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This isn't a Galaxy SII

So I won the XDA phone of the year contest. I showed my work on the Galaxy S 2 and I was voted to win a AT&T Galaxy S 2 http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/xdas-favorite-phone-and-tablet-of-2011-contest-vote-now/
I am typing this on a Focus S i received from someone at Samsung. This is not what I was expecting. My initial impressions:
1. Laggy. When loading a page, the device tends to lock up and words become illegible.
2. No status indicators when browsing the internet.. I want to see time and signal strength when I post a new thread.
3. Copy and paste should not be the default when you select a cursor position
4. Autocorrect seems to be pretty darn good.
5. Its pretty.
I really hope I'm not stuck working with this closed source device. Everything about it is closed source, down to the Qualcomm processor. As a hobbiest, this device isn't valuable. It is a finished product without the ability to be modified or changed in the true xda hardware/kernel hacking manner.
I'm sorry if I offend anyone. This is not my intent. This device is definitely not for me.

AdamOutler said:
So I won the XDA phone of the year contest. I showed my work on the Galaxy S 2 and I was voted to win a AT&T Galaxy S 2 http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/xdas-favorite-phone-and-tablet-of-2011-contest-vote-now/
I am typing this on a Focus S i received from someone at Samsung. This is not what I was expecting. My initial impressions:
1. Laggy. When loading a page, the device tends to lock up and words become illegible.
2. No status indicators when browsing the internet.. I want to see time and signal strength when I post a new thread.
3. Copy and paste should not be the default when you select a cursor position
4. Autocorrect seems to be pretty darn good.
5. Its pretty.
I really hope I'm not stuck working with this closed source device. Everything about it is closed source, down to the Qualcomm processor. As a hobbiest, this device isn't valuable. It is a finished product without the ability to be modified or changed in the true xda hardware/kernel hacking manner.
I'm sorry if I offend anyone. This is not my intent. This device is definitely not for me.
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So, I understand that isn't what you were looking for, and yes, it's not 'open source' like the Android phones.
But I'm wondering why you thought you should post it here, rather than complain directly to the XDA moderators and/or Samsung. If you were voted a Galaxy S II, and you didn't receive it, I would think the appropriate place to complain would be the people who offered the content -- not rag on the unit in the user support forum of those of us who enjoy the WP7 O/S and one of the speediest and best looking units out there.

I already did. I figured someone may benefeit from my initial impression of the device. Also, it's not speedy. My single core Infuse4g responds better and has more features.
If samsung lets me keep this device, I'll tear it up and make a how-to on the serial administration console.

Damn the i777 would really benefit from having u onboard =/, hope u can sort it out with samsung tho =]

Hi, I am looking for a Samsung Focus S. But it wouldn't be sold in China. If you don't like it. I want to buy yours. Contact to me via [email protected] if you would. By the way, is is unlocked? I will use China Mobile SIM card.

Don't know if eBay is available in China, but that might be the best place to look.

AdamOutler said:
I already did. I figured someone may benefeit from my initial impression of the device. Also, it's not speedy. My single core Infuse4g responds better and has more features.
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Curious about what exactly you found not speedy? After going from a Samsung Focus > Galaxy Nexus (for 2 weeks because I couldn't handle all the lag) > back to a Lumia 710 I couldn't find a single aspect of Android that was less laggy than WP7. There are some things Android would do faster (browser page loads) but all in all it did everything with far more lag. Even the keyboard lagged severely compared to WP7.

geoken said:
Curious about what exactly you found not speedy? After going from a Samsung Focus > Galaxy Nexus (for 2 weeks because I couldn't handle all the lag) > back to a Lumia 710 I couldn't find a single aspect of Android that was less laggy than WP7. There are some things Android would do faster (browser page loads) but all in all it did everything with far more lag. Even the keyboard lagged severely compared to WP7.
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I most certainly agree with you here. After the last 2 years with android, I replaced my bionic with the focus s yesterday. I bought a lumia 710 3 weeks ago to check out the 2nd gen devices, after coming back to my Dell Venue Pro. It was $20 USD, with no contract extension, so it was worth a risk. . Yes there are things android does better. But not alot. Wp7 is comparable in many ways...most of the ways I use a phone. Android and rooting and modding, in many ways reminds me of the old tv commercial for McDonald's chicken nuggets...parts is parts.
I will actually be moving to a lumia 900 when it arrives. I bought the Focus because its a 4.3 mango device and I had to leave the Bionic, immediately. It has been a pleasant surprise....no regrets.
Only problem so far...1 freeze when browsing while loading 30 apps with reinstaller.

switching from blackberry to note 8

Dear experts, need your advise, I used to be blackberry user for several years, now decided to switch to note 8 , s pen and other options are very suitable for business.
But I have some questions about note 8...
First of all how secure is note 8.
Thanks much!!!

@Archibald1963
That's a great question that I don't believe can be answered decisively. Simply because needs vary per individual.
Without knowing your work situation or business requirements, I will say this:
If you are looking to secure your device, Samsung, and Android in general, have a plethora of options that ensure your device, its applications, and data remain encrypted and safe.
Included below are two links; one outlines all available security options for Samsung devices and the other speaks specifically to Secure Folder:
Knox Solutions Overview
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/solutions
Secure Folder Overview
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/solutions/secure-folder
Good luck!

A_H_E said:
@Archibald1963
That's a great question that I don't believe can be answered decisively. Simply because needs vary per individual.
Without knowing your work situation or business requirements, I will say this:
If you are looking to secure your device, Samsung, and Android in general, have a plethora of options that ensure your device, its applications, and data remain encrypted.
Included below are two links; one outlines all available security options for Samsung devices and the other speaks specifically to Secure Folder:
Knox Solutions Overview
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/solutions
Secure Folder Overview
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/solutions/secure-folder
Good luck!
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Thanks much!

Absolutely! Let me know if you need anything else.

Android has become very secure ad long as you only install apps from the play store. Hell, android is so secure now I'm starting to dislike it, because obtaining root with a locked boatloader is almost impossible without leaked firmware

Also I was looking for good ad blocker, unfortunately adaway only for rooted devices , any recommendations for non rooted?
Thanks

As someone who also came from BlackBerry, I can say the flagships are the most secure. Are you coming from BB10 or a newer BB Android? If you're coming in from BB10, the learning curve is interesting. However, the Note 8 having no home button is similar to the Z10, regarding swiping, sorta.

Dark4rce-2 said:
As someone who also came from BlackBerry, I can say the flagships are the most secure. Are you coming from BB10 or a newer BB Android? If you're coming in from BB10, the learning curve is interesting. However, the Note 8 having no home button is similar to the Z10, regarding swiping, sorta.
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Now I'm on BlackBerry K1, first android experience was with s7 edge , learned how to root it , great device compare to K1, no ads. With adaway .

Will our Note 8 get some S9 Features?

Ok we obviously won't get any hardware-dependent features, but we should get the new camera interface / live text translation / split-screen app shortcuts etc, right?

Just lol... Yeah, in 15 minutes all the developers on xda will answer you. With the exact date and time and the mod they will port. After all, the S9 is now already 6 months old. Hang on...
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Ideally those features should come with the Oreo update of Note 8. Can't see any other logical reason for delaying the update of their current flagship as most of these tweaks require dual camera which s8 or + dont have thus they just released the oreo without that. But, they cannot release the new features on Note 8 before they show it off in S9. Thus the hold up in the update. Releasing a Oreo update for Note 8 without those features and then again releasing one more later with the update is too much work thus they must have skipped the former.

Dejan Sathanas said:
Just lol... Yeah, in 15 minutes all the developers on xda will answer you. With the exact date and time and the mod they will port. After all, the S9 is now already 6 months old. Hang on...
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Lol dude, chill.. nobody is expecting definitive answers. I meant do you think Samsung might include these features in future updates. I was hoping for a discussion on what is theoretically possible, now that a lot of S9 features have been leaked.

Dejan Sathanas said:
Just lol... Yeah, in 15 minutes all the developers on xda will answer you. With the exact date and time and the mod they will port. After all, the S9 is now already 6 months old. Hang on...
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There's a polite way to say that. It's supposed to be a community after all

sefrcoko said:
There's a polite way to say that. It's supposed to be a community after all
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I know. Threads like this, when the phone is not even officially released and people already want something from it, make me angry. I want to change, but i can't. I often feel stupid for "being the xda police", and still i do it. :silly:
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Dejan Sathanas said:
I know. Threads like this, when the phone is not even officially released and people already want something from it, make me angry. I want to change, but i can't. I often feel stupid for "being the xda police", and still i do it. :silly:
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You're not the "XDA police" so stop acting like you're superior to the rest of the people posting here. You're in the questions and answers sections, this post and your previous ones aren't helping and are annoying. All you do is post some stupid sarcastic comment to try and make the previous poster feel like an idiot instead of actually helping them.

Aremoji should work because there doesn't seem to be any hardware limitation

After the s9 sales well yes the note 8 will get key features as for anytime soon no forget it

Hopefully we at least see Oreo soon. I'm still salty because Samsung just cut the Samsung Pay reward points in half....

We will see (I hope) many good things when Oreo hits the note 8, I can not say that features from s9+, but hey! They belong to a different series, I bought my note 8 for what it is and the features it offered from day one, so, anything else would be a very welcome bonus, that is why I do not complain or whine about oreo still not coming, I like my device as I bought it, that is why I chose it, that`s it.

i did saw the live launch yesterday and they displayed for a few seconds that the S8/S8+/Note 8 is AR capable
so lets see if Oreo update will allow us to have S9 AR capable camera features

Honestly I doubt it unless 3rd party ports them. They're running out of ideas for new upgrades it's obvious and to port new software features to older phones isn't the best marketing move. That's just my opinion.
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S9 system dump was just released. I already ported it but without Oreo most stuff doesn't work and it's extremely buggy. If anyone wants screens or anything just join my Telegram group [at]JaysRoms . Once we will get Oreo. I will port S9 to Note8 .

Samsung messed up this time BIG time. We all paid very good money for the note 8 for a good phone - ok? Yes, that is true but to wait almost a full year for the Oreo update? Common SAMSUNG...
Now the S9 series will be on top of everything and in a few months the Note 9 will so our 1000 bucks Note 8 will be "old" , "sluggish" an so on... This is bul**** my friends.
When I pay this money I am expecting fast update, support and ALL the new software features. But we are to blame! We should stop buying new phones every year! If we stay with a phone at least 2 years and don't give them our money they will start to understand that a 5 months old phone IS NOT OLD!
"S9 system dump was just released. I already ported it but without Oreo most stuff doesn't work and it's extremely buggy. If anyone wants screens or anything just join my Telegram group [at]JaysRoms . Once we will get Oreo. I will port S9 to Note 8 ."
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I suppose a root will be necessary ? Thanks.

s9 features? in fact there is doubt if we would have oreo or not

infrasonic13 said:
Samsung messed up this time BIG time. We all paid very good money for the note 8 for a good phone - ok? Yes, that is true but to wait almost a full year for the Oreo update? Common SAMSUNG...
Now the S9 series will be on top of everything and in a few months the Note 9 will so our 1000 bucks Note 8 will be "old" , "sluggish" an so on... This is bul**** my friends.
When I pay this money I am expecting fast update, support and ALL the new software features. But we are to blame! We should stop buying new phones every year! If we stay with a phone at least 2 years and don't give them our money they will start to understand that a 5 months old phone IS NOT OLD!
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your first mistake was expecting fast update from Sammy. they are known for their obscene late updates and if im not wrong, the current price of the Note 8 is already pretty low before S9 even hit.
i was even thinking of rooting but thx to Substratum especially the font addons. again, i maybe wrong, cause i do shot video at 60fps, rooting may very well kill that feature. yeah, there is rooted stock rom but i root for flashing purer rom if theres such word and therein lies the problem, no more 60fps!

Anyone who expects S9 features to be present in the Note 8 rom must be smoking something illegal...
Where in the world is the economic sense to supply these features in their next phone if owners of older phones have it already?
Why would you update your hardware if you are already running most of the improvements?
We'll probably get a slightly beefed up version of Oreo that the S8 and S8+ got and won't see any of the S9 features until 6 months after the S9's and S9+'s relaese. There's no money in it for Samsung...

My view on major updates is mixed. Monthly security updates are in my view mandatory and Samsung continues to offer those down to the S6.
Major OS updates can yield mixed performance and stability results when applied to older hardware. Further, the advances from say Nougat to Oreo- range from significant (Treble (which the 8 series will not get with Android 8.0), better battery life, notifications, etc ) to cosmetic.
Samsung Experience new version tweaks seem even less important. I can live without new emojis for example.
I think the bottom line is that with Oreo and Project Treble, Samsung and others should be able to churn out faster and more reliable updates. The issue pre Oreo was more on Androids limitations and less on Samsung's intransigence. That said, the omission of Treble from the 8 series Oreo updates is troubling. Maybe this will come with 8.1.

prodigyX said:
Lol dude, chill.. nobody is expecting definitive answers. I meant do you think Samsung might include these features in future updates. I was hoping for a discussion on what is theoretically possible, now that a lot of S9 features have been leaked.
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No Samsung won't be releasing any of the s9 features for note 8 as it would cripple the s9 sales and the note 9.
They only did that with the note 5 when note 7 was recalled as a apology of some sort.
The XDA devs on the other hand are know to to port stuff somewhere down the line but sadly we don't ha e that many devs for note 8 yet as we did for previous notes such as note 3 and 4.
Hopefully more devs will buy note 8 when note 9 is released when price falls.

Android Q

Just watched this video showing the new features of android Q. Samsung isn't on the list for the beta testing. I'm really not feeling the gestures it's just not quick enough going back.
For me the most impressive feature is the captions.
Basically it adds subtitles to your videos.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/7/1...vailable-pixel-oneplus-lg-sony-phones-io-2019

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Just watched this video showing the new features of android Q. Samsung isn't on the list for the beta testing. I'm really not feeling the gestures it's just not quick enough going back.
For me the most impressive feature is the captions.
Basically it adds subtitles to your videos.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/7/1...vailable-pixel-oneplus-lg-sony-phones-io-2019
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Used it on my pixel, boring update in my opinion. The reason Samsung isn't included is because all of those companies use versions extremely close to stock

clax6 said:
Just watched this video showing the new features of android Q. Samsung isn't on the list for the beta testing. I'm really not feeling the gestures it's just not quick enough going back.
For me the most impressive feature is the captions.
Basically it adds subtitles to your videos.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/7/1...vailable-pixel-oneplus-lg-sony-phones-io-2019
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In order for Samsung to be included they'd have to make a major overhaul to their one UI that they've just finished building (and is still not finished imo) and they won't just do that for beta testing.

The main reason for my post was about the new features. I just wondered what peoples thought were on them.

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The main reason for my post was about the new features. I just wondered what peoples thought were on them.
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It is a very sweet update. I think the finished android Q will kill it. I hope Samsung pushes it to the note 9.

crixley said:
Used it on my pixel, boring update in my opinion. The reason Samsung isn't included is because all of those companies use versions extremely close to stock
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Not true at all. Huawei and Xiaomi UI is modified to a large extent.

The reasons you won't see a preview release of Q on Samsungs are the locked bootloader and Samsung's insistence on their own customized UI. If past trends are correct, the Note 9 will get Android Q early next year. Each Samsung phone gets 2 major Android version upgrades so Q will likely be the final one. Also note that Samsung may choose to release it's own version of some new apps/features instead of using Google's implementation.

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Not true at all. Huawei and Xiaomi UI is modified to a large extent.
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Not to the degree Samsung's ui is. Regardless it's the most boring Android release ever, we aren't missing anything

crixley said:
Used it on my pixel, boring update in my opinion. The reason Samsung isn't included is because all of those companies use versions extremely close to stock
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Not to the degree Samsung's ui is. Regardless it's the most boring Android release ever, we aren't missing anything
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This clearly shows you have never used MIUI or EMUI before. I have used both as daily drivers and they are modified to a very large degree. And I'll confidently that say it's even more than Samsung. While Q doesn't introduce revolutionary features, there are several small improvements, especially in the privacy front that I guess many users are interested in and using the notion that it's a boring release isn't a very good justification for Samsung delaying it's upgrade plans.

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This clearly shows you have never used MIUI or EMUI before. I have used both as daily drivers and they are modified to a very large degree. And I'll confidently that say it's even more than Samsung. While Q doesn't introduce revolutionary features, there are several small improvements, especially in the privacy front that I guess many users are interested in and using the notion that it's a boring release isn't a very good justification for Samsung delaying it's upgrade plans.
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I've used both actually, however not to a large degree. In my use though I didn't find they were modded to the level that Samsung has modified Android.
Anyway enough being snotty, I am simply saying personally I'm not overly concerned about getting it asap

Planning on purchasing a new Note 9, some questions...

Hello everyone!
I am planning on purchasing a Note 9 which has just come up on discount locally. I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a few questions I have : ):
- Does the battery life of the Note 9 diminish greatly within a few months of usage?
- Does the stock Samsung UI start to lag a lot within a few months of usage?
- Stock camera app good enough or will need to install Google Cam app? If so, How good is google camera app on the Note 9?
Thank you for your time.

No
No
Very good
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Maky-313 said:
Hello everyone!
I am planning on purchasing a Note 9 which has just come up on discount locally. I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a few questions I have : ):
- Does the battery life of the Note 9 diminish greatly within a few months of usage?
- Does the stock Samsung UI start to lag a lot within a few months of usage?
- Stock camera app good enough or will need to install Google Cam app? If so, How good is google camera app on the Note 9?
Thank you for your time.
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it all depends on what you install on it.
but for the last question stock is pretty good. especially if device has the latest firmware(software update)

Maky-313 said:
Hello everyone!
I am planning on purchasing a Note 9 which has just come up on discount locally. I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a few questions I have : ):
- Does the battery life of the Note 9 diminish greatly within a few months of usage?
- Does the stock Samsung UI start to lag a lot within a few months of usage?
- Stock camera app good enough or will need to install Google Cam app? If so, How good is google camera app on the Note 9?
Thank you for your time.
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Best way to charge is with a wireless charge pad overnight. That's a slow charge and very easy on the battery. By the end of my 12hr days of moderate talking/texting, the phone is at 80%, and then I use it all night (instead of tv) and it's at 50% when I go to bed. That's with auto brightness, the dark UI (night mode) and no added theme. Dark mode all the apps. It looks gorgeous. I've had it for about four months, and it's an amazing phone. No lag. VERY nice OS (Android 9 + OneUI). Camera app is excellent. Google Cam app would not be better. When you buy a Note9 new, do ALL the updates (Android 8 to 9 and all security patches) right away before installing any apps, and you will have a trouble-free system. Android 9 in most regions does not have call recording. A US unbranded Note9 is bloat-free and great for T-Mobile, because you still get wifi-calling and VoLTE, but for the other carriers, you lose those if you don't get their branded version. If you want to root your phone, you must buy an Exynos or dual-sim Snapdragon version. All US Note9 versions are bootloader-locked and will not root. Ain't happening. This is the first Android setup I've had where it's so good I don't need root (7 of my Androids are rooted and non-stock ROMmed). Note9 is better than Note10. The last great Samsung phone.

If you're thinking about Sprint as a carrier learn Spanish. No way Jose. The device cant do voice and data unless you downgrade to Oreo and even then its wishy washy.

docdg said:
If you're thinking about Sprint as a carrier learn Spanish. No way Jose. The device cant do voice and data unless you downgrade to Oreo and even then its wishy washy.
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CDMA has always been terrible.

Nah just this phone

ok thanks guys
It's really betweent his and the S9 for now.

No lag at all running on firmware that orginally shipped with the Note 9 which is Android 8.1.

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No lag at all running on firmware that orginally shipped with the Note 9 which is Android 8.1.
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Why you're still on such an old firmware???
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bat0nas said:
Why you're still on such an old firmware???
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Easy. Becasue I hate Pie.

I want to buy a 512GB Note9 International for Christmas or so, nice to see everyone is happy with the phone & the updates

dave678 said:
Easy. Becasue I hate Pie.
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Have you tried it?
I really don't understand the haters.
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Easy. Because I hate Pie.
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Don't go past Oreo Dave. There is more wrong past that than is immediately apparent. Most of the complaints at the play store about apps that used to work and don't anymore is based on not only Pie, but also play store updates that put you in iPhone prison. The apps at the Play Store had to be rewritten to uselessness to remain listed, which made apkpure.com my new friend to download previous versions of apps, and turn off Google Policy Updates at both the play store and my phone. Because I have the 960U, I had to flash to the US UNLOCKED U1 firmware and then disable updates in the configs by following these instructions. The forcing updates by US carriers and play store to strip functionality that protects you appears to be a US deep state driven thing because many nations won't put up with those restrictions and appears to be a U-model-only thing.

There's a lot of opinions and hyperbole about Pie and OneUI on Note9. I've been running it since day one on Note9, and I have zero app issues. I think most app issues are from updating from 8 to 9 after apps were installed. Those with upgrade issues have done a factory reset then reinstalled apps and watched all those issues go away. I like it much more than Android 8 + TouchWiz. Most of the justified dislike is around call recording. If you must have call recording, better disable updates and stay on old software otherwise update without worry, and enjoy continued security updates.

Had zero issues after update.
When I hear people complaining about such things I tend to believe that the problem is not with pie+one_ui but with the people.
Yes there are exceptions.
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bat0nas said:
Have you tried it?
I really don't understand the haters.
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I have tried it multipe times whenever I go to Costco. By playing around with an S10 and Note 10 Plus and I still hate it.
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There's a lot of opinions and hyperbole about Pie and OneUI on Note9. I've been running it since day one on Note9, and I have zero app issues. I think most app issues are from updating from 8 to 9 after apps were installed. Those with upgrade issues have done a factory reset then reinstalled apps and watched all those issues go away. I like it much more than Android 8 + TouchWiz. Most of the justified dislike is around call recording. If you must have call recording, better disable updates and stay on old software otherwise update without worry, and enjoy continued security updates.
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I just hate the look and no AM or PM.

gruuvin said:
There's a lot of opinions and hyperbole about Pie and OneUI on Note9. I've been running it since day one on Note9, and I have zero app issues. I like it much more than Android 8 + TouchWiz. Most of the justified dislike is around call recording. If you don't need that, then you can update without worry.
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I would agree with that. Actually, any app other than a dialer that leverages your contacts and call history is hamstrung or no longer works. On Android 10, they purposely killed call recording altogether. Since most calls go VoLTE, the calling parties are the only ones deprived of a record of their calls. Everyone else in the chain keeps a copy.
Android established its market by being the open choice, and actually the only choice for non-Apple after Steve Balmer pulled the plug on the Windows Mobile/Pocket PC. Even rooting was a normal option without permanently disabling the capabilities of your device. The progression has been to force IOS limitations upon Android, with more an more access to your private information by phone makers and Google. As with LTE-A, It's time for a non-proprietary mobile operating system that is beholden to its users instead of companies and governments. Vendors can plug their Touchwiz or whatever into that.
As for CDMA, Qualcomm used it as a product name because it incorporates cdma as a technology. The only reason GSM didn't go with it is CDMA as a product name and technology is because it was owned by Qualcomm. GSM service was poor, expensive, and impractical in many areas until later when GSM went to cdma. The EU legislated against CDMA, and this affected their orbiting countries. Developed countries went with CDMA, including the US, Japan, South Korea, Russia, etc., and even countries in the EU bolted GSM for CDMA. The defining moment came at 4G time when Sprint gained control of Clearwire, the owner of the new 4G, Wi-MAX. This caused Verizon to bolt Wi-MAX. Their clout plus the emerging Cingular/ATT network caused Sprint to realize they couldn't pull this off and they also bolted. That enabled LTE to gain critical mass and LTE-A to become the IP of cellular networks. With the problem becoming usable cellular bandwidth, and with a usable de facto worldwide standard for wireless communication, the FCC and similar organizations could now force out the 3G and earlier technologies that were tying up bandwidth. Because CDMA is locked to the wireless network vendor and cannot be shared, it is logical for it to be the first on the chopping block. There are no longer any Wi-MAX phones, but Clearwire, who was and is many years ahead, has gone on to provide the wireless matrix for many of the largest cities around the world with user technologies at their perimeter, of which 5G is one. GSM's claim to fame has never been one of technical superiority, it has been openness and interoperability. However, the US did something similar when it developed the DARPANET/INTERNET by not allowing proprietary protocols and building out IP.

When I updated my S7 to Oreo, I liked the improvements over Nougat, but there were still a lot of things with the OS that needed tweaking, with frameworks like Exposed or Substratum. But with third-party options like that, the problem is diverging development, late bug-fixes, and generally dealing with a certain amount of brokenness. I think Android+Samsung OS has evolved well, to the point where PieOneUI is the first system that I don't mind not rooting or need to heavily tweak. Dark mode is a big part of that. I HATE WHITE APPS. I think Android 10 with OneUI is going to be quite good.
All that said, I agree with IT, and I don't like the GOOG having this much control. I do wish we had a much more open and community driven OS.
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dave678 said:
I just hate the look and no AM or PM.
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AM or PM? ruserious?
Now that you pointed it out, I might have to roll back to Oreo! Oh wait, I can look out the window.
To me, this OS feels like less is more. It's clean, it's laid out sensibly. (unbranded no carrier bloat + tmobile + Nova Prime also helps). There is a Note9 OneUI port for the S7, which has made my S7 almost perfect now.

gruuvin said:
When I updated my S7 to Oreo, I liked the improvements over Nougat, but there were still a lot of things with the OS that needed tweaking, with frameworks like Exposed or Substratum. But with third-party options like that, the problem is diverging development, late bug-fixes, and generally dealing with a certain amount of brokenness. I think Android+Samsung OS has evolved well, to the point where PieOneUI is the first system that I don't mind not rooting or need to heavily tweak. Dark mode is a big part of that. I HATE WHITE APPS. I think Android 10 with OneUI is going to be quite good.
All that said, I agree with IT, and I don't like the GOOG having this much control. I do wish we had a much more open and community driven OS.
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AM or PM? ruserious?
Now that you pointed it out, I might have to roll back to Oreo! Oh wait, I can look out the window.
To me, this OS feels like less is more. It's clean, it's laid out sensibly. (unbranded no carrier bloat + tmobile + Nova Prime also helps). There is a Note9 OneUI port for the S7, which has made my S7 almost perfect now.
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Ahh the old look out the window comment. You live in Alaska you're ****ed so you need AM and PM. Also it's on phones for years until the notch trend rolled in and they axed it. If it's useless then why did so many people beg Samsung to bring it back during the Pie beta test?