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I'm having a problem getting ChromeCast to send audio through my Yamaha AV Receiver setup. I'm using a Sharp LC-60C46U LCD TV that has two HDMI inputs. One is used for the Cable and the other is used for the Chromecast, BluRay or the HDMI cable for my Computer/Galaxy S4 (as needed). The 5.1 Surround Sound is sent to my Yamaha HTR-5150 AV Receiver using the Optical Digital Audio Output since the Receiver pre-dates HDMI inputs. This set-up has worked fine for everything so far except the ChromeCast. Using ChromeCast, I get picture, but no sound through the Yamaha. Chromecast does give me audio through the TV speakers if I turn them on, but not through the Yamaha surround sound.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance,
Rich
So here's the thing...I've got an oldish HDTV and it does not support ARC audio.
So I can SEE the chromecast just fine, but no sound is going to be a problem.
I had the brilliant idea od getting a cheap 1x2 splitter, running one output to my TV and one to my sound system so that the two devices would be getting the same signal at the dame time and I just switch the input for my sound system to HDMI and it should broadcast sound just fine while the TV broadcasts the picture...right?
Wrong.
I don't know if it's the brand I used or the cheapness of it, but my chromecast would NOT work through that splitter. Even when the splitter had the input and output lights all lit up, supposedly sending signal, the video display was blank.
So, here's the thing: Is there anything available that can either split off just the audio to any other format (I have spare fiber optic port, I have spare RCA and component, I;ve got spare audio connectors aplenty), or failing that, a way to convert HDMI to Hd component or something that will work with the chromecast?
I know there's HDMI to component converters out there, but I'm guessing the chromecast needs some kind of return signal from the TV in order to operate, which is why it didn't work with my splitter maybe?
ANyway, if ayone has a good workaround i;d be much obliged. I want chromecast but I'm obviously not going to buy a new TV just to make a $35 device work
ARC is something else. Your HDMI TV will play audio from an HDMI device. Same with your receiver (unless its an HDMI pass through). You don't need any splitters or anything if your TV has HDMI.
Galahad_Knight said:
So here's the thing...I've got an oldish HDTV and it does not support ARC audio.
So I can SEE the chromecast just fine, but no sound is going to be a problem.
I had the brilliant idea od getting a cheap 1x2 splitter, running one output to my TV and one to my sound system so that the two devices would be getting the same signal at the dame time and I just switch the input for my sound system to HDMI and it should broadcast sound just fine while the TV broadcasts the picture...right?
Wrong.
I don't know if it's the brand I used or the cheapness of it, but my chromecast would NOT work through that splitter. Even when the splitter had the input and output lights all lit up, supposedly sending signal, the video display was blank.
So, here's the thing: Is there anything available that can either split off just the audio to any other format (I have spare fiber optic port, I have spare RCA and component, I;ve got spare audio connectors aplenty), or failing that, a way to convert HDMI to Hd component or something that will work with the chromecast?
I know there's HDMI to component converters out there, but I'm guessing the chromecast needs some kind of return signal from the TV in order to operate, which is why it didn't work with my splitter maybe?
ANyway, if ayone has a good workaround i;d be much obliged. I want chromecast but I'm obviously not going to buy a new TV just to make a $35 device work
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Make sure the TV sees it as being HDMI and not DVI. The TV should tell you what kind of video signal its receiving.
As the others have said, your TV should be getting the audio from the Chromecast HDMI. For testing, switch your TV speakers on - you should hear the audio.
My (older) Sony TV doesn't support ARC either, but it has optical audio out, so I run that to my sound bar and it works fine.
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As the others have said, your TV should be getting the audio from the Chromecast HDMI. For testing, switch your TV speakers on - you should hear the audio.
My (older) Sony TV doesn't support ARC either, but it has optical audio out, so I run that to my sound bar and it works fine.
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Whoops. Yeah, it looks like the reason I wasn't getting audio is my TV was set to external amp, I had to turn the built in speakers on in order to get sound.
Now, however, I can only get sound from the tinny onboard speakers and not the big thumping 5.1
Now to figure out how to fix that...
Your TV doesn't have an audio output? Either analog (sometimes labeled "variable out" if it's controlled by the TV volume control) or a digital out?
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BTW many HDMI splitters aren't HDCP compliant, and those tend not to work for non-computer sources because the HDCP handshake doesn't happen.
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And yes, something like a (genuine - beware of fakes) HDfury2 or newer will turn a spare VGA or component input into an HDMI input and split out the audio, but I'm pretty sure you can achieve what you want without adding extra conversion.
What make/ model are your TV and sound system?
Can't you plug the CC into an HDMI input on your receiver, as you would any other input device?
Agree, technically that's how mine is connected. My sound bar has 3 inputs and its HDMI output goes to my TV, then the optical output from the TV goes back to the sound bar input (since my TV doesn't support ARC).
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Your TV doesn't have an audio output? Either analog (sometimes labeled "variable out" if it's controlled by the TV volume control) or a digital out?
I have RGB cables that go from the TV to the cable box, and a fiber optic that goes from the cable box to the sound system/dvd player
The TV is connected to the sound system/dvd by an HDMI cable, and the sound system only has the one HDMI port and for some reason that HDMI connection doesn't seem to carry sound from the TV to the sound system
The TV has spare stereo outputs (Red/White), and a round yellow Digital Audio Coax port.
The sound system has a spare fiber optic port, and might have a spare red/white stereo port (but that of course would only give me stereo and not 5.1
What make/ model are your TV and sound system?
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sylvania lc320slx TV connected to a Panasonic SC-BT230 5.1 surround sound/blue ray player
So at the moment, unless I can figure out why the HDMI cable isn't porting sound from the TV/CC, it looks like the only way to get sound out of the good speakers would be Stereo only.
Unless maybe something like this? http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Optic...8ZQY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1385195890&sr=8-3 convert that digital audio coax on the TV into a fiber optic to plug into the spare fiber optic jack on the sound system?
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Can't you plug the CC into an HDMI input on your receiver, as you would any other input device?
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Only one HDMI port on the sound system and that's what the TV's plugged into
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Okay... I looked at your TV's spec sheet and your sound system's manual.
Your TV has three HDMI inputs, two on the back, one on the side.
Your combo sound system/BD player has a single HDMI output, which is how your BD/DVD disc playback gets picture on the TV, and two TOSlink optical digital audio inputs.
Your cable box is connected to the TV via Component video (red/green/blue) connection to the TV, and TOSlink audio (optical) connection to one of your sound system's inputs.
Since your TV doesn't support ARC, it can't send decoded audio back "up" the HDMI connection to the sound system, so we need to use a another connection to get the decoded audio output from your TV back to the sound system.
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Unless maybe something like this? http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Optic...8ZQY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1385195890&sr=8-3 convert that digital audio coax on the TV into a fiber optic to plug into the spare fiber optic jack on the sound system?
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Close, but you want one that converts the other way, from SPDIF coax to TOSlink optical.
Your TV will "break out" the audio from the Chromecast connection and output it on the SPDIF coax connection, it'll go through the converter (don't worry about delay, it's just a signal medium conversion, not an re-encode) to your sound system's TOSlink optical input, and you should hear audio, assuming your sound system is set to the correct input.
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Okay... I looked at your TV's spec sheet and your sound system's manual.
Your TV has three HDMI inputs, two on the back, one on the side.
Your combo sound system/BD player has a single HDMI output, which is how your BD/DVD disc playback gets picture on the TV, and two TOSlink optical digital audio inputs.
Your cable box is connected to the TV via Component video (red/green/blue) connection to the TV, and TOSlink audio (optical) connection to one of your sound system's inputs.
Since your TV doesn't support ARC, it can't send decoded audio back "up" the HDMI connection to the sound system, so we need to use a another connection to get the decoded audio output from your TV back to the sound system.
Close, but you want one that converts the other way, from SPDIF coax to TOSlink optical.
Your TV will "break out" the audio from the Chromecast connection and output it on the SPDIF coax connection, it'll go through the converter (don't worry about delay, it's just a signal medium conversion, not an re-encode) to your sound system's TOSlink optical input, and you should hear audio, assuming your sound system is set to the correct input.
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Woot! you're a lifesaver, man. Have all the +1s
I'm gonna snag that up now and report my results.
After my failed splitter experiment this should put me at about $50 worth of cables and doodads to support a $35 dongle
That'll teach me not to come here first.
Haha if it makes you feel any better, I have about $250 of gear to get Chromecast on a 20-inch SD tube TV. Half of it was already stuff I had though.
Still HBO Go and AllCast/AirCast make it quite useful.
Much easier than transcoding stuff and pushing it back to the TiVo hooked up to that TV.
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Haha if it makes you feel any better, I have about $250 of gear to get Chromecast on a 20-inch SD tube TV. Half of it was already stuff I had though.
Still HBO Go and AllCast/AirCast make it quite useful.
Much easier than transcoding stuff and pushing it back to the TiVo hooked up to that TV.
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LOL, wow, after a certain point it'd almost be cheaper to grab a new TV, or at least a decent pawn shop model
But of course, it's the principle of the matter. A new TV would be admitting defeat
Very true (and what I advise others to do - unless you have a very special display or circumstances, much cheaper to upgrade to something better), in my case I have other uses for the new gear once this invincible tube finally retires, heh. Plus I'm a "learn by doing" kind of person...
Galahad_Knight said:
Woot! you're a lifesaver, man. Have all the +1s
I'm gonna snag that up now and report my results.
After my failed splitter experiment this should put me at about $50 worth of cables and doodads to support a $35 dongle
That'll teach me not to come here first.
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Just curious as to what you ended up doing.
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Just curious as to what you ended up doing.
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Whoops! Sorry I forgot to get back about my results...I was too distracted watching chromecast in glorious 5.1
That converter worked exactly to spec. All I have to do is cast a video and my TV automatically switches video inputs, then I just tap the autio input button on my sound system remote ocne and it pops over to the second toslink port and it comes right out.
Only hitch is that it takes a second for the audio to switch over so I have to pause the video once I cast it.
And the second the video ends and there's no active output from the chromecast the audi immediately switches back to the cable box, but hey at least it works!
For the record, I solved the audio switching problem. It was super frustrating because every time I paused it would switch back to the cable box audio and it always took a second or two to come back.
Problem? Had my TV plugged into the wrong Toslink port. Port 1 is the default TV input. For the longest time all we had plugged into it was the cable box so it was in one.
Switched the TV to one and cable box to two and blammo!
I chromecast something and the TV automatically switches to the HDMI port for the dongle and the audio automatically switches over to the input from the TV! Perfection.
Then all I have to do is manually switch inputs back to component for video and digital 2 for audio and i'm back to watching cable
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I chromecast something and the TV automatically switches to the HDMI port for the dongle and the audio automatically switches over to the input from the TV! Perfection.
Then all I have to do is manually switch inputs back to component for video and digital 2 for audio and i'm back to watching cable
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Great! I love when a plan comes together!!
the chromecast is an amazing device so far. i can easily watch speed runs from it. picture quality is great. my phone feeds better than my lappy for sure.
sa1tine said:
the chromecast is an amazing device so far. i can easily watch speed runs from it. picture quality is great. my phone feeds better than my lappy for sure.
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I noticed that too, it;s weird! But if I'm casting something from a tab I pretty much have to use the laptop.
Protip: I found out that chrome will open mp4s in-browser so if you want to play a local video just C&P the file location into your chrome browser and cast away!
I´ve been reading this through these chromecast threads and I cannot seem to sort out my problem..... I have Samsung UE40EH5000 tv and Sony STR-DG700 receiver. I have tried plugging chromecast into both tv and receiver but I am only getting sound out of the tv speakers. I have run HDMI from receiver to tv but no sound from receiver, I have also tried audio cables into the receiver from the tv but no sound. I have an ipod and satellite running through receiver working fine. Please help me x
kimii1 said:
I´ve been reading this through these chromecast threads and I cannot seem to sort out my problem..... I have Samsung UE40EH5000 tv and Sony STR-DG700 receiver. I have tried plugging chromecast into both tv and receiver but I am only getting sound out of the tv speakers. I have run HDMI from receiver to tv but no sound from receiver, I have also tried audio cables into the receiver from the tv but no sound. I have an ipod and satellite running through receiver working fine. Please help me x
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Most likely it's just your TV settings - it probably doesn't support ARC (Audio Return Channel) as I don't see it mentioned in the Quick Setup or Manual.
If that's the case, you need to run the Digital output from the TV back into your receiver. See page 66 of your TV's Quick Setup (which IMO is a better "manual" than what Samsung calls the manual).
Set your TV's Speaker Select to External Speaker. It says that on TV Speaker it should have sound out both the TV's speakers and external output, but at least on my Sony TV and Sony sound bar, having both on produces a strange echo effect.
(See page 53 of your TV manual)
Also check on your receiver that the HDMI port has been properly assigned to the input that you're using.
(See page 66 of your receiver manual)
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Most likely it's just your TV settings - it probably doesn't support ARC (Audio Return Channel) as I don't see it mentioned in the Quick Setup or Manual.
If that's the case, you need to run the Digital output from the TV back into your receiver. See page 66 of your TV's Quick Setup (which IMO is a better "manual" than what Samsung calls the manual).
Set your TV's Speaker Select to External Speaker. It says that on TV Speaker it should have sound out both the TV's speakers and external output, but at least on my Sony TV and Sony sound bar, having both on produces a strange echo effect.
(See page 53 of your TV manual)
Also check on your receiver that the HDMI port has been properly assigned to the input that you're using.
(See page 66 of your receiver manual)
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I actually think this is a problem on his Amp side....he did say that he tried plugging into the Amp directly and got the same result.
If his TV doesn't support ARC he could use an Optical cable from the TV to the Amp and that would work.
But he might need to check the Audio settings on his AMP for that particular HDMI port.
Not sure about the devices he says works but I wouldn't expect a IPod to plug into the same HDMI plug he was trying to use and most older Sat boxes usually use an Optical input instead of the HDMI.
And you can change the Input on most Receivers to set what Audio source to take from be it optical or HDMI.
He should check the settings for that particular output and see if the Audio is set to HDMI.
Many thanks guys for your help but its still not working, I haven´t tried an optical cable because I need to buy one and they are about 30-40 euros here, and I thought audio should run through HDMI.
The chromecast is from the USA and I am in portugal will that make a difference?
Here is my setup....Chromecast plugged into TV, HDMI cable plugged into TV and run to receiver (3 HDMI ports on receiver, not sure which one is correct, but have tried all three I think!!)
Have tried with TV speakers and external speaker settings on TV.
I have tried the HDMI menu on the receiver.
Will an optical cable be the solution?
kimii1 said:
Many thanks guys for your help but its still not working, I haven´t tried an optical cable because I need to buy one and they are about 30-40 euros here, and I thought audio should run through HDMI.
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Ouch, that's horribly expensive. Optical cables should be US$10 or less, though you can definitely spend more. But optical cables do not need shielding the same way electrical cables do.
Not sure where you are, but here's a quick search on Amazon UK for price comparison
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=toslink+optical+cable
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The chromecast is from the USA and I am in portugal will that make a difference?
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No difference whatsoever.
kimii1 said:
Here is my setup....Chromecast plugged into TV, HDMI cable plugged into TV and run to receiver (3 HDMI ports on receiver, not sure which one is correct, but have tried all three I think!!)
Have tried with TV speakers and external speaker settings on TV.
I have tried the HDMI menu on the receiver.
Will an optical cable be the solution?
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If you hear audio on your TV, then yes, the optical cable will solve the problem by sending the decoded audio from the TV back to the receiver.
kimii1 said:
Many thanks guys for your help but its still not working, I haven´t tried an optical cable because I need to buy one and they are about 30-40 euros here, and I thought audio should run through HDMI.
The chromecast is from the USA and I am in portugal will that make a difference?
Here is my setup....Chromecast plugged into TV, HDMI cable plugged into TV and run to receiver (3 HDMI ports on receiver, not sure which one is correct, but have tried all three I think!!)
Have tried with TV speakers and external speaker settings on TV.
I have tried the HDMI menu on the receiver.
Will an optical cable be the solution?
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Yes Optical would solve your problem, The wiring you described would only work if your amp and TV support HDMI-ARC which really requires a more recent TV and AMP. That port is usually specially marked on both the TV and AMP side.
I'm betting most of the cost of that cable is in the shipping.but Ebay has a slew available that would bring the price down.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=optical+cable&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1
Many thanks guys the optical cable worked straight away, I managed to buy one local for 15 euros, was worth it!
One other issue I have come across which you may or may not be able to help me with.
One of the things I want to do with chromecast is run karaoke videos from YouTube, I have a mixer the microphones are plugged into but I found the optical sound was overriding the sound. I have sound from the tv (youtube) but no sound from the microphones, If I unplugged the optical cable I lose sound from the tv and get sound from the mics.
Is there a way around this?
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Many thanks guys the optical cable worked straight away, I managed to buy one local for 15 euros, was worth it!
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One of the things I want to do with chromecast is run karaoke videos from YouTube, I have a mixer the microphones are plugged into but I found the optical sound was overriding the sound. I have sound from the tv (youtube) but no sound from the microphones, If I unplugged the optical cable I lose sound from the tv and get sound from the mics.
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What's the make and model of your mixer?
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What's the make and model of your mixer?
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Not sure and I´m not with it! Will post tomorrow.
Not sure thats possible because the Chromecast takes the content directly from their servers if I'm not mistaken.
You would have to take the Output of the Audio from the TV or Amp and Mix it all Post Chromecast.
Easiest way....
CCast into TV, TV into Mixer, Mic into Mixer, Mixer into Amp. Amp to Speakers
If your mixer has an Optical Input that can be mixed all the better but most likely your going to be Analog from the TV to the Mixer.
You CAN get a box that will pull Audio out of an HDMI signal to analog as well but it's overkill since the TV will give you the same thing already.
Sounds like it might be a mix of analog and digital in the path. Will wait for tomorrow's update.
Sent from a device with no keyboard. Please forgive typos, they may not be my own.
Is it possible to connect Android via MHL adapter to a PS3?
I know it sounds useless when we can just connect to our TVs.
My issue is this.
I have a sound bar because I like it loud.
Have my PS3 connected through HDMI to TV and composite audio out to sound bar.
I want to have my Android playing through sound bar.
The only way I see it possible is through the PS3.
Is it possible?
Found a work around unless I can figure this out.
Connected audio to sound bar via BT.
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Found a work around unless I can figure this out.
Connected audio to sound bar via BT.
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This is just mind-numbingly confusing. Doesn't the PS3 have a built in music player you could use (I can't remember, mine hasn't been on since i got my PS4)? If not then Bluetooth sounds like your only option. Are you trying to get game sound and music at the same time? If so this is not possible.
No. I am streaming video from my device through MHL and the volume through my TV wasn't loud enough for my liking.
The only way to do what I want was video through MHL and audio through BT.
Works pretty well honestly.
Still prefer going through PS3 but I don't know if it's possible.
Here is my set-up:
A Vivo LTV42FHDN 42” Full HD TV (2x HDMI inputs, 1x RCA stereo audio output, few other audio and video input connectors, and a set of really crappy built-in speakers)
A Logitech 2.1 Speaker system connected to TV's RCA audio output
An old DELL XPS M1330 notebook running Windows 7 hooked up to the TV via one HDMI port
A new Chromecast I’m trying to setup connected to the other HDMI port.
When I watch TV and switch to the HDMI input of the PC I get audio through both the TV’s crappy built in speakers as well as the much better sounding Logitech Speakers. However, when I switch to the Chromecast I only hear audio through TV’s built-in speakers. I have connected other PCs and tablets through HDMI before and from what I recall, sound always came out external speakers.
Is there any reason for the PC and Chromecast to behave differently when connected via HDMI ? I tried both HDMI ports, went through TV's audio settings (which only has very few settings like bass, treble, and some sound profiles), but couldn't get the chromecast to output audio through external speakers.
Does this mean Chromecast doesn’t support somesort of an HDMI specification/standard my old PC does, therefore the TV can't split and reroute the audio ? Is there any way to get around this without buying new hardware ? Other than audio, rest of it works great ! For me spending $50 or so extra on additional hardware really defeats the purpose of buying a Chromecast, because for that price I could've bought a DLNA enabled media player.
Any help appreciated. Thanks.
I'm not sure about your LG, but my Sony correctly re-routes audio from Chromecast to SPDIF (optical) output connected to AVR, so the Chromecast isn't a problem. I'm not sure about analog RCA output though.
Just go through your TV settings again. There must be an option burried somewhere in menus.
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I'm not sure about your LG, but my Sony correctly re-routes audio from Chromecast to SPDIF (optical) output connected to AVR, so the Chromecast isn't a problem. I'm not sure about analog RCA output though.
Just go through your TV settings again. There must be an option burried somewhere in menus.
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Thanks for your reply, I did go through all the settings on the TV and even read the manual. But couldn't find anything there. Its not a very high-end TV, hence no optical output, all I have is that stereo analogue output.
Few minutes after posting I again connected my new notebook, and a Windows 8 tablet, audio works fine with all of them. But the Chromecast just doesn't work the same way. When I tested I connected all devices to the same HDMI port and didn't change anything on the TV, all I did was plug one in > test > unplug > plug the next one in > test etc.. that's all.. the fact that everything but the Chromecast work has to mean there is something different in Chromecast's HDMI signal.
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Thanks for your reply, I did go through all the settings on the TV and even read the manual. But couldn't find anything there. Its not a very high-end TV, hence no optical output, all I have is that stereo analogue output.
Few minutes after posting I again connected my new notebook, and a Windows 8 tablet, audio works fine with all of them. But the Chromecast just doesn't work the same way. When I tested I connected all devices to the same HDMI port and didn't change anything on the TV, all I did was plug one in > test > unplug > plug the next one in > test etc.. that's all.. the fact that everything but the Chromecast work has to mean there is something different in Chromecast's HDMI signal.
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Try switching the audio output in whatever application you're casting from to Stereo.
If Chromecast is sending multichannel audio, your TV might be smart enough to decode and play it on its speakers, but not smart enough to downmix to the analog output.
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Here is my set-up:
A Vivo LTV42FHDN 42” Full HD TV (2x HDMI inputs, 1x RCA stereo audio output, few other audio and video input connectors, and a set of really crappy built-in speakers)
A Logitech 2.1 Speaker system connected to TV's RCA audio output
An old DELL XPS M1330 notebook running Windows 7 hooked up to the TV via one HDMI port
A new Chromecast I’m trying to setup connected to the other HDMI port.
When I watch TV and switch to the HDMI input of the PC I get audio through both the TV’s crappy built in speakers as well as the much better sounding Logitech Speakers. However, when I switch to the Chromecast I only hear audio through TV’s built-in speakers. I have connected other PCs and tablets through HDMI before and from what I recall, sound always came out external speakers.
Is there any reason for the PC and Chromecast to behave differently when connected via HDMI ? I tried both HDMI ports, went through TV's audio settings (which only has very few settings like bass, treble, and some sound profiles), but couldn't get the chromecast to output audio through external speakers.
Does this mean Chromecast doesn’t support somesort of an HDMI specification/standard my old PC does, therefore the TV can't split and reroute the audio ? Is there any way to get around this without buying new hardware ? Other than audio, rest of it works great ! For me spending $50 or so extra on additional hardware really defeats the purpose of buying a Chromecast, because for that price I could've bought a DLNA enabled media player.
Any help appreciated. Thanks.
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Hi,Were you able to resolve this problem? Chromecast works great except for this exact same annoying problem. Also have the same TV. Thanks.