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Ok, I've browsed everywhere and can't get a straight shooter answer. To unlock the SIM in the Droid3 Global, what is the method behind this. I know the steps to do with the unlock code. I know the multitude of companies that provide the codes, and I know Verizons requirements for obtaining the code from them.
My question is, is the code stored somewhere within the phone? Is there an algorithm thats used to determine the code? Can CDMA WorkShop (newer paid 3.xx version) be used to force unlock or decipher the code? Nobody seems willing to give this information. Everyone appears to be out to make a dollar. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Thank you
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Sorry this doesn't answer your questions but you can get free unlock codes on Crackberry:
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http://forums.crackberry.com/unlock...free-unlock-code-mobilephoneunlockers-514098/
queberican351 said:
Ok, I've browsed everywhere and can't get a straight shooter answer. To unlock the SIM in the Droid3 Global, what is the method behind this. I know the steps to do with the unlock code. I know the multitude of companies that provide the codes, and I know Verizons requirements for obtaining the code from them.
My question is, is the code stored somewhere within the phone? Is there an algorithm thats used to determine the code? Can CDMA WorkShop (newer paid 3.xx version) be used to force unlock or decipher the code? Nobody seems willing to give this information. Everyone appears to be out to make a dollar. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Thank you
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From what I've read/researched, Motorola doesn't allocate SIM Unlock/Subsidy unlock codes based on some algorithm that uses your IMEI. Which is why there isn't a program to automatically generate codes.
Apparently it is in fact based on the meid and possibly chip set programming considering the d2 global (some) got an ota update to circumvent remote unlocking. I'd like to know the program or method used by these companies for this. I work on a LoT of phones for friends and would love to avoid having to process a payment every time I need one of these unlocked. But it appears that the cellular community holds this information hostage as I've done relentless searching and have gotten nowhere. I've attempted with Radiocomm, cdma workshop 3.8, DFS cdma tools, qpst, and a few others with no success
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Guys I just had a friend who for a Verizon Droid 3 from The US... It was locked but had it unlocked here in my country via some "code" he bought... saying it is working perfect now unlocked...
Does it work that way or not... cuz seems the Verizon phones have lots of issues when it comes to.unlocking...
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There are people making their living doing what you are doing for free, of course they're not going to tell you how they do it
My understanding is that the code was stored somewhere on the radio chip. Not sure about the security method, it might be just some MD5 encoding plus some seed (salt if you understand PHP).
Ummm... So that means...??
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I have another D3 I use purely for playing and testing with. I'll try a couple different things on it and post my findings in this thread. Also really glad to see that the D3 radio has been hacked for US bands....awesome work!
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Can we just call up Verizon's Global support and ask for the unlock code? I heard that they give out the code once every 10 months/per line/per customer.
Essentially yes, that's an option. However, most of the time when I'm looking to unlock a droid2 or D3 global its because its not currently under contract or the contract payment is past due, hence needing to circumvent this and obtain the code remotely so that it can be moved to another carrier.
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Obviously, having their phone unlocked is a commodity to them, since it has some stringent requirements. I'd try to make some friends who will activate the phone temporarily on their account for a small fee, so that it can be unlocked legitimately. Offering a little money to people you know for what should seem to them a small favor isn't unreasonable for this kind of help.
Personally, I wouldn't trust the unlock codes or programs because I want to make sure my phone keeps working for the long haul. Also, it would suck to pay for an unlock code/method and have it not even work.
Good luck on your endeavors though! Would be awesome to get a workaround, since we shouldn't really have to ask to use our phones on any network, IMO.
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Thanks for the research and really hope for a solution, I bought a D3 since september, for full price and clean ESN, BUT since I am outside USA, and NOT a Verizon customer by now my D3 is still a paperweight on my desk... :-(
By today I tested with 7 different Unlock codes sellers, two Tursims (one that came in Orange color package succesfully Unlocks D3 and I was able to make calls with my sim, BUT just at the moment that the D3 change from the Cell Antenna where was activated with the Turbosim inside to another cell antenna tower, it lost signal and must be need to Restart the sim on another phone for get the sim to register again in the network.
thanks for your interest and best regards on the research.
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Obviously, having their phone unlocked is a commodity to them, since it has some stringent requirements. I'd try to make some friends who will activate the phone temporarily on their account for a small fee, so that it can be unlocked legitimately. Offering a little money to people you know for what should seem to them a small favor isn't unreasonable for this kind of help.
Personally, I wouldn't trust the unlock codes or programs because I want to make sure my phone keeps working for the long haul. Also, it would suck to pay for an unlock code/method and have it not even work.
Good luck on your endeavors though! Would be awesome to get a workaround, since we shouldn't really have to ask to use our phones on any network, IMO.
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there are some companies that have a great reputation with this. one is a canadian site but i cant remember the name, its in another thread in this forum though... and locking makes perfect sense as verizon sells you the phone alot cheaper than it actually is, if you want it unlocked then its about 500 dollars. coming from europe and buying most my phones unlocked, its alot better buying under contract. although i do wish it was a 1year contract isntead
They get plenty of money back from the customer to make up for the subsidy. This is done through expensive data and text fees, among others. My opinion is that they chose the business model of offering the subsidized phones because it makes them more money in the long term and gets more customers to buy sooner. I don't begrudge them their business model choice, but I don't think the phones should be too hard to unlock since we still have to pay an early termination fee starting at $350 or pay the fees over the term of the contract. Either way, even if you use the phone on another network, they still get plenty of money from us when we buy the phone. So why not make it easier for international buyers and people who have accounts on other networks too? Frankly, it's just a matter of control.
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Their business model makes perfect sense. The 10months is to show you are a dedicated consumer. otherwise you could purchase the 200dollars for the phone and then straight cancel the contract. Then they would lose money everywhere. Im all for getting everything free with techonology, I think everything should be open source and stuff like that. But their business plans with unlocking make perfect sense. They would go bankrupt without it. I do think their data plans and all that or definitely over priced. I agree with you their. But their plans alone cant pay to run their Giant corporation and pay salaries, and run the stores and all that. thats a big bill... But after this i wont respond in this thread about this topic atleast. Itll be hijacking lmao. but i do love intelligent conversation so if you want we can PM and discuss it.
I guess people don't understand my point. Verizon's fees (both monthly fees and early termination fees) make up a great deal of profits for their corporation, and I don't feel sorry for them for any reason. Me unlocking my D3 and using it on T-Mobile (when I keep the line I unlocked it on open for my dad's phone) doesn't cost Verizon anything. They don't need "dedicated customers" because they charge you $350 if you leave early, which is plenty on top of whatever you paid for the phone up front. The only way they lose money is if you fail to keep your line open, pay that ETF fee, and let the charge go to collections, after which point the collections agency will pay VZW usually no more than half of your bill. This is because they will most likely not get money back from the consumer, so they can't recover 100% of the lost funds; this is how collection agencies work in the US, in case you didn't know. And this is how carriers in the US get lots of profits from their customers, regardless of which carrier you switch to. I'm not suggesting someone should break their contract or skip their bills or the ETF, but that is the only way a carrier loses money on the cost of the phone, which is why they subsidize it. They make more in higher plan rates over time than foreign carriers make by charging the cost of the phone up front.
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Lmao ok. PM it buddy
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I think it's clear enough already
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Before one buys a used atrix hd off the bay, how does he make sure the imei had not been blacklisted by at&t? Especially if he lives overseas and has no way of trying out an at&t sim for a few weeks before he visits the US?
I understand atrix hd is also offered on contract. So what is stopping from someone taking it on the contract for cheap and buy a code from ebay and unlock the phone. Missed payments could make at&t blacklist the phone right?
I guess one way to avoid buying a stolen phone is to insist on the box with the sale, but how does one protect oneself about the above possibility?
AT&T employee here. Phones being blacklisted due to missed payments is usually only a CDMA thing, and AT&T just blacklist if reported stolen. Blacklisting is becoming more and more of an issue, so it is something to keep in mind when buying used from individuals. I would recommend getting them to provide you with the IMEI then call AT&T customer service 1-800-331-0500 to check it to see if it's clear.
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AT&T employee here. Phones being blacklisted due to missed payments is usually only a CDMA thing, and AT&T just blacklist if reported stolen. Blacklisting is becoming more and more of an issue, so it is something to keep in mind when buying used from individuals. I would recommend getting them to provide you with the IMEI then call AT&T customer service 1-800-331-0500 to check it to see if it's clear.
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Thanks. I just called them. They told me that they do not keep a list like that! I'll send you a PM about it.
Blue Bell said:
Thanks. I just called them. They told me that they do not keep a list like that! I'll send you a PM about it.
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Try and buy from a good seller also. Look for "good imei" or something like that. As long as it is listed as good, eBay will protect you investment, aka refund you if you get the shaft lol
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Try and buy from a good seller also. Look for "good imei" or something like that. As long as it is listed as good, eBay will protect you investment, aka refund you if you get the shaft lol
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Exactly. Ebay is all for protecting buyers, and unfortunately not sellers.
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If you want a good site with good imei then try swappa. Com I have purchased several android phones there and never had a problem, and the site checks the imei for u before u purchase the phone.
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Didn't know Swappa did that. Good piece of information.
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Didn't know Swappa did that. Good piece of information.
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they just implimented a beta service today
Check out Swappa's new ESN Check (Beta) service. Validate with carriers to ensure ESN is clean for activation. swappa.com/esn
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glad to help,i just bought an s3 like new for 390.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but ESN checking would only work for CDMA phones right?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but ESN checking would only work for CDMA phones right?
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yes that is correct ESN is just for cdma phones but swappa check's IMEI as well just thought id throw that lil bit of info out there if anyone was interested.
when ever i have sold a phone on swappa the first thing i have to do is give swappa the IMEI so they can confirm if it is good.
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Try and buy from a good seller also. Look for "good imei" or something like that. As long as it is listed as good, eBay will protect you investment, aka refund you if you get the shaft lol
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Unfortunately though, I live overseas, and I wouldn't be able to check if it works on AT&T until I try their sim in a month or two! Hence the pickle.
Swappa recognized the IMEI as the correct device but could not validate the status. Is CheckMEND a reliable solution?
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AT&T employee here. Phones being blacklisted due to missed payments is usually only a CDMA thing, and AT&T just blacklist if reported stolen.
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Another quick clarification on the statement above. So, what happens to GSM phones that are bought on contract at a subsidized price and unlocked via one of the many third party sites online (if it is possible to illegally unlock phones on contract that is)? AT&T does nothing about it and just bears the loss?
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Another quick clarification on the statement above. So, what happens to GSM phones that are bought on contract at a subsidized price and unlocked via one of the many third party sites online (if it is possible to illegally unlock phones on contract that is)? AT&T does nothing about it and just bears the loss?
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if you unlock a gsm phone 90% of the time you can use them with any carrier ,i believe and correct me if im wrong. if you report a phone lost or stolen thats when there is a problem.i have a tmobile phone right now which is working with at&t.so as long as its a gsm phone and you can unlock
it then your good to go.i just bought a s3 off swappa then unlocked with cellunlocker.net for 25 and just popped my sim in and i was good to go.
hope this helps.
I don't get that business model. What is stopping people then from buying phones on contract for $50 and using them on another carrier after unlocking it for $25? Or is the contract obligations so binding in US that people don't ever break their contracts? How does it work there?
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I don't get that business model. What is stopping people then from buying phones on contract for $50 and using them on another carrier after unlocking it for $25? Or is the contract obligations so binding in US that people don't ever break their contracts? How does it work there?
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well to be honest it has to do with credit and your credit line,if you buy a phone with a contract and you break and or dont pay your bill then it will go to collections and that in turn affects your credit as far as getting credit cards or anything for that matter that involves anything having to do with credit,of course some people just dont care but for the majority it is better for them to pay the bill or to pay to get out of the contract as in an early termination fee. hope this helps
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well to be honest it has to do with credit and your credit line,if you buy a phone with a contract and you break and or dont pay your bill then it will go to collections and that in turn affects your credit as far as getting credit cards or anything for that matter that involves anything having to do with credit,of course some people just dont care but for the majority it is better for them to pay the bill or to pay to get out of the contract as in an early termination fee. hope this helps
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Oh okay. So the only worry is if people buy the phones and claim that it had been lost (and the insurance) but sell them off internationally. This way the phone will work everywhere except in US where it will blacklisted.
But then, will insurance and/or the police insist on seeing the box? If so, insisting on getting the phone with the box would technically make sure that the phone is not stolen and/or blacklisted right?
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Oh okay. So the only worry is if people buy the phones and claim that it had been lost (and the insurance) but sell them off internationally. This way the phone will work everywhere except in US where it will blacklisted.
But then, will insurance and/or the police insist on seeing the box? If so, insisting on getting the phone with the box would technically make sure that the phone is not stolen and/or blacklisted right?
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im afraid things work differently over here,not the police or the company really have time or care about a phone.insurance is just that ,if you have it then they will give you another and register the phones imei as bad and will be flagged as bad and will not work with the company you buy it from but if it is a gsm phone more than likely it will work unlocked with other companies ,now having said that if you want a phone that will work with at&t or any other carrier that are gsm then may plz recommend this website, swappa.com i have purchased several phones from them and never had a problem i would recommend buying at&t phone or a tmobile phone and if it is not unlocked then you can unlock the phone at cellunlocker.net which i have used as well and can verify that they give good unlock codes ,within 5 to 10 min,also swappa only deals with paypal so if the phones imei no. for some reason is not right even though they check it before hand and or the phone is not in the condition they said it was you are protected under there buyer protection program which means if need be they can refund your money.
Thanks. I had already been through Swappa. Unfortunately, it seems like most of the sellers do not ship internationally.
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I don't get that business model. What is stopping people then from buying phones on contract for $50 and using them on another carrier after unlocking it for $25? Or is the contract obligations so binding in US that people don't ever break their contracts? How does it work there?
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The way it works with AT&T here is that you may get a $500 phone for $100 with a two year contract, but a stipulation of the contract is a $350 declining early contract termination fee. That way they're covered if you do decide to take it elsewhere. If a phone is blacklisted, it will fry your sim card almost immediately when you try to use it in that phone. Keep in mind, I'm an employee but not speaking on behalf of the company, just trying to be helpful and shed some light on things.
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The way it works with AT&T here is that you may get a $500 phone for $100 with a two year contract, but a stipulation of the contract is a $350 declining early contract termination fee. That way they're covered if you do decide to take it elsewhere. If a phone is blacklisted, it will fry your sim card almost immediately when you try to use it in that phone. Keep in mind, I'm an employee but not speaking on behalf of the company, just trying to be helpful and shed some light on things.
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really did not know that ,thanks for the info
Hi All,
I am curious regarding phones which are being sold for low prices on sites like Ebay labeled as Bad ESN. What i have read so far a Bad ESN phone cannot be used in the same country. Since i live in India, is it possible to use such phones in a different country. Also if yes would it only apply to Global phones or any CDMA Device.
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Hi All,
I am curious regarding phones which are being sold for low prices on sites like Ebay labeled as Bad ESN. What i have read so far a Bad ESN phone cannot be used in the same country. Since i live in India, is it possible to use such phones in a different country. Also if yes would it only apply to Global phones or any CDMA Device.
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The reason a phone likely has a bad ESN is it has been reported as lost or stolen. The US carriers blacklist the phone so it cannot be used. This is also sometimes from when someone skipped out on a ETF fee. Most of the time the phone was at one time sold by someone who didn't have the right to sell it. Sure there's exceptions, but the majority of stolen phones in the US end up overseas for this reason.
I don't know that there is any guarantee that a phone with a bad ESN will work for you. I personally wouldn't trust let along support people selling these devices, but I suppose that's your call.
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The reason a phone likely has a bad ESN is it has been reported as lost or stolen. The US carriers blacklist the phone so it cannot be used. This is also sometimes from when someone skipped out on a ETF fee. Most of the time the phone was at one time sold by someone who didn't have the right to sell it. Sure there's exceptions, but the majority of stolen phones in the US end up overseas for this reason.
I don't know that there is any guarantee that a phone with a bad ESN will work for you. I personally wouldn't trust let along support people selling these devices, but I suppose that's your call.
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Thank you for sharing this information.
I still have one more question, is there a flashing process to use a Moto X with Bad ESN in a different country as i can register a CDMA phone with a CDMA carrier in India.
metal5nake said:
Thank you for sharing this information.
I still have one more question, is there a flashing process to use a Moto X with Bad ESN in a different country as i can register a CDMA phone with a CDMA carrier in India.
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Bad ESN is carrier specific. And is blocked on the carriers end. The phone remains untouched. Example: Verizon moto x gets banned on verizon, but it can still be used on gsm carriers. Assuming the.moto x u buy supports the right frequencies in your area you should be fine.
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Bad ESN is carrier specific. And is blocked on the carriers end. The phone remains untouched. Example: Verizon moto x gets banned on verizon, but it can still be used on gsm carriers. Assuming the.moto x u buy supports the right frequencies in your area you should be fine.
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Supposedly not going to work with the "Big 4" in the US at the least.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/27/5153694/stolen-smartphone-database-is-complete-says-ctia
So the phone will work in countries that don't use this USA blacklist, but I assume Motorola will not allow to unlock the bootloader of a phone with bad ESN?
As a result you won't be able to install updates on your phone? Or am I wrong in this.
To save a few bucks I don't think it's worth it. Also the moral factor...phone probably stolen.
Spend a bit more and get a clean phone.
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Im not 100% sure, but since the Verizon moto is unlocked so even if has a bad esn, you could use it overseas if the bands in india match what bands are supported by the verizon moto x
If the price for a clean phone is too much....get a Moto g....hear great things about it.
Seriously...buying a stolen phone with a bad esn just seems ridiculous.
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Im not 100% sure, but since the Verizon moto is unlocked so even if has a bad esn, you could use it overseas if the bands in india match what bands are supported by the verizon moto x
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I don't think any Moto X has an unlocked bootloader by default. Some providers leave you the choice to unlock trough the motorola website, but I would assume the motorola website won't allow to unlock a bad esn phone?
kj2112, not every bad esn phone is a stolen phone. Switching providers without paying the termination fee, billing issues with provider,... will also lead to a bad esn. I wouldn't mind buying a phone like that for use in another country given the seller has evidence to back up his story.
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I don't think any Moto X has an unlocked bootloader by default. Some providers leave you the choice to unlock trough the motorola website, but I would assume the motorola website won't allow to unlock a bad esn phone?
kj2112, not every bad esn phone is a stolen phone. Switching providers without paying the termination fee, billing issues with provider,... will also lead to a bad esn. I wouldn't mind buying a phone like that for use in another country given the seller has evidence to back up his story.
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Im not talking about the bootloader. Im talking about Sim card. All Verizon 4G LTE phones come factory unlocked so could use them on any gsm carrier if the bands matched. So even if the Carrier blacklisted the phone, its would still work on other carriers
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Im not talking about the bootloader. Im talking about Sim card. All Verizon 4G LTE phones come factory unlocked so could use them on any gsm carrier if the bands matched. So even if the Carrier blacklisted the phone, its would still work on other carriers
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The US carriers started developing a national blacklist in 2012 and was supposed to be fully operational on all four carriers in November 2013.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/us-stolen-phone-database-goes-live/
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The US carriers started developing a national blacklist in 2012 and was supposed to be fully operational on all four carriers in November 2013.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/us-stolen-phone-database-goes-live/
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even if it was blacklisted on all 4 carriers, OP was talking about using the phone overseas which is possible with the Verizon Moto x since it comes factory unlocked
I think buying phones with bad ESNs (blacklisted) should not be allowed in the US (or elsewhere). People get mugged, beaten, stabbed and sometimes killed for smartphones these days because people can still sell these stolen phones on eBay to be used overseas. Some countries are actually running ads on national TV networks calling them "blood phones" since many of them were taken from the owners by physical force. Each time a person knowingly (or unknowingly) buys these phones they are indirectly supporting such type of behavior.
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I think buying phones with bad ESNs (blacklisted) should not be allowed in the US (or elsewhere). People get mugged, beaten, stabbed and sometimes killed for smartphones these days because people can still sell these stolen phones on eBay to be used overseas. Some countries are actually running ads on national TV networks calling them "blood phones" since many of them were taken from the owners by physical force. Each time a person knowingly (or unknowingly) buys these phones they are indirectly supporting such type of behavior.
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I don't know this system in my country, but from my point of view this US system is seriously flawed if they put phones from people who don't pay their termination fee or have some billing issue on the same blacklist as phones that were taken with force by criminals...
If the operators were really serious about stopping phone theft with this blacklist, only true 'blood phones' should be on this list.At the moment it looks more like another opportunity to up their revenue stream rather than provide a service to society.
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I don't know this system in my country, but from my point of view this US system is seriously flawed if they put phones from people who don't pay their termination fee or have some billing issue on the same blacklist as phones that were taken with force by criminals...
If the operators were really serious about stopping phone theft with this blacklist, only true 'blood phones' should be on this list.At the moment it looks more like another opportunity to up their revenue stream rather than provide a service to society.
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So you can walk into a store...get a phone with zero down on a contract...then never pay them a penny and sell the phone? And enjoy your new found riches while you ignore their threatening letters to pay?
Doubt that will happen.
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I'm absolutely not saying it's ok to (try to) rip of your provider, I'm only saying that you can't put these issues on the same level as robbery with or without violence. As long as you mix all these types up, you won't be able to create a legal basis to completely ban the bad ESN phones, as is the case now.
They can and the have.. weather you don't pay your bill or kill 100 people to steal a phone...either way they kill the phone. As they should. LOL
How is that a cash grab for them? They don't want stolen phones used....basically not paying your bill and keeping the phone is stealing too...so bye bye esn.
Anyone risking it and buying one is ridiculous. Pay a bit more for one that will work without question ....or buy a different phone that you can afford.
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Whether the phone is blacklisted due to it being stolen or taken by force(sometimes lethal) or due to not paying your dues - either way those buying phones with bad ESN are indirectly supporting this behavior - which is stealing.
A phone can get a bad ESN if it's reported lost or stolen, as may have said prior. I think it's fine buying a phone with a bad ESN so long as the phone was reported lost by the owner, they somehow found it, and are now selling it. How often does this happen, I can't say for sure. Are most phones being sold with a bad ESN stolen? The chances are high. As far as phones that got a bad ESN because the owner didn't pay their ETF, I guess that's up to the buyer. I personally wouldn't buy one like that.
I have bought a note 4 from Dubai it is N9100C and it is internationaly unlocked. When I tried using it with tmobile in USA they offered me an insurance plan. As you all know insurance company will block the phone if it was reported stolen. But my question is what will happen to my phone if it was reported as stolen? I have already paid it full and it is an international unlocked version.
Would I be able to use it in a different carrier or just internationaly ?
If it's reported lost and or stolen. It's a no go for North America.
Even if I used prepaid ?
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If it's reported lost and or stolen. It's a no go for North America.
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If you read some postings people report that once blacklisted in US it doesnt work with some European providers
Seriously, is your phone stolen or not.
If the phone is unlocked then it technically cant be blacklisted unless it had a previous owner who reported it stolen.
AT&T and T-Mobile share IMEI numbers so if the phone was reported stolen it wont work. And T-mobile doesn't make you buy insurance for your phone, that is a lie.
Your question is suspect and vague.
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Seriously, is your phone stolen or not.
If the phone is unlocked then it technically cant be blacklisted unless it had a previous owner who reported it stolen.
AT&T and T-Mobile share IMEI numbers so if the phone was reported stolen it wont work. And T-mobile doesn't make you buy insurance for your phone, that is a lie.
Your question is suspect and vague.
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How would he know if he purchased the device from someone. He wouldn't... AND he didn't say tmobile made him buy insurance he said they OFFERED it. And they offer the jump/insurance plan on any device they carry. It's because they get kickbacks from the company (https://myphpinfo.com/) that provides the insurance.
His question wasn't suspect. It was direct and specific.
what will happen to my phone if it was reported as stolen? I have already paid it full and it is an international unlocked version. Would I be able to use it in a different carrier or just internationaly ?"]what will happen to my phone if it was reported as stolen? I have already paid it full and it is an international unlocked version. Would I be able to use it in a different carrier or just internationaly ?
The answer is Nothing will happen to your phone. The device will either be Blacklisted and not work (even on prepaid), Work for a few months and then be blacklisted (See below), or it will work and you will have never have issues.
If the device was reported stolen by any of the major carriers it will definitely not make calls, text messages, or LTE from any of the NA carriers Even prepaid, most sub carriers that use sim cards like straight talk, simple mobile, h20, Red Pocket, family mobile etc piggy back on either Tmobile or AT&T towers, you won’t be able to use any of these.
Also a stolen device isn't the only device that will be blacklisted on NA carrier networks. Some other reasons include.. A past due balance on a phone not fully paid off or if the early termination fees weren't paid on the account. So you take a risk if you purchase a device from a disreputable source. For instance, if I decided I wanted to sell my phone for crack, I could , and the device would work for a month or two or three. That is, until tmobile decides to block it. "Okay this guy ins't paying us, Black list the device"
Not every phone bought off of the black market is stolen. But a phone bought off the blackmarket runs the risk of being blocked later down the road.
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How would he know if he purchased the device from someone. He wouldn't... AND he didn't say tmobile made him buy insurance he said they OFFERED it. And they offer the jump/insurance plan on any device they carry. It's because they get kickbacks from the company (https://myphpinfo.com/) that provides the insurance.
His question wasn't suspect. It was direct and specific.
what will happen to my phone if it was reported as stolen? I have already paid it full and it is an international unlocked version. Would I be able to use it in a different carrier or just internationaly ?"]what will happen to my phone if it was reported as stolen? I have already paid it full and it is an international unlocked version. Would I be able to use it in a different carrier or just internationaly ?
The answer is Nothing will happen to your phone. The device will either be Blacklisted and not work (even on prepaid), Work for a few months and then be blacklisted (See below), or it will work and you will have never have issues.
If the device was reported stolen by any of the major carriers it will definitely not make calls, text messages, or LTE from any of the NA carriers Even prepaid, most sub carriers that use sim cards like straight talk, simple mobile, h20, Red Pocket, family mobile etc piggy back on either Tmobile or AT&T towers, you won’t be able to use any of these.
Also a stolen device isn't the only device that will be blacklisted on NA carrier networks. Some other reasons include.. A past due balance on a phone not fully paid off or if the early termination fees weren't paid on the account. So you take a risk if you purchase a device from a disreputable source. For instance, if I decided I wanted to sell my phone for crack, I could , and the device would work for a month or two or three. That is, until tmobile decides to block it. "Okay this guy ins't paying us, Black list the device"
Not every phone bought off of the black market is stolen. But a phone bought off the blackmarket runs the risk of being blocked later down the road.
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You're two weeks late.
His question was vague, and I took it for exactly for what it was.
bvzxa3 said:
You're two weeks late.
His question was vague, and I took it for exactly for what it was.
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Better late than never. At least now there is some actual information that isn't accusatory in nature. Glad to help out the community.
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Better late than never. At least now there is some actual information that isn't accusatory in nature. Glad to help out the community.
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The question was vague. The answer was based on the question. And believe me I know a lot about blacklisted phones, I own a "box" or two.
get a life
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The question was vague. The answer was based on the question. And believe me I know a lot about blacklisted phones, I own a "box" or two.
get a life
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I'll just leave this here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
2.3 Flaming / Lack of respect: XDA is about sharing and this does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) or rudeness. Flaming or posting with a lack of respect is unacceptable. Treat new members in the manner in which you would like to have been treated when you were a new member. When dealing with any member, provide them with guidance, advice and instructions when you can, showing them respect and courtesy. Never post in a demanding, argumentative, disrespectful or self-righteous manner.
1. Flaming, I would not call it that.
2. My answer was based on the question.
3. If "get a life" is flaming I could care less.
4. You tried to answer a question by assuming and the OP himself left the thread weeks ago.
5. Y not build up your "thanks" meter with real helpful answers. Direct it at the OP not me, and just maybe you wouldn't be trying to flame and hide.
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I'll just leave this here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
2.3 Flaming / Lack of respect: XDA is about sharing and this does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) or rudeness. Flaming or posting with a lack of respect is unacceptable. Treat new members in the manner in which you would like to have been treated when you were a new member. When dealing with any member, provide them with guidance, advice and instructions when you can, showing them respect and courtesy. Never post in a demanding, argumentative, disrespectful or self-righteous manner.
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sorry, but this user was very careful not to state why his phone might be considered stolen. it really sounds like this user knows it was stolen and is surprised that tmobile has made any offering at all. not to mention, the user has also gone silent since the start of the conversation. i know human nature enough to read between the lines.
You don't have to apologize, you did nothing wrong. I have considered your answer and in return I would like you to consider mine.
I don't think OP was tactful in his original request. His question was simply "If the phone is reported stolen, what would happen do the device or could he use it with a prepaid.... We can't infer from his inquiry that the device he was using is stolen. But only that OP was curious about what happens when a device is reported stolen. You're also right that he has gone silent. But wouldn't you if you asked a question out of curiosity and started to be accused of having a stolen device and not helpful post.
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1. Flaming, I would not call it that.
2. My answer was based on the question.
3. If "get a life" is flaming I could care less.
4. You tried to answer a question by assuming and the OP himself left the thread weeks ago.
5. Y not build up your "thanks" meter with real helpful answers. Direct it at the OP not me, and just maybe you wouldn't be trying to flame and hide.
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1. Flaming is the name of the rule. I probably wouldn't call your answer that either.
2. You're answer was incompetent and incomplete.
3. See #2
4. I left the answer for anyone else who also may be searching for the answer.. why? See #2.
5. I couldn't care less about the thanks. Just making sure there is accurate information for the community.
Cheers!
Where was my answer incompetent. Man please. If he had a truly unlocked device the only way it would have been blocked if it was reported stolen. He was worried about insurance which has nothing to do with the IMEI...which I stated. So you tried to sound correct but it's up to the OP to choose not you.
People like you dont know your stuff will do anything to boost post count with a lackluster contribution riding of the back of others.
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What you are discussing OP is fraud and it will not be tolerated on this site!
Please report threads and do not engage members in this manner
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Thanks
Here we go....another victim to Tmo's overbearing retroactive IMEI blocking
I bought it used from a private seller, now 3 months later the IMEI is blocked.
What can I do about it? No holds barred here. How do I get my phone working again? If it's against XDA rules to openly discuss it, don't...please discreetly point me in the right direction or drop a PM. I'm down for anything....ANYTHING!!!
So please give me a little help...I've done some searching and what I keep seeing is 'maybe...depending on the device'....is N6 one of them it's possible?
Also, just so it's said...I have another Nexus with physical damage, but a valid 100% legit donor IMEI of which I am the original owner, so this isn't an attempt to hijack one from someone....just wanted to make that perfectly clear.
hp420 said:
Here we go....another victim to Tmo's overbearing retroactive IMEI blocking
I bought it used from a private seller, now 3 months later the IMEI is blocked.
What can I do about it? No holds barred here. How do I get my phone working again? If it's against XDA rules to openly discuss it, don't...please discreetly point me in the right direction or drop a PM. I'm down for anything....ANYTHING!!!
So please give me a little help...I've done some searching and what I keep seeing is 'maybe...depending on the device'....is N6 one of them it's possible?
Also, just so it's said...I have another Nexus with physical damage, but a valid 100% legit donor IMEI of which I am the original owner, so this isn't an attempt to hijack one from someone....just wanted to make that perfectly clear.
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sounds like the seller sold you a stolen phone, or one not paid off. there's nothing you can do about it, and talking about changing your imei isn't allowed on XDA.
hp420 said:
Here we go....another victim to Tmo's overbearing retroactive IMEI blocking
I bought it used from a private seller, now 3 months later the IMEI is blocked.
What can I do about it? No holds barred here. How do I get my phone working again? If it's against XDA rules to openly discuss it, don't...please discreetly point me in the right direction or drop a PM. I'm down for anything....ANYTHING!!!
So please give me a little help...I've done some searching and what I keep seeing is 'maybe...depending on the device'....is N6 one of them it's possible?
Also, just so it's said...I have another Nexus with physical damage, but a valid 100% legit donor IMEI of which I am the original owner, so this isn't an attempt to hijack one from someone....just wanted to make that perfectly clear.
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Did you contact t-Mobile to ask why the imei is blocked? Contact the seller for a refund and/or file a police report if he is not willing to do that.
Thanks guys. I did call tmo...we had a lengthy conversation, I was passed to 3 supervisors, escalated ro tier 2, and they still refused to do anything. The customer cancelled service and has an outstanding balance for the device, so Unless I pay for it ($900 they said...I got a great laugh out of that one) they won't do anything for me.
I'm aware IMEI talk usn't allowed in public, which is why I have asked people to keep that discussion OUT of this thread please...don't get this thread closed on me please, people...if you have sonething to say, please PM me.
The thing that's so messed up is I did pay for it already...it's far from my fault if that money never got to the original seller in one way or another, and now they want me to pay for it again just to use it!!! How is this literally not extortion??? Can't I file a police report against Tmo for this? They activated a brand new prepaid sim using the IMEI from the same Nexus 6 just 2 months ago, which, in my eyes, is a guarantee from Tmo that the IMEI is good, no?? I sort of feel like Tmo should be responsible for this since they let me activate it after checking the number.
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Thanks guys. I did call tmo...we had a lengthy conversation, I was passed to 3 supervisors, escalated ro tier 2, and they still refused to do anything. The customer cancelled service and has an outstanding balance for the device, so Unless I pay for it ($900 they said...I got a great laugh out of that one) they won't do anything for me.
I'm aware IMEI talk usn't allowed in public, which is why I have asked people to keep that discussion OUT of this thread please...don't get this thread closed on me please, people...if you have sonething to say, please PM me.
The thing that's so messed up is I did pay for it already...it's far from my fault if that money never got to the original seller in one way or another, and now they want me to pay for it again just to use it!!! How is this literally not extortion??? Can't I file a police report against Tmo for this? They activated a brand new prepaid sim using the IMEI from the same Nexus 6 just 2 months ago, which, in my eyes, is a guarantee from Tmo that the IMEI is good, no?? I sort of feel like Tmo should be responsible for this since they let me activate it after checking the number.
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It all depends on when he canceled the contract. This is why I never buy used devices unless I know the person. T-mobile and many carriers are doing this because of things just like this. Its not their fault. It is the person that sold you the device. You could file a police report against that person for selling stolen property.
As @zelendel said, it depends on when he canceled the contract. I agree it's not your fault that the money didn't get to the original seller, but what T-Mobile does isn't extortion because they still own the phone as long as there are payments left on it. It sucks, and I can only imagine the spot you're in. But T-Mobile, as the original owner of the device, is within their rights to block the IMEI.
Keep in mind that T-Mobile blocking the IMEI on their network is different from blacklisting the IMEI. In the case of the former, it only applies to the T-Mobile network and covers non-payment of the monthly charge for the equipment. The latter applies to all carriers and covers if the device is lost or stolen.
In short, if the device is blocked, you can try it on AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, or any of their MVNOs. If it's blacklisted, the device likely won't work at all on any carrier. There are of course no guarantees that using another carrier will work, but as this apparently isn't a lost or stolen phone the chances of being able to use the device are high.
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As @zelendel said, it depends on when he canceled the contract. I agree it's not your fault that the money didn't get to the original seller, but what T-Mobile does isn't extortion because they still own the phone as long as there are payments left on it. It sucks, and I can only imagine the spot you're in. But T-Mobile, as the original owner of the device, is within their rights to block the IMEI.
Keep in mind that T-Mobile blocking the IMEI on their network is different from blacklisting the IMEI. In the case of the former, it only applies to the T-Mobile network and covers non-payment of the monthly charge for the equipment. The latter applies to all carriers and covers if the device is lost or stolen.
In short, if the device is blocked, you can try it on AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, or any of their MVNOs. If it's blacklisted, the device likely won't work at all on any carrier. There are of course no guarantees that using another carrier will work, but as this apparently isn't a lost or stolen phone the chances of being able to use the device are high.
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How about a Tmo mvno? Is metro going to block me, as well?
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How about a Tmo mvno? Is metro going to block me, as well?
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Yes because it still uses their network.
hp420 said:
How about a Tmo mvno? Is metro going to block me, as well?
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Use the xposed route I PM u about
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If your other nexus' board still works, why not swap boards? Not ideal, but at least you would have at least one working phone.
Port to cricket
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Port to cricket
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They're AT&T...no thanks
chapelfreak said:
If your other nexus' board still works, why not swap boards? Not ideal, but at least you would have at least one working phone.
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Busted motherboard. I appreciate the input, though.
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Busted motherboard. I appreciate the input, though.
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https://swappa.com/boneyard/post/KV6XQ9
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Port to cricket is your easiest and quickest fix. Nothing wrong with the service. Been using it for a year.
I've been using Straight Talk for several years now. No problems with them, and they are a MVNO that has agreements for all the US networks.
Since T-Mobile isn't available, you don't like AT&T, and Sprint is terrible, your only real option is Verizon.
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Port to cricket is your easiest and quickest fix. Nothing wrong with the service. Been using it for a year.
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I know they aren't, but they screwed me on data several years ago. I promised they would never see another dime from me, and I'm a man of my word lol
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
I've been using Straight Talk for several years now. No problems with them, and they are a MVNO that has agreements for all the US networks.
Since T-Mobile isn't available, you don't like AT&T, and Sprint is terrible, your only real option is Verizon.
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Sprint is actually kinda ok where I live. I had them back in the WiMax days and I was always confused what all the complaining was about...I guess I was just lucky, but my Nexus S got some awesome "4g" (TOTALLY unlimited too)
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https://swappa.com/boneyard/post/KV6XQ9
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It's been a thought, but if I need to farm the IMEI from that device I can't sell it. Thanks though!
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Use the xposed route I PM u about
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Thank you!! I'm not ignoring you, bud I'm running N preview and I haven't had time to flash a 6.0 rom to test this. It's on my to-do list, though. If that actually works I'd be pretty happy with it at least as a temporary fix...just too bad it's totally dependant on xposed, you know? That could put a real damper on updating it, which is like 90% of what makes Nexus devices so awesome. Thanks for the idea, though!
@hp420,
If you bought on Swappa or eBay and paid with PayPal... PayPal's buyer protection is good for 180 days after purchase. File a claim against the seller on PayPal. Device "Significantly not as Described". You will get your money back, for sure....
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@hp420,
If you bought on Swappa or eBay and paid with PayPal... PayPal's buyer protection is good for 180 days after purchase. File a claim against the seller on PayPal. Device "Significantly not as Described". You will get your money back, for sure....
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I wish Private sale, and I thought I could trust the guy. Lesson learned.
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Thanks guys. I did call tmo...we had a lengthy conversation, I was passed to 3 supervisors, escalated ro tier 2, and they still refused to do anything. The customer cancelled service and has an outstanding balance for the device, so Unless I pay for it ($900 they said...I got a great laugh out of that one) they won't do anything for me.
I'm aware IMEI talk usn't allowed in public, which is why I have asked people to keep that discussion OUT of this thread please...don't get this thread closed on me please, people...if you have sonething to say, please PM me.
The thing that's so messed up is I did pay for it already...it's far from my fault if that money never got to the original seller in one way or another, and now they want me to pay for it again just to use it!!! How is this literally not extortion??? Can't I file a police report against Tmo for this? They activated a brand new prepaid sim using the IMEI from the same Nexus 6 just 2 months ago, which, in my eyes, is a guarantee from Tmo that the IMEI is good, no?? I sort of feel like Tmo should be responsible for this since they let me activate it after checking the number.
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I agree that the private phone sales situation is in a pretty sad state. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it is fraudulent on the part of the service providers. They should either provide an easily accessible lookup database (this would have to be a joint database among *all* service providers) to validate that a device is unencumbered, or forgive the "new" owner if the original skipped town.
Normally I would say that a problem with a product should be handled between buyer and seller, but in this case, that doesn't secure the buyer at all.
The service provider just wants to sell you a new phone.