Was wondering, Does Adaptive Fast Charging Come Pre-Enabled on the Note 4? Or do we have to go to the Battery Settings first to enable it?
arjun90 said:
Was wondering, Does Adaptive Fast Charging Come Pre-Enabled on the Note 4? Or do we have to go to the Battery Settings first to enable it?
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When I got mine, it was enabled already.
Oh, if your fast charge your battery once, does it reduce your battery's lifespan in the long run, or does it need to be fast recharged several times for a notable difference?
devynbf said:
When I got mine, it was enabled already.
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arjun90 said:
Oh, if your fast charge your battery once, does it reduce your battery's lifespan in the long run, or does it need to be fast recharged several times for a notable difference?
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As a general rule, the faster you charge the battery, the hotter it gets. The hotter it gets, the more quickly it will degrade. I still use my S3 charger to charge the Note 4 overnight.
Does it really make a noticeable difference? From what I've read, probably not. But I don't think there's been much objective testing. Just using fast charging once is highly unlikely to affect it in noticeable ways at all.
If you've charged the battery once using the fast-charging method, is that going to impact the lifespan of the battery? Or does it take multiple fast-charges for the battery to begin to loose its charge?
Nowadays I use the regular 2amp Samsung charger that came with my Wireless Charger.
Noxious Ninja said:
As a general rule, the faster you charge the battery, the hotter it gets. The hotter it gets, the more quickly it will degrade. I still use my S3 charger to charge the Note 4 overnight.
Does it really make a noticeable difference? From what I've read, probably not. But I don't think there's been much objective testing.
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arjun90 said:
If you've charged the battery once using the fast-charging method, is that going to impact the lifespan of the battery? Or does it take multiple fast-charge for the battery to begin to loose its charge?
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I edited that in right after I posted, but I guess you beat me to it. As far as I can tell, it's a gradual process. Unless the phone seriously overheated during the one charge, it shouldn't have much effect at all.
Thanks, looks like I don't another one of the Fast Adaptive Chargers after all, haha.
Noxious Ninja said:
I edited that in right after I posted, but I guess you beat me to it. As far as I can tell, it's a gradual process. Unless the phone seriously overheated during the one charge, it shouldn't have much effect at all.
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Honestly I'm not sure if it diminishes battery.
I have to take it off because I'm using a Zerolemon battery and it doesn't charge all the way up unless the fast charging is off.
The adaptive charging is built in as long as you're using the included charger. It charges at a higher voltage so it's not as damaging as say, a 3 amp charger would be, but it takes many many fast charges to affect the battery's performance. Generally speaking though, the faster you charge the more capacity you lose over time, but the worst thing you can do is charge it &leave it plugged in for hours fully charged. I use an old Bluetooth charger that's 500mah when i charge overnight & the fast charger at work or in the living room.
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Or do I need to let it die completely before charging? What do I need to do?
melted_cow said:
Or do I need to let it die completely before charging? What do I need to do?
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no just use it
melted_cow said:
Or do I need to let it die completely before charging? What do I need to do?
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use it fully untill it drains completely, then charge it to 100% , then use it fully 2 or 3 times and fully charge it.
then just use it like normal and charge like normal
Phil750123 said:
use it fully untill it drains completely, then charge it to 100% , then use it fully 2 or 3 times and fully charge it.
then just use it like normal and charge like normal
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That's an interesting dance that hasn't been relevant for over a decade. Interesting that you got a thanks but the correct answer didn't.
Phil750123 said:
use it fully untill it drains completely, then charge it to 100% , then use it fully 2 or 3 times and fully charge it.
then just use it like normal and charge like normal
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Please do not follow this advice. This used to be the best way to stop NiCad batteried from developing low capacity 'crystal memory' but it is not the case with LiOn or LiPo batteries, in fact, quite the opposite. Doing as he recommends is much more likely to damage the battery and even start a fire.
A LiPo shouldn't be discharged by more than 80% if at all possible. If you want to know more there are a lot of links on the interweb but here's a typical thread on stack exchange .. and a quote from it ...
http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...-first-time-charging-on-li-ion-batteries-myth
Nowadays, batteries are often Lithium-Ion or Lithium-Polymer and such batteries (as I have read many times and based on my own experience) would be stronger if you charge them often. The first time charging and "wait-until-full-discharge-before-recharge" and "don't-use-when-charging" are not applicable to these modern batteries.
Li-Ion and Li-Polymer batteries, if charged often, after about 1 month, would reach to their maximum performance, and you are recommended to charge them every time you find an outlet!
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and another ... http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...e-battery-discharge-fully-or-as-low-as-possib
radiotrib said:
Please do not follow this advice. This used to be the best way to stop NiCad batteried from developing low capacity 'crystal memory' but it is not the case with LiOn or LiPo batteries, in fact, quite the opposite. Doing as he recommends is much more likely to damage the battery and even start a fire.
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Wow, now we have the Richard Dawkins of battery advice. Well done.
Can everybody just calm the funk down and charge their batteries as and when they see fit? It's fine. Either way.
There is circuitry inside the battery that will prevent them from over charging, under charging, over discharging catching fire and generally behaving badly. There is also no memory effect. Just charge them when you think you'll need them.
Yeah just keep using it, if one day in the distant or not-so-distant future it doesn't turn on for some reason and/or seems unresponsive, it might need charging.
Phil750123 said:
use it fully untill it drains completely, then charge it to 100% , then use it fully 2 or 3 times and fully charge it.
then just use it like normal and charge like normal
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BenPope said:
Wow, now we have the Richard Dawkins of battery advice. Well done.
Can everybody just calm the funk down and charge their batteries as and when they see fit? It's fine. Either way.
There is circuitry inside the battery that will prevent them from over charging, under charging, over discharging catching fire and generally behaving badly. There is also no memory effect. Just charge them when you think you'll need them.
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Hmmm .. shows how out of date I can get ... I didn't realise that the overcharge protection had reached such a state of sophistication ... Personally I never bothered with battery regimes, even in the bad old NiCad days ...
Thanks for the correction.
The overcharging prevention was first introduced to the Sensation and EVO 3D phones. I remember when I started seeing it because I would leave for work, and sometimes my battery wasn't charged fully. What it was doing was charging to 100%, then stops charging and will let it discharge 5%, then start charging again. And it would keep doing it until I took it off the charger. I've yet to see my EVO 4G LTE do that, though. Maybe it's been refined so that we don't notice it as much?
eXplicit815 said:
The overcharging prevention was first introduced to the Sensation and EVO 3D phones. I remember when I started seeing it because I would leave for work, and sometimes my battery wasn't charged fully. What it was doing was charging to 100%, then stops charging and will let it discharge 5%, then start charging again. And it would keep doing it until I took it off the charger. I've yet to see my EVO 4G LTE do that, though. Maybe it's been refined so that we don't notice it as much?
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Wrong. Even early smartphones had overcharging protection. My old HTC Desire definitely had it.
BenPope said:
Wow, now we have the Richard Dawkins of battery advice. Well done.
Can everybody just calm the funk down and charge their batteries as and when they see fit? It's fine. Either way.
There is circuitry inside the battery that will prevent them from over charging, under charging, over discharging catching fire and generally behaving badly. There is also no memory effect. Just charge them when you think you'll need them.
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On the note of over-discharging: just because there is circuitry inside the battery to prevent over-discharging doesn't mean you should ever let your phone run down to (what your battery shows as) 0%. Yes, the phone will generally shut off when the battery is left at around 3v, but it's still possible to force turn your phone on (which you should never do) after that point. Not to mention, leaving the battery at a low voltage for a significant period of time WILL affect the overall lifespan of the battery. Battery manufacturers will do what they can, but there is really no such thing as "true" over-discharge protection, as with overcharge protection, since batteries will still lose charge even when not in service.
Yes, if you let your battery run down to (what your phone shows) 0% occassionally, that is OK. But you should really only be doing that if and only if you need to re-calibrate for cell mismatches.
Hah! I still remember when I bought a mugen battery the instruction clearly says to discharge it fully and charge it fully for like 5 times to get optimum capacity Obviously I didn't do it. I am much aware of these things since good old Nokia 3310 days.
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Bit of random one but can I charge my nexus 6 with a normal charger say my old Samsung s4 charger?
Don't want to damage my battery or phone but can't see why it would but would rather check.
I'm guessing it will just take longer to charge?
Cheers lee
leekeene said:
Hello
Bit of random one but can I charge my nexus 6 with a normal charger say my old Samsung s4 charger?
Don't want to damage my battery or phone but can't see why it would but would rather check.
I'm guessing it will just take longer to charge?
Cheers lee
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sure, you can use any compatible charger. but to warn you, most normal phone chargers will just take MUCH longer to charge the n6.
Yea no worries on the time. Thinking slower charge over night might be better than leaving it plugged in fully charged for longer. Plus I'm a believer about running battery flat for the first few charges and only have a normal charger at work which is when it will run out next lol
leekeene said:
Yea no worries on the time. Thinking slower charge over night might be better than leaving it plugged in fully charged for longer. Plus I'm a believer about running battery flat for the first few charges and only have a normal charger at work which is when it will run out next lol
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1) You *cannot* run the battery flat. The battery chip WILL shut you down when the voltage drops below a certain threshold.
2) Li-ion batteries DO NOT do well with being deep cycled. The lower you let it drop, the shorter the battery life. This is one of the reasons why they shut you down before it goes flat.
3) The battery has to have a minimum voltage in order to power the circuit that controls charging. Yes, if the battery level drops too low, YOU CAN'T EVEN RECHARGE IT.
It is better for the battery to charge slowly, and to top up frequently.
Device: Nexus 6
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Whether or not its more beneficial to the battery to user conventional charger vs the quick charge. I was wondering if using one method would drain the battery slower or if they discharge at the same rate regardless of which method you use.
424aca said:
Device: Nexus 6
Rom: AOSIP
Kernel: Hells Core Kernel Zen
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Whether or not its more beneficial to the battery to user conventional charger vs the quick charge. I was wondering if using one method would drain the battery slower or if they discharge at the same rate regardless of which method you use.
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it doesnt matter how you charge it, the discharge rate will be the same rwgardless. the only difference is that it will take 4+ hours to charge with what you ate considering a conventional charger. btw, the conventional charger for a n6 is its "quick" charger.
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it doesnt matter how you charge it, the discharge rate will be the same rwgardless. the only difference is that it will take 4+ hours to charge with what you ate considering a conventional charger. btw, the conventional charger for a n6 is its "quick" charger.
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Actually there kind of is a difference. In my experience its best to use a conventional charger when you don't need a lot of power fast, say for example while you're sleeping. If you're phones battery is low and you need some extra charge quick, plug it in the "quick charger". Over the long term this will help you're battery retain its health over a longer period of time. Again that's just my personal advice based on what i do.
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Actually there kind of is a difference. In my experience its best to use a conventional charger when you don't need a lot of power fast, say for example while you're sleeping. If you're phones battery is low and you need some extra charge quick, plug it in the "quick charger". Over the long term this will help you're battery retain its health over a longer period of time. Again that's just my personal advice based on what i do.
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over the long term.. you plan on owning your phone for the next 5+ years? if not, chances are that your battery will out live your phone/ownership of your phone.
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over the long term.. you plan on owning your phone for the next 5+ years? if not, chances are that your battery will out live your phone/ownership of your phone.
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Depends, i'm a student and don't have a lot of money so ill keep my phone for a while.
Hi guys, I just bought the TurboPower charger from motorola since my (refurbished) N6 came with only a usb cable. I am very happy with the blazing fast charge speeds but was wondering if continuing to charge the phone after it reaches 100% battery might have any adverse effect on the battery's health or lifespan? A quick google search revealed little consensus so I'm hoping for an expert to chime in on here.
I tend to charge my phone overnight while I sleep, so with the new charger this means several hours of charging at 100% battery, and naturally the phone gets reasonably warm when undergoing such rapid charging, so I'd like to make sure I'm not causing long-term damage! (especially given that I'm not going anywhere near the Huawei N6 if it really has that hideous raised black bar on the back for the camera :/ )
If indeed this is bad for the battery - would using my (slower charging) old Nexus 4 charger overnight be any better? Or is it a bad idea to mix chargers from different phones? Generally this is a question I've always wondered about actually so it'd be good to finally find out.
Here are the charger's output specs from the motorola page in case that's relevant:
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Standard: 5V / 1.67A (8W)
TurboPower: 9V / 1.67A (15W)
TurboPower: 12V / 1.2A (15W)
No. use the normal charger for overnight and turbo charger on the go. or outside.
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XDAcube said:
No. use the normal charger for overnight and turbo charger on the go. or outside.
Cloud White Nexus 6
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"No" as in "no it won't harm my battery to charge past 100%"? If so then why bother with the old charger at all? Sorry if I've misunderstood your answer.
christensen6 said:
"No" as in "no it won't harm my battery to charge past 100%"? If so then why bother with the old charger at all? Sorry if I've misunderstood your answer.
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I ment it as yes it degrades battery life overnight to turbo charge.
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If indeed this is bad for the battery
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Standard: 5V / 1.67A (8W)
TurboPower: 9V / 1.67A (15W)
TurboPower: 12V / 1.2A (15W)
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The turbo is not always on. The M-charger switches to standard when the battery is > 78% charged. So at night your 6 battery is not permanently charged with turbo
The N6-bat has a high capacity of 3400mA/h and suitable for turbocharging.
I use the M-charger with a cheap qi-pad for wireless charging at night. When connected to the Qi-pad the M-charger acts like a standard charger.
When needed I connect the M-charger directly to the phone.
christensen6 said:
"No" as in "no it won't harm my battery to charge past 100%"? If so then why bother with the old charger at all? Sorry if I've misunderstood your answer.
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the previous answers are both correct within a certain context.
all batteries have degradation from charging, although constantly subjecting it to the excessive heat of turbo charging will speed this up.
maybe it will take a year or 18mos before you realize the charge isnt lasting as long as it used to, maybe less. its a guess really.
the point is, dont subject it to turbo charging unless you really need that option. it is the best way to maximize the life span of your battery.
bweN diorD said:
the previous answers are both correct within a certain context.
all batteries have degradation from charging, although constantly subjecting it to the excessive heat of turbo charging will speed this up.
maybe it will take a year or 18mos before you realize the charge isnt lasting as long as it used to, maybe less. its a guess really.
the point is, dont subject it to turbo charging unless you really need that option. it is the best way to maximize the life span of your battery.
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Thanks for the clear response do you happen to know if there is any adverse effect from using a slower charger designed for a smaller battery (like the Nexus 4 charger I am currently using)? I wouldn't have thought so but you never know...
bweN diorD said:
the previous answers are both correct within a certain context.
all batteries have degradation from charging, although constantly subjecting it to the excessive heat of turbo charging will speed this up.
maybe it will take a year or 18mos before you realize the charge isnt lasting as long as it used to, maybe less. its a guess really.
the point is, dont subject it to turbo charging unless you really need that option. it is the best way to maximize the life span of your battery.
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While I agree that all electronic components lifespan is reduced by excessive heat, I don't think that answers the question fully.
Regardless of the charging method employed (standard or turbo) you will not reduce battery lifespan by remaining connected to the charger at 100% capacity.
The method you use to charge a depleted battery to the specified value governed by the phone which disables turbo charge, the increased heat "may" reduce its lifespan.
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Thanks for the clear response do you happen to know if there is any adverse effect from using a slower charger designed for a smaller battery (like the Nexus 4 charger I am currently using)? I wouldn't have thought so but you never know...
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no it wont. it may just take longer if it cant meet the phones standard charging needs. it would actually be worse for the charger than the battery if it couldnt.
i generally charge mine from an outlet strip with usb charging built in i got off amazon.
a common misconception about chargers is bigger is better. thats generally not the case.
for instance, a charger can state an output of 3a. all that means is the charger "can" output 3a, not that it pushes 3a to the device, because thats simply not how it works.
the device will draw what it needs of that 3a capability. it may be anywhere from 0 to 3a. there is charging circuitry in all devices that controls how much charging power the battery is allowed to have. if you give it less than what it wants, the battery will just charge slower.
hope that helps.
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blyndfyre said:
While I agree that all electronic components lifespan is reduced by excessive heat, I don't think that answers the question fully.
Regardless of the charging method employed (standard or turbo) you will not reduce battery lifespan by remaining connected to the charger at 100% capacity.
The method you use to charge a depleted battery to the specified value governed by the phone which disables turbo charge, the increased heat "may" reduce its lifespan.
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actually, reaming connected to any charger while at 100% is not recommended.
the last 5% or so is the worst state for the battery, as is basically tries to cram the last bits of juice in there. when you stay connected, its repeatedly topping off, which is repeating the added stress of getting the last bits of juice in.
im sure i didnt do the best job of explaining that. if you have some free time google "battery university". there is some very good info on there about what im saying, and about li batteries in general.
bweN diorD said:
actually, reaming connected to any charger while at 100% is not recommended.
the last 5% or so is the worst state for the battery, as is basically tries to cram the last bits of juice in there. when you stay connected, its repeatedly topping off, which is repeating the added stress of getting the last bits of juice in.
im sure i didnt do the best job of explaining that. if you have some free time google "battery university". there is some very good info on there about what im saying, and about li batteries in general.
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Trickle charging is not desirable, topping off isn't bad if the charging method doesn't top off to the threshold voltage (Eg. 4.3V), so I guess without more information on a specific device employing a lithium-Ion battery It's hard to say for sure if remaining connected to the charger causes adverse affects.
If you want to get down to the few days or weeks you'll save on the lifespan of your battery you might as well turn it off during each charging cycle to avoid parasitc load, as this can degrade lifespan more than topping off.
I guess it comes down to personal preference overall. Do you want/need the convenience of leaving your device always on (minus occasional reboot) and you prefer starting off with a full capacity battery each day? Or do you prefer your battery will enjoy it's entire intended lifespan? Me personally I choose the former since I don't like to miss calls or notifications while charging and I don't keep a smartphone much longer than a year anyways.
In this thread I read several good suggestions about charging.
But don't forget discharging. Charging, turbocharging and also discharging will shorten the battery life.
Actually, when laptops first came out, if you overcharged them, the battery would explode! :laugh: Luckily engineers designed a way that Lithium Ion batteries dont do this anymore!
charging past 100% will not damage your battery. ive been doing it for the past 10 years. at one point, it would damage the battery, very sightly, over long periods of time. but in todays times, it won't damage it. first off, 100% isnt when it stops charging. it stops charging once it reaches a certain voltage, which is ysually after you reach 100%. yes, even though its plugged in, it will stop charging. and then will charge again, after some voltage leaves it. it will not take in an extra charge. once its done charging, its done, and will not charge more.
NLBeev said:
The turbo is not always on. The M-charger switches to standard when the battery is > 78% charged. So at night your 6 battery is not permanently charged with turbo
The N6-bat has a high capacity of 3400mA/h and suitable for turbocharging.
I use the M-charger with a cheap qi-pad for wireless charging at night. When connected to the Qi-pad the M-charger acts like a standard charger.
When needed I connect the M-charger directly to the phone.
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+1 I do the same with my M-charge, my qi charge turns off when the phone reaches 100. It doesn't drain that much when it is done charging usually it's still at 100. Before I got root and greenify, it would drain to a max of 4% by the time I woke up.
Im planning to use a 18W charger to lessen the heat from the phone and to increase the life of the battery from using the 33W brick. Is it okay to use a different charger brick?
yes, I got this phone less than a week ago and charged it two or three times, and didn't use original charger yet, so no worries, it'll work ok
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Im planning to use a 18W charger to lessen the heat from the phone and to increase the life of the battery from using the 33W brick. Is it okay to use a different charger brick?
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Same here. I also use other charger and did not use 33 w charger yet. It charges fine without issues but a bit slower. It is up to you to decide to use 33 w or lesser w charger.
It won't effect anything except if you want fast charging.
If you can software disable fast charging it doesn't matter which brick you use.
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It won't effect anything except if you want fast charging.
If you can software disable fast charging it doesn't matter which brick you use.
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really? how? afaik there's no such setting in miui
william tanaya said:
really? how? afaik there's no such setting in miui
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Too bad. Not familiar with that brand at all.
Usually it's getting fast charging to work rather than the inverse.
I think I would rather have your dilemma.
My phone doesn't charge with 33W even with original charger,
So many users also complaining the same that it isn't charging fast enough
I use "battery charge limit" magisk module to limit charge limit
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You can use accubattery app to set alarm at specific battery charge limit
I use zmi charger 18w with pixel rom. Still recognized as fast charging!
crazyguyrohan said:
My phone doesn't charge with 33W even with original charger,
So many users also complaining the same that it isn't charging fast enough
I use "battery charge limit" magisk module to limit charge limit
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You can use accubattery app to set alarm at specific battery charge limit
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Make sure the battery temp is at least 82°F before you start charging. I get best results with a start temperature of 85-95 F.
Keep the temperature under 100F while charging. Use cooling if needed. Fast charging will warm up the phone fast especially in high ambient temperatures... if will need cooling. A fan and/or damp microfiber cloth helps. Keep it of direct sunlight
Keep the screen off when charging as it will completely skew the charge curve.
A quick 2 second look doesn't seem to hurt though. Likewise I use bt and Poweramp to listen to music while charging with no perceivable impact on my Note 10+.
Play with it and see how it behaves...
Would a 10w charger also work?
suv1734 said:
Would a 10w charger also work?
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As long as the screen is off it should.