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No (real) push email even with Xpress Mail!!

After dealing with buggy versions of Windows Live (I got one version to work reasonably well with push, though it's spotty), I decided to try
Xpress Mail after reading that it has improved.
I set it up on my AT&T Fuze (stock ROM) to use my Gmail account and soft-reset. It's set up to do push by default. I sent myself three test e-mails and, of course, none of them came to my phone immediately. It took anywhere from five to 15 minutes for an e-mail to come through.
After I performed a manual send/receive I sent myself a couple more e-mails and NOTHING! They all came super late.
I know some folks on here are having no problems with their e-mail, but why the hell is it so hard for others to get our push e-mail going?

I've always been under the impression that "push" mail only works with an Exchange Server... and it works well with my business e-mails. I check gmail through IMAP which is an improvement overPOP3, but still needs to poll the server on a schedule.

diar said:
After dealing with buggy versions of Windows Live (I got one version to work reasonably well with push, though it's spotty), I decided to try
Xpress Mail after reading that it has improved.
I set it up on my AT&T Fuze (stock ROM) to use my Gmail account and soft-reset. It's set up to do push by default. I sent myself three test e-mails and, of course, none of them came to my phone immediately. It took anywhere from five to 15 minutes for an e-mail to come through.
After I performed a manual send/receive I sent myself a couple more e-mails and NOTHING! They all came super late.
I know some folks on here are having no problems with their e-mail, but why the hell is it so hard for others to get our push e-mail going?
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Push email is a service provided by the email carrier or vendor, exchange works very good with push because I use it on a daily basis. GMail (as far as I know) does not offer Push, what Xpress mail does is poll (via IMAP) to gmail and pushes the emails once Xpress has received it rather then having your phone do the polling.

Are you serieus? Why my w810i/k850i/w960i all used pushmail service from Gmail? So yes it have pushmail for shure, only MS don't like the idea of not using exchange for it and now we all have to suffer for that :S

diar said:
After dealing with buggy versions of Windows Live (I got one version to work reasonably well with push, though it's spotty), I decided to try
Xpress Mail after reading that it has improved.
I set it up on my AT&T Fuze (stock ROM) to use my Gmail account and soft-reset. It's set up to do push by default. I sent myself three test e-mails and, of course, none of them came to my phone immediately. It took anywhere from five to 15 minutes for an e-mail to come through.
After I performed a manual send/receive I sent myself a couple more e-mails and NOTHING! They all came super late.
I know some folks on here are having no problems with their e-mail, but why the hell is it so hard for others to get our push e-mail going?
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i'm using Mobipush(.com) with satisfaction.
Ciao

I have windows live set up on ROMeOS and I'm having no problem with push. Sometimes I send CABs to myself so i can get them on my phone and it always happens instantly.

jaapschaap said:
So yes it have pushmail for shure, only MS don't like the idea of not using exchange for it and now we all have to suffer for that :S
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If MS didn't like the idea of not using exchange... they wouldn't allow outlook to get mail from pop3/imap. If that's suffering you need to expand your horizons a bit... Sorry for the rant, just tired of anti-MS (not that I'm a big fan). Credit where credit is due.
I didn't read the RFC, but I don't think IMAP supports "push". There is a new proposal for Push-IMAP (P-IMAP) based on IMAP4... Android OS seems to support "push" Gmail and iPhones have some proprietary hooks to get "push" Gmail. So "push" Gmail is out there...

hchavarria said:
Push email is a service provided by the email carrier or vendor, exchange works very good with push because I use it on a daily basis. GMail (as far as I know) does not offer Push, what Xpress mail does is poll (via IMAP) to gmail and pushes the emails once Xpress has received it rather then having your phone do the polling.
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GMail (as far as I know) does not offer Push.....
Emoze - www.emoze.com offers not only G'Mail "pushed" but also access to G'Apps too!!!!!
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IMAP IDLE can be called Push-Mail.
The email client can stay in contact with the IMAP server, which tells the client that there is new mail.
Unfortunately, Outlook Mobile does NOT support IMAP IDLE.
ImapPusherService adds this functionality, but it's still an early version...

I'm not satisfied with Xpress email either. I've only added my main Gmail on so far for testing, but I have several more I want to monitor. With my Treo 680 I had no problem with email monitoring. During Mon-Fri daytime I monitor all my accts with thunderbird portable and therefore don't want email being picked up by the phone too. I set up the custom time settings in Xpress to not do this and yet, email still came through. Also it often picks up old mail - mail that was sent several days ago that I'd already read via POP on thunderbird, etc. I don't want to deal with this ridiculousness. I don't need instant Push per se, but at least the ability to set an account to check every five minutes. Would I be able to replace Xpress with Emoze, FlexMail, ProfiMail, or other email apps smoothly? As in replace it on my email tab easily?

I've had no issued with xpress mail. I'm actually participating in their beta program and have hotmail, yahoo and my work lotus notes mail pushing. A lot of times I will get mail on my htc touch pro before my Notes client on my laptop pulls in the mail.
The big ting I'm looking for (for my wifes phone) is a solution that can push contacts and calendar from yahoo, hotmail or gmail.
Lastly I wish one of these solutions would some how include a script or something triggering your VPN client. When I'm away from my desktop I need the connector to reconnect to the work mail server but it can't without me manually starting my vpn client.
Maybe I need to learn how to write a script to not own launch my VPN client but also to click on connect...

For everyone that claims Gmail doesn't offer push, if i connect the first time to it via imap on every latest model (later then w810i) it says 'gmail offers pushmail, activate it on this phone?'... it workes really great (on a SE phone) but MS don't like us to use other clients...
It just sucks, and of there was a real solution for this (a real program instead of ms outlook) it wil be used by almost everyone with wm i quess!

I wanted to throw out some names: I use Seven's Beta for my university (Yale) IMAP push. I also use Funambol to synchronize contacts, tasks, notes, calendar with Outlook.
Alternatives for Push Gmail include Emansio, Emoze, IMAP-pusher service, Mobipush.
I've posted on this issue extensively, so just do a search!

Okay so I need to know which is better:
Seven?
eMoze?
Mobipush?
Emansio?
I currently use seven and don't like that it can't set times to push the data (say every hour). It just leaves a time on to push. Like a time period. How is mobipush or emoze?

Kraize said:
Okay so I need to know which is better:
Seven?
eMoze?
Mobipush?
Emansio?
I currently use seven and don't like that it can't set times to push the data (say every hour). It just leaves a time on to push. Like a time period. How is mobipush or emoze?
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Be frank forget all above. there is 2 best option you can have.
1) get mail2web.com account: they offering free exchange service.( my opionen best for free only negative point.. the mails that you send hve the extension [email protected]
2) flexmail software:I think best email client but takes some memory. with that you can download you mail (gmail) IMAP and IDLE which is kinda pushmail. it take 1 minute to arrive on you device.

Bulldog said:
Be frank forget all above. there is 2 best option you can have.
1) get mail2web.com account: they offering free exchange service.( my opionen best for free only negative point.. the mails that you send hve the extension [email protected]
2) flexmail software:I think best email client but takes some memory. with that you can download you mail (gmail) IMAP and IDLE which is kinda pushmail. it take 1 minute to arrive on you device.
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Seriously? Why? I have a yahoo account. And I've been using SEVEN so far, and it gets my mail faster than my mail counter on my yahoo widgets can count.

Mail App

Is it me of does the mail app suck big time. a good 75% of the time is gets a connection error. So I have been stuck heaving my gmail account grab my verizon email. And I am not a fan of doing that because if I reply it comes from my gmail account that I never planned on using.

K-9 Mail is supposedly a lot better. You'll find it in the market.

thanks I will have to, anything has to be better than that ****ty one that came installed.

K9Mail is being integrated into the Android OS. I use it all the time and I can see why they would do that, the app beats the built in app easily.

yeah k9 is awesome, it lets you set up how many emails to retrieve and doesn't auto delete accounts, it also has exchange support ()for the most part) and lets you download attachments.
yeah i heard that it will be part of the next update (hopefully)

yeah I did that, and have it set to send from my verizon.net account. But that only works to send on the PC. the phone will only send from my gmail account.
And I have been using k-9 now for the last 12 hours and it is 10 times better then the built in app. Only issue is it will not delete the mail off the server. So I submitted that as a bug.

[Q] multiple exchange accounts

On my old nexus S I am able to setup up multiple exchange accounts native.
I do an internship in 2 company 2 days in a week and also work in another company 3days in a week and I'm also planning to get office 365 for business for my private company (might sound complicated but it's workable). Doing the maths I need to be able to setup 3 exchange accounts wich works perfectly on my old nexus. (in fact need to set up 4 but I can live without the 4th one).
The important part is mail for 3 of them and callendar for 2 accounts (and if possible see google callendar + exchange callendars in 1 view based on colors) all my contact are on gmail since they overlap and gmail makes it easy.
I was setting up my phone on the htc website "https://start.htcsense.com" but at the end when I reached setting up accounts I'm only able to setup 1 exchange account is this on the device the same or not. Already preordered my htc one so would love to know if I have to cancel my order or not before it arives

suboxide said:
On my old nexus S I am able to setup up multiple exchange accounts native.
I do an internship in 2 company 2 days in a week and also work in another company 3days in a week and I'm also planning to get office 365 for business for my private company (might sound complicated but it's workable). Doing the maths I need to be able to setup 3 exchange accounts wich works perfectly on my old nexus. (in fact need to set up 4 but I can live without the 4th one).
The important part is mail for 3 of them and callendar for 2 accounts (and if possible see google callendar + exchange callendars in 1 view based on colors) all my contact are on gmail since they overlap and gmail makes it easy.
I was setting up my phone on the htc website "https://start.htcsense.com" but at the end when I reached setting up accounts I'm only able to setup 1 exchange account is this on the device the same or not. Already preordered my htc one so would love to know if I have to cancel my order or not before it arives
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It is possible to set up multiple exchange accounts using the HTC email application on the HTC one.
The application in itself is graphically beautiful and a pleasure to use.....however it is functionally lacklustre. Managing folders is a nightmare, the colour of each account cannot be edited etc etc
Do yourself a favour, buy Enhnanced Email from the market and use that.
I also use a pay application for calendar (Business calendar).
Alternatively...wait until an AOSP rom is released...and you will have the same identical software experience you had with the nexus device.

thx for answer if I atleast can set up multiple accounts then thats good
I will look into those aps once I have my one

suboxide said:
thx for answer if I atleast can set up multiple accounts then thats good
I will look into those aps once I have my one
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It is a shame that HTC did not refine their email app. Because it looks fantastic and is really smooth.
BUT
You cannot hide/unhide folders. Visualising emails is a pain as it defaults back to the "all messages" option...and thus if you have multiple accounts....and receive over 100 emails a day...it looks like a mess.
Enhanced email does not look pretty and the Dev has not been too active as of late...but it is functionally faultless in handling multiple accounts and calendars.
Touchdown from nirodesk would be perfect...except...they do not support syncing multiple account simultaneously.
K9 no native exchange support (WebDav does not work on Exchange 2010 servers)
Moxier Email has native exchange support but, imho, is just an inferior version of Enhanced email.

I will certainly look into enhanched email
I liked my old setup with native exchange mail client on my nexus since it looked like the gmail client (with much less features but still worked) and it worked perfectly with google calendar
but I'm willing to give sense a try even if I have to buy some new apps

[Q] IMAP Push email on Mail app ?

Is there is no support for PUSH email through IMAP on the stock mail app ? I've been using K9 and while K9 works great, the UI on the mail app looks more pleasing and easier to navigate than K9. I'd like to migrate my work email to it, but only if I can get push.
I'm leaning towards its not possible through IMAP because I couldn't find anything while in the settings, but it's worth a shot to ask.
Anyone know ?

efox29 said:
Is there is no support for PUSH email through IMAP on the stock mail app ? I've been using K9 and while K9 works great, the UI on the mail app looks more pleasing and easier to navigate than K9. I'd like to migrate my work email to it, but only if I can get push.
I'm leaning towards its not possible through IMAP because I couldn't find anything while in the settings, but it's worth a shot to ask.
Anyone know ?
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The stock HTC mail app has always supported this, so I'd be very surprised if anything has changed. Sounds like you already have the IMAP setup within your e-mail account, so you just add a new account and choose "Other (POP3/IMAP)" from the options and enter your particulars. Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync is also supported.

wnp_79 said:
The stock HTC mail app has always supported this, so I'd be very surprised if anything has changed. Sounds like you already have the IMAP setup within your e-mail account, so you just add a new account and choose "Other (POP3/IMAP)" from the options and enter your particulars. Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync is also supported.
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Doesnt work. On K9 it works flawlessly. With the mail app it doesnt.
The ONLY thing it could be, is my understanding of what SmarySync does. I've tried varies combinations of peak and off peak. But there is no push option. Its either smart sync, or some interval (every 5mins, 30mins, 1h etc..). With smart sync enabledd, it takes minimum 5 mins before I get a notification that I have an email. lol...thats the most laziest 'push' ive ever seen if that is what htc is calling push email. lol
Anyone get a non Google and non Microsoft Exchange email account added with working push ?

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I'm not entirely sure if this has changed but it used to be that POP and IMAP were client-based protocols meaning that the client initiates the act of message retrieval and the server sends messages as they're requested. Push requires a server initiated connection or at least would have to have a way to ping the client to make sure it's still available. Hopefully someone who knows more will chime in to confirm this or correct me where I'm wrong...

efox29 said:
Doesnt work. On K9 it works flawlessly. With the mail app it doesnt.
The ONLY thing it could be, is my understanding of what SmarySync does. I've tried varies combinations of peak and off peak. But there is no push option. Its either smart sync, or some interval (every 5mins, 30mins, 1h etc..). With smart sync enabledd, it takes minimum 5 mins before I get a notification that I have an email. lol...thats the most laziest 'push' ive ever seen if that is what htc is calling push email. lol
Anyone get a non Google and non Microsoft Exchange email account added with working push ?
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Far as I know, push doesn't work with the stock mail app. Smartsync just extends the sync interval when you don't use the mail app for a while.

[Q] Incredibly frustrated with N3+Gear - help please?

Good afternoon, Everyone - I hope everyone is having a great Saturday so far.
I, on the other hand, am incredibly frustrated and tired of trying to figure this out on my own... Also, I am in the middle of the woods today, and on a mobile device, so I am not as careful as I always am, so if by chance this has already been asked in a different thread, I am very sorry and I apologize...
I have the Note 3 with all latest updates. Not rooted. I also have the Galaxy Gear watch, again all the latest updates. I bought this watch primarily for two uses - to get notifications of my incoming text messages using the stock Samsung messaging app. Check - works great. The other reason, was so that I could get AND read my email messages using the stock Samsung email application. Check - works gr.... uh... not exactly. And HERE is my frustration...
Currently, in my STOCK Samsung Email app, I have the following accounts set up:
3 Gmail Accounts
1 Yahoo Account
1 Exchange work email account
Every time an email comes in on ANY of these accounts, I get an immediate notification on my watch. I can swipe, and read the entire email message. This is ALL I wanted. HOWEVER, even though in the very same stock email app, in the very same combined in-box, if I get a message specifically to my work Exchange email account, the watch ONLY displays that I have a message and to open it on the phone. It will not show ANYTHING in the email. But... the other accounts do with no problem! Why just this account, in the very same email app, with the same appearance and layout as the others??? I need this account more than anything - the others are just for fun and personal family, etc.
I did manage a temporary workaround however, but I am HOPING that you amazing folks here at XDA can give me an idea towards a solution. If I set up a MANUAL account to my work server using IMAP, our work server will allow me to only CHECK the mail, but not send. So I have no choice but to keep the existing Exchange account set up in my Samsung Mail App. However, I set up a SECOND entry in the same mail app, with my email address checking the email from my work server using IMAP and TLS. I just can't send.
Once I did that, I now receive TWO of every email from work. One in my normal inbox without a notification (turned off to avoid all the extra alerts on the phone), and the OTHER entry (IMAP) that I have labeled "Galaxy Gear Work Notifier". Now, the email WILL DISPLAY on my Watch, and I can read the whole email. But, if I pick up my phone to reply to the message, I have to switch inboxes on the mail app to the "real" Exchange one, and reply to the email.
There just has to be an easier way than this!!! I also own the Sony SmartWatch 2, but I personally don't like it as much as the Gear - but the Sony will read everything with all of the second party email notifiers out there.
Regardless that this is an Exchange account, it is coming into the very SAME STOCK SAMSUNG email application - so why do all the other email accounts display their email in full on the watch, but the one Exchange mail that comes in only says "open on phone" - what am I missing? This is driving me crazy, the fact that I can't figure this out....
I would appreciate any and all ideas VERY much - more than you know. Thank you in advance for helping and for the ideas. I appreciate it!
Mike

UPDATE - response from Samsung Engineer...
mcampellone72113 said:
Good afternoon, Everyone - I hope everyone is having a great Saturday so far.
I, on the other hand, am incredibly frustrated and tired of trying to figure this out on my own... Also, I am in the middle of the woods today, and on a mobile device, so I am not as careful as I always am, so if by chance this has already been asked in a different thread, I am very sorry and I apologize...
I have the Note 3 with all latest updates. Not rooted. I also have the Galaxy Gear watch, again all the latest updates. I bought this watch primarily for two uses - to get notifications of my incoming text messages using the stock Samsung messaging app. Check - works great. The other reason, was so that I could get AND read my email messages using the stock Samsung email application. Check - works gr.... uh... not exactly. And HERE is my frustration...
Currently, in my STOCK Samsung Email app, I have the following accounts set up:
3 Gmail Accounts
1 Yahoo Account
1 Exchange work email account
Every time an email comes in on ANY of these accounts, I get an immediate notification on my watch. I can swipe, and read the entire email message. This is ALL I wanted. HOWEVER, even though in the very same stock email app, in the very same combined in-box, if I get a message specifically to my work Exchange email account, the watch ONLY displays that I have a message and to open it on the phone. It will not show ANYTHING in the email. But... the other accounts do with no problem! Why just this account, in the very same email app, with the same appearance and layout as the others??? I need this account more than anything - the others are just for fun and personal family, etc.
I did manage a temporary workaround however, but I am HOPING that you amazing folks here at XDA can give me an idea towards a solution. If I set up a MANUAL account to my work server using IMAP, our work server will allow me to only CHECK the mail, but not send. So I have no choice but to keep the existing Exchange account set up in my Samsung Mail App. However, I set up a SECOND entry in the same mail app, with my email address checking the email from my work server using IMAP and TLS. I just can't send.
Once I did that, I now receive TWO of every email from work. One in my normal inbox without a notification (turned off to avoid all the extra alerts on the phone), and the OTHER entry (IMAP) that I have labeled "Galaxy Gear Work Notifier". Now, the email WILL DISPLAY on my Watch, and I can read the whole email. But, if I pick up my phone to reply to the message, I have to switch inboxes on the mail app to the "real" Exchange one, and reply to the email.
There just has to be an easier way than this!!! I also own the Sony SmartWatch 2, but I personally don't like it as much as the Gear - but the Sony will read everything with all of the second party email notifiers out there.
Regardless that this is an Exchange account, it is coming into the very SAME STOCK SAMSUNG email application - so why do all the other email accounts display their email in full on the watch, but the one Exchange mail that comes in only says "open on phone" - what am I missing? This is driving me crazy, the fact that I can't figure this out....
I would appreciate any and all ideas VERY much - more than you know. Thank you in advance for helping and for the ideas. I appreciate it!
Mike
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HELLO AGAIN guys - I have an update...
I was so pissed by all of this - mainly because I was SURE there was something that I was doing wrong, and that I couldn't figure it out.... SOOO - I called Samsung, and went to tier 3 support and spoke to an engineer (called the main support line, got to the Mobile device department, then Galaxy Gear), and they said that they were aware that the notifications with Microsoft Exchange accounts, even those set up within their stock app, were temporarily broken and would refer the user to open the mail on their phone.... but an update is being released at any time now again to the Gear which fixes this issue. By taking the Exchange authentication/security out of the loop, this is why my manually set IMAP version of the same email was working. He assured me that they received a large number of calls on this specific issue, mainly because of all the business users who rely on Exchange as their email method, using the stock mail app. So he promised this was being addressed asap. At least, I now KNOW that this was not just me, and that I was not nuts. If it's "supposed" to be broken right now, and they are addressing it, then I'm fine with that and can use my IMAP workaround for the time being...
Thanks very much everyone - have a great rest of the weekend!!!
Mike