Will this ever happen?
I just got my new...used note 4. I have sim unlocked it. I'd like to wait a little while before rooting it to see if anyone creates a new root method which doesn't trip knox. I hate that I cant use titanim, or LMT, or even root explorer.
Any opinions... Should I just go and trip the Knox.. I do not need KNOX, but I read something in another post which said if knox is tripped then we might not be able to flash updated ROMS???
THe other reason for not tripping knox would be for resale value.
ilmar72 said:
Will this ever happen?
I just got my new...used note 4. I have sim unlocked it. I'd like to wait a little while before rooting it to see if anyone creates a new root method which doesn't trip knox. I hate that I cant use titanim, or LMT, or even root explorer.
Any opinions... Should I just go and trip the Knox.. I do not need KNOX, but I read something in another post which said if knox is tripped then we might not be able to flash updated ROMS???
THe other reason for not tripping knox would be for resale value.
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If you're questioning whether you should root or not, then you shouldn't root. I don't regret tripping knox, I'm enjoying the phone much more now.
The question you should be asking yourself is. Is there anything I want that I can't do without a root?
By the time a method without tripping knox comes out (if ever), that resell value would have dropped substantially.
Hey where can I download your rom
Wrong section buddy
Well I just figured out tonight that LMT does work in this phone without root. At least the pie wheel does. I haven't tried any gestures yet.
So this makes me happy
Edit: I see this is nothing new. Lmt says root is needed for gestures and isas
theeze said:
If you're questioning whether you should root or not, then you shouldn't root. I don't regret tripping knox, I'm enjoying the phone much more now.
The question you should be asking yourself is. Is there anything I want that I can't do without a root?
By the time a method without tripping knox comes out (if ever), that resell value would have dropped substantially.
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Good point. But is it true that we won't be able to flash new radios?
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hey. should I root my phone now or wait until there's a way to root without tripping knox? I'm just worried that if something ever happened to my phone while knox is tripped, I won't be able to get it replaced. Does it even matter if Knox is tripped when getting a phone replaced? I also have the jump insurance thing if that matters.
What I was going to do with my personal note 4 was play with it for 24 hours and get a feel for the stock firmware and then decide.
That was working until I went to a long dinner with friends. There was some wine. I was rooted and running firekat before I got home thanks to a friends lappy.
I woke up the next day and the phone was sooooo much better.
Just do it. You won't regret it.
As to your other questions.
I work at a cell phone repair store. We just flash clients note 4s back to the stock firmware with odin when people want to do an exchange with tmobile or Samsung.
You pay for insurance so you don't have to worry about such things.
Karakoram2 said:
What I was going to do with my personal note 4 was play with it for 24 hours and get a feel for the stock firmware and then decide.
That was working until I went to a long dinner with friends. There was some wine. I was rooted and running firekat before I got home thanks to a friends lappy.
I woke up the next day and the phone was sooooo much better.
Just do it. You won't regret it.
As to your other questions.
I work at a cell phone repair store. We just flash clients note 4s back to the stock firmware with odin when people want to do an exchange with tmobile or Samsung.
You pay for insurance so you don't have to worry about such things.
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yeah.. I'm already tired of touchwiz. Had a galaxy s3 before this with slimkat.
Wait.. Even if there comes a way to root without tripping Knox, wouldn't Knox have to be tripped anyways when flashing a custom ROM or recovery besides stock firmware?
ayeitschris said:
yeah.. I'm already tired of touchwiz. Had a galaxy s3 before this with slimkat.
Wait.. Even if there comes a way to root without tripping Knox, wouldn't Knox have to be tripped anyways when flashing a custom ROM or recovery besides stock firmware?
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People aren't optimistic about a way to root without tripping Knox.
Just do it. On most of the roms you can't even tell Knox is tripped. I'm currently using private mode, the fingerprint scanner, and it says se android enforcing on firekat v6 on the phone I'm writing with.
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People aren't optimistic about a way to root without tripping Knox.
Just do it. On most of the roms you can't even tell Knox is tripped. I'm currently using private mode, the fingerprint scanner, and it says se android enforcing on firekat v6 on the phone I'm writing with.
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Follow up: it is indeed when cf autoroot flashes a temporary recovery to gain root access that Knox is tripped.
5.0.1
Ok, so i googled a bit and do see that some people have had issues trying this, but most of the examples i was reading were on devices from carriers with locked bootloaders. Since the tmo version has an unloacked BL was wondering if anyone has tried this or not?
I was thinking of simply using flashify or twrp manager to install recovery from within my currently rooted (superuser) rom. Most people that have tried using locked bootloaders endup with a soft brick from what i have seen. Just not sure how much the unlocked bootloader would help us in this situation.
I know i can just use CF auto root but was trying to do it without tripping knox really. However, i have never had issues with any warranty through tmobile (rooted, tripped knox, whatever) and with the announcement of android pay, i am way less interested in samsung pay so tripped knox wouldnt be the end of the world... but still curious
EDIT: So apparently chainfire just released something called flashfire that appears it can do exactly what i am looking for. Anyone else looking for the same should check it out...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/paid-software/flashfire-t3075433
So, this will not trip knox? I'm currently stock waiting for the 5.1 update to see if it's worth it to keep stock or root my phone. I just want to root it so bad because I could hypothetically get double battery life with the tweaks I would do. I'm interested in Samsung Pay (sorta) but if Google Wallet/Android Pay will have the same functions, then IDC.
darklime said:
So, this will not trip knox? I'm currently stock waiting for the 5.1 update to see if it's worth it to keep stock or root my phone. I just want to root it so bad because I could hypothetically get double battery life with the tweaks I would do. I'm interested in Samsung Pay (sorta) but if Google Wallet/Android Pay will have the same functions, then IDC.
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If you install recovery no matter what method it will trip. For Roms, Flashfire won't trip as long as you don't flash boot.img aka kernel. You need to remove it before flashing
Hi all just wanted to find out how to do this
Thanks
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I want to root just so I can recover files as most apps must have root.
Then I will unroot to get samsung pay and reset the knox counter.
abuch47 said:
Then I will unroot to get samsung pay and reset the knox counter.
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Tripping Knox is permanent. You cannot reset Knox, even by unrooting your phone. Only Samsung can do it, and even so, it's very rare.
CafeKampuchia said:
Tripping Knox is permanent. You cannot reset Knox, even by unrooting your phone. Only Samsung can do it, and even so, it's very rare.
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Thanks so I have done a bit more research and like you said permanent and then therefore Samsung Pay will never work. It will be a while yet before its available in AUS anyway so I'm not bothered.
So rooting is back on the cards to recover my camera album I accidentally deleted. It seems so daunting and over my head though. I don't want to brick my phone.
Do you have a easy and effective recommendation for backing up the note 5 before I head down the path of rooting?
Even then it's not very likely you can get the pictures back. Every time you touch your phone to do anything you are likely to overwrite those old memory locations - even by booting the phone.
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^Someone else said that and its already been a week. I may try anyway to test out the functionality of a rooted phone. What are the benefits of rooting for a non-power user?
Anyone have a recommended backup service?
Currently no one has really figured out what KNOX is. Some say it is a eFuse but there isn't any solid evidence. Even if it is a eFuse there must be some way to bypass it? We just need to knox for what it checks specifically.
Here are some facts:
Some people claim that they got their phone repaired by guarantee and it reset their KNOX counter from 1 to 0 without changing the motherboard.
SamFAIL can currently root your phone without tripping KNOX. The question is how?
KunkerLV said:
Currently no one has really figured out what KNOX is. Some say it is a eFuse but there isn't any solid evidence. Even if it is a eFuse there must be some way to bypass it? We just need to knox for what it checks specifically.
Here are some facts:
Some people claim that they got their phone repaired by guarantee and it reset their KNOX counter from 1 to 0 without changing the motherboard.
SamFAIL can currently root your phone without tripping KNOX. The question is how?
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We actually know a lot of those answers already...Samsung doesn't exactly keep it all a secret . As per Google:
https://support.samsungknox.com/hc/...-a-Knox-Warranty-Bit-and-how-is-it-triggered-
sefrcoko said:
We actually know a lot of those answers already...Samsung doesn't exactly keep it all a secret . As per Google:
https://support.samsungknox.com/hc/...-a-Knox-Warranty-Bit-and-how-is-it-triggered-
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Thanks didn't know such an article existed. So perhaps finding out how it detects if a non-knox kernel has been loaded and then bypass it that way.
Also do you have any idea how SamFAIL manages to keep knox 0x0?
KunkerLV said:
Thanks didn't know such an article existed. So perhaps finding out how it detects if a non-knox kernel has been loaded and then bypass it that way.
Also do you have any idea how SamFAIL manages to keep knox 0x0?
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Hmm not sure... I suspect it has something to do with having a locked bootloader on those Snapdragon models, meaning root must be achieved differently (in a way that doesn't trip knox), but I really am just speculating here. There may be more detail in the SamFail thread, or someone else might be able to better explain. I have an Exynos model.
I think that the very reason for implementing something like knox is, SAFETY for the user/owner, many see knox as a restraint, something that does not allow them to fully tinker with their devices, at the end, anybody can root the device, knox indeed has nothing to do with it, just flags the fact that the device has been tampered, and no longer as secure as it was before, so, I think knox is a GOOD thing, and that anybody has achieved to return it to 0x0 once tripped, is excellent news, but that is my opinion
Sorry to say but it's unlikely you'll find a way to bypass Knox without tripping it. People much smarter than us have been trying ever since it came out.
In roms you can disable Knox & it will show 0x0 but it will still show tripped in download mode. SamFail doesn't trip Knox cause it's using an engineering bootloader that was leaked from Samsung. Since that engineering bootloader is not custom binary, it won't trip Knox. So until something similar is leaked for Exynos, root without trippin Knox is not possible. Well it's not root exactly, it's flashing custom recovery (like TWRP) is what trips Knox since it's custom binaries & you need TWRP to root.
What is the best way to reset Knox to 0x0? If possible without root...
mjoude said:
What is the best way to reset Knox to 0x0? If possible without root...
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short answer: no, you cant reset knox back to 0x0.
The reason i didn't root was that i lose more functionality than i gain and there's no going back to knox 0x0 after that. I couldn't imagine my S3 Mini or S5 without root but my Note9 is perfect without root as many things that were available only with root in the past are included in the stock firmware or in Good Lock modules.
yaibakt said:
short answer: no, you cant reset knox back to 0x0.
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https://www.knoxreset.com
What about..?
mjoude said:
https://www.knoxreset.com
What about..?
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It's a scam. The Knox flag is indicating the state of an eFuse, which can't be changed nor reverted.
Shadowprince94 said:
It's a scam. The Knox flag is indicating the state of an eFuse, which can't be changed nor reverted.
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The ONLY way to get KNOX back to 0X0 is to replace the mainboard...
You can get a rooted phone to display KNOX as 0X0 but it is cosmetic only and won't fool any apps that don't work on a rooted phone.
If you haven't replaced the boot file, rooted or replaced the recovery then an app you have installed likely is malware that has tried or successfully gained root privileges...
mjoude said:
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Simple answer NO i made a mistake rooting my Tab S4 i'm never ever rooting unless i get a SnapDragon as they i heard you can root without trpping Knox! Also root is not needed as we have Youtube Vanced, Disconnect Pro! Package Disabler Pro, and #Mono oh forgot about Goodlock! Unless your planning on running Custom Roms it's simply not worth Rooting! As it's to much headache to root update reroot etc!
N1NJATH3ORY said:
Simple answer NO i made a mistake rooting my Tab S4 i'm never ever rooting unless i get a SnapDragon as they i heard you can root without trpping Knox! Also root is not needed as we have Youtube Vanced, Disconnect Pro! Package Disabler Pro, and #Mono oh forgot about Goodlock! Unless your planning on running Custom Roms it's simply not worth Rooting! As it's to much headache to root update reroot etc!
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This^ I also removed a few preinstalled apps via ADB and granted one permission for Tasker via ADB as well. Root was mandatory in the past but not any more at all.