Is this a lollipop rom for flex? - LG G Flex

http://www.upgrade-lollipop.org/mp3-0/lg-g-flex-5806.html
A friend of mine send this, but this can't be true now can it?
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Already discussed in Q&A section..
There are two links when u search on internet..
Both are scam by some poster..
Don't try it...
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Murshad007 said:
Already discussed in Q&A section..
There are two links when u search on internet..
Both are scam by some poster..
Don't try it...
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Are they gonna release a lollipop version? If not this will be my last LG phone.
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Yes, definitely...
In March April
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You forgot a "not"...you mean...yes, definitely not!

mckoffly said:
You forgot a "not"...you mean...yes, definitely not!
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I think he was responding to the comment just above him.

LG delays Lollipop on all phones due to 5.0 bugs...
G Flex and G2 will receive Lollipop update after G3...
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Murshad007 said:
LG delays Lollipop on all phones due to 5.0 bugs...
G Flex and G2 will receive Lollipop update after G3...
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Any credible source?

rotem07773 said:
Any credible source?
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http://lggflex2.com/andriod-5-0-lollipop-operating-system-delayed-on-all-lg-android-devices/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/android-5-0-lollipop-update-news/
http://www.latinospost.com/articles...-0-lollipop-release-date-download-list-lg.htm
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Murshad007 said:
http://lggflex2.com/andriod-5-0-lollipop-operating-system-delayed-on-all-lg-android-devices/
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No source at all
Murshad007 said:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/android-5-0-lollipop-update-news/
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They say: "We expect the G Pro 2, along with phones such as the G Flex, and the G3 Beat to be high up on the list.
Murshad007 said:
http://www.latinospost.com/articles...-0-lollipop-release-date-download-list-lg.htm
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They say: "LG phones that will probably get the update are: LG G3 S, LG G3 Beat, LG G3 Vigor, LG G2, LG G Pro 2, LG G Pro, and LG G Flex."
So no source says that Flex will get Lollipop for sure, only speculations...and it wont get Lollipop, trust me, this is not my first LG xD

G Flex and G2 Definitely get it...
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I will believe it when i see it on my phone that there is an update

Here ya go. An updated list via:
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/andro...dule-samsung-htc-sony-motorola-manufacturers/
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G2 Korean started from 16th Jan
Check out @LG_Mobile_'s Tweet: https://twitter.com/LG_Mobile_/status/555919456795246592?s=09
G Pro 2 Korean from 31st Jan
Check out @LG_Mobile_'s Tweet: https://twitter.com/LG_Mobile_/status/561062680824250368?s=09
G3 Cat.6 (F460L/K/S) from 2nd Jan
Check out @LG_Mobile_'s Tweet: https://twitter.com/LG_Mobile_/status/550844120034336769?s=09
G Flex Korean is near to announce.. I thinks..
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Nice list but also only expectations from another site :-\
but we expect the manufacturer to improve its standing this year and push out Android 5.0 update as soon as they can and to as much devices as possible.
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So no official statement

I hope that theres actually visible differences from KitKat to Lollipop. JB to KK didnt really give any nice visible changes. Maybe theyll bring back download mode with lollipop update too.

xREAP3R said:
I hope that theres actually visible differences from KitKat to Lollipop. JB to KK didnt really give any nice visible changes. Maybe theyll bring back download mode with lollipop update too.
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What do you mean by "bring back download mode" …?
I am on KitKat, I have download mode
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Im on the latest KK version for my phone, and i don't have download mode.

xREAP3R said:
Im on the latest KK version for my phone, and i don't have download mode.
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To get into download mode, put your USB cable into your phone, with your phone off.* Then, hold down the Volume Up button and plug your phone into your computer.
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So any news?
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Firmware DROID RAZR M Verizon Jelly Bean 4.1.1 by "Firmware Team"

"FIRMWARE TEAM"
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Original Jelly Bean Fastboot Files for DROID RAZR M Verizon
Android 4.1.1 ---- 98.12.4.XT907.Verizon.en.US
VZW_XT907_4.1.1-9.8.1Q-27-2-4_1FF.xml.zip
DOWNLOAD​
Any chance you guys get the Telstra (AUS) firmware or run us Aussies through how to extract one from our devices?
Note we're BL unlockable if that helps.
How can we use this firmware on a retail version, knowing that BL is locked?
Any instructions/description will be greatly appreciated
Thx
safsaf_asm said:
How can we use this firmware on a retail version, knowing that BL is locked?
Any instructions/description will be greatly appreciated
Thx
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you use this in conjunction with RSD Lite. put the razr m in fastboot mode, run rsd lite, browse for this, and extract & flash it. itll take a bit, but bring you back to fully stock 4.1.1
antp121 said:
you use this in conjunction with RSD Lite. put the razr m in fastboot mode, run rsd lite, browse for this, and extract & flash it. itll take a bit, but bring you back to fully stock 4.1.1
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What's the benefit of this ROM? Is it an update to the jelly bean already out there?
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Benifit is that we can look into the file now instead of OTA or Blind Flashing.
Also if you screw up u can Fast boot flash this Firmware with RDSLite.
Now my question is does any one have the JB AUSSIE Radio 4.1.1 ?
Or will the AUSSIE 4.0.x Radio work in here ?
Aussie radio from ICS works fine with this so far.. will test tomorrow in lte coverage area too.
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Works for me also on Verizon phone.
Still curious if we can get a Australia fast boot. I think theirs maybe less bloated ?
Again thanks for the fast boot files
Germanese said:
Works for me also on Verizon phone.
Still curious if we can get a Australia fast boot. I think theirs maybe less bloated ?
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There's a tonne of Verizon bloat in these fastboot images that's for sure.. however, much of it is easily removed
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Did a factory wipe, and flashed just boot and system on my Aussie RAZR M.
Everything works except LTE. When it kicks over to LTE it can see the network and connect to it, but the data connection doesn't establish (ie the 4G symbol does not appear and data connectivity doesn't work, despite strong signal in a 4G area).
Any ideas on what may need to be tweaked to get LTE data to work? Data works fine on UMTS.
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apacheo said:
There's a tonne of Verizon bloat in these fastboot images that's for sure.. however, much of it is easily removed
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So you're saying we can reimage an Telstra phone using the Verizon fastboot then separately pushing the radio fastboot afterwards?
wintermute000 said:
So you're saying we can reimage an Telstra phone using the Verizon fastboot then separately pushing the radio fastboot afterwards?
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Just flash the system and boot partitions. However, lte doesn't seem to work. Gsm and umts do though.
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In the process of trying to get LTE going, I managed to fry it, so I'm going to have to do a re-install this afternoon. Only shame of it is, I don't live in an LTE coverage area, so I can't test.
So for me, it's a question of do I want smooth jellybean goodness with (at most) DC-HSPA, or do I want ICS with LTE ... grunt, why can't I have both!?
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apacheo said:
In the process of trying to get LTE going, I managed to fry it, so I'm going to have to do a re-install this afternoon. Only shame of it is, I don't live in an LTE coverage area, so I can't test.
So for me, it's a question of do I want smooth jellybean goodness with (at most) DC-HSPA, or do I want ICS with LTE ... grunt, why can't I have both!?
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Are you using an Aussie one?
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antp121 said:
Are you using an Aussie one?
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Sure am. Unlocked Aussie RAZR M (XT905)
apacheo said:
Sure am. Unlocked Aussie RAZR M (XT905)
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And its LTE?
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antp121 said:
And its LTE?
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Of course it is
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apacheo said:
Of course it is
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Having said that it's LTE, I've followed these instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1834511
Apparently this should get LTE working outside the US ... will give it a try when a chance avails.
I still don't get why we need this file because we already had the OTA and that's how I updated my phone through RSD Lite. Forgive me for saying this, but it's just my opinion.
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Just trying to understand more clearly is all. So I respect anyone who is uploading files ROMs for our phone. I truly believe this is the greatest Android phone on the market today.
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alwaysbelieve1 said:
I still don't get why we need this file because we already had the OTA and that's how I updated my phone through RSD Lite. Forgive me for saying this, but it's just my opinion.
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Just trying to understand more clearly is all. So I respect anyone who is uploading files ROMs for our phone. I truly believe this is the greatest Android phone on the market today.
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Simple. For people who have modded their ICS firmware, the OTA won't apply unless they revert to stock first. At least with this, they can flash jellybean, then mod their rom again.
Plus it's also nice to have something to reimage your phone with if you screw it up
camera JB
Are anybody can upload camera and gallery and all additional files from JB?

(With Proof) Official Jelly Bean for Europeans over LG PC Suite or LG Mobile Tool

As I know, you can update all unlocked O4X HD to Jelly Bean if you live in Europe since 2013-04-05 over LG PC Suite or LG Mobile Tool
EDIT: If you update with PC Suite or Mobile Tool, you will not lose your data or apps.
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Where did u download LG PC Suite?
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theofficialpimp said:
Where did u download LG PC Suite?
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Connect your phone, press LG Software in USB conection type. Then press AutoRun and Download PC Suite. Install.
Yup did it today and vola jellybean it is. Iam from finland!
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Winudert said:
Connect your phone, press LG Software in USB conection type. Then press AutoRun and Download PC Suite. Install.
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Just tried with the wifes P880 and it says V10H and no upgrade available
stuben32 said:
Just tried with the wifes P880 and it says V10H and no upgrade available
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I don't know why, really. Maybe your wifes phone is not fully unlocked or something. As I tried to play with links in LG servers, files for UK are. To be exact, for everyone countries in Europe are.
Winudert said:
I don't know why, really. Maybe your wifes phone is not fully unlocked or something. As I tried to play with links in LG servers, files for UK are. To be exact, for everyone countries in Europe are.
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UK users have not received an update yet mine is SIM free and checking with imei tells me 10H is the most recent firmware
cupidstunt said:
UK users have not received an update yet mine is SIM free and checking with imei tells me 10H is the most recent firmware
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Its ok because v10d is the best, at least until we get UK bootloader unlock
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I have a question, does it matter what USB drivers you download when trying to use Mobile Update Tool or PC Suite?
Like are there certain drivers for each country where your phone is from?
theofficialpimp said:
I have a question, does it matter what USB drivers you download when trying to use Mobile Update Tool or PC Suite?
Like are there certain drivers for each country where your phone is from?
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Nah, the type of driver just depends on the PC
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yeah it works. using an unlocked europe model. Have to say jellybean isnt very good...battery life is worse, and noticeable lag between changing apps, going to home screen etc...any suggestions ?
hellchan said:
yeah it works. using an unlocked europe model. Have to say jellybean isnt very good...battery life is worse, and noticeable lag between changing apps, going to home screen etc...any suggestions ?
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Same here. I guess you have to do clean install (did factory reset after update). I will try to backup my data with native app and to do factory reset. Maybe lag will be gone.
I dont have any lag on oficial JB...
Try do factory reset, then flash via lg flah tool... you will have clean install and no lag..
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mmm273 said:
I dont have any lag on oficial JB...
Try do factory reset, then flash via lg flah tool... you will have clean install and no lag..
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I don't know why, but I did factory reset, did backup and bum, no lag. In any case, still waiting for V20B (some says better experience in Real Racing 3 and Vice City).
I have tried with the support tool and LG desktop software
No JB in the UK yet. It's close I can feel it!!!
I tried doing the KDZ update method but either I did it wrong or something it froze and stuck at a point.
Can someone please help? I have rooted v10d with ICS and I just set up lg pc suite. The suite says I can update to v20b. Do I need to unroot first before installing v20b from lg pc suite?
hoppicker said:
Can someone please help? I have rooted v10d with ICS and I just set up lg pc suite. The suite says I can update to v20b. Do I need to unroot first before installing v20b from lg pc suite?
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no
Thanks, the phone updated fine from v10h. I'm from Belgium btw.
Did the update, just as described by the op and everything went well! I'm EUR-XXX, so I suppose I now also have an unlocked bootloader?
Is the 20b for Europe available??
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[ROM] VZW Rayglobe Flex Port 4.0 2/1/2014

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Here's a ROM by Acer73 Rayglobe Flex.
Details of fully customized ROM found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2590613
Only tested on 12b firmware.
Need full wipe. Backup first.
Flash from recovery.
After first boot, do a reboot. Then change network mode to LTE/CDMA and check data roaming. This is an international ROM so data will be roaming.
Bugs: Signal bars don't move. Must use 3rd party like chomp to send MMS. Must change pc connection in setting to media for computer connection. More...?
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Here's 4.0.
WARNING
---->Choose International and stock kernel in aroma or it won't work.<--------
https://mega.co.nz/#!hIcWAQbZ!Jl677Ez5cFBLegrx6OIA9-X2ko-u-dmFDxtPDlt3hfY
Mirror: thanks to mademan
https://copy.com/bC0nQgg2z04KotcQ
First beta version.
https://mega.co.nz/#!oZERzajJ!P4QxDEkRZam0BHcQrZw6VKPcc9HTaP09FwKh_LEOV30
Thanks to tangjun269 for patch info.
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Only use stock kernel in aroma. I tested this with full wipe.
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Any chance you can hack the mobile hotspot, I added the modded one to the flex Rom posted here but it'll randomly disconnect your item that is tethered to it.
Sent from my G2 running stock debloated 12B
What is the difference between this ROM and the Flex ROM that krazie1 posted???
Surfman423 said:
What is the difference between this ROM and the Flex ROM that krazie1 posted???
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This one has tons of mods when flashing in aroma. U need to flash to see.
krazie1 said:
Any chance you can hack the mobile hotspot, I added the modded one to the flex Rom posted here but it'll randomly disconnect your item that is tethered to it.
Sent from my G2 running stock debloated 12B
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I'll take a look.
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krazie1 said:
Any chance you can hack the mobile hotspot, I added the modded one to the flex Rom posted here but it'll randomly disconnect your item that is tethered to it.
Sent from my G2 running stock debloated 12B
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Use built in hotspot in settings. It works.
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MicroMod777 said:
Use built in hotspot in settings. It works.
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Really, without having the hotspot service too?
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krazie1 said:
Really, without having the hotspot service too?
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Yes.
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MicroMod777 said:
Yes.
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Awesome have you tried connecting anything? I noticed you said to put roaming on, that'll charge us verizon users. You can most likely dirty flash over a stock vs980 rom and you could get data without roaming.
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krazie1 said:
Awesome have you tried connecting anything? I noticed you said to put roaming on, that'll charge us verizon users. You can most likely dirty flash over a stock vs980 rom and you could get data without roaming.
Sent from my G2 running stock debloated 12B
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Yes, got connected to my old droid on WiFi.
There's no roaming charges through vzw unless ur outside US. Plus ur connected to vzw towers. How u gonna get charged?
No dirty flash. Clean wipe recommended.
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MicroMod777 said:
Yes, got connected to my old droid on WiFi.
There's no roaming charges through vzw unless ur outside US. Plus ur connected to vzw towers. How u gonna get charged?
No dirty flash. Clean wipe recommended.
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Thanks for answering that, I thought we got charged for roaming in US. Just googled it and confirmed your answer. Thanks for the ROM
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Panzer87 said:
Thanks for answering that, I thought we got charged for roaming in US. Just googled it and confirmed your answer. Thanks for the ROM
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Though the rom reads as roaming, ur not. This an international global Rom, that's why it reads that. I found fix to make it not show roaming, but it breaks calls.
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MicroMod777 said:
Though the rom reads as roaming, ur not. This an international global Rom, that's why it reads that. I found fix to make it not show roaming, but it breaks calls.
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I was on malladus 1.3 hybrid. Wiped cache and dalvik and flashed this ROM and I have 4G without roaming checked. Running great so far. I never did 12B OTA update which is why I flashed it that way.
It also shows my phone as a D802, but that's not a big deal at all. Runs great so far
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Panzer87 said:
I was on malladus 1.3 hybrid. Wiped cache and dalvik and flashed this ROM and I have 4G without roaming checked. Running great so far. I never did 12B OTA update which is why I flashed it that way.
It also shows my phone as a D802, but that's not a big deal at all. Runs great so far
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Sweet. It can be dirty flashed but things like sms might crash.
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MicroMod777 said:
Sweet. It can be dirty flashed but things like sms might crash.
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SMS is working fine, MMS won't work on WiFi. Tried sending it on WiFi, only sent when I turned WiFi off. I'm using 8sms app
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Panzer87 said:
SMS is working fine, MMS won't work on WiFi. Tried sending it on WiFi, only sent when I turned WiFi off. I'm using 8sms app
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Can you try sending SMS with the stock messaging app and let us know if it works?
Lockett said:
Can you try sending SMS with the stock messaging app and let us know if it works?
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Just tried. Stock messaging app force closes when you click on the conversation. 8sms still works for both sms and mms though
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Panzer87 said:
Just tried. Stock messaging app force closes when you click on the conversation. 8sms still works for both sms and mms though
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Full wipe fixes bugs like that, but then u can't send mms.
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Thanks MM! U held it down for DLX and now here! Maybe I should follow ur devices lol... Thanks for continuing to share

LGL23?

Bought a gflex and the hardware version says lgl23?
I'm on jellybean 4.2.2 and would like to update to kitkat. can anyone help?
jgault87 said:
Bought a gflex and the hardware version says lgl23?
I'm on jellybean 4.2.2 and would like to update to kitkat. can anyone help?
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In your settings go to about phone, you should see software update and see if its there for your phone
Its not, and honestly probably won't see it.
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Sully6789 said:
Its not, and honestly probably won't see it.
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So this G Flex variant never got KitKat?
Wait. May be it would directly update to Lollipop
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It's the CDMA2000 version for China (KDDI, I think).
And AFAIK, no KitKat update for that variant exists yet
ROGERS • LG G Flex D950G • Stock ROOT 4.4.2 • V4A • 180DPI • FLEXIN'
jgault87 said:
So this G Flex variant never got KitKat?
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No, I'm using it now. Japanese carriers aren't exactly known for updating their devices. I'll be surprised if we see KK, much less Lollipop.
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Don't know about LGL23 but my LG G Flex LG-D959 has been updated to kitkat 4.4.2
I have summarized what works for the LGL23
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=59585070&postcount=15
Hope that helps somebody.
Cheers
Please next link referent LG G Flex L23 Au: http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g-flex/general/lollipop-update-g-flex-t2940448/post61581162#post61581162

D955, D958 and F340

Hello ya'll. I just wanted to learn that is there any difference between the models D955, D958 and F340? Any errors with a model? I'm going to buy one, so I'd like to learn every information I can get. Thanx in advance.
cortex47 said:
Hello ya'll. I just wanted to learn that is there any difference between the models D955, D958 and F340? Any errors with a model? I'm going to buy one, so I'd like to learn every information I can get. Thanx in advance.
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F340 is optimus g pro, not g flex
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vivebatu said:
F340 is optimus g pro, not g flex
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Well, yes it is.
cortex47 said:
Well, yes it is.
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:Clarification
F340 is G Flex Korean, F350 is G Pro 2.
F240 is G Pro..
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So as I say then. Ok, this is not the issue. I wanted to know is there any difference between them.

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