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[4.4.2] When?

Well... we are really grateful for this new Motorola been so attentive with us in order to provide the Kit Kat as fast as a Nexus device. But...
... as I'm reading about 4.4.1 and 4.4.2, these updates are major bug hunters, and not only a camera fix as "Google" says.
So, are Motorola working to implement this minor for us? Does anyone have an idea about it or can ask to Moto Care if there is any attempt from Moto about it?
The help desk from Moto here in Brazil is one step behind from US one cause we are partially receiving 4.4 by these days, so if 4.4 is something new to then to handle, imagine 4.4.2.
I made some research on news but unsuccessful.

This is likely why most other companies don't rush to release a new version of Android. They will go through all the effort of packaging, testing and releasing only to be screwed by Google a week later with a new update. I doubt the carriers like it either, as they like to test stuff.
Once something has been out for a bit and the major bugs are dealt with then it would be much easier to release. This is a bit of a flaw in how Google's android model works.
It would be much more ideal for Motorola to have adopted the Apple model where they release a new build and don't really care much what the carrier thinks.
I am sure someone at Motorola is already working with 4.4.2 but considering the number of carriers that don't have 4.4 yet it is hard to say what they will do. Maybe they will hold off on them and switch to a 4.4.2 build for the ones who haven't received 4.4 yet.
To keep up with the new android releases, the bloatware some carriers insist upon, builds for the different hardware models and then a huge number of different carriers must be quite the fun project to manage.

I heard that the 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 updates only had fixes for the nexuses devices and wont be pushed to any other kit kat devices

Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs. They "almost" squashed flash. It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall. They are trying to stop root. They are trying to stop 3rd party battery analysis apps.... Etc... Etc. Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
Anyway.... My point is... 4.4 is awful. Let's hope they do a better job with 5.0. And they stop leaning toward the apple philosophy of not letting people "play" with their phones.
Every device section I follow has threads about kit kat... And when will they get it. Then when they do, theirs tonnes of negative threads about it.
4.2.2.....the last best version. At this point.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
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I'll add.... The carriers play a big part in these shenanigans I'm sure.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...

dobbs3x said:
I heard that the 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 updates only had fixes for the nexuses devices and wont be pushed to any other kit kat devices
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Not really... 4.4.1 was a big update regarding KitKat performance and bugfixes...
You can check the commits to see that they've changed A LOT of stuff in Android framework...
We definitely MUST have the 4.4.2 update... 4.4 is a bit laggy... 4.2.2 was much more stable...

kj2112 said:
Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs. They "almost" squashed flash. It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall. They are trying to stop root. They are trying to stop 3rd party battery analysis apps.... Etc... Etc. Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
Anyway.... My point is... 4.4 is awful. Let's hope they do a better job with 5.0. And they stop leaning toward the apple philosophy of not letting people "play" with their phones.
Every device section I follow has threads about kit kat... And when will they get it. Then when they do, theirs tonnes of negative threads about it.
4.2.2.....the last best version. At this point.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
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I'll add.... The carriers play a big part in these shenanigans I'm sure.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
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I think your science is off. SSDD when it comes to Android releases. Same exact posts sprouted up when Gingerbread was released...
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And to each their own.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...

kj2112 said:
Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs. They "almost" squashed flash. It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall. They are trying to stop root. They are trying to stop 3rd party battery analysis apps.... Etc... Etc. Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
Anyway.... My point is... 4.4 is awful. Let's hope they do a better job with 5.0. And they stop leaning toward the apple philosophy of not letting people "play" with their phones.
Every device section I follow has threads about kit kat... And when will they get it. Then when they do, theirs tonnes of negative threads about it.
4.2.2.....the last best version. At this point.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
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I'll add.... The carriers play a big part in these shenanigans I'm sure.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
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Buy a Developer edition so you have a unlocked boot loader. If you buy retail expect it to be locked down and lucky if a exploit is found.

Travisdroidx2 said:
Buy a Developer edition so you have a unlocked boot loader. If you buy retail expect it to be locked down and lucky if a exploit is found.
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I have the Rogers version... I'm all unlocked.
I was talking about devices in general. Google and the carriers are making it tough on people to unlock... Root... Etc.... On many devices.
I have zero problems with my Moto X. I was knocking 4.4 and the direction Android in general seems to be heading.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...

There is a reason that Google, manufacturers and carriers are making devices more and more secure. There is demand for it. People don't want insecure devices that someone can randomly access. Or, the want a secure phone that is good for both personal and business use. While you say it's bad, it isn't. I'm not sure why you think a secure device is a bad thing, or why you expect the initial software release to be bug free. I don't think there has been an Android release yet that hasn't seen a few quick incremental updates just after initial release to fix bugs.
Also, 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 are more than just "Nexus updates". Sure, the updates mainly apply to Nexus phones because they're the only ones running 4.4.0 really, other than the Moto X. There is a lot of stuff fixed that will apply to all devices running the software, not just Nexus phones.

The HTC One GPE 4.4.2 rollout is in progress, so it's definitely coming to non-Nexus phones.

imnuts said:
There is a reason that Google, manufacturers and carriers are making devices more and more secure. There is demand for it. People don't want insecure devices that someone can randomly access. Or, the want a secure phone that is good for both personal and business use.
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To add to that, Google also has an obligation to fix root exploits (and they are exploits on locked devices; Nexus devices will always be developer devices at heart) now that they offer TV Shows and Movies in the Play Store. Some app developers (game developers usually) also had to implement nasty DRM because of pirating, which sucks because a lot of games have to "check-in" to verify the license; so, if you don't have internet at the time of check-in, you don't get to play. The more Google can control on MAINSTREAM devices, the better for their long term contracts with studios (music, movies, television) and publishers (magazines, books).
I used to NEED root, but the Moto X actually changed my mind about that.

Steve-x said:
It would be much more ideal for Motorola to have adopted the Apple model where they release a new build and don't really care much what the carrier thinks.
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No, it wouldn't have because no other mobile OEM in the world has the kind of sway with carriers that Apple has. Apple blew open the mobile industry. Don't forget that. As much as I love android, those are the facts. Sure, I'd love for that to change sooner rather than later. You can see small battles over this happening all the time. N7 2013 has the chips for VZW LTE bands. VZW suddenly decided not to activate N7s on their network. A customer would essentially have to nag and harass VZW to get it activated. Or, you could take an already activated LTE VZW sim and just pop it in.
There are many battles being waged that you may not be aware of. It's unlikely someone will win the war soon. But join the battle by voting with your wallet.

kj2112 said:
Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs. They "almost" squashed flash. It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall. They are trying to stop root. They are trying to stop 3rd party battery analysis apps.... Etc... Etc. Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
Anyway.... My point is... 4.4 is awful. Let's hope they do a better job with 5.0. And they stop leaning toward the apple philosophy of not letting people "play" with their phones.
Every device section I follow has threads about kit kat... And when will they get it. Then when they do, theirs tonnes of negative threads about it.
4.2.2.....the last best version. At this point.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
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I'll add.... The carriers play a big part in these shenanigans I'm sure.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
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This is simply not true. Following the history of previous Android release, the .0 release always came with a lot of small bugs. Otherwise, there won't be any subsequent point releases. For example, 4.2 was released on 11/13/2012, just 14 days later, there was a 4.2.1 release.

rockingondrums said:
No, it wouldn't have because no other mobile OEM in the world has the kind of sway with carriers that Apple has. Apple blew open the mobile industry. Don't forget that. As much as I love android, those are the facts. Sure, I'd love for that to change sooner rather than later. You can see small battles over this happening all the time. N7 2013 has the chips for VZW LTE bands. VZW suddenly decided not to activate N7s on their network. A customer would essentially have to nag and harass VZW to get it activated. Or, you could take an already activated LTE VZW sim and just pop it in.
There are many battles being waged that you may not be aware of. It's unlikely someone will win the war soon. But join the battle by voting with your wallet.
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I never said it was realistic, but I would prefer it if it were possible. My carrier doesn't even sell the Moto X, I had to buy one from another carrier and unlock it. No developer edition or motomaker in Canada either.
We certainly don't want to turn this thread towards apple but I'm pleased to say I am 100% apple free and also 100% cellphone contract free.

Steve-x said:
... I'm pleased to say I am 100% apple free and also 100% cellphone contract free.
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Nice! I'm working on it: I suspended my VZW accounts, trying out tmo prepaid. I can't lie though, I'm very interested in seeing the effects of the bandwidth improvements vz made in my area. Another local xda user posted a speedtest screen that was 3x the performance of vz at it's peak. Maybe I'll borrow a sim from a friend...

Steve-x said:
I never said it was realistic, but I would prefer it if it were possible. My carrier doesn't even sell the Moto X, I had to buy one from another carrier and unlock it. No developer edition or motomaker in Canada either.
We certainly don't want to turn this thread towards apple but I'm pleased to say I am 100% apple free and also 100% cellphone contract free.
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That's exactly what I did. Wanted to replace my s2...and buy a phone outright and say goodbye to contacts. I'm on telus. Did a tonne of reading, reviews and articles and XDA of course. Was between the G2, HTC one and the moto x. Decided on the X. And couldn't be happier.
For the Rogers version, unlocked sim, then boot loader... And rooted. The phone blows me away.
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Jason.DROID said:
I used to NEED root, but the Moto X actually changed my mind about that.
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Quoted for truth.
It'd mind blowing to me... I have no interest in rooting. For the first time... Ever.
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HTC one Google play edition just got 4.4.2. http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...rs/ShsH+(xda-developers)&utm_content=FaceBook
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This is just stupid:
kj2112 said:
Kit kat blows. That's my scientific analysis. Doesn't matter what device section you go to.... You will read about a lot of bugs.
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You read about a lot of bugs everywhere.
They "almost" squashed flash.
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Gosh, imagine that, an incompatible and unsupported app doesn't work. Bad Google, bad! You should be designing your OS to work with random unsupported apps that are no longer in development!
It locks some brands boot loaders... From what I recall.
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You recall wrong.
They are trying to stop root.
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You know that rooting on non-dev phones is executing a security exploit, right? That it's a vulnerability in the phone? That leaving it open would actually be the worst thing to do?
Basically they seem to be trying to squash development.... Oh... Unless you buy a special developer model of a brand. Lol
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Everything about your "scientific analysis" is wrong. Go back to the drawing board.

4.4.4? Already?

I just updated KitKat to 4.4.3 a few weeks back. Is there really already a 4.4.4 update? I saw this here, but I couldn't tell if 4.4.4 is intended for the Moto X or not.

The first few paragraphs of that link provide you with all the info you asked
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Looks like the article was just mentioning the devices that got 4.4.3. I doubt carriers are going to go through the trouble of testing and rolling out 4.4.4 for the X if they've already put out 4.4.3. I think that's why they only confirmed the GPe Moto G for 4.4.4. Just my guess.
Does anyone know if the SSL bug got fixed in our 4.4.3?
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rocketsaucev2 said:
The first few paragraphs of that link provide you with all the info you asked
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Well, yes and no. I still can't figure out if there's going to be a 4.4.4 for the Moto X. No big deal, apparently, but I'd like to know. If I were hit by a bus tomorrow, for instance, I'd hate to leave this earth without having first gotten the latest Android update for my phone.:cyclops:

varxx said:
Well, yes and no. I still can't figure out if there's going to be a 4.4.4 for the Moto X. No big deal, apparently, but I'd like to know. If I were hit by a bus tomorrow, for instance, I'd hate to leave this earth without having first gotten the latest Android update for my phone.:cyclops:
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The last news for today: https://forums.motorola.com/posts/a0e130cc79

Great news but I through the X was the flagship and not the G. Why the G is always updated before it?
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MickyMax said:
Great news but I through the X was the flagship and not the G. Why the G is always updated before it?
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Yes, I find that weird too, I mean no disrespect to G or E owners but why X is prioritize last?
Also what does that mean "Indian users", what the hell will happen to users of elsewhere?

devilsdouble said:
Yes, I find that weird too, I mean no disrespect to G or E owners but why X is prioritize last?
Also what does that mean "Indian users", what the hell will happen to users of elsewhere?
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Its written Indian users because our phones are not bound by any carrier . So we receive our updates from Motorola directly. For other carrier based phones it depends on the carriers and not Motorola.
Also its little weird that Moto E is getting the update before X, Since X being the flagship phone :/

DaRkRhiNe said:
Its written Indian users because our phones are not bound by any carrier . So we receive our updates from Motorola directly. For other carrier based phones it depends on the carriers and not Motorola.
Also its little weird that Moto E is getting the update before X, Since X being the flagship phone :/
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Guess that updating Moto G and E prior Mot X is rather a technical issue than question of a privilege. Moto X with its 8 core computing system needs much more adaptation than other ones, which based mostly on the plain AOSP . That's also the reason why is so difficult to mod a useful custom ROM for Moto X with full stock functionality.

Does the Moto X have spyware on it like on previous droids (motoblur)?

Some time ago there was some controvery about some of the motorola phones spying on the users in a pretty bad way. Does the moto x have these features?
http://www.beneaththewaves.net/Projects/Motorola_Is_Listening.html

There is a full list of applications that come preinstalled that can be disabled. As far as I know, it doesn't seem that Motorola do any 'spying'. Mostly carriers are the ones who install this spyware onto devices.

bird11 said:
Some time ago there was some controvery about some of the motorola phones spying on the users in a pretty bad way. Does the moto x have these features?
http://www.beneaththewaves.net/Projects/Motorola_Is_Listening.html
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It could still be present & you allow it by the user agreement.
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I bet a new Maxx it is still there but hidden better.

Custom roms ?

Just out of curiosity, why hasn't there been any custom roms or development ?

I really hope someone is working on root for non pure edition.

Development was pretty light with the 2013 version too. The combination of limited market (dev edition only) and the near stock experience, and the loss of what makes the Moto X special, means not very many people are seeking an alternative.

What about kernels? Surely we could benefit from custom kernels and keep all our moto x a pure android experience, correct? Like possible for color cal and battery life? :silly:

Custom roms ya custom kernel can come only after motolola releases its kernel sources

My impression was since its " pure edition" it would be developer friendly .

dia_naji said:
My impression was since its " pure edition" it would be developer friendly .
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It is developer friendly. There just isn't a lot of development for the reasons listed above.

Restola said:
Development was pretty light with the 2013 version too. The combination of limited market (dev edition only) and the near stock experience, and the loss of what makes the Moto X special, means not very many people are seeking an alternative.
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This, I have a Droid Maxx and the wife has a Moto X. We enjoy the anti Samsung, pure Google experience enhanced with touchless and active display. No reasons to try any AOSP Roms. Development is so light for the Droid Ultra/ Maxx that CM dropped support for it, but that is due to how good the stock ROM is. I ran Paranoid on my RAZR Maxx HD but still moved back to stock because it is smoother and has better cell reception. All the cool little functions are just that, cool. Paranoid's implementation of their dynamic status and notification bars are the best I've seen, much better than the xposed modules. But at the end of the day, it is about functionality and useability. Stock Motorola Roms are very good, just need to debloat all the Verizon crap in my case. As far as kernels, hopefully faux123 will do something with the new Moto X. I'm running his kernel on my Droid Maxx and Moto X and it definitely enhances the phone more than any aftermarket Roms could. The reason why I hangout in the Moto X forums is because there are not a lot of us Droid owners and the Moto X forums is where we get most of our stuff. I'm running a Moto X port on my Droid Maxx for example. This holds true for the new Droid Turbo also which I am definitely interested in. That is if there's a way to unlock the bootloader. Unlocked bootloader with 3900 mAH battery and 21 mp camera and the Moto X experience? I'm in, still have an upgrade available! But I don't foresee the bootloader or root being available for these new phones for a long while. In the mean time, I'll enjoy my unlocked Droid Maxx and Moto X and continue to lurk around here. Lol

You can use Xposed Framework, I think, with the 2nd Gen. Moto X. It will give you many of the popular features from custom roms that aren't in stock Android.
The only other reason I can see for custom roms on the Moto X (at least as far as it concerns me) is that I think they can be better for privacy and getting rid of under the hood bits of code that might be abused for marketing/tracking purposes. Also I think the CyanogenMod Account is a more secure way to track and remotely wipe your phone, than the Android Device Manager. At the end of the day, I trust Cyanogen to have my security and privacy in mind more than Google or Motorola. But I don't think this is enough that people will feel motivated to develop a lot for the Moto X (for the reasons already stated above).

I can't see development being any busier than the quiet 2013.
Too many Moto limitations... Like bootloaders not being able to be unlocked on some big carriers. And as said, no custom features on aosp/cm roms. Downgrade issues.... If it's like the 2013. Etc.
The X's are not for flashaholics .... That's for sure.

jdubya42 said:
I really hope someone is working on root for non pure edition.
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The pure edition root method by jcase works fine on other devices. I rooted my xt1093 last week, seen some Brazilian carriers' rooted (also non pure, xt1092 maybe?), and I'm 100% confident it'll work for any moto x with an unlockable bootloader.

Am I wrong in thinking that only the pure edition has an unlockable bootloader?

Where to find stock firmware? For verizon?

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Am I wrong in thinking that only the pure edition has an unlockable bootloader?
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Yes, quite wrong. Search and Google are your friend here.
Only Verizon cannot be unlocked presently AFAIK.
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Where to find stock firmware? For verizon?
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I don't think any carrier branded X has made this available yet...

Well thats why I didn't know that. I have the VZW model.

cb474 said:
You can use Xposed Framework, I think, with the 2nd Gen. Moto X. It will give you many of the popular features from custom roms that aren't in stock Android.
The only other reason I can see for custom roms on the Moto X (at least as far as it concerns me) is that I think they can be better for privacy and getting rid of under the hood bits of code that might be abused for marketing/tracking purposes. Also I think the CyanogenMod Account is a more secure way to track and remotely wipe your phone, than the Android Device Manager. At the end of the day, I trust Cyanogen to have my security and privacy in mind more than Google or Motorola. But I don't think this is enough that people will feel motivated to develop a lot for the Moto X (for the reasons already stated above).
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I have mine rooted and running Xposed with GravityBox and it works just as well as my original version Moto X did. I don't see the need for a custom rom, though I might try CM once there is a version for it.

Well as someone said, even the Moto 2013 had very very little development. But I would love to see a Custom ROM based on Moto's software itself. Cleaning out small bugs and unrequired services and maybe add couple of extra features.

I just received my Moto X (2nd gen).... I should have looked on the forums first... Without custom ROMS - I'll most likely just send it back to Moto...
I like the options the custom roms bring. I like choosing the toggles I desire in the window shade, custom themes, etc... Not being able to do those things... Meh - I have been tweaking my experience since 2007. I don't like the idea of just running a plain Jane rom.. This sucks as I really like the hardware... Almost enough that I would spend the time trying to learn to make a custom rom myself... But, I can't expend the time to learn, debug, etc... Sadly, I'm too busy with my day job...

As long as you're not on Verizon, Xposed modules should be able to give you all the customization choices you'd ever need.

I was hoping for custom Lollipop roms and Xposed won't work on Android 5.0 (and, it is uncertain if it will ever work on Lollipop).....

Reflash?

Ok so I have searched quite a bit and have not found a definitive answer.
I have a 2nd generation moto x with at&t's ROM and all it's "glory". Is there any way to flash the pure edition ROM to it and if so would it interfere with anything like receiving cell signal or OTA updates normally?
Alternatively, at the very least is there a way to get rid of all the crap applications at&t seems to want to cram down my throat?

Wolfore said:
Ok so I have searched quite a bit and have not found a definitive answer.
I have a 2nd generation moto x with at&t's ROM and all it's "glory". Is there any way to flash the pure edition ROM to it and if so would it interfere with anything like receiving cell signal or OTA updates normally?
Alternatively, at the very least is there a way to get rid of all the crap applications at&t seems to want to cram down my throat?
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You should probably post this in the Moto X 2014 forum. This is for The 2013 1st Generation Moto X.

fury683 said:
You should probably post this in the Moto X 2014 forum. This is for The 2013 1st Generation Moto X.
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Oops sorry about that post moved.