besides if you knew how benchmarks worked you would know that locking freqs at max doesn't help but makes it worst due to throttling.
And for those that don't know red score on antutu means fsync is off which isn't exactly cheating.
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Is that you Carl?

asharma7 said:
Its a matter of pride to own highest antutu scoring device 1+5...
after update to 4.5.5 i got 184272....
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You're amazing! WOW:cyclops:

dcrnic said:
I was getting 190k with boeffla kernel... Fully charged... then leave it on cold surface to cool down... and then do test with screen on cold surface... Some people said it gets better if you keep it in fridge during test... but I'm not doing that... lol
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I used to choose to leave my note 4 in the fridge while flashing roms or making backups. That thing would shoot up to 75°C the second I started doing anything. ??
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can anyone post "cpu throttling test" results for k20 pro?

app is available on playstore named "cpu throttling test", you need to keep the device idle atleast for 5-10mins before starting the test, run the test in foreground for 10 mins, dont use the phone while the test is going on. Also how are the thermals like whe playing pubgm on extreme fps on this device?

Chinese Miui 10.3.11 8/128
Big core clocked down after 2mins, then after 4:30 all cores started downclocking

This is the results I've got
http://imgur.com/a/8qMVFPZ
Don't know how accurate it is though

hyperkiller said:
Chinese Miui 10.3.11 8/128
Big core clocked down after 2mins, then after 4:30 all cores started downclocking
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Hahaha...? With Malakas Kernel I have score around 160,000 GIPS after 15 minutes and with unthermal module I have score around 190,000 GIPS with my Pocophone F1 after the same time. So we certainly need custom Kernels for these new phones...

billybrownbear said:
This is the results I've got
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Don't know how accurate it is though
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Oh very nice, even after 10 minutes barely any throttling!
Did you let it run with room temperature?

patoberli said:
Oh very nice, even after 10 minutes barely any throttling!
Did you let it run with room temperature?
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remember to take the results with a grain of salt. judging from the reviews it's not always accurate. don't remember the exact weather conditions but i wasn't in a sauna or anything. probably was around 25°C

You haven't seen my Mi 5s which has stock Rom. It throttles by nearly 50% of max speed after ~4 minutes of use and even disables one of the two high performance cores. In other words, games start to lag after 4-5 minutes.
So I'm happy to see that this doesn't happen here

Hey guys, can someone please direct me to a resource on "unthermal module" for Pocophone? Is it a kernel that allows modification of the termal throttling values?
Thanks a lot!

I did 2 tests, one with Game Turbo On and the other Off.
It throttled when Game Turbo was Off.

RaduNastase said:
Hey guys, can someone please direct me to a resource on "unthermal module" for Pocophone? Is it a kernel that allows modification of the termal throttling values?
Thanks a lot!
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For pocophone? You should post in poco thread instead then.

Lineage OS, can't remember if stock or immensity, probably the latter, thermal controller set to benchmark.

odssssssss said:
I did 2 tests, one with Game Turbo On and the other Off.
It throttled when Game Turbo was Off.
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Did it again, with Game Turbo On.
Those brown shiny strips on my phone cover are copper tapes. Got them off Lazada / Shoppee for around RM10. i.e. USD 3.
I think they could help distribute heat on the back of the phone over a larger area.

odssssssss said:
Did it again, with Game Turbo On.
Those brown shiny strips on my phone cover are copper tapes. Got them off Lazada / Shoppee for around RM10. i.e. USD 3.
I think they could help distribute heat on the back of the phone over a larger area.
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It shows throttling so how come you're saying it helps? Or did you post a wrong screenshot?

nakulp said:
It shows throttling so how come you're saying it helps? Or did you post a wrong screenshot?
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It still throttles, but not that badly as before. You can compare my Min score with the other users.
Meanwhile could you also run the same test and post your Min Max Average scores? Would be nice if there's more data for everyone to benchmark against

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It still throttles, but not that badly as before. You can compare my Min score with the other users.
Meanwhile could you also run the same test and post your Min Max Average scores? Would be nice if there's more data for everyone to benchmark against
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Aha! I see it now! Min.181 vs much lower minimum like 165/171 etc with others..:good::laugh:
Yes, I'll upload too