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Turbo Charger on Overnight?

I always charge my phones overnight when I go to bed. Not that it takes that long for a battery to charge, it's just when it's convenient. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who does this.
My question is if the Turbo Charger that comes with the phone will hurt the battery long term if I keep it plugged in all night. Or is is smart enough to shut off and/or lower it's power draw from the wall. I know a lot of people have hypothesized that the battery will have a shorter life cycle with the abuse the Turbo Charger will deliver time and time again.

Can't answer your question specifically, but read where the phone fast charges up until a certain percentage is left. I'm thinking that it fast charges up to 75 or 80%, then reverts to the regular slow charge.
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Kayak83 said:
I always charge my phones overnight when I go to bed. Not that it takes that long for a battery to charge, it's just when it's convenient. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who does this.
My question is if the Turbo Charger that comes with the phone will hurt the battery long term if I keep it plugged in all night. Or is is smart enough to shut off and/or lower it's power draw from the wall. I know a lot of people have hypothesized that the battery will have a shorter life cycle with the abuse the Turbo Charger will deliver time and time again.
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Going forward, a huge number of phones are going to support Snapdragons Quick charge technology, the turbo is not the first nor will it be the last that will have this feature. I am no expert on this, but I HIGHLY doubt that Moto (and all of the other companies that will be supporting this technology) would package a charger with a phone and advertise this feature if it has the possibility of damaging the battery.
I plug my phone in every night like you, personally I am not going to worry about it. I think a lot of people charge their phones when they go to bed as well, I have to imagine the engineers thought this one through.

Manjews said:
Going forward, a huge number of phones are going to support Snapdragons Quick charge technology, the turbo is not the first nor will it be the last that will have this feature. I am no expert on this, but I HIGHLY doubt that Moto (and all of the other companies that will be supporting this technology) would package a charger with a phone and advertise this feature if it has the possibility of damaging the battery.
I plug my phone in every night like you, personally I am not going to worry about it. I think a lot of people charge their phones when they go to bed as well, I have to imagine the engineers thought this one through.
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Kayak83 said:
I always charge my phones overnight when I go to bed. Not that it takes that long for a battery to charge, it's just when it's convenient. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who does this.
My question is if the Turbo Charger that comes with the phone will hurt the battery long term if I keep it plugged in all night. Or is is smart enough to shut off and/or lower it's power draw from the wall. I know a lot of people have hypothesized that the battery will have a shorter life cycle with the abuse the Turbo Charger will deliver time and time again.
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I'm agree in the part that I highly doubt that companies put harmful accessories with their products, it won't make any sense.
frankeegee said:
Can't answer your question specifically, but read where the phone fast charges up until a certain percentage is left. I'm thinking that it fast charges up to 75 or 80%, then reverts to the regular slow charge.
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I noted that the phone gets real hot when charging until 80%, and then it starts to cool down, maybe is because of what you said.

I plan on using a regular charger for overnight, and keep my turbo charger at work for my long shifts. Just in case.
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I have been using the turbo charger daily since the release. I too have my phone charge overnight with it and haven't encountered any negative effects or problems at all. The phone cools down for me after 60%. This cpu and charger are intelligent in handling the voltage and what not to not harm battery. If it was harmful then qualcomm wouldn't be inputing so much research and tests to have a stable version of quick charge. Keep that in mind too

Been using quick charging for 6 months including plugging in overnight while breaking every rule about charging batteries with no noticeable losses. As stated quick charging only goes at full speed during the first part of the charge, 70 percent is often mentioned. In practice the full charge phase is dependent on battery temp which is monitored per cell and other factors. I recall reading that such charging has a theoretical perfect world capability of charging 1amp in 6 minutes and we are nowhere near that. There is a lot of research and testing in quicker charging methodology and it has been in use in other areas for several years, I'm thinking there isn't much to be concerned over in any aspect of it.
Edit, just an FYI... My Oppo charger works on the Maxx and the Maxx charger works on the Find 7, I get full speed with either charger on either device. I have one of the Verizon car quick chargers and I can confirm it also works on both devices and charges full speed. Nice to know we can do some mix and match on these.

Does Adaptive Fast Charging Come Pre-Enabled on the Note 4?

Was wondering, Does Adaptive Fast Charging Come Pre-Enabled on the Note 4? Or do we have to go to the Battery Settings first to enable it?

arjun90 said:
Was wondering, Does Adaptive Fast Charging Come Pre-Enabled on the Note 4? Or do we have to go to the Battery Settings first to enable it?
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When I got mine, it was enabled already.

Oh, if your fast charge your battery once, does it reduce your battery's lifespan in the long run, or does it need to be fast recharged several times for a notable difference?
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When I got mine, it was enabled already.
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arjun90 said:
Oh, if your fast charge your battery once, does it reduce your battery's lifespan in the long run, or does it need to be fast recharged several times for a notable difference?
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As a general rule, the faster you charge the battery, the hotter it gets. The hotter it gets, the more quickly it will degrade. I still use my S3 charger to charge the Note 4 overnight.
Does it really make a noticeable difference? From what I've read, probably not. But I don't think there's been much objective testing. Just using fast charging once is highly unlikely to affect it in noticeable ways at all.

If you've charged the battery once using the fast-charging method, is that going to impact the lifespan of the battery? Or does it take multiple fast-charges for the battery to begin to loose its charge?
Nowadays I use the regular 2amp Samsung charger that came with my Wireless Charger.
Noxious Ninja said:
As a general rule, the faster you charge the battery, the hotter it gets. The hotter it gets, the more quickly it will degrade. I still use my S3 charger to charge the Note 4 overnight.
Does it really make a noticeable difference? From what I've read, probably not. But I don't think there's been much objective testing.
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arjun90 said:
If you've charged the battery once using the fast-charging method, is that going to impact the lifespan of the battery? Or does it take multiple fast-charge for the battery to begin to loose its charge?
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I edited that in right after I posted, but I guess you beat me to it. As far as I can tell, it's a gradual process. Unless the phone seriously overheated during the one charge, it shouldn't have much effect at all.

Thanks, looks like I don't another one of the Fast Adaptive Chargers after all, haha.
Noxious Ninja said:
I edited that in right after I posted, but I guess you beat me to it. As far as I can tell, it's a gradual process. Unless the phone seriously overheated during the one charge, it shouldn't have much effect at all.
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Honestly I'm not sure if it diminishes battery.
I have to take it off because I'm using a Zerolemon battery and it doesn't charge all the way up unless the fast charging is off.

The adaptive charging is built in as long as you're using the included charger. It charges at a higher voltage so it's not as damaging as say, a 3 amp charger would be, but it takes many many fast charges to affect the battery's performance. Generally speaking though, the faster you charge the more capacity you lose over time, but the worst thing you can do is charge it &leave it plugged in for hours fully charged. I use an old Bluetooth charger that's 500mah when i charge overnight & the fast charger at work or in the living room.

normal charger

Hello
Bit of random one but can I charge my nexus 6 with a normal charger say my old Samsung s4 charger?
Don't want to damage my battery or phone but can't see why it would but would rather check.
I'm guessing it will just take longer to charge?
Cheers lee

leekeene said:
Hello
Bit of random one but can I charge my nexus 6 with a normal charger say my old Samsung s4 charger?
Don't want to damage my battery or phone but can't see why it would but would rather check.
I'm guessing it will just take longer to charge?
Cheers lee
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sure, you can use any compatible charger. but to warn you, most normal phone chargers will just take MUCH longer to charge the n6.

Yea no worries on the time. Thinking slower charge over night might be better than leaving it plugged in fully charged for longer. Plus I'm a believer about running battery flat for the first few charges and only have a normal charger at work which is when it will run out next lol

leekeene said:
Yea no worries on the time. Thinking slower charge over night might be better than leaving it plugged in fully charged for longer. Plus I'm a believer about running battery flat for the first few charges and only have a normal charger at work which is when it will run out next lol
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1) You *cannot* run the battery flat. The battery chip WILL shut you down when the voltage drops below a certain threshold.
2) Li-ion batteries DO NOT do well with being deep cycled. The lower you let it drop, the shorter the battery life. This is one of the reasons why they shut you down before it goes flat.
3) The battery has to have a minimum voltage in order to power the circuit that controls charging. Yes, if the battery level drops too low, YOU CAN'T EVEN RECHARGE IT.
It is better for the battery to charge slowly, and to top up frequently.

Will charging past 100% harm my battery?

Hi guys, I just bought the TurboPower charger from motorola since my (refurbished) N6 came with only a usb cable. I am very happy with the blazing fast charge speeds but was wondering if continuing to charge the phone after it reaches 100% battery might have any adverse effect on the battery's health or lifespan? A quick google search revealed little consensus so I'm hoping for an expert to chime in on here.
I tend to charge my phone overnight while I sleep, so with the new charger this means several hours of charging at 100% battery, and naturally the phone gets reasonably warm when undergoing such rapid charging, so I'd like to make sure I'm not causing long-term damage! (especially given that I'm not going anywhere near the Huawei N6 if it really has that hideous raised black bar on the back for the camera :/ )
If indeed this is bad for the battery - would using my (slower charging) old Nexus 4 charger overnight be any better? Or is it a bad idea to mix chargers from different phones? Generally this is a question I've always wondered about actually so it'd be good to finally find out.
Here are the charger's output specs from the motorola page in case that's relevant:
Output
Standard: 5V / 1.67A (8W)
TurboPower: 9V / 1.67A (15W)
TurboPower: 12V / 1.2A (15W)

No. use the normal charger for overnight and turbo charger on the go. or outside.
Cloud White Nexus 6!

XDAcube said:
No. use the normal charger for overnight and turbo charger on the go. or outside.
Cloud White Nexus 6
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"No" as in "no it won't harm my battery to charge past 100%"? If so then why bother with the old charger at all? Sorry if I've misunderstood your answer.

christensen6 said:
"No" as in "no it won't harm my battery to charge past 100%"? If so then why bother with the old charger at all? Sorry if I've misunderstood your answer.
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I ment it as yes it degrades battery life overnight to turbo charge.

christensen6 said:
If indeed this is bad for the battery
Output
Standard: 5V / 1.67A (8W)
TurboPower: 9V / 1.67A (15W)
TurboPower: 12V / 1.2A (15W)
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The turbo is not always on. The M-charger switches to standard when the battery is > 78% charged. So at night your 6 battery is not permanently charged with turbo
The N6-bat has a high capacity of 3400mA/h and suitable for turbocharging.
I use the M-charger with a cheap qi-pad for wireless charging at night. When connected to the Qi-pad the M-charger acts like a standard charger.
When needed I connect the M-charger directly to the phone.

christensen6 said:
"No" as in "no it won't harm my battery to charge past 100%"? If so then why bother with the old charger at all? Sorry if I've misunderstood your answer.
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the previous answers are both correct within a certain context.
all batteries have degradation from charging, although constantly subjecting it to the excessive heat of turbo charging will speed this up.
maybe it will take a year or 18mos before you realize the charge isnt lasting as long as it used to, maybe less. its a guess really.
the point is, dont subject it to turbo charging unless you really need that option. it is the best way to maximize the life span of your battery.

bweN diorD said:
the previous answers are both correct within a certain context.
all batteries have degradation from charging, although constantly subjecting it to the excessive heat of turbo charging will speed this up.
maybe it will take a year or 18mos before you realize the charge isnt lasting as long as it used to, maybe less. its a guess really.
the point is, dont subject it to turbo charging unless you really need that option. it is the best way to maximize the life span of your battery.
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Thanks for the clear response do you happen to know if there is any adverse effect from using a slower charger designed for a smaller battery (like the Nexus 4 charger I am currently using)? I wouldn't have thought so but you never know...

bweN diorD said:
the previous answers are both correct within a certain context.
all batteries have degradation from charging, although constantly subjecting it to the excessive heat of turbo charging will speed this up.
maybe it will take a year or 18mos before you realize the charge isnt lasting as long as it used to, maybe less. its a guess really.
the point is, dont subject it to turbo charging unless you really need that option. it is the best way to maximize the life span of your battery.
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While I agree that all electronic components lifespan is reduced by excessive heat, I don't think that answers the question fully.
Regardless of the charging method employed (standard or turbo) you will not reduce battery lifespan by remaining connected to the charger at 100% capacity.
The method you use to charge a depleted battery to the specified value governed by the phone which disables turbo charge, the increased heat "may" reduce its lifespan.

christensen6 said:
Thanks for the clear response do you happen to know if there is any adverse effect from using a slower charger designed for a smaller battery (like the Nexus 4 charger I am currently using)? I wouldn't have thought so but you never know...
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no it wont. it may just take longer if it cant meet the phones standard charging needs. it would actually be worse for the charger than the battery if it couldnt.
i generally charge mine from an outlet strip with usb charging built in i got off amazon.
a common misconception about chargers is bigger is better. thats generally not the case.
for instance, a charger can state an output of 3a. all that means is the charger "can" output 3a, not that it pushes 3a to the device, because thats simply not how it works.
the device will draw what it needs of that 3a capability. it may be anywhere from 0 to 3a. there is charging circuitry in all devices that controls how much charging power the battery is allowed to have. if you give it less than what it wants, the battery will just charge slower.
hope that helps.
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blyndfyre said:
While I agree that all electronic components lifespan is reduced by excessive heat, I don't think that answers the question fully.
Regardless of the charging method employed (standard or turbo) you will not reduce battery lifespan by remaining connected to the charger at 100% capacity.
The method you use to charge a depleted battery to the specified value governed by the phone which disables turbo charge, the increased heat "may" reduce its lifespan.
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actually, reaming connected to any charger while at 100% is not recommended.
the last 5% or so is the worst state for the battery, as is basically tries to cram the last bits of juice in there. when you stay connected, its repeatedly topping off, which is repeating the added stress of getting the last bits of juice in.
im sure i didnt do the best job of explaining that. if you have some free time google "battery university". there is some very good info on there about what im saying, and about li batteries in general.

bweN diorD said:
actually, reaming connected to any charger while at 100% is not recommended.
the last 5% or so is the worst state for the battery, as is basically tries to cram the last bits of juice in there. when you stay connected, its repeatedly topping off, which is repeating the added stress of getting the last bits of juice in.
im sure i didnt do the best job of explaining that. if you have some free time google "battery university". there is some very good info on there about what im saying, and about li batteries in general.
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Trickle charging is not desirable, topping off isn't bad if the charging method doesn't top off to the threshold voltage (Eg. 4.3V), so I guess without more information on a specific device employing a lithium-Ion battery It's hard to say for sure if remaining connected to the charger causes adverse affects.
If you want to get down to the few days or weeks you'll save on the lifespan of your battery you might as well turn it off during each charging cycle to avoid parasitc load, as this can degrade lifespan more than topping off.
I guess it comes down to personal preference overall. Do you want/need the convenience of leaving your device always on (minus occasional reboot) and you prefer starting off with a full capacity battery each day? Or do you prefer your battery will enjoy it's entire intended lifespan? Me personally I choose the former since I don't like to miss calls or notifications while charging and I don't keep a smartphone much longer than a year anyways.

In this thread I read several good suggestions about charging.
But don't forget discharging. Charging, turbocharging and also discharging will shorten the battery life.

Actually, when laptops first came out, if you overcharged them, the battery would explode! :laugh: Luckily engineers designed a way that Lithium Ion batteries dont do this anymore!

charging past 100% will not damage your battery. ive been doing it for the past 10 years. at one point, it would damage the battery, very sightly, over long periods of time. but in todays times, it won't damage it. first off, 100% isnt when it stops charging. it stops charging once it reaches a certain voltage, which is ysually after you reach 100%. yes, even though its plugged in, it will stop charging. and then will charge again, after some voltage leaves it. it will not take in an extra charge. once its done charging, its done, and will not charge more.

NLBeev said:
The turbo is not always on. The M-charger switches to standard when the battery is > 78% charged. So at night your 6 battery is not permanently charged with turbo
The N6-bat has a high capacity of 3400mA/h and suitable for turbocharging.
I use the M-charger with a cheap qi-pad for wireless charging at night. When connected to the Qi-pad the M-charger acts like a standard charger.
When needed I connect the M-charger directly to the phone.
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+1 I do the same with my M-charge, my qi charge turns off when the phone reaches 100. It doesn't drain that much when it is done charging usually it's still at 100. Before I got root and greenify, it would drain to a max of 4% by the time I woke up.

Question Different charging patterns

If i use the official fast charger .....charge up to 100% the next day I barely get 16 hrs and 3 hrs screen time..wireless charge slowly and I get 30 percent more .
Anyone else see a difference??
Uk unlocked s21u for reference.

You sure there are no other factors involved?: types of apps you ran, heat, etc.

mattlcfc said:
If i use the official fast charger .....charge up to 100% the next day I barely get 16 hrs and 3 hrs screen time..wireless charge slowly and I get 30 percent more .
Anyone else see a difference??
Uk unlocked s21u for reference.
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That sounds interesting! Would love to look into this a little deeper.
Could you describe this in a little more detail please? Like when do you start charging, how long it takes with each method, what your usage pattern is like, and what you mean by 30% more (SOT, Standgy, or literal battery percentage remaining)? And any relevant screeenshots would be much appreciated.

Fast charging will not engage if the temperature is too low. It will remain disengaged for that charge cycle.
Charging is an electrochemical reaction that needs a certain temperature range to function properly.
Minimum start temp is 72°F but 82-90F is optimal.
Anything below 72F brings the risk of Li plating which will permanently degrade the cell.
Charging will also shutdown if the battery temperature goes too high.

blackhawk said:
Fast charging will not engage if the temperature is too low. It will remain disengaged for that charge cycle.
Charging is an electrochemical reaction that needs a certain temperature range to function properly.
Minimum start temp is 72°F but 82-90F is optimal.
Anything below 72F brings the risk of Li plating which will permanently degrade the cell.
Charging will also shutdown if the battery temperature goes too high.
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I don't think OP is talking about speed of charging. We're trying to discuss battery life with different speeds of charging.

enigmaamit said:
I don't think OP is talking about speed of charging. We're trying to discuss battery life with different speeds of charging.
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It should be near identical.
Android battery capacity sensing always left something to be desired.
Battery temperatures should be made the same when comparing.
Try comparing battery voltages rather than indicated %

blackhawk said:
It should be near identical.
Android battery capacity sensing always left something to be desired.
Battery temperatures should be made the same when comparing.
Try comparing battery voltages rather than indicated %
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That is why we're waiting for more information about his experience before coming to any conclusions.

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That is why we're waiting for more information about his experience before coming to any conclusions.
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Depending on how fast the battery is charging it may shutdown at a lower charge level to avoid overshooting the correct shutdown voltage.
Samsung is said to be very conservative with their charge curves... I wonder why
Samsung should be using graphene batteries by now. Instead of throwing all their resources at the Folds, which never have sold well, they neglect their bread winners. I just reamed them out over that today

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I just reamed them out over that today
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You called them and asked them to switch to Graphene batteries?

nixnixnixnix4 said:
You called them and asked them to switch to Graphene batteries?
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Said they should be using them already, among other things. Before the 10+ was released there was speculation that it might have a Graphene cell, lol.
I was barely aware of this technology until a few days ago... it be cool and it's in use.

blackhawk said:
Said they should be using them already, among other things. Before the 10+ was released there was speculation that it might have a Graphene cell, lol.
I was barely aware of this technology until a few days ago... it be cool and it's in use.
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Other than power banks, who is using them in their phones?

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Other than power banks, who is using them in their phones?
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Xiaomi tells us about graphene batteries and the great challenge posed by the Mi 10 Ultra
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30% more seems to be a huge claim .
5%-10% could have been a margin or error.

I'll have to do some tracking and get some screen shots . I normally wireless charge overnight and it says 100 % every morning and I use 70 % battery on average . But 1 day a week I have to charge using the lead . I only have the "super fast" charger and lead and the next day the battery is always worse by quite a way . Dead by 19:00 hrs. Similar usage most days . Its as if on fast charge it says 100 % but is way down.
As said I'll do some more investigation.

mattlcfc said:
I'll have to do some tracking and get some screen shots . I normally wireless charge overnight and it says 100 % every morning and I use 70 % battery on average . But 1 day a week I have to charge using the lead . I only have the "super fast" charger and lead and the next day the battery is always worse by quite a way . Dead by 19:00 hrs. Similar usage most days . Its as if on fast charge it says 100 % but is way down.
As said I'll do some more investigation.
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You know that you can toggle OFF fast-charging and super-fast-charging in the battery settings right?
Try that.

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Xiaomi tells us about graphene batteries and the great challenge posed by the Mi 10 Ultra
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Samsung better listen then.
These batteries should last us 4 years easily. Anything less than that is a rip off.

nixnixnixnix4 said:
Samsung better listen then.
These batteries should last us 4 years easily. Anything less than that is a rip off.
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With heavy usage the Li's are good for 1-2 years. Maybe better in a temp controlled environment.
I stream a lot and that's hard on the battery which is why I now say... live and let die

It's typical for batteries to last longer the slower they're charged. If you're using fast charging when plugged in, you'll see a decrease in the amount of charge that is held throughout the day, compared to wireless charging which is quite a bit slower.

mattlcfc said:
If i use the official fast charger .....charge up to 100% the next day I barely get 16 hrs and 3 hrs screen time..wireless charge slowly and I get 30 percent more .
Anyone else see a difference??
Uk unlocked s21u for reference.
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Are you sure there aren't any other elements at play? Examples include the applications you used, the temperature, and so on.

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It's typical for batteries to last longer the slower they're charged. If you're using fast charging when plugged in, you'll see a decrease in the amount of charge that is held throughout the day, compared to wireless charging which is quite a bit slower.
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So you're saying if one battery is slow, one is fast charged, both to 3.2 volts, the slow charged one will yield mAhs.
Unless the battery is degraded I have my doubts that it be a significant difference.