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This might be a silly question, but does anyone know if the G1 will be able to access the web if you live in an area where 3G is not available yet? I live north of Los Angeles (who has 3G) in Bakersfield and we don't have it yet. I am hoping that I was not an idiot to preorder the phone and then not be able to use all the cool web features.
Thanks in advance,
Jamie
it should still work on the EDGE network
From my understanding it will work with GPRS, Edge, and 3g so you shouldn't have any problems bro by the way I understand the concern.
With a 1150ma battery, GPS, "big" screen etc, 3G will just drain the battery even quicker.
I will not worry about 3G until an extended battery is released- and the fact that 3G will not be in my market for a year of so.
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Hey guys i have a htc wing now, and it does not have a gps. It looks like the gps for this phone is one of the main highlights, because it uses it for a lot of applications. Does anyone know what the gps strength will be like? Will it work will in a building, it do i have the be in direct light for like ten minuites to get a signal?
Anyone with a htc device with a gps already, does it work well?
I hear the android is a-gps, so mabye it will have the ability to somewhat work well when in a pocket, or building.....
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Time for a lesson on GPS... It uses satellites in the sky, and you need a view of a certain amount of satellites to find your location (4 will find you but not very accurately, the more the better). If you're in a building, and not right next to a window, no GPS will ever find your location, ever. That's like asking if your internet will work if the ethernet cable is unplugged from the back of your computer and you don't have wifi, it goes against the entire idea of how it functions.
Now, as for the quality of the HTC GPS receiver... People have complained about GPS lag, but I maintain my opinion that it's completely software related, my Fuze had none whatsoever. You don't need to be in sunlight, just have enough clear sky that it can get a reading from the satellites. I've taken trips with the Fuze even on very cloudy days and it took a little longer to get a lock (5-10 mins, it locks in like 30 seconds to a minute with clear skies) but once it had my position, it stayed true. All of the upcoming HTC devices use A-GPS, by the way. Diamond, Touch Pro, Xperia, G1...
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WHAAAT? you dont want to use 3g? lol in my opinion thats 50 percent of the phones features.
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He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
The big thing with A-GPS is that it's mainly used to increase the startup speed of your GPS. Instead of waiting 10 minutes to download the almanac of the satellites in the sky from the GPS sats, it downloads the data over your data connection, using the basis of which cell site you're connected to for determining your rough location. This way it only takes about 30 seconds to get a fix instead of much longer.
The sensitivity of the GPS on phones has been fairly good as far as i've seen on devices like the Tilt and such, so I don't see why a phone with such a heavy emphasis on location-based apps would have a sub-par GPS setup. Here's hoping things work well.
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He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
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Thanks to one and all!!! I am looking forward to my G1 and retiring my Wing.
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He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
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3g doesnt burn that much battery unless your using it constantly like as a primary internet for your computer. also when you put your phone in sleep mode it isnt runnig in the background
haitiankid4lyf said:
3g doesnt burn that much battery unless your using it constantly like as a primary internet for your computer. also when you put your phone in sleep mode it isnt runnig in the background
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Exactly... But when you're without 3G, I guess you try to justify why it's not as good, and that's what he came up with. It's like everything though, people on here try to justify why the iPhone isn't as good as the Diamond/Touch Pro, truth be told it's better in many aspects but comes short in many as well.
3g data transfer?
ok i currently have the tmo wing.. and i can connect my lappy to the tmo data network via usb port.. will i be able to do this with the g1?yes/no maybe?
iife_aint_easy said:
ok i currently have the tmo wing.. and i can connect my lappy to the tmo data network via usb port.. will i be able to do this with the g1?yes/no maybe?
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I choose D... all of the above
No... it will not work out of the box.
Yes/maybe... it should work someday soon unless HTC/T-Mobile have somehow disabled that ability in hardware.
As soon as I get the phone I will be working on it on the Linux side (not an actual internet sharing app... more of a route/iptables script) and I am sure someone will work on a java solution (although a kernel solution would be faster). There was an application for the iPhone that provided internet sharing but it was banned from apple store and Google has said they won't do that so I think it should be here soon.
problems with Wireless (3g and wifi)
does anybody else have problems with the 3g?
i have tmobile and i didnt select the option for only 2g but my 3g keeps going in and out even when im in the same spot it'll go from 3g to Edge for no reason.
also does anybody have problem conecting to wifi?
i have a linksys wireless n (WRT300N) router, the ssid is visible and uts using wep security but when ever i try to connect to it it says out of range or it just stops trying to connect Please Help
haitiankid4lyf said:
does anybody else have problems with the 3g?
i have tmobile and i didnt select the option for only 2g but my 3g keeps going in and out even when im in the same spot it'll go from 3g to Edge for no reason.
also does anybody have problem conecting to wifi?
i have a linksys wireless n (WRT300N) router, the ssid is visible and uts using wep security but when ever i try to connect to it it says out of range or it just stops trying to connect Please Help
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I have an issue with my G1 WIFI connection. If i broadcast my SSID I connect with no problems. but if i disable the broadcast it will not connect, and this is with me manually putting in the connections into the phone.
I called TMobile but they said i needed to call HTC. they didn't have a solution.
BTW, I have no WEP enabled. I just disable the SSID broadcast.
I just connected to my Linksys router with WPA2 and had 3G running, connected no problem.
Haitiankid: try entering the details of your network manually and seeing if it will connect then. Also, as for the 3G fading in and out, are you in a week signal area for 3G?
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I got my wifi to work. It was my routers fault. What I did was in went into my routers settings by typing 192.168.1.1 and entered 'admin' (no quotes) and no password. Once in my settings I changed my brocasting type from b&g mixed to all mixed changed frequency to auto, changed network key from shared to open and wifi started working. I don't know if all those steps were neccesary but it worked for me. Hope it works for some else.
As for the 3g it seems to be getting better
for those of you with the 3g/edge switching problem...
Hey, if uve got the 3g switching to edge back and forth continuously, its likely because you didnt get a new SIM card when u got the g1. It simply means you have an old SIM card that doesnt support 3g well, call tmobile up tell them your situation, theyve given most people a free new SIM card thats more compatible.
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Hey, if uve got the 3g switching to edge back and forth continuously, its likely because you didnt get a new SIM card when u got the g1. It simply means you have an old SIM card that doesnt support 3g well, call tmobile up tell them your situation, theyve given most people a free new SIM card thats more compatible.
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I don't think that's the case. I've had the same SIM card since 2000, no problems like this. If any SIM is too old to support 3G, I'd think one made 8 years ago would definitely be the case.
It sounds like he's in a bad coverage area, which could be lots of things. There is a coverage map on the T-Mo website, don't know if it shows 3G. Or it could be the building he's in. My phones have never worked at my grandmother's house. I get full bars on the front porch, and full bars the second I get out the back door, but no signal in the house itself. Even relatives on other networks get little to no coverage inside the house. Probably the really really old insulation and building materials are blocking the signal. At my last apartment I only had a good signal on the corner of my bed, and that disappeared when new neighbors moved in upstairs.
These are radio waves, which aren't foolproof or perfect, they encounter all kinds of interference. Nothings going to be as secure and consistant as a wired connection. Nature of the beast, unfortunately.
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I got my wifi to work. It was my routers fault. What I did was in went into my routers settings by typing 192.168.1.1 and entered 'admin' (no quotes) and no password. Once in my settings I changed my brocasting type from b&g mixed to all mixed changed frequency to auto, changed network key from shared to open and wifi started working. I don't know if all those steps were neccesary but it worked for me. Hope it works for some else.
As for the 3g it seems to be getting better
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Careful dude, with the security set to open anyone within range (neighbors, wardrivers, etc.) can use your wifi to get on the internet. Try using WPA or WPA2 security, but leaving it all mixed and frequency at auto.
I'm in the UK, and using a Touch Diamond.....on Vodafone 3G. When I'm connected to WIFI, I obviously want to use that for data, rather than use up my precious data allowance.
When I'm connected to a WIFI connection, how do I know Opera/IE/Email are using WIFI - and not my 3G connection? There are times when I'm in my house, and I know it's using my phone data connection, as it's just so slow (very limited reception 3G in my house)....whereas the WIFI should be pretty fast.
i COULD be wrong here.... but the way i know is if the WIFI icon at the top shows connected. If you rphone cant find the WIFI, it'll always divert to a data connection. Play with your phone around the house, see where you get connectivity and how strong to your wifi.
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i COULD be wrong here.... but the way i know is if the WIFI icon at the top shows connected. If you rphone cant find the WIFI, it'll always divert to a data connection. Play with your phone around the house, see where you get connectivity and how strong to your wifi.
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Yes I know when I'm connected to WIFI and how strong it is....what I want to know is how I know whether my phone is using 3G/GPRS - when I am connected to WIFI and want it to use WIFI and not my phone network. There seems to be no indication to show you are actually 'using' the WIFI network over the phone network....
Settings > Communication Settings.
Turn data connection off, turn wifi on.
Do that before you use internet and your sorted.
On both my Diamond and Touch Pro, the Wi-Fi icon appears on the task bar when Wi-Fi is available. Same goes for 3G.
Also note that some programs call for a certain connection method automatically. For example, you will note that some programs initiate 3G instead of using your Wi-Fi connection. Hopefully, there is a configuration option for such apps.
Cheers.
i don't know if you notice it, but if you are connecting through E or H or G or 3G.. the reception bar instead of the antenna you will get the corresponding letter if you are currently connected to one of them
As long as your WiFi is on and none of those letters are showing up.. you will be fine
Having had my LG 2x for a bout a week now I have come to find that it suffers from 2 issues I find annoying, and bordering to simply slack in making from the side of LG. Issues such as those should simply NOT excist on a phone such as this one :/
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I use my WiFi at home but sometimes I see that I am NOT connected to it and go into WiFi settings only to find that it says my network is "Disabled". How has it become disables, and why is the questions I would like to ask. I would like to know what causes the phone to think that.
Again my former phone was an HTC Desire and it used and connected to my WIFi network without any problems or issues leading me to suspet that this error is simply caused by LG either by fault in the hardware or a bad software that they released their phone with.....
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Sometimes if WiFi is actually enabled I will not be allowed to toggle on regular mobile data. The phone replies with the message "WiFi Connection open, cant open Mobile data" or something of that sort. I have gotten that message a few times over the last week and it comes regardless of whether or not my phone is actually connected to a WiFi Network or not.
Which basiclaly means that I cant use mobile data without first disabling my WiFi, reenabling mobile data and then reenable WiFi and then it works again.... for the time being.
Sometimes the phone also just disables mobile data on its own meaning I cant get any data connection unless I do the procedure above again. Its simply annoying and something that just shouldnt happen on a phone of this caliber . And with that comment I mean both the issues, because its simply not supposed to hapen for a phone in this price range or of this caliber.
All in all it seems more like LG cutting corners to be the first ones to release a Tegra2 phone. Cutting corners meaning that we have to content with a phone full of errors and bugs
I am having the same Wifi issue, it disconnects for no reason.
Hopefully this will get fixed soon in a 2.3 update. This minor wifi bug does not irritate me that much, the phone otherwise is a beast.
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I use my WiFi at home but sometimes I see that I am NOT connected to it and go into WiFi settings only to find that it says my network is "Disabled". How has it become disables, and why is the questions I would like to ask. I would like to know what causes the phone to think that.
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I had the same problem. It was caused by the wireless security/encryption method used in my router. I changed it from WPA2 Personal to WPA2 Personal Mixed, and now the router no longer disconnects my phone from the Wi-Fi. So try that.
You could disable the router wireless security entirely just to test ...
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Sometimes if WiFi is actually enabled I will not be allowed to toggle on regular mobile data. The phone replies with the message "WiFi Connection open, cant open Mobile data" or something of that sort. I have gotten that message a few times over the last week and it comes regardless of whether or not my phone is actually connected to a WiFi Network or not.
Which basiclaly means that I cant use mobile data without first disabling my WiFi, reenabling mobile data and then reenable WiFi and then it works again.... for the time being.
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Well, I never leave the 3G connection on if I dont use it, so I can't answer you there. But Wi-Fi have greater priority than 3G. This means that enabling the 3G connection when having the Wi-Fi on and connected does not do anything. The 3G connection will only connect when the Wi-Fi is disabled.
It was the same on my former HTC Desire.
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I had the same problem. It was caused by the wireless security/encryption method used in my router. I changed it from WPA2 Personal to WPA2 Personal Mixed, and now the router no longer disconnects my phone from the Wi-Fi. So try that.
You could disable the router wireless security entirely just to test ...
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Sorry if I am a bit blunt. But that security setting has worked up till the point where I got my LG 2x, it works between all my laptops, on my SE G900, and worked flawlessly when I had my Desire, ie then its LG's issue and they just need to fix it.
IMO I can live with it getting tits up once in a while, AS LONG as it is fixed when LG releases Gingerbread. LG should however be asked why the phone "disables" the connection.
But I just checked my AP and its present setting is WPA2/WPA Mixed Mode. And the other "options" I have is: WPA2 Personal, WPA Personal, WPA2/WPA Enterprise Mixed Mode, WPA2 Enterprise, WPA Enterprise, WEP, RADIUS and Disabled.
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Well, I never leave the 3G connection on if I dont use it, so I can't answer you there. But Wi-Fi have greater priority than 3G. This means that enabling the 3G connection when having the Wi-Fi on and connected does not do anything. The 3G connection will only connect when the Wi-Fi is disabled.
It was the same on my former HTC Desire.
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I think you misunderstood me there . WiFi is turned on, but NOT connected, ie it should default to 3G data. But if I click my icon to turn on 3G data I just get told that it can't because WiFi is active, which it isn't since its not connected to any Access Point.
When I leaves my apartment I leave my Wifi on, and the second I leave the reception area of my AP the phone automatically switch to 3G data and back to WiFi again when I return. And thus I tend to keep both "on" to allow that seamless transition. In effect I could technically just disable my WiFi and stay on 3G considering I have a 25 Gig limit, but using my WiFi at home is just so much faster
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...well that will address the symptoms...
I have the "disabled" status occasionally on my phone. It's triggered by 3 unsuccessful login attempts to the AP. This can happen if you're on the very edge of WiFi range but not sure that applies in your situation.
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...well that will address the symptoms...
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Where did i say that? the "...and [security] Disabled..." part, because I checked over my posts and I don't see it anywhere >_<
djmcnz said:
I have the "disabled" status occasionally on my phone. It's triggered by 3 unsuccessful login attempts to the AP. This can happen if you're on the very edge of WiFi range but not sure that applies in your situation.
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Well it might be that error that I am falling for then, but its just strange that the LG stalls, while my HTC Desire didn't seem to care and just grabbed the connection.
I wonder if there is some way to change it to try like 100 times or just completely ignore the limit and keep trying till it gets through.
I just had the "Disabled" issue again while sitting at home and being what 2 feet from the APN, so its certainly NOT a range issue :/
Hopefully this gets fixed with Gingerbread or I might go looking for another phone.
i have this problem with my folio and my 2x....
disabling wifi and enabling wifi helps.
for my folio i can say its a screen sleep issue(something messing with wifi as well,no solution afaik).
so if im downloading stuff and the screen goes to sleep my download stopps.
sometimes it resumes after wakeup, and wifi works fine, sometimes not.
for my folio the solution was to use the dockingstation, couse then it changes to a clock, and the screen doesnt time out.
today at work i was downloading stuff over my 2x, and expierienced the same strange behavior.
dont really know if its related(both tegra2 devices so it could be), but the occurance is too similar.
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But I just checked my AP and its present setting is WPA2/WPA Mixed Mode. And the other "options" I have is: WPA2 Personal, WPA Personal, WPA2/WPA Enterprise Mixed Mode, WPA2 Enterprise, WPA Enterprise, WEP, RADIUS and Disabled
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Where did i say that? the "...and [security] Disabled..." part, because I checked over my posts and I don't see it anywhere >_<
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Well disabling security will do me no good at all considering I dont want to leave my wireless network sitting open like leaving my house unlocked.
So no thats not really an option... sorry :/
Of course not, but have to tried? My earlier, and now, is that your problem may be caused by the security on your router. It was a problem I experienced.
I have not tried yet. Because if i turn off the security and my phone then stays connected then its not a solution >_<. Its still an issue that the phone is causing.
BUT that said I would need to leave the security off my wireless for at least a week in order to really get any reliable data on whether or not its the security setting in the router that causes the issue (But I think rather not when all other phones has no problem with it). And sorry to say this, but im not leaving my internet open for a week to determine whether or not disabling my security makes my phone able to stay connected.
My HTC Desire could get connected and never disabled WiFi on it self. And the LG 2x does it. Ergo it must be an issue on the phone when it is the only phone in and around me that causes that issue.
have you tried changing the pw to a shorter one? in the shop where i work, some devices have problems with long passwords. some just connect to the router with the 10 char pw. connecting to the other router(20char pw) is sometimes a problem. the two routers are the same modell.
EDIT just tried it with the optimus, both router work, so this wont be an solution. sorry
I did a search and only found one reference to this in a post. So dont flame on if I missed it.
I can connect to my network fine at home over the WiFi but if I leave the cellular connection on it is terribly slow. If I go into airplane mode and then turn on the WIFI separately its blazing fast. It appears the cellular wants to take priority over the WiFi. Has anyone else experienced this or found what causes it. Below are my phone specs and network.
HD7 with WiFi, Bluetooth, cellular enabled.
Netgear wireless N
I completely agree with this statement btw.
In my basement my "wifi" connection is HORRIBLY slow on my hd7. Many, and I repeat MANY times I feel as though i'm still using my 3G connection instead of the wifi as it should.
Just wanted to comment on this, i'll search later on, maybe i'll find something else.
just turn on cellular connection when you need it , and turn off when don't need.(when u have wifi nearby)
Thats what I do but it shouldn't work like that. There should be WiFi priority when available for data services.
If ur wifi signal is too weak , it can be so.
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I did a search and only found one reference to this in a post. So dont flame on if I missed it.
I can connect to my network fine at home over the WiFi but if I leave the cellular connection on it is terribly slow. If I go into airplane mode and then turn on the WIFI separately its blazing fast. It appears the cellular wants to take priority over the WiFi. Has anyone else experienced this or found what causes it. Below are my phone specs and network.
HD7 with WiFi, Bluetooth, cellular enabled.
Netgear wireless N
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I have the same phone as you, from TMOUS, and I have noticed the same effect, cellular over-riding the wifi, and I think that the cellular is just set as the default... and I think that is the way it is intended, by the carrier(s), because then we would use our minutes/data up quicker then otherwise... I have noticed when using wifi, and not on airplane mode, that minutes/data are consumed at a MUCH quicker rate, than when on wifi w/airplane mode on... and thanks for pointing this out, I may not have payed as much attention otherwise... I am leaving TMOUS, maybe going to Simple Mobile, or something like that, and I will be keeping a much closer eye on it now... right now, with no carrier, I am using my phone strictly on wifi and it is pretty damn fast, and I only have an 802.11G router, not an 802.11N router like yours... which only makes me want an N router even worse... I'll post any more info as it appears, and thanks again!...
@ artmodeler At work I can understand a week signal but not at my house. I am about 10 feet away from the router which is located on my desk. Also the connection manager in the settings is showing full bars.
@ mlongue1 Yeah it works amazingly fast on my WiFi under airplane mode. I use Super Tube for my you tube client and theres little if any pausing to buffer large videos. Not so much when the cellular connection is enabled.
I seem to be having pretty severe wifi issues on networks that are composed of a large number of routers (i.e. campus/business networks) where going between routers will result in the phone believing it is connected, but not being able to send/receive data. This is evidenced both by the lack of notifications/apps working, as well as the wifi icon in the quick toggle panel being orange (which indicates no data being sent/recieved, I believe) despite having full signal. This means that without any external indication that anything is wrong, my phone essentially does not work anymore until I turn the wifi off and back on. Previous phones (galaxy nexus, droid) as well as computers did not have this issue on the same network.
Has anyone else noticed this problem, and if so, found any way to get around it other than remembering to reset the wifi power every time you move between areas?
It sounds like there are multiple WAPs all using the same SSID, and Android is not requesting a new IP address when it disconnects from one WAP and connects to another. You could probably work around the issue using Tasker, and have it toggle Wifi off and on again any time Wifi is disconnected. I you go that route I would recommend using the trial version available from the developer's site, or one of the many similar apps that are available in the Play Store for free.
There may be something more to this though. Hopefully someone else has another idea.
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ice20978 said:
I seem to be having pretty severe wifi issues on networks that are composed of a large number of routers (i.e. campus/business networks) where going between routers will result in the phone believing it is connected, but not being able to send/receive data. This is evidenced both by the lack of notifications/apps working, as well as the wifi icon in the quick toggle panel being orange (which indicates no data being sent/recieved, I believe) despite having full signal. This means that without any external indication that anything is wrong, my phone essentially does not work anymore until I turn the wifi off and back on. Previous phones (galaxy nexus, droid) as well as computers did not have this issue on the same network.
Has anyone else noticed this problem, and if so, found any way to get around it other than remembering to reset the wifi power every time you move between areas?
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I'm having the same issues both out in public and at my home. This issue didn't seem to exist prior to 4.4 update. Now I'm constantly having to toggle my WiFi on and off or toggle airplane mode and also hitting the symbol down at the bottom left on my phone and on my router at the same time. If someone has any information to correct this would be great. Like I said I never had this problem prior to 4.4.
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It sounds like there are multiple WAPs all using the same SSID, and Android is not requesting a new IP address when it disconnects from one WAP and connects to another. You could probably work around the issue using Tasker, and have it toggle Wifi off and on again any time Wifi is disconnected. I you go that route I would recommend using the trial version available from the developer's site, or one of the many similar apps that are available in the Play Store for free.
There may be something more to this though. Hopefully someone else has another idea.
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Thanks for the suggestion! One question though: does the wifi actually "disconnect" when there is a handover between two routers of the same network? Is a handover while constantly connected something tasker could detect?
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Thanks for the suggestion! One question though: does the wifi actually "disconnect" when there is a handover between two routers of the same network? Is a handover while constantly connected something tasker could detect?
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As far as I know, Android doesn't "roam" seamlessly from one AP to another even when the SSIDs are the same. I'm pretty sure Tasker would see this as Wifi being disconnected (albeit briefly). You could then tell Tasker to turn off Wifi for 5 seconds and then turn it back on again.
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As far as I know, Android doesn't "roam" seamlessly from one AP to another even when the SSIDs are the same. I'm pretty sure Tasker would see this as Wifi being disconnected (albeit briefly). You could then tell Tasker to turn off Wifi for 5 seconds and then turn it back on again.
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I finally got around to making a tasker script to do this, and tried it out for a few days, but unfortunately it does not seem to detect the changing between the different routers on my institute network as having the wifi disconnected, and thus doesn't solve the issue. It was a good idea to try though!
I've cross-posted the issue at the link below in hope motorola will see this, but if anyone knows a better way to report this, please let me know.
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/68884aa31b