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[Q] Should I try Stock Andoroid before CM12?

My Nexus 6 has finally shipped! It should be here Friday!
This is my first Nexus and I have never rooted, unlocked, flashed, etc. any of my previous phones.
I have been doing a lot of research and have been considering running CM12.
My question is, should I run my Nexus 6 with stock android for a few weeks and then try CM12? Or should I just root, unlock, and flash CM12 as soon as I get it?
I know that if I wait then I will need to back up all my data because it will factory data reset but I am not worried about that... I understand it is easier to do it right out of the box because you don't have to worry about loosing anything but I can just back my info/apps up so that isn't a big deal.
Also, would you guys suggest something over CM12? Right now I am planning on using CM12 and just getting it setup how I like it then leaving it. I don't plan on always flashing and making changes but I might get sucked into it lol
Thanks everyone!

Has CM moved to 5. 1 yet?
What version android came your phone?
Depending on those two answers you have to ask yourself if you want to downgrade your phone. At least version wise
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DebianDog said:
Has CM moved to 5. 1 yet?
What version android came your phone?
Depending on those two answers you have to ask yourself if you want to downgrade your phone. At least version wise
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Good point! I don't know if CM is on 5.1 yet. I just assumed it was but I will look into it. This is all new to me so thanks for pointing that out, didn't even think about that!
I won't know what version is on the phone until Friday. But even if it is on 5.0 I am sure it will notify me that 5.1 is ready to download as soon as I boot up the phone.

On my other phones I usually got rid of the stock and was on a custom ROM a pretty quick. I have tried a few ROMs on this phone as well. in my experience if you want to be on 5 .1 currently the best way to go is stock with debloating . Or use one of the clean/vanilla ROMs. Of course I did not test them all there are so many out there. Good luck with your new toy.
I will try CM after its been out a few weeks on 5 .1
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I'd recommend updating to 5.1 if it doesn't ship with 5.1. Then, I'd run stock for at least a few days to get a baseline for comparison. I think this is useful especially for bugs. That way you can get an idea of the issues that exist in stock 5.1 before using a custom ROM.

DebianDog said:
On my other phones I usually got rid of the stock and was on a custom ROM a pretty quick. I have tried a few ROMs on this phone as well. in my experience if you want to be on 5 .1 currently the best way to go is stock with debloating . Or use one of the clean/vanilla ROMs. Of course I did not test them all there are so many out there. Good luck with your new toy.
I will try CM after its been out a few weeks on 5 .1
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Okay, thanks for the info!
Since I ordered my phone directly from Google, do I need to debloat? Or is that just for carrier versions?

mlin said:
I'd recommend updating to 5.1 if it doesn't ship with 5.1. Then, I'd run stock for at least a few days to get a baseline for comparison. I think this is useful especially for bugs. That way you can get an idea of the issues that exist in stock 5.1 before using a custom ROM.
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Another great point! I knew you guys were the people to ask! lol
What about rooting and unlocking? Would you suggest waiting on that as well? Is there really any reason to unlock and root if I won't be running CM? I was going to root so that I could decrypte but it sounds like the lag from encryption is fixed in 5.1.

Well I would guess you WILL want to unlock and root because who does want to be able to run a root level ad blocker? Who wants to wait on OTA for an update? Not me.
I got mine from Google, as well, and heres what I did:
Played with the phone in stock form for like an hour saw it was still on 5.01 even after updating
Decided this is not for me. I wanted my root apps and I wanted to copy all the stuff off my old phone with Titanium backup to the Nexus
Looked on the interwebs for the easiest way to get root
Found a tool from my old buddy WugFresh (I knew him in the Droid X days)
Prepared myself for a giant PITA night. Download, drivers, and programs, reading various sites, etc, etc, etc
Was freaking SHOCKED that the tool did ALL THIS for me. I mean I literally plugged in my phone and it collected and set up everything. (It also has a console if you feel the need to type in adb commands)
Was unlocked, upgraded, rooted with a custom recovery with all my apps copied over in less than an hour
Sent Wuggy some $$$ and a thank-you note
You only need to decrypt, IMO, if you are running high end games that demand that level of performance. I have not seen any lag myself. Again this is my own personal experience. Your results may vary. 5.1 has optimized out many of the issues I heard about in 5.01 or so I have been told.

CFrance said:
Another great point! I knew you guys were the people to ask! lol
What about rooting and unlocking? Would you suggest waiting on that as well? Is there really any reason to unlock and root if I won't be running CM? I was going to root so that I could decrypte but it sounds like the lag from encryption is fixed in 5.1.
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I unlocked and rooted right away, mainly for the ability to use Titanium Backup to setup my phone and in the event that I installed a custom ROM. Outside of TB, I haven't really needed or used root, but it sure is nice to have. I played with a few custom ROMs before 5.1 came out but mostly felt that I preferred the stock experience. I downloaded the MCR modpack found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58019266&postcount=1 but have yet to install it. If/when I do, root will become more of a requirement for my uses.
I came from a Verizon Note 4 which could not be rooted. I got used to not playing with my phone and just using the stock experience. Its nice that the stock experience on the N6 is so fantastic and stable. It makes it easy to just use the phone without worry of fixing, modding, and adding features, though I still enjoy those aspects too which is why I'll likely use MultiROM next time I decide to install something custom.

Dude are you somehow tied up with this Tool Kit? You`re promoting it on so many threads i`am starting to get the impression you`re not quite objective about it There is no harm in using toolkits by xperienced users and i`am sure its well build, but for newbies its very dangerous because they`re lost if something should go wrong.

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Dude are you somehow tied up with this Tool Kit? You`re promoting it on so many threads i`am starting to get the impression you`re not quite objective about it There is no harm in using toolkits by xperienced users and i`am sure its well build, but for newbies its very dangerous because they`re lost if something should go wrong.
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Which is exactly why I'm promoting it it is almost bulletproof. what's the alternative loading all the different tools and drivers they need and following some instructions found on the internet.
And as I explained in my post you can just download the tool to make sure you have all the drivers and connections. use it to get the proper files you need and then run the command line like a power user if you want to feel better about yourself.
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DebianDog said:
Which is exactly why I'm promoting it it is almost bulletproof. what's the alternative loading all the different tools and drivers they need and following some instructions found on the internet.
And as I explained in my post you can just download the tool to make sure you have all the drivers and connections. use it to get the proper files you need and then run the command line like a power user if you want to feel better about yourself.
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I will never use/promote a Toolkit even if it seems very good for the reason i posted earlier. Flashing manualy in fastboot doesn`t take more time and makes users more aware about their phone and knowledge of it and gives you control over whats happening Just my 2 cents.

My two cents. I don't think you've dealt with enough newbies. on another forum it was me and a group of others that would help people get their phones out of boot loops and soft bricks. I have literally helped hundreds of people get their phone back.
even if you look here on XDA you'll see people trying to flash the wrong files download files that are not even for their phone, are following a dated instruction or don't really understand how directories work.
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DebianDog said:
Well I would guess you WILL want to unlock and root because who does want to be able to run a root level ad blocker? Who wants to wait on OTA for an update? Not me.
I got mine from Google, as well, and heres what I did:
Played with the phone in stock form for like an hour saw it was still on 5.01 even after updating
Decided this is not for me. I wanted my root apps and I wanted to copy all the stuff off my old phone with Titanium backup to the Nexus
Looked on the interwebs for the easiest way to get root
Found a tool from my old buddy WugFresh (I knew him in the Droid X days)
Prepared myself for a giant PITA night. Download, drivers, and programs, reading various sites, etc, etc, etc
Was freaking SHOCKED that the tool did ALL THIS for me. I mean I literally plugged in my phone and it collected and set up everything. (It also has a console if you feel the need to type in adb commands)
Was unlocked, upgraded, rooted with a custom recovery with all my apps copied over in less than an hour
Sent Wuggy some $$$ and a thank-you note
You only need to decrypt, IMO, if you are running high end games that demand that level of performance. I have not seen any lag myself. Again this is my own personal experience. Your results may vary. 5.1 has optimized out many of the issues I heard about in 5.01 or so I have been told.
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Thanks for the info! I actually had just downloaded this program over the weekend and was planning on using it once I do decide to root... which I am thinking will be as soon as I get the phone. lol other than that I think I am going to run it on stock for a while at first and wait until CM is on 5.1 for a while....

mlin said:
I unlocked and rooted right away, mainly for the ability to use Titanium Backup to setup my phone and in the event that I installed a custom ROM. Outside of TB, I haven't really needed or used root, but it sure is nice to have. I played with a few custom ROMs before 5.1 came out but mostly felt that I preferred the stock experience. I downloaded the MCR modpack found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58019266&postcount=1 but have yet to install it. If/when I do, root will become more of a requirement for my uses.
I came from a Verizon Note 4 which could not be rooted. I got used to not playing with my phone and just using the stock experience. Its nice that the stock experience on the N6 is so fantastic and stable. It makes it easy to just use the phone without worry of fixing, modding, and adding features, though I still enjoy those aspects too which is why I'll likely use MultiROM next time I decide to install something custom.
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Thanks! I am planning on rooting and unlocking right away for TB and maybe a couple other little things like lightflow just for fun. Being the nerd that I am, I have a feeling that once I start playing with the whole rooting, unlocking, and flashing stuff I am going to really enjoy it.

gee2012 said:
I will never use/promote a Toolkit even if it seems very good for the reason i posted earlier. Flashing manualy in fastboot doesn`t take more time and makes users more aware about their phone and knowledge of it and gives you control over whats happening Just my 2 cents.
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Thanks for the reply! I see what you are saying, I had already come across Wug's toolkit over the weekend and was planning on using that because it seemed so simple.
However, seeing how I still have two and a half days until my phone will be here, maybe I will look into the manual way a little more to decide which route I want to go.... Any suggestions on where to start? Threads, videos, etc?
Thanks!

Boot into download mode, Unlock bootloader, reboot, boot back into download mode, fastboot twrp recovery, boot into recovery, reboot via recovery and install su when prompted. When you boot into android you will be prompted to update su. You now are rooted. Only other thing I would think about when you first get your device is if you want forced encryption. You will be required to wipe SD data if you decide to go with non forced encryption.
I loved cm on my previous touchwiz devices because I like stock/asop style. I find cm has bugs in early os update releases. I would only install cm if i took advantage of themes which I don't.

CFrance said:
Any suggestions on where to start? Threads, videos, etc?
Thanks!
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You can waste a lot of time while you're waiting for your phone in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2992769
ROM Reviews (5.1) + Nexus 6 Hacking: NRT · Apps · Utilities [3.22.15]
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Dead Turbo?

So I was running CF 1.3 base for quite a while with no issues. Two days ago my phone shut down on me and would not boot. I wipe everything multiple times. I wiped cache. I did a factory reset, nothing... I wiped again. Nothing.
It gets past the Motorola logo and then just sits at the boot screen. A couple of times it would say updating android, it would finish, but then it would go right back to the boot screen. After about 8 hours it finally booted and I used it all day yesterday. This morning my issue is back. I've flashed different images to see if it has something to do with 1.3. It's all the same. I think I might try to go back to kit kat. It seems to be a software problem, but I am starting to think that something most be wrong with my hardware.
I found this thread: https://forums.motorola.com/posts/b0021413e7
I think my phone is shot... Any ideas?

When I had my Razr Maxx I had an issue that was similar and nothing I tried would fix it. Factory reset cache wipe flashing different roms nothing. Finally I decided to factory restore it with RSD Lite and after that the problem went away and I was able to do everything again like normal. I don't know why a factory reset wouldn't fix it and that did but it did.

Thanks. That is my next step. Do you know where I can find the RSD image?
Is this what I need? http://forum.xda-developers.com/dro...quark-stock-firmware-moto-maxx-droid-t3063470
Do I need to worry about flashing radios and stuff back to 4.4.4?

Seems to be. Honestly I've used it on many Motorolas in the past but I haven't read much about using RSDlite on the turbo. I would just do some googling around I'm sure you'll find it

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So I was running CF 1.3 base for quite a while with no issues. Two days ago my phone shut down on me and would not boot. I wipe everything multiple times. I wiped cache. I did a factory reset, nothing... I wiped again. Nothing.
It gets past the Motorola logo and then just sits at the boot screen. A couple of times it would say updating android, it would finish, but then it would go right back to the boot screen. After about 8 hours it finally booted and I used it all day yesterday. This morning my issue is back. I've flashed different images to see if it has something to do with 1.3. It's all the same. I think I might try to go back to kit kat. It seems to be a software problem, but I am starting to think that something most be wrong with my hardware.
I found this thread: https://forums.motorola.com/posts/b0021413e7
I think my phone is shot... Any ideas?
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This just happened to me yesterday. Long story short, I have a strong suspicion that something about the recent Moto Actions update is breaking our phones for reasons that I describe here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/help/complicated-problem-restore-doesnt-help-t3184251. I managed to fix it, but I re-broke it because I'm an idiot and the method I used before isn't working. If you get it fixed and get your 1.3 CF image back up and running, I would strongly recommend against allowing the Moto Actions update. I have a feeling that we're going to be hearing more about this soon from other people.

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This just happened to me yesterday. Long story short, I have a strong suspicion that something about the recent Moto Actions update is breaking our phones for reasons that I describe here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/help/complicated-problem-restore-doesnt-help-t3184251. I managed to fix it, but I re-broke it because I'm an idiot and the method I used before isn't working. If you get it fixed and get your 1.3 CF image back up and running, I would strongly recommend against allowing the Moto Actions update. I have a feeling that we're going to be hearing more about this soon from other people.
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That makes sense, after I finally got mine going, I updated Moto Actions and all the other apps it crashed again in about 12 hours. If I can finally get it to boot again, I think I am going to test your theory. If you figure out how to get it booted again, please share!
Edit, which rootjunky image did you flash? SU2-12?

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That makes sense. Like an idiot, after I finally got mine going, I updated Moto Actions and it crashed again. If I can finally get it to boot again, I think I am going to test your theory. If you figure out how to get it booted again, please share!
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I did get it booted again. I flashed the kitkat update (not the stock, stock update 1, which is what you should be on if you're using mofo) file on the firmware thread that was posted here using the version of RSDlite that was posted there. The key is just to wait a really, really long time. Even if the screen goes black, it could potentially still be booting, especially if the back of the phone gets warm. I left it plugged in, let it get to the boot animation and left the house for several hours, and when I got back it appeared to be functional, but things were slow and choppy at times and my home button didn't work. The settings menu from the pull down menu didn't work either. I had to access settings from the app drawer. I tried a factory reset from the settings menu, and that just re-broke everything. So now I'm back at square one. I re-flashed the same image using RSDlite again, and now I've waited about 10 minutes and I'm still looking at the boot screen, which at this point is normal since the problem occurred.
I got a hold of an old copy of the Motorola Sensor Services apk. As far as I can tell, this is the apk that is replaced by Moto Actions, which according to Google Play is only compatible with 5.0 and above. My plan for tonight is to wait until the thing decides to boot, attempt to start the stock Sensor Services app and get it to do the sensor firmware uninstall that I mentioned in my other post. If that doesn't work, I'm going to try to install the apk that I found and see if I have any more luck with that. I'll report back here when I get a chance to do that. Let me know if you figure out a solution.
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That makes sense, after I finally got mine going, I updated Moto Actions and all the other apps it crashed again in about 12 hours. If I can finally get it to boot again, I think I am going to test your theory. If you figure out how to get it booted again, please share!
Edit, which rootjunky image did you flash? SU2-12?
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Yeah, I used SU2-12.

I followed the procedure outlined here to go back to stock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6avEPGWB8E0 I used the SU2-12 file, but I lost everything... Thanks for the help. I hope there is a fix for this soon! I'll test your idea about MOTO Actions and report.
Edit: Well, I thought my phone was booting when I wrote the above, but it has been 30 minutes and it has not booted...

So, I can get it to boot - although it is not easy and it takes me like 30 minutes and I haven't found a full proof method yet, but after it goes to sleep I have to start the process all over. It has been a frustrating 3 days.

TheSt33v said:
This just happened to me yesterday. Long story short, I have a strong suspicion that something about the recent Moto Actions update is breaking our phones for reasons that I describe here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/help/complicated-problem-restore-doesnt-help-t3184251. I managed to fix it, but I re-broke it because I'm an idiot and the method I used before isn't working. If you get it fixed and get your 1.3 CF image back up and running, I would strongly recommend against allowing the Moto Actions update. I have a feeling that we're going to be hearing more about this soon from other people.
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I think you are onto something. I'm currently on 4.4.4 and it is bone stock. When I go into the Play Store it shows that I have Moto Actions installed, but when I click on the app it says that it is not compatible with my device. I've tried wiping the data from the app, force closing it, and clearing the cache. None of that has prompted me to uninstall the sensors. By the way, I found the Moto sensors app and tried doing the same thing, no luck.
So, I think I have the 5.1 Moto Actions installed still, which is causing the 4.4.4 image to freak out. I've thought about trying to go official 5.1 and see if that fixes it, but since I have a replacement on the way, think I might just leave it be - unless someone (like you) figures this thing out.

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I think you are onto something. I'm currently on 4.4.4 and it is bone stock. When I go into the Play Store it shows that I have Moto Actions installed, but when I click on the app it says that it is not compatible with my device. I've tried wiping the data from the app, force closing it, and clearing the cache. None of that has prompted me to uninstall the sensors. By the way, I found the Moto sensors app and tried doing the same thing, no luck.
So, I think I have the 5.1 Moto Actions installed still, which is causing the 4.4.4 image to freak out. I've thought about trying to go official 5.1 and see if that fixes it, but since I have a replacement on the way, think I might just leave it be - unless someone (like you) figures this thing out.
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I ended up getting a replacement from Motorola too. If it has 5.1 on it, I'll sell it and get one with 4.4.4. Thanks a lot for the tip, by the way. I might still work on it just as a hobby, but I'm out of ideas. Of all the many, many devices I've tinkered with, this is the first one that I ever permanently messed up, so I'd like to fix it as a matter of pride, but I now only have 48 hours to do so. After looking at logcats, the partition table of the phone and the androidmanifest.xml of the motorola sensor services apk, I'm pretty much certain that this app writes those sensor drivers to a partition other than the ones that get flashed when we up/downgrade (ie system, boot, recovery, etc.), which is why these processes don't fix the problem. Theoretically, if I knew which partition that was, I could find someone with a working Turbo who could dump that image, and if I get lucky and it's a partition that isn't sig checked by the bootloader (like the radios, for example), I could flash that and be good to go. I have no idea how to figure out which partition that would be, though. The obvious choice was the "firmware" partition, but that partition has a lot of drivers that seem to relate to lots of different important things, so messing with that seems scary. I also don't know anyone who is knowledgeable enough to generate that image (myself included), so it's a moot point.

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I ended up getting a replacement from Motorola too. If it has 5.1 on it, I'll sell it and get one with 4.4.4. Thanks a lot for the tip, by the way. I might still work on it just as a hobby, but I'm out of ideas. Of all the many, many devices I've tinkered with, this is the first one that I ever permanently messed up, so I'd like to fix it as a matter of pride, but I now only have 48 hours to do so. After looking at logcats, the partition table of the phone and the androidmanifest.xml of the motorola sensor services apk, I'm pretty much certain that this app writes those sensor drivers to a partition other than the ones that get flashed when we up/downgrade (ie system, boot, recovery, etc.), which is why these processes don't fix the problem. Theoretically, if I knew which partition that was, I could find someone with a working Turbo who could dump that image, and if I get lucky and it's a partition that isn't sig checked by the bootloader (like the radios, for example), I could flash that and be good to go. I have no idea how to figure out which partition that would be, though. The obvious choice was the "firmware" partition, but that partition has a lot of drivers that seem to relate to lots of different important things, so messing with that seems scary. I also don't know anyone who is knowledgeable enough to generate that image (myself included), so it's a moot point.
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My question is why hasn't anyone else's device gotten borked since the update? I've had it since the update was distributed with no issues and use Moto Actions continuously. Seems like if it really is a combination of writing drivers to a partition that isn't compatible it would be a universal issue. If only 2 people who have a mofo'd 5.1 IMG (out of probably hundreds) experienced issues my bet is on some weird glitch that occured when you initially flashed the updated firmware to get 5.1 working on the mofo'd device, rather than some general driver incompatibility.

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My question is why hasn't anyone else's device gotten borked since the update? I've had it since the update was distributed with no issues and use Moto Actions continuously. Seems like if it really is a combination of writing drivers to a partition that isn't compatible it would be a universal issue. If only 2 people who have a mofo'd 5.1 IMG (out of probably hundreds) experienced issues my bet is on some weird glitch that occured when you initially flashed the updated firmware to get 5.1 working on the mofo'd device, rather than some general driver incompatibility.
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I agree. Either it was a corrupt driver installation that worked just well enough for the app not to realize it, or the firmware update happens silently only when requested (similar to Google play services), and we're all one chop chop flashlight away from a phone apocalypse. Hopefully it's the former.

So, I went ahead and updated my device to official 5.1 and the problem is still there. The moto actions app that is installed still says that it is not compatible with my phone. I have cant figure out how to clear it or delete it or anything. And when I think I have it, I let the phone sleep and I can't bring it back to life again without waiting for a 15 min+ boot. Oh well, at least the bootloader says "official" now rather than "modified." So, Motorola should not complain about it. Thanks for trying to figure it out @TheSt33v

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So, I went ahead and updated my device to official 5.1 and the problem is still there. The moto actions app that is installed still says that it is not compatible with my phone. I have cant figure out how to clear it or delete it or anything. And when I think I have it, I let the phone sleep and I can't bring it back to life again without waiting for a 15 min+ boot. Oh well, at least the bootloader says "official" now rather than "modified." So, Motorola should not complain about it. Thanks for trying to figure it out @TheSt33v
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Good to know. I picked the $25 option specifically because the free one requires an inspection, but I'll probably update it anyway. I'm not surprised that it didn't solve the problem though. When we flash those upgrade/downgrade images, we're basically just doing manually what RSD lite/Verizon upgrade agent does automatically.

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TheSt33v said:
This just happened to me yesterday. Long story short, I have a strong suspicion that something about the recent Moto Actions update is breaking our phones for reasons that I describe here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/help/complicated-problem-restore-doesnt-help-t3184251. I managed to fix it, but I re-broke it because I'm an idiot and the method I used before isn't working. If you get it fixed and get your 1.3 CF image back up and running, I would strongly recommend against allowing the Moto Actions update. I have a feeling that we're going to be hearing more about this soon from other people.[/QUO​TE]
you called it! Just spent 2 hours reflashing 1.3 first repeated V4A, then Base. flashing sick Android upon Recovery attempt, FAIL. reflashed radios and such and with different "vol& pwr" sequence was able to get in to wipe cache. Not hat it would help me but i viewed chche Logs and im wondering if, to the right person, it would help to have copies of them?? It's a bunch of pages tho and and not sure if it would help.
My plan it to, in Recovery, Factory wipe, then reboot to Bootloader and attempt to flash base. W/ all sys.img's, then wipe caches again. ihave read the whole thread early yesterday morning but i fell asleep prob 20 times during. it was like 3 ishi think SO, i'll now go re read probably to find that you've already ruled out "my plan"
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ctopher4 said:
TheSt33v said:
This just happened to me yesterday. Long story short, I have a strong suspicion that something about the recent Moto Actions update is breaking our phones for reasons that I describe here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/help/complicated-problem-restore-doesnt-help-t3184251. I managed to fix it, but I re-broke it because I'm an idiot and the method I used before isn't working. If you get it fixed and get your 1.3 CF image back up and running, I would strongly recommend against allowing the Moto Actions update. I have a feeling that we're going to be hearing more about this soon from other people.[/QUO​TE]
you called it! Just spent 2 hours reflashing 1.3 first repeated V4A, then Base. flashing sick Android upon Recovery attempt, FAIL. reflashed radios and such and with different "vol& pwr" sequence was able to get in to wipe cache. Not hat it would help me but i viewed chche Logs and im wondering if, to the right person, it would help to have copies of them?? It's a bunch of pages tho and and not sure if it would help.
My plan it to, in Recovery, Factory wipe, then reboot to Bootloader and attempt to flash base. W/ all sys.img's, then wipe caches again. ihave read the whole thread early yesterday morning but i fell asleep prob 20 times during. it was like 3 ishi think SO, i'll now go re read probably to find that you've already ruled out "my plan"
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Damn. I was hoping I was wrong. Yeah, I did what you suggested many, many times. If you end up reflashing 4.4.4 and you see the message to uninstall the sensor firmware, do it and FLASH NOTHING ELSE until a solution is found. If not, it's really easy to get a new one from Motorola.
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TheSt33v said:
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Damn. I was hoping I was wrong. Yeah, I did what you suggested many, many times. If you end up reflashing 4.4.4 and you see the message to uninstall the sensor firmware, do it and FLASH NOTHING ELSE until a solution is found. If not, it's really easy to get a new one from Motorola.
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O Jeez, xda gave me a " token timed out message" but only after I hit post reply and, it was a novel! I have to get at least 2.5 hours sleep tonight because that been normal lately. Besides setting up Moto functionality, I'm golden and I do have their updates blocked best I can anyway. Hope all is working.
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ctopher4 said:
TheSt33v said:
O Jeez, xda gave me a " token timed out message" but only after I hit post reply and, it was a novel! I have to get at least 2.5 hours sleep tonight because that been normal lately. Besides setting up Moto functionality, I'm golden and I do have their updates blocked best I can anyway. Hope all is working.
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Awesome! Well I managed to fix it too, Moto functionality included!!!! I'll explain on my other thread.
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What was the solution that found? I'm going through the same problem.

AT&T Galaxy S6 Active will not update

Hi I have a problem from going to 5.1.1 from 5.0.2. I have tried clearing cache,
I have 9gb free,
made sure everything is up to date and enabled,
and have factory reset my phone.
Still doesn't work.
Says something about "dm- verity verification fail" if I go into that developer screen when you hold power, home and volume up right after it tries to update again while loading.
Never has been rooted and have had it for a few months now. Also I was wondering if I could root this phone and just manually update it with custom firmware and forget about Ota updates anymore and be able to run the latest and greatest firmware. I have read in a few places that the new bootloader is un-cracked though and can't be rooted? Thanks.

DaMonsterMonster said:
Hi I have a problem from going to 5.1.1 from 5.0.2. I have tried clearing cache,
I have 9gb free,
made sure everything is up to date and enabled,
and have factory reset my phone.
Still doesn't work.
Says something about "dm- verity verification fail" if I go into that developer screen when you hold power, home and volume up right after it tries to update again while loading.
Never has been rooted and have had it for a few months now. Also I was wondering if I could root this phone and just manually update it with custom firmware and forget about Ota updates anymore and be able to run the latest and greatest firmware. I have read in a few places that the new bootloader is un-cracked though and can't be rooted? Thanks.
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Greetings,
Thank you for using XDA Assist. To get you the specific help you need, I'm going to move this thread to your device's Q&A forum. Good luck!

The_Merovingian said:
Greetings,
Thank you for using XDA Assist. To get you the specific help you need, I'm going to move this thread to your device's Q&A forum. Good luck!
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Awesome thanks!

Hi there! Have you tried options 1 & 2 in this HOWTO guide?
DaMonsterMonster said:
Awesome thanks!
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lirex said:
Hi there! Have you tried options 1 & 2 in this HOWTO guide?
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#1 didn't show any update but I did go to the samsung kiosk in best buy. He said he has had this problem with phones on other carriers too and he flashed it! Still would like to know if anyone is working on rooting these...

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#1 didn't show any update but I did go to the samsung kiosk in best buy. He said he has had this problem with phones on other carriers too and he flashed it! Still would like to know if anyone is working on rooting these...
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Would love a root, but if the rumors are true, that a new S7 Active version will be announced in Jan and released in Mar, and the new S7 Active (still likely only an AT&T exclusive...) has noticeable improvements, perhaps a root solution for this phone may fall to the way-side.
I'm on the fence about getting an S6, kinda waiting to see if I can get any confirmed specs for a new S7.
Argh... tough...

Just picked up this device, any tips?

So I've been out of the Android Phone loop for a while and was just wondering if there were any general tips or things to know about the Z3C? Any essential apps or features?
I've not updated to Marshmallow yet (running 5.1.1) and I don't really feel the need to, If I'm not mistaken it makes the root process a bit more fiddly, though the non-removable notification is somewhat annoying. Can it be turned off?
Quick question on root too, which I assume can only be achieved through unlocking the bootloader. Will it void my warranty with Sony? Given the issues with cracked screens and phones not really being waterproof, I'm not sure if it's actually worth doing.
I've got the Phone through Vodafone, is there anyway to remove the SIM lock myself?
I've been through the Stickies and whilst they contain useful information that'll surely come in handy later, the FAQ section is pretty limited, so I figured I'd ask here
Thanks in advance

UndisputedGuy said:
So I've been out of the Android Phone loop for a while and was just wondering if there were any general tips or things to know about the Z3C? Any essential apps or features?
I've not updated to Marshmallow yet (running 5.1.1) and I don't really feel the need to, If I'm not mistaken it makes the root process a bit more fiddly, though the non-removable notification is somewhat annoying. Can it be turned off?
Quick question on root too, which I assume can only be achieved through unlocking the bootloader. Will it void my warranty with Sony? Given the issues with cracked screens and phones not really being waterproof, I'm not sure if it's actually worth doing.
I've got the Phone through Vodafone, is there anyway to remove the SIM lock myself?
I've been through the Stickies and whilst they contain useful information that'll surely come in handy later, the FAQ section is pretty limited, so I figured I'd ask here
Thanks in advance
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You don't need to unlock the bootloader to be able to root your phone. A good place to start is the thread on how to back up your TA partition and rooting (don't be tempted by Kingroot)
Unless you want a custom CM rom I wouldn't bother trying to unlock your bootloader, it disables features on the phone, starting with breaking the camera.
This thread about going from a rooted phone back to stock is interesting. I'd say you don't need to root your phone, but it gets a lot more interesting when you do.
The top app for if you get root is Titanium Backup, it lets you control individual apps, 'freezing' them so they stop working, but not actually uninstalling them. Great for getting rid of all the bloatware that comes with phone providers (like Sim Lock), or even manufacturers. It also lets you back up an app and all the associated data that goes with it, so if you wipe you phone to change the rom, you can put all the apps back and the state they were in at the touch of a button. There's lots of other cool root apps, but TA is my favourite.
As long as you stick to stock then you can't go wrong, don't be afraid to play, there's plenty of people on the thread here to give you a hand.
SLIM 5 is a good stock 5.1.1 rom with lots of cool tweeks and doesn't mean you have to unlock your bootloader.
Edit: Rooting your phone doesn't void your warranty. But if you face any problems with your phone that means it's going back to the service centre, just put a stock build back on (no root) and do a factory reset. That way they cannot complain about the software config. They will do a factory reset anyway, before they send it back, along with an update to the latest rom. So be prepared and take everything off your phone beforehand.

Man, that's pretty much all the information I need in one post. Thanks a bunch man, I'll read through the links in some more detail.
I did see that Rooting guide earlier, but given how it mentioned using Flashtool and DRM Keys, I thought it'd surely void my warranty so didn't have a proper look.
SLIM also seems like a good shout, though I'm assuming I'd lose access to Sony's OTA updates if I were to flash it and there doesn't seem to be a Marshmallow version yet. Actually, that said, would I even have access to OTA updates if I stay stock but rooted?
Thanks again

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Man, that's pretty much all the information I need in one post. Thanks a bunch man, I'll read through the links in some more detail.
I did see that Rooting guide earlier, but given how it mentioned using Flashtool and DRM Keys, I thought it'd surely void my warranty so didn't have a proper look.
SLIM also seems like a good shout, though I'm assuming I'd lose access to Sony's OTA updates if I were to flash it and there doesn't seem to be a Marshmallow version yet. Actually, that said, would I even have access to OTA updates if I stay stock but rooted?
Thanks again
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Marshmallow has only been out a few weeks, so it's still full of bugs and problems at the moment. I would stick to 5.1.1. for at least another month, or until 6.1 reaches the Z3c.
No, if you install a custom rom then you wont get Sony OTA updates, but most rom developers base their builds on the latest firmware releases anyway, usually adopting a new release within one or two weeks.
Slim 5 is possibly the best stock Lollipop build there is and there will be no more updates for Lollopop now. There is a Slim MM build, but even though Wajk has been working his magic, it still has several bugs that need to be ironed out. If you are going down the MM route, don't be tempted by Concept or Beta, that need you to unlock your bootloader to root. Stick with a pre-rooted stock or a customised stock with root built in.

Appreciate the assistance, going to go ahead and root now and then perhaps try out SLIM 5. Some of the MEGA links seemed to be down so I just grabbed a Global FTF, couldn't seem to find an unbranded UK one.
I shouldn't have updated immediately once I got the phone

UndisputedGuy said:
Appreciate the assistance, going to go ahead and root now and then perhaps try out SLIM 5. Some of the MEGA links seemed to be down so I just grabbed a Global FTF, couldn't seem to find an unbranded UK one.
I shouldn't have updated immediately once I got the phone
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For the purposes of downgrading so you can root, it really doesn't matter which build you choose.

Didgesteve said:
For the purposes of downgrading so you can root, it really doesn't matter which build you choose.
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Just a quick question, at Step 26 could I just use SLIM 5? Seems much more convenient if that's the case.
Oh, and using OTA updates is going to lose me my root now, right?

UndisputedGuy said:
Just a quick question, at Step 26 could I just use SLIM 5? Seems much more convenient if that's the case.
Oh, and using OTA updates is going to lose me my root now, right?
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Yes, once you have recovery you can download Slim onto your phone and flash that. Don't forget to update SuperSU from the playstore.
No, you wont get any OTA updates with a custom stock, but Slim is up to date with the most recent Lollipop build.
Sony PC Companion will not update your phone either once you have a custom rom on. If you flash stock and then connect it, it will push MM onto it. But you will loose root and there's no easy way to get it working.
Stick with 5.1.1. for another month, wait for 6.1 to come out, and then possibly a couple of weeks after that Wajik will have made an incredible MM rom to flash, that will be as up to date as they come, then just flash that in exactly the same way.
Edit: Once you start to follow a developers thread, they announce updates to roms almost as quick as the Sony release, so don't worry that it will get out of date, just make sure to subscribe to the thread where your rom comes from. Slim 5 for example releases an OTA update, to move from 4.9 to 5, it's a lot smaller than the entire rom and only has updates, but flashes the same way.

Can only thank you again, successfully rooted and got recovery. Not sure how much I'm really fond of SLIM, just had a very brief mess around but something felt a bit off about the Launcher and the icons even after messing with the settings. It was only very brief though, perhaps there's more useful stuff there.
Might go simply stock/rooted but given there isn't a simple .zip for it it's a bit long winded
Thanks for all your help here, this is pretty much the ideal state I wanted my phone to be in upon receiving it, had no idea unlocking the bootloader wouldn't be necessary. Guys like you help make this site in my opinion, I half just expected a couple of snide answers telling me to just read the forum

Think I will be moving back to stock, just a question on the front though
Am I going to have to build my own pre rooted image (steps 27-32) each time there's an OTA update and I want rooted stock?
Sorry, hopefully that's the last thing from me
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UndisputedGuy said:
Think I will be moving back to stock, just a question on the front though
Am I going to have to build my own pre rooted image (steps 27-32) each time there's an OTA update and I want rooted stock?
Sorry, hopefully that's the last thing from me
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There are several 'stock' options, that are flashable zips
Pre-Rooted Firmwares-Recovery-SuperSU, although you need to click on 'older files'
Or another stock thread here
But by now you should be able to start finding these threads on your own

Yeah, I've time to have a proper look through now so will do that. I saw the thread earlier, but didn't seem to notice a pre rooted .zip for the latest 5.1.1 firmware in the OP. There was one in the comments though, thanks once again

Should I downgrade my android version?

Hey, I am currently running 6.0.1 as my android version. Just asking but would it be suggested to downgrade the android version? If yes, than too which version?

Why do you want to downgrade?

The Nexus 6 came out with the 5.0, you can't go further back, even with custom roms. Actually I've head somebody trying to build KitKat for the shamu, but I don't know if he succeeded.
Also why would you like to downgrade, anyway?

Oh as far as why: I had enough with 6.0.1 freezing/slow/crashing on me. Sometimes it even freezes to the point where I cannot turn off the screen for a few minutes at times. I also have enough with the apps freezing or does not work and Chrome sometimes freezes as well.

Why not upgrading to android 7 instead of downgrading?

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Oh as far as why: I had enough with 6.0.1 freezing/slow/crashing on me. Sometimes it even freezes to the point where I cannot turn off the screen for a few minutes at times. I also have enough with the apps freezing or does not work and Chrome sometimes freezes as well.
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Why don't you try upgrading instead? Android 7.0 factory image has just been released.

Oh, has it been released? Does it causes those boot loop issues on Motorola branded phones just like it does with LG branded? And could I upgrade using the Wugs tool?

php111 said:
Oh, has it been released? Does it causes those boot loop issues on Motorola branded phones just like it does with LG branded? And could I upgrade using the Wugs tool?
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If you want to flash the factory image then go here: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#shamu
You will find the factory image for 7.0 there and also the instructions on how to flash it. If you are already on stock 6.0.1, you should bee recieving an OTA update soon. But since you say you have reboots and freezes I would take a backup of what every you need onto your computer and then start of fresh from the link above. That way you won't be haunted by old bugs that might be stuck because of previous versions.

php111 said:
Oh as far as why: I had enough with 6.0.1 freezing/slow/crashing on me. Sometimes it even freezes to the point where I cannot turn off the screen for a few minutes at times. I also have enough with the apps freezing or does not work and Chrome sometimes freezes as well.
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These freezing/slow/crashing issues look very unique to you. Why didn't you try a factory reset, then add your apps back one by one, and look for those that give you trouble. Also are you rooted, do you use xposed or anything that modifies the basic system? Because I'm runnin 6.0.1 myself, and never had the issues you do.

The instructions on the developer page to flash looks too confusing. Well, it jumps right into it when myself I never done it before.

Everybody on this site once knew nothing about Android. Your safest bet is to just wait for the OTA to be offered (or proactively check for it) and accept it. If you're as novice as your posts suggest, I'm guessing that you're running a pure stock device, so you won't run into any problems with the upgrade. And if you do, you know where we are...