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Keep all android L talk in here to avoid confusion
When? *-*
Velcis Ribeiro said:
When? *-*
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6 months to 1 year later since the day the Google officially rolled out L version
Velcis Ribeiro said:
When? *-*
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Probably around 3 months after Google releases it, but they say they changed the release method to this new one to allow faster updates for OEMs.
babygau said:
6 months to 1 year later since the day the Google officially rolled out L version
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Nice try, troll.
This is my first SamSung phone. If the phone doesn't get supported for at least 3 years, this will be my last SamSung phone for sure
babygau said:
This is my first SamSung phone. If the phone doesn't get supported for at least 3 years, this will be my last SamSung phone for sure
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You may start thinking about other manufacturers at this time. 2 years max you may get for any mobile in today's market.
http://www.candywarehouse.com/assets/item/regular/nestle-lion-bar-131851-im.jpg Android Lion mabie?
Random news about L version i just read. Posting as there aint much in this thread.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2391020/google-paves-way-for-64bit-android-l-devices-by-year-end.html
babygau said:
This is my first SamSung phone. If the phone doesn't get supported for at least 3 years, this will be my last SamSung phone for sure
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Not even Nexus devices get support for such a long time. You can't be for real.
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Not even Nexus devices get support for such a long time. You can't be for real.
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That's what I literally mean :silly:
I question mark the Android lifecycle support policies generally and SamSung specifically. As you're all aware of that if you're Windows Phone or iOS user, you will get the best of it for at least 4 years :good:
In terms of visual design, what is most likely going to change when Samsung puts Touchwiz on it? Do you think most of the card style interface will remain? what about the bright contrasting colour theme?
babygau said:
This is my first SamSung phone. If the phone doesn't get supported for at least 3 years, this will be my last SamSung phone for sure
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I accidentally hit the thanks button...
You should probably get an iPhone
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In terms of visual design, what is most likely going to change when Samsung puts Touchwiz on it? Do you think most of the card style interface will remain? what about the bright contrasting colour theme?
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I assume not much since Google is doing its best to limit OEM skinning on android
Guys its too soon to talk about Android L now cuz it is still under development from google and after its release in Fall as they assume, Samsung will then take it and develop it itself to be compatible with touchwiz and all bloat ware then test and then release to public and in phases not all at once.
I assume it will take 6 to 7 months, maybe when S6 arrives will arrive with new android L.
I plan to start development for auto extension of L. However I am curious about supporting it from car makers. Did Google already shared info which maker will make HU compatible with Android L? What kind of interface do they plan to use? I assume BT isn't sufficient for transferring video.
1. Brightness slider in notification bar
2. Battery saver
3. Pop-up notification
4. DND
5. Knox
^^ All these above are already present in many Samsung phone. Stock Android have lot of catching up to do with OEM software in terms of actual usability.
UI tweaks for me is the last thing I am worried about.
Zachinater said:
I assume not much since Google is doing its best to limit OEM skinning on android
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This is only for Android Wear, TV and Auto.
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This is only for Android Wear, TV and Auto.
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However they are requiring all OEMs to have all the features from android L present in their skins. This might transfer over to the new layering design of android L
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However they are requiring all OEMs to have all the features from android L present in their skins. This might transfer over to the new layering design of android L
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Sure but Google's still playing catch up with OEMs' skins. My guess is that we won't see much of a difference in appearance, but we'll have awesome performance on Samsung's top hardware.
"Android L Lets You Keep Your Home Wi-Fi Password Secret"
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/android-l-secure-wifi-sharing,news-19079.html
babygau said:
That's what I literally mean :silly:
I question mark the Android lifecycle support policies generally and SamSung specifically. As you're all aware of that if you're Windows Phone or iOS user, you will get the best of it for at least 4 years :good:
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Which windows phones have been proven to be updated for such a long time? If I remember correctly none of their phones could go from 7 to 8 lol. Anyway, most people only keep their phones for 2 years, so the requirement of 4 years is a bit mad....
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Hey guys, just a quick question, is Cataclysm rom built off of a genuine stock system.img like the ones hosted on the google dev site? Or is some of it AOSP based? And if it is from stock genuine Android, isn't there some kind of legal issue with that? Just wondering this, I use Cataclysm and I LOVE IT! It's my daily driver! Thanks all!
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Hey guys, just a quick question, is Cataclysm rom built off of a genuine stock system.img like the ones hosted on the google dev site? Or is some of it AOSP based? And if it is from stock genuine Android, isn't there some kind of legal issue with that? Just wondering this, I use Cataclysm and I LOVE IT! It's my daily driver! Thanks all!
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The dev had an explanation of how it worked on the original thread. Android is open source and google releases sources for all the nexus devices and they also conveniently package them into flashable images to fix things. There was at least 1 release where the dev had to wait for the source to come out even though the factory images were out in order to do anything. So in short no there's no legal issue. The dev used open source files and modified them for non-profit. The reason no one else really does that type of mod is due to the fact that AOSP mods are widespread and people can just use others' code to incorporate them into the rom (or just use CM). Or if the dev is particularly dedicated then they might use an AOSP base because they want to keep up with all the bleeding edge enhancements to android which may or may not have any real benefit. When you target just 1 device by using its stock rom source then the mods have to be made for specifically that device (and why would anyone create code for 1 device when they could just use what works on virtually all devices) though the Nexuses are evidently similar enough to port between them hence the N5, 6, 5x, and 6p versions. The use of the stock source however meant that you kept the "rock solid stability" that Google's team of software engineers created so the dev could focus on adding features because the base he was working on was solid.
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The dev had an explanation of how it worked on the original thread. Android is open source and google releases sources for all the nexus devices and they also conveniently package them into flashable images to fix things. There was at least 1 release where the dev had to wait for the source to come out even though the factory images were out in order to do anything. So in short no there's no legal issue. The dev used open source files and modified them for non-profit. The reason no one else really does that type of mod is due to the fact that AOSP mods are widespread and people can just use others' code to incorporate them into the rom (or just use CM). When you target just 1 device by using its stock rom source then the mods have to be made for specifically that device (and why would anyone create code for 1 device when they could just use what works on virtually all devices) though the Nexuses are evidently similar enough to port between them hence the N5, 6, 5x, and 6p versions. The use of the stock source however meant that you kept the "rock solid stability" that Google's team of software engineers created so the dev could focus on adding features because the base he was working on was solid.
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So all in all, Cataclysm is using stock Android and not AOSP, but done in a way that there are no legal issues? So in essence, flashing the system.img file from the dev site and adding Cataclysm mod to it is the the exact same difference as using the full Cataclysm installer? No AOSP added?
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.... "rock solid stability" that Google's team of software engineers created
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That has a price:
- white ui, grey text on white bad readable; especially with sunlight;
- white background causes battery drain on amoled displays;
- pesky search bar; not removable or change to transparent;
- no option to change to a dark theme;
- N6 full resolution 2560 x 1440 not used;
- N6 native resolution = 493. G. sets it to 560 dpi;
- no option to kill running apps;
- code to use layers can't be used without rooting;
- G-apps not predestinated for layers.....etc.
NLBeev said:
That has a price:
- white ui, grey text on white bad readable; especially with sunlight;
- white background causes battery drain on amoled displays;
- pesky search bar; not removable or change to transparent;
- no option to change to a dark theme;
- N6 full resolution 2560 x 1440 not used;
- N6 native resolution = 493. G. sets it to 560 dpi;
- no option to kill running apps;
- code to use layers can't be used without rooting;
- G-apps not predestinated for layers.....etc.
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Yes but would you rather not have something solid for people to build on? some of those things aren't even about stability... like the full resolution thing? assuming you're referring to onscreen buttons, and DPI is always on every device set in multiples of 80 for app standardization reasons. The overlay code for layers wasn't intended to be used for theming. Hence why google only used it for stuff like the ATT boot animation. and Google's apps and OS are separate and shouldn't be expected to adhere to a modding community's theme engine that they don't support. And dark themes were probably a design decision rather than actual stability issue.
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.....some of those things aren't even about stability... like the full resolution thing?....
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You're right my list is not about stability only.
Using the N6 now for more than a year. I've seen a beta version with a dark theme, but it was removed. Why? Stability issues ?
To make the N6 acceptable for my daily use, especially battery life and readability, I had to change a lot of things. That has consequences for the stability. The N6 is still stable but I wouldn't say rock stable.
So all in all cataclysm is built using real Android? The main question in this thread lol But yea, AOSP does have it pros and cons as well as stock, I have to play devils advocate here and say that all roms do have their differences.
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So all in all cataclysm is built using real Android? The main question in this thread lol But yea, AOSP does have it pros and cons as well as stock, I have to play devils advocate here and say that all roms do have their differences.
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Yes what he did was use the stock android package. But make no mistake. AOSP is the real android. There are very few diff between what google releases and AOSP. The main diff is thie closed sourced stuff Google adds.
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Yes what he did was use the stock android package. But make no mistake. AOSP is the real android. There are very few diff between what google releases and AOSP. The main diff is thie closed sourced stuff Google adds.
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Thanks! I was never sure just how much stuff is taken out of AOSP, but it's just small differences then. Glad I know that now! And hey, since we're on the subject, how are gapps legal? Aren't gapps those closed source bits that google DOES omit from AOSP? Play store and background things? Like, I know there's some legal thing where gapps shouldn't be preinstalled in an AOSP rom, but what's the grey area with gapps? Thanks again for the detailed description! Learning these things is good lol
If you have a look around, legal means very little here.
Google has only issued a C&D order to CM to not enclude it in their roms. This is why no aosp has them built in by default.
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If you have a look around, legal means very little here.
Google has only issued a C&D order to CM to not enclude it in their roms. This is why no aosp has them built in by default.
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LOL I had a feeling that was the case here on XDA haha but I love Android and the development is HUGE! No other mobile OS can match Google's Android! Thanks for answering my questions man! Appreciate the help! Have a good rest of the night! Or day depending on where you're from, I'm from USA lol
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LOL I had a feeling that was the case here on XDA haha but I love Android and the development is HUGE! No other mobile OS can match Google's Android! Thanks for answering my questions man! Appreciate the help! Have a good rest of the night! Or day depending on where you're from, I'm from USA lol
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Im in the US as well. Well kinda lol I live in Alaska.
Yes it is but that might becoming to an end soon. With more and more people closing off their source. This is a good and bad thing. We will see what happens. Also more and more OEM are gonna lock down their devices so people will have to pic. Things like mobile pay or modding their device.
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Im in the US as well. Well kinda lol I live in Alaska.
Yes it is but that might becoming to an end soon. With more and more people closing off their source. This is a good and bad thing. We will see what happens. Also more and more OEM are gonna lock down their devices so people will have to pic. Things like mobile pay or modding their device.
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Yea it's awful that people are making everything closed source! I'm a person who loves to tinker with my things, modded game consoles and phones and all, my hobby haha I just hope Android always stays open source! AOSP anyways. And are they starting to make Android devices more secure and non moddable? I hope the Nexus line always stays developer friendly, because I bought a Nexus for the sake of tinkering with it lol
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Yea it's awful that people are making everything closed source! I'm a person who loves to tinker with my things, modded game consoles and phones and all, my hobby haha I just hope Android always stays open source! AOSP anyways. And are they starting to make Android devices more secure and non moddable? I hope the Nexus line always stays developer friendly, because I bought a Nexus for the sake of tinkering with it lol
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Honestly. It because of script kiddies. The ones that just build from others source and post roms. Doing nothing but changing some text. To be honest all it would take is Google to stop pushing code to aosp. Android development would die off at that point.
Yeah if you look at things like Samsung, some devices are not even rootable, Sony, if you unlock the bootloader you lose the camera functions, even China based companies are locking bootloaders. Xiaomi just started doing this and have refused to give some the unlock because it goes against their business plan.
As for the nexus. We should be OK but then you have things like the Mm kernel that was a pain to get root on. And you lose mobile payments. Also more and more apps are looking for things like root and xposed and then refusing to work if they are installed.
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Honestly. It because of script kiddies. The ones that just build from others source and post roms. Doing nothing but changing some text. To be honest all it would take is Google to stop pushing code to aosp. Android development would die off at that point.
Yeah if you look at things like Samsung, some devices are not even rootable, Sony, if you unlock the bootloader you lose the camera functions, even China based companies are locking bootloaders. Xiaomi just started doing this and have refused to give some the unlock because it goes against their business plan.
As for the nexus. We should be OK but then you have things like the Mm kernel that was a pain to get root on. And you lose mobile payments. Also more and more apps are looking for things like root and xposed and then refusing to work if they are installed.
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I've definitely heard of apps looking for root and for xposed framework (both of which I can't live without and use), and a lot of phones from certain companies are completely out of my interest because of no moddability. I wonder if it's even possible to root newer Samsung phones because of Knox security, and I won't even touch an Xperia, I've heard that they merge a lot of partitions, like boot and recovery and things like that, too confusing and not worth it to me. I just hope Android development stays strong in the Nexus scene at least, I love my Nexus!
Also, why do almost all AOSP ROMs have the "KitKat" sounds? Is that just what's released in AOSP? The "knocking" sounds I mean.
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Also, why do almost all AOSP ROMs have the "KitKat" sounds? Is that just what's released in AOSP? The "knocking" sounds I mean.
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To be honest I never noticed. I don't use any of the stock sounds.
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I've definitely heard of apps looking for root and for xposed framework (both of which I can't live without and use), and a lot of phones from certain companies are completely out of my interest because of no moddability. I wonder if it's even possible to root newer Samsung phones because of Knox security, and I won't even touch an Xperia, I've heard that they merge a lot of partitions, like boot and recovery and things like that, too confusing and not worth it to me. I just hope Android development stays strong in the Nexus scene at least, I love my Nexus!
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I dont think the Nexus line will see many issues other then root becoming harder to get.
Some Samsung devices cant be rooted. Like my buddy that is a samsung fan has a note 4, note 5 and a few Galaxy s5 in his house and all of them are locked down.
More and more people are too worried about things like warranty to even bother really. I even waited on updating the n6 until root was gotten for it.
Pretty sure those can be rooted but you trip Knox which voids warranty. I haven't looked at Sammy phones since I had my S4 but I know the Note 4 and S5 had ROMs.
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Pretty sure those can be rooted but you trip Knox which voids warranty. I haven't looked at Sammy phones since I had my S4 but I know the Note 4 and S5 had ROMs.
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Nope no root for the note 5. Only some can be. The tmobile version doesn't lock the bootloader but the rest do.
As tripping Knox is not an option for many as it voids their warranty but flashing roms does that anyway.
I've given Samsung (and Google) the benefit of the doubt and tried their new phone and new UI software. I returned my S10 and reverted my Note 9 back to Oreo. Now life makes sense again for me. I'm also someone who's guilty of impulse purchases. I'm trying to be better about that. Mobile tech can be addicting.
The new UI on the Note 9 feels like it's been crippled. Like Google, and to a certain extent Samsung, are inching closer and closer to Apple territory. Meaning that they are removing more and more features away and pushing users into tighter boxes. Call recording apps, theming apps, greater control over GPS settings, greater control over camera settings, easier to understand camera settings, and just other faux improvements that leave users feeling like they're using a half-baked OS.
The S10 was fine enough but without the features and apps that I've grown to dearly depend on my Oreo Note 9, I couldn't live with it. It makes me realize that there is no hope that such apps and features will ever make it to the new Note later this fall either.
Not without root. And that means that unless I want to keep this Oreo Note 9 for the rest of its life, any future Note device will have to be Exynos. Which makes me a bit disappointed because the SD chips have been bringing some great features to these phones. But we will never be able to count on reliable unlocking of SD Samsung phones here in North America so from now on it's Exynos for me because I will be relying on root access to get the features that I want but more importantly the features that I NEED.
I'm curious if anyone else feels the same way about this. About Oreo and the direction Samsung and Google are moving from here. I just wish we could stay on Oreo and continue getting security patches and other bug fixes along the way. Without being forced to switch to Pie. I will never understand this need among some users to quickly update to the latest OS version. They feel content to live with bugs in order to use some new features? An OS that's not fully baked in? That's good for them? I don't get it. Not that I'm supposed to get it. Just saying, it seems irrational to me. But that's me.
Something needs to change. Samsung and other parties need to come together and agree to let us unlock and root our phones. If we buy these phones outright, unlocked and outside of carriers, we deserve to do whatever we want with them. And that includes unlocking and rooting. Something needs to give. For a while there, Samsung seemed to be looking at the things people were rooting for and introducing them on their next phones.
But now, it feels like they've moving in the opposite direction. I fear that Samsung will no longer be known as the manufacture that gives its users more features than they need and more options to customize their smartphone experience. It feels as if those days are now over and we will be forced to just accept whatever Samsung gives us out of the box.
Not unlike what iPhone users are forced to do with their smartphone experience.
Long live Oreo! Long live the Note 9!
Why not sell it and get n9600? Snapdragon and rootable.
Best of both worlds.
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I've given Samsung (and Google) the benefit of the doubt and tried their new phone and new UI software. I returned my S10 and reverted my Note 9 back to Oreo. Now life makes sense again for me. I'm also someone who's guilty of impulse purchases. I'm trying to be better about that. Mobile tech can be addicting.
The new UI on the Note 9 feels like it's been crippled. Like Google, and to a certain extent Samsung, are inching closer and closer to Apple territory. Meaning that they are removing more and more features away and pushing users into tighter boxes. Call recording apps, theming apps, greater control over GPS settings, greater control over camera settings, easier to understand camera settings, and just other faux improvements that leave users feeling like they're using a half-baked OS.
The S10 was fine enough but without the features and apps that I've grown to dearly depend on my Oreo Note 9, I couldn't live with it. It makes me realize that there is no hope that such apps and features will ever make it to the new Note later this fall either.
Not without root. And that means that unless I want to keep this Oreo Note 9 for the rest of its life, any future Note device will have to be Exynos. Which makes me a bit disappointed because the SD chips have been bringing some great features to these phones. But we will never be able to count on reliable unlocking of SD Samsung phones here in North America so from now on it's Exynos for me because I will be relying on root access to get the features that I want but more importantly the features that I NEED.
I'm curious if anyone else feels the same way about this. About Oreo and the direction Samsung and Google are moving from here. I just wish we could stay on Oreo and continue getting security patches and other bug fixes along the way. Without being forced to switch to Pie. I will never understand this need among some users to quickly update to the latest OS version. They feel content to live with bugs in order to use some new features? An OS that's not fully baked in? That's good for them? I don't get it. Not that I'm supposed to get it. Just saying, it seems irrational to me. But that's me.
Something needs to change. Samsung and other parties need to come together and agree to let us unlock and root our phones. If we buy these phones outright, unlocked and outside of carriers, we deserve to do whatever we want with them. And that includes unlocking and rooting. Something needs to give. For a while there, Samsung seemed to be looking at the things people were rooting for and introducing them on their next phones.
But now, it feels like they've moving in the opposite direction. I fear that Samsung will no longer be known as the manufacture that gives its users more features than they need and more options to customize their smartphone experience. It feels as if those days are now over and we will be forced to just accept whatever Samsung gives us out of the box.
Not unlike what iPhone users are forced to do with their smartphone experience.
Long live Oreo! Long live the Note 9!
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so what apps made it so that you had to go back to a device supporting oreo?
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so what apps made it so that you had to go back to a device supporting oreo?
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Call recording being the biggest one and overall smaller ways in which the OS is laid out. Like with the camera settings and notifications work.
Not with you on this.
I quite like OneUI.
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Not with you on this.
I quite like OneUI.
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That's fair. We're all different.
Bought my Note 9 when One UI was just released. Had a lot of trouble with several key apps (banking, mail, weather and some news apps). Had crashes and graphical glitches almost every day and every week a "fatal" crash were I had to restart my Note with a button combination. I was thinking about returning my device. Kept is and installed the latest Oreo 8.1 version. Almost all software problems are gone. For 3 days not a single crash. Keep my fingers crossed
dont know if you guys side loaded the beta update but on a fresh pie install, not updated, i dont have any of the issues reported.
i have to say my experience is totally different. I think OneUI is fantastic and a major differentiator. i think samsung has taken the OS and built on it. I am a phone junkie and regularly look to buy other devices, but this is the first time im sticking to Samsung not only because of HW but now SW.
I'm a happy camper with One UI. Not gonna lie, I loved how Oreo on note 9 looked. But I'm guilty of upgrading phones twice every year. A fresh look gives me no reason to upgrade to S10 lol. I'll wait till note 10 comes out.
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dont know if you guys side loaded the beta update but on a fresh pie install, not updated, i dont have any of the issues reported.
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No. My Note upgraded to Pie/One UI immediately after talking it out of the box and setting it up. My user experience with the Note is One Ui only. I've factory reset (deleting data and settings) my Note four times (installed a different set of apps every time) and didn't use a backup (coming from an iPhone) so it was a 100% fresh install. The problems started the same evening, the first crash was within a few hours. With Oreo i'm missing a few features (night mode and lift to wake for example). One Ui is definitely looking more polished.
Friendly reminder, the only constant in the technology world is change. Anyway, Pie takes some getting use to and my biggest complaint is notifications have stopped while my screen is off. I still get calls and texts, but everything else stopped. Android called it Doze and change is inevitable.
https://developer.android.com/training/monitoring-device-state/doze-standby
I like one UI a lot. It's very modern and fluid. I don't have many issues with it. I've disabled updates, though, hoping for root to come soon so I can flash even better customized one UI roms and remove the crap they include permanently instead of just disabling it. That way the phone is lighter and the processor wouldn't have to work as hard.
I get your points, though.
I think I'll go back to Oreo also can't stand not to have my notifications play through the phone when connected to Bluetooth miss way to many notifications. I have to turn off media playback on bluetooth to have notifications play on the phone, and when playing Spotify the notifications interrupt the music hate that.
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I think I'll go back to Oreo also can't stand not to have my notifications play through the phone when connected to Bluetooth miss way to many notifications. I have to turn off media playback on bluetooth to have notifications play on the phone, and when playing Spotify the notifications interrupt the music hate that.
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Finally someone else that has this issue. I thought I was only one..lol
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE
butchieboy said:
Finally someone else that has this issue. I thought I was only one..lol
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I did, too, but never paid attention to it and I like it actually. I think it was done purposely so people don't text or check their social media and drive. Phone calls come through no problem.
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Finally someone else that has this issue. I thought I was only one..lol
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE
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And you of all people shouldn't be texting while driving, and you know why. [emoji23]
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I did, too, but never paid attention to it and I like it actually. I think it was done purposely so people don't text or check their social media and drive. Phone calls come through no problem.
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Lol...I dont kind sir.
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Lol...I dont kind sir.
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Mhm. I "believe" you. Then why were you concerned about the notifications going through your BT in the car? Haha
To each their own. I'm too old and way too busy now to deal with rooting, customizing, etc. Used to spend hours on it when I was in my 20s, the results were always disappointing. I have only a few requirents. The phone has to be secure (my corporate access apps and email account will not work on a rooted phone), reliable, and I have to have a way to set default apps. Camera has to be good but I don't care much for too many camera features or pro mode. I have a full frame dslr for when I want to take real pictures. And I really don't give a crap about filters. Never used them and never will.
So, apple is out of the question mainly because I can't set default apps (open Google maps instead of Apple maps for example), but I honestly think they are overpriced for substandard tech. And I can't think of any iPhone that comes close to the battery life of the note 9.
In summary, looking back, I don't miss having an unlocked bootloader phone. In fact, I can't think of a single good reason to root anymore. None of the custom roms or kernels are actually an improvement, and in my experience, they never have been. I actually like the new android.
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To each their own. I'm too old and way too busy now to deal with rooting, customizing, etc. Used to spend hours on it when I was in my 20s, the results were always disappointing. I have only a few requirents. The phone has to be secure (my corporate access apps and email account will not work on a rooted phone), reliable, and I have to have a way to set default apps. Camera has to be good but I don't care much for too many camera features or pro mode. I have a full frame dslr for when I want to take real pictures. And I really don't give a crap about filters. Never used them and never will.
So, apple is out of the question mainly because I can't set default apps (open Google maps instead of Apple maps for example), but I honestly think they are overpriced for substandard tech. And I can't think of any iPhone that comes close to the battery life of the note 9.
In summary, looking back, I don't miss having an unlocked bootloader phone. In fact, I can't think of a single good reason to root anymore. None of the custom roms or kernels are actually an improvement, and in my experience, they never have been. I actually like the new android.
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Not disagreeing with you but there certainly are still some good reasons (in my opinion) for rooting.
Disabled high volume warrning with headphones (I personally found this very annoying)
System wide ad blocking
More efficient kernels
Use of Samsung's built-in call recorder
Battery charge limiting
The option to install AOSP based ROMs (Although the lack of HWC means battery life is poor)
Biometric unlock after reboot
More theming options
Use any app with the dual app tool
I've owned 2 Red Magic 3 devices. Not dissatisfied with my purchases, aside from some annoying software choices like lack of gesture navigation, etc. But I'm surprised that there aren't more people here talking about the fact that the Red Magic 3/3S will NOT be getting a single major software update to Android 10. The Red Magic 5G Global version has been sent to numerous YouTube reviewers and it comes with Android 10. Doesn't seem like it would be that difficult to get it running on the 3/3S. But I guess when you pay bare bones prices, you can't expect software support. Latest security patch released for the RM3 USA model was dated August, 2019. PATHETIC.
I've been thinking of the same off late, bar rm3 which released last May, it would still be very unfair on their latest release rm3s which had only update patch.
Even if we leave behind the major updates, nubia is still so bad at releasing security patches for rm3/3s.
For what we've paid, we definitely cannot compromise on the software with xiaomi and asus offering much better support for their respective black shark and rog phones. Would never come back to nubia again.
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I've owned 2 Red Magic 3 devices. Not dissatisfied with my purchases, aside from some annoying software choices like lack of gesture navigation, etc. But I'm surprised that there aren't more people here talking about the fact that the Red Magic 3/3S will NOT be getting a single major software update to Android 10. The Red Magic 5G Global version has been sent to numerous YouTube reviewers and it comes with Android 10. Doesn't seem like it would be that difficult to get it running on the 3/3S. But I guess when you pay bare bones prices, you can't expect software support.
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Do like me, I will never buy something from that brand again!
FYI the Android 10 on the RM5G has issues and the phone flat out sucks. I have had it for a while now. It will be the worse gaming phone of 2020.
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slaphappy454 said:
FYI the Android 10 on the RM5G has issues and the phone flat out sucks. I have had it for a while now. It will be the worse gaming phone of 2020.
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This brand is garbage!
Nubia Never Again!
You should probably go cry somewhere else. I don't want Android 10. I didn't update to 9 on my old Oneplus 6. And I am not updating to Windows 10.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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You should probably go cry somewhere else. I don't want Android 10. I didn't update to 9 on my old Oneplus 6. And I am not updating to Windows 10.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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It is broke, ever heard of security patches?
vibraniumdroid said:
It is broke, ever heard of security patches?
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Ever hear of pornhub?
slaphappy454 said:
FYI the Android 10 on the RM5G has issues and the phone flat out sucks. I have had it for a while now. It will be the worse gaming phone of 2020.
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Can you give any more details? Just curious what issues you are having with their Android 10 build. I've seen some YouTube reviews on the device and it seemed to work ok for the most part.
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Can you give any more details? Just curious what issues you are having with their Android 10 build. I've seen some YouTube reviews on the device and it seemed to work ok for the most part.
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Yeah that's on the RM5G. And is has trigger issues and a few other issues. That's not on the RM3 and RM3S.
bignazpwns said:
Yeah that's on the RM5G. And is has trigger issues and a few other issues. That's not on the RM3 and RM3S.
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Can you explain about those trigger problems? You mean accidently touching them?
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I've owned 2 Red Magic 3 devices. Not dissatisfied with my purchases, aside from some annoying software choices like lack of gesture navigation, etc. But I'm surprised that there aren't more people here talking about the fact that the Red Magic 3/3S will NOT be getting a single major software update to Android 10. The Red Magic 5G Global version has been sent to numerous YouTube reviewers and it comes with Android 10. Doesn't seem like it would be that difficult to get it running on the 3/3S. But I guess when you pay bare bones prices, you can't expect software support. Latest security patch released for the RM3 USA model was dated August, 2019. PATHETIC.
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No updates of security patch or Android version.
Impossible to talk to them, they release phones and then forget about them.
Don't make this mistake again.
Switch form ONEPLUS to Nubia what a quality difference, support and updates.
Happy Eastern...
Look up trigger problems. It's very well documented across pretty much every phone they sell with triggers.
OnePlus has crap quality as well. They just atleast atemp to fix stuff. Nubia at best may sell about 10,000 units total per device. Probably lower but the amount they sell is nothing. From some sales numbers no can tell you on eBay the ROG2 sold 8 to 1 vs the RM3S month to month. You get what you pay for. They won't ever release that update because if they do there is absolutely no reason to buy the RM5G.
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No updates of security patch or Android version.
Impossible to talk to them, they release phones and then forget about them.
Don't make this mistake again.
Switch form ONEPLUS to Nubia what a quality difference, support and updates.
Happy Eastern...
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They literally updated the phone 3 times until every bug was fixed to their, and my, satisfaction.
Remember that this is a gaming phone. And what do you expect from it? It doesn't need to be running the latest android versions.
What it needs is stability.
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FYI the Android 10 on the RM5G has issues and the phone flat out sucks. I have had it for a while now. It will be the worse gaming phone of 2020.
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They literally updated the phone 3 times until every bug was fixed to their, and my, satisfaction.
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Yeah? How are the navigation gestures working for you??? Oh wait... THERE ARE NONE! Because this feature which is BAKED INTO Android Pie doesn't work on this phone! They force you to use the antiquated 3 button navigation! This is just one of a ton of issues.
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Yeah? How are the navigation gestures working for you??? Oh wait... THERE ARE NONE! Because this feature which is BAKED INTO Android Pie doesn't work on this phone! They force you to use the antiquated 3 button navigation! This is just one of a ton of issues.
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Funny you should ask, bro. I was just considering buying a Realme X50 Pro 5G for my gf, and I had to google if the navigation buttons were available in Android 10. Thankfully, they are. Enjoy your stupid gestures, I'll stick with my buttons. They are far superior to your gestures - instead of swiping, I can... gasp, click! Instead of swiping and holding, I can... gasp, click! Maybe I am just lazy - do more with less effort.
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Funny you should ask, bro. I was just considering buying a Realme X50 Pro 5G for my gf, and I had to google if the navigation buttons were available in Android 10. Thankfully, they are. Enjoy your stupid gestures, I'll stick with my buttons. They are far superior to your gestures - instead of swiping, I can... gasp, click! Instead of swiping and holding, I can... gasp, click! Maybe I am just lazy - do more with less effort.
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Yep. And enjoy the fact that you're getting way less screen real estate since your buttons will be occupying it. ??
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Yep. And enjoy the fact that you're getting way less screen real estate since your buttons will be occupying it. ?
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Hah. Real estate, eh? I put things to make me comfortable on my real estate.
Speaking of real estate. Do you know why you would even have "more" screen real estate on your phone? Around the time of Galaxy s8, 2016-2017 or so, phone manufacturers started to remove physical navigation buttons on phones. So they changed the screen aspect ratio from a standard 16:9 to something longer, 19:9 or so, to add more space for software buttons.
So you see, the reason why you even have more estate is because it was designed to contain those navigation buttons.
To this date, I don't really use or know any apps that can benefit from that space in any significant way. Even in landscape mode, RM3 puts the software buttons on the long side, where they were designed to go in the first place.
Shin025 said:
Remember that this is a gaming phone. And what do you expect from it? It doesn't need to be running the latest android versions.
What it needs is stability.
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Problem with Nubia is they are not community driven. What OnePlus did good was listening to customer reviews, suggestions and doing something for it.
Being gaming phone doesn't mean this brand can't give basic things. No security patches, No bug fixes, No fixes to their own gaming software.
Worst phone launch preps in India: I was not able to buy official accesories in India like Back cover, Docker not even Front screen protector. Bought everything from Ali express.
I have sent tones of emails to Nubia regarding bugs and trigger issues (it still is an issue on my phone), but there is no issue acknowledgment.
I even remember when they launched `Red magic time` I notified them with issues and they said there was no software release from their side.
Being a gaming phone it doesn't even do what it's built for (except for good thermals due to fan). Let me list some of them out -
Game Space (Gamer oriented stuff) -
1. It is built to enable fan, set performance, it doesn't let me record using red magic time when I want (crappy auto record feature). And it doesn't even record my in game voice (great thing for a gamer right?).
2. I have the 12 GB ram version of RM3, and when I start recording frame rate of game drops so bad that it makes me doubt that my other 6 gb ram might be watching pornhub in the background. (So no recording, for better fps. Good for gamer).
3. Trigger problems have made me disable it, not only it starts auto firing but clicking on my screen anywhere makes my trigger touch. Screen becomes hang (great for gamers i guess).
4. In game space, sometimes I am not able to open my notification panel, regardless of pulling it down with all my 10 fingers.
Camera (is not for gamers right?) -
1. I think they good hardware, but their software is the worst (and their excuse is it is gaming phone).
2. Slow motion recording, enabling it makes camera dark AF!!
Android auto -
Even smaller phones like Nokia support it but not Nubia (guess what it's a gaming phone)
Lock screen -
In a day or 2 my phone shows lock on my phone which I can't unlock with my correct pin, re-start is required.
Navigation -
Having no navigation gestures is not a deal breaker for me but no customisation for chaging position of buttons is what makes me sad. I think it was available in my OnePlus One which ran on kitkat.
Android Updates -
Every manufacturer usually follows a 18 months update cycle, where user expects software updates. Its not just about latest Android, what I expect is bug fixes, performance tweeks for games or community driven changes. (Which according to me Nubia is far away from).
Overall, I expected a lot of good things but was let down. Will not be recommending Nubia to anyone (which I was proud to, for OnePlus).
This post is not demand a build for our phone, this post is not to get anybody upset it is just a question that I've had for many years.
I've owned every single Nexus device up until the Nexus 6P, and have owned every single pixel device... I remember that with each Nexus phone the support scene was so robust that you look forward to a new phone to come out and see development on it...
For some reason pixel phones are one of the only phones that don't get love from any custom ROM development out there.. you see that lineage OS does not support our phone and has not supported our phone since the Pixel 1 officially. Paranoid Android has not supported our phone at all since the Pixel 1 , And the last official update from them was in 2017.. why is it that our phone being one of the latest phones does not get love?
The main thing that I've heard is that our phone is too expensive to build for, but I have seen the OnePlus 7 pro have vast support in the community and it is almost up there as far as pricing goes as the pixel.
I have always been one to contribute to donations or to work that's worth donating to, dirty unicorns has been a great ROM, but if you think about it our selection of ROMs can be counted with one hand .
Make Google phones great again!
I also believe the pixels don't attract the custom rom enthusiasts like us they are made & sold & marketed to people to be a iPhone competitor also I feel a lot of developers are getting older & many devs just support a few phones that's it & there are not as many devs on the scene like there were years ago unfortunately I remember have my OG Droid from Verizon the support was crazy unfortunately I feel we have to look at it this way its a end of a era for google phones sad to say
Those custom roms are made to make our experience feel like Pixel. They take here and there from pixel feature. Since we are using pixel software, so what the point of having the custom rom? Kernel is more important. Thanks god we have artemis and kiri. Soon we will have Proton or maybe Sultan.
Btw we dont have TWRP support while there is for OP7Pro. Install a custom rom or make one is pain in the ass.
Because they consistently don't live up to expectations. Everybody keeps waiting for them to live up to hype and at least attempt to challenge others with hardware or respond to feedback and they continue to ignore that feedback. it's still in all right device, I like it it's overpriced as hell and I'm glad I waited a few months to get it, still tempted by the OnePlus 8 pro after leaving my 7 pro for this.
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Because they consistently don't live up to expectations. Everybody keeps waiting for them to live up to hype and at least attempt to challenge others with hardware or respond to feedback and they continue to ignore that feedback. it's still in all right device, I like it it's overpriced as hell and I'm glad I waited a few months to get it, still tempted by the OnePlus 8 pro after leaving my 7 pro for this.
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Better off going back to the 7 pro.It jus got Dual boot twrp. I'm running Oos and lineage as of this writing tomorrow might be different :laugh: . I got a 3xl and it lost twrp after Android 9 you can fastboot boot it with half the functions not working the 7t the same way an id imagine 8 pro be the same. Only way to have fun with Magisk on the 3xl Android 10 is to be running a user-debug build. Without the debug build magisk will let you overlay the system an look at your data but that's bout it. The way things look nowadays looking alot more locked down then they used to wait til Android 11 hits even more so is the case. Now Google going to build their own chipset like Samsung with help from Samsung Which will bring us one more step closer to Google Fuschia instead of Android
ROMs in general have gone down hill.
The need for them isn't really there. Early on, Android phones had tons of issues, shortcoming and limitations... ROMs were a way around that, to get the phones to work the way we wanted and the way they should have come out of the box.
Now? Most phones are really good, and there's not much to improve. ROM's don't really have much to offer any more, other than to a shrinking pool of users who want to tweak their phones more than they actually USE their phones...
Adding upon all comments above one of the reason is people are stuck with IOS. They don't know the actual power of Android. Who ever tries the Android are forced to go back to ios again because lack of facetime and other apps that are only available only ios
alwynjoshy said:
Adding upon all comments above one of the reason is people are stuck with IOS. They don't know the actual power of Android. Who ever tries the Android are forced to go back to ios again because lack of facetime and other apps that are only available only ios
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Realistically, what's the power of android these days? Yes, you can tweak icons and the status bar and stuff, which 99.99% of phone owners don't care about...
The differences between the platforms isn't as great as it once was... I am on an iPhone 11 Pro at the moment and its a great phone... I want to come back to Android at some point but the watch situation on Android is a joke. And for the Pixels... they just never live up to the hype. I love Samsung, but updates still suck. There is OnePlus but some of the features like Wifi calling don't work on ATT half the time...
I prefer Android overall, but if you want the complete package with a good watch, Apple has the better package.
I had high hopes for Essential but we saw where that went...
I wish that Google would put out a pixel without giant bezels, that didn't have a last generation processor, etc... They will put out a phone in November that's using the same specs as phones that came out last month...
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Realistically, what's the power of android these days? Yes, you can tweak icons and the status bar and stuff, which 99.99% of phone owners don't care about...
The differences between the platforms isn't as great as it once was... I am on an iPhone 11 Pro at the moment and its a great phone... I want to come back to Android at some point but the watch situation on Android is a joke. And for the Pixels... they just never live up to the hype. I love Samsung, but updates still suck. There is OnePlus but some of the features like Wifi calling don't work on ATT half the time...
I prefer Android overall, but if you want the complete package with a good watch, Apple has the better package.
I had high hopes for Essential but we saw where that went...
I wish that Google would put out a pixel without giant bezels, that didn't have a last generation processor, etc... They will put out a phone in November that's using the same specs as phones that came out last month...
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There are few functions which apple cant replace using of Clone applications, Root functions apps, custom fonts and many
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There are few functions which apple cant replace using of Clone applications, Root functions apps, custom fonts and many
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Realistically, today, what does the average person need root access on their phone for? I haven't rooted or ROM'd in several years... The tinkerer in me wants to, but I never find any compelling reason to...
I just don't care enough about what font my Instagram icon uses...
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Realistically, today, what does the average person need root access on their phone for? I haven't rooted or ROM'd in several years... The tinkerer in me wants to, but I never find any compelling reason to...
I just don't care enough about what font my Instagram icon uses...
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my root need are viperfx, swift theme installer, fingerface , Sd maid ( save 2GB in every week when cleanup), etc
I have a Galaxy Note 10+. One of the heavy flagship phones from last year. There's about 3 ROMS and the communication in the threads is just about non-existent.
It's kinda sad because I remember my Note 4 having a ****load of AOSP ROM options and this phone has 1 that hasn't been updated in months. I would love to root/flash a ROM on my phone but I think the main thing is a lack of developers. Most have probably moved on and don't see a point in developing custom ROMs when most phones nowadays are capable of doing almost anything. The main reason I rooted/flashed ROMs was for the ability to customize my phone to my liking.
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I have a Galaxy Note 10+. One of the heavy flagship phones from last year. There's about 3 ROMS and the communication in the threads is just about non-existent.
It's kinda sad because I remember my Note 4 having a ****load of AOSP ROM options and this phone has 1 that hasn't been updated in months. I would love to root/flash a ROM on my phone but I think the main thing is a lack of developers. Most have probably moved on and don't see a point in developing custom ROMs when most phones nowadays are capable of doing almost anything. The main reason I rooted/flashed ROMs was for the ability to customize my phone to my liking.
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Exactly, and today, so many stock phones allow most of the customization that ROMs used to have to provide... And if not, install a different launcher and there are your themes...
i42o said:
This post is not demand a build for our phone, this post is not to get anybody upset it is just a question that I've had for many years.
I've owned every single Nexus device up until the Nexus 6P, and have owned every single pixel device... I remember that with each Nexus phone the support scene was so robust that you look forward to a new phone to come out and see development on it...
For some reason pixel phones are one of the only phones that don't get love from any custom ROM development out there.. you see that lineage OS does not support our phone and has not supported our phone since the Pixel 1 officially. Paranoid Android has not supported our phone at all since the Pixel 1 , And the last official update from them was in 2017.. why is it that our phone being one of the latest phones does not get love?
The main thing that I've heard is that our phone is too expensive to build for, but I have seen the OnePlus 7 pro have vast support in the community and it is almost up there as far as pricing goes as the pixel.
I have always been one to contribute to donations or to work that's worth donating to, dirty unicorns has been a great ROM, but if you think about it our selection of ROMs can be counted with one hand .
Make Google phones great again!
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IMO Pixels don’t have the fan base of the type of enthusiast that install custom ROMs and such. Higher spec phones like OnePlus and stuff like they are more heavily modded i feel like because those types of people are attracted to the specs. Pixels don’t have specs that are anything to write home about. Where as a OnePlus with 12GB of RAM is pretty impressive.
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IMO Pixels don’t have the fan base of the type of enthusiast that install custom ROMs and such. Higher spec phones like OnePlus and stuff like they are more heavily modded i feel like because those types of people are attracted to the specs. Pixels don’t have specs that are anything to write home about. Where as a OnePlus with 12GB of RAM is pretty impressive.
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That's probably it right there. The latest and greatest Pixel, uses specs that are already obsolete... Every year, they bring half year old specs and release their new phones with comparable specs to everyone else's specs that are already on the way out.
My thoughts below are mine, and mine only..
The reason you don't see as many custom roms here on xda imho is because it's no longer a hub that's a viable place for most roms to gain any value. the passion for development hasn't died. There are many great new features, and things users would love. Sure, the pixels are great out of the box, but you can say that for any flagship that has come out recently.
Don't get me wrong, xda is great, I'm just saying you shouldn't think devs and users have lost interest because their content isn't on xda.
I mean you're right,. It's different than the days of installing a ROM on a Droid x or something and actually seeing a notable difference between Moto blur and not. Or my note two with some of the different runs I could get on it. I don't know, I think I would like the freedom to make different apps different notifications so that I could customize notifications by app or by person a little easier for text messages. Little things like that that I feel like I used to get in some of those older arms but maybe not maybe I'm just misremembering or something.
Surge1223 said:
My thoughts below are mine, and mine only..
The reason you don't see as many custom roms here on xda imho is because it's no longer a hub that's a viable place for most roms to gain any value. the passion for development hasn't died. There are many great new features, and things users would love. Sure, the pixels are great out of the box, but you can say that for any flagship that has come out recently.
Don't get me wrong, xda is great, I'm just saying you shouldn't think devs and users have lost interest because their content isn't on xda.
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Where should one go to get ROM's for this device?
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Where should one go to get ROM's for this device?
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After hours of research I think I have found some in the ROM section of this forum
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After hours of research I think I have found some in the ROM section of this forum
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Why not try reading before you post, and make yourself look foolish.