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hi:
so, att will sell me unlimited data plan for 15$ addon to current voice plan..UNLESS im using att smartphone (tilt).
i was gonna get tilt, unlock , unbrand, reflash--whatever..
then i hear that they will always know that i use their smartphone anyway and charge me 30$ / month... as someone said "like charging 8$ for gas cuz i gotta V8"
-------this doesnt make sense cuz i could always buy cheaper plan and plug sim into laptop w/proper card and not get data capable phone--but whatever-------
so, bottom line == is there a workaround to absolutely disguise the tilt?
thanx
amkaos said:
hi:
so, att will sell me unlimited data plan for 15$ addon to current voice plan..UNLESS im using att smartphone (tilt).
i was gonna get tilt, unlock , unbrand, reflash--whatever..
then i hear that they will always know that i use their smartphone anyway and charge me 30$ / month... as someone said "like charging 8$ for gas cuz i gotta V8"
-------this doesnt make sense cuz i could always buy cheaper plan and plug sim into laptop w/proper card and not get data capable phone--but whatever-------
so, bottom line == is there a workaround to absolutely disguise the tilt?
thanx
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Look here, you need to search. You really wasted your first post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336429
Giving you this link goes against my better judgment. NEXT TIME SEARCH
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Look here, you need to search. You really wasted your first post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336429
Giving you this link goes against my better judgment. NEXT TIME SEARCH
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You've gone soft man
Use Media Net Plan with Tilt
amkaos said:
hi:
so, att will sell me unlimited data plan for 15$ addon to current voice plan..UNLESS im using att smartphone (tilt).
i was gonna get tilt, unlock , unbrand, reflash--whatever..
then i hear that they will always know that i use their smartphone anyway and charge me 30$ / month... as someone said "like charging 8$ for gas cuz i gotta V8"
-------this doesnt make sense cuz i could always buy cheaper plan and plug sim into laptop w/proper card and not get data capable phone--but whatever-------
so, bottom line == is there a workaround to absolutely disguise the tilt?
thanx
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Well I have had Cingular/AT&T for almost 3 years now. From start to present had a pda style phone with the same data plan I had when I ordered Cingular, which was Unlimited Media Net 200. Media Net unlimited data and 200 txt messages... My first phone as you see in my sig with cing is the Blue Angel SX-66 and now the AT&T Tilt which I have had for 2 months now.
Said all that to say this.. for almost 3 years.. have only paid $19.99 for that data plan and have used at most 895mb of data transfer. So I don't know how they do there thing or not but I have had no trouble with using my PDA phone with the Media Net Data Plan.
(Now that I said that, there gonna charge me.. )
KD8DNS said:
Look here, you need to search. You really wasted your first post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336429
Giving you this link goes against my better judgment. NEXT TIME SEARCH
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thnx for the fast response.. i did search and i probly wasnt clear in question..
the thread you gave seemed different than my question -- the 15$ (unlimited media net) AND the 30$ plan they offer are Both for unlimited data.. the only difference they told me was smart phones have keyboard and thats what they charge extra for.. the rep exactly did say i could tether on the 15$ quote unlimited w/o probs or issues..
so , im back to orig query..
thanx
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Well I have had Cingular/AT&T for almost 3 years now. From start to present had a pda style phone with the same data plan I had when I ordered Cingular, which was Unlimited Media Net 200. Media Net unlimited data and 200 txt messages... My first phone as you see in my sig with cing is the Blue Angel SX-66 and now the AT&T Tilt which I have had for 2 months now.
Said all that to say this.. for almost 3 years.. have only paid $19.99 for that data plan and have used at most 895mb of data transfer. So I don't know how they do there thing or not but I have had no trouble with using my PDA phone with the Media Net Data Plan.
(Now that I said that, there gonna charge me.. )
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the first thing i think of is that you are grandfathered in that particular plan, as i am grandfathered in the cheap voice plan of over 8yrs--which is why i dont wanna leave or change plans..
wait,, are you talking about "connect your phone using the Internet Sharing program"? or is this something else?
the real issue im thinking of :: they know that i use their smartphone and they will charge me extra just because of that fact--not the amount i use.. unlimited data is unlimited data..
--im trying,, but i hafto try harder cuz im stupid
thanx
Yes Talking About Tethering
amkaos said:
wait,, are you talking about "connect your phone using the Internet Sharing program"? or is this something else?
the real issue im thinking of :: they know that i use their smartphone and they will charge me extra just because of that fact--not the amount i use.. unlimited data is unlimited data..
--im trying,, but i hafto try harder cuz im stupid
thanx
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Well let me say this.. I am a truck driver and gone most of 4-5 days a week.. My laptop is connected through my TILT with Internet Sharing 24 hours a day during that week. Hence the reason why I use so much data. Almost a gig/month. I also own my own computer business and do website builds and maintance. So I NEED the internet... Between my co-driver and myself we put alot of miles so we use alot of internet to do research or what have you.. So yes to point out this is connecting my phone with a usb cable and using internet sharing to connect my laptop to the internet. I used Comm Manager on my SX-66 but didn't like the fact that the phone would become disable per say cause the phone was a modem at that point. As with Internet Sharing if you get a phone call the data is put on hold... Nice!!! So I don't miss a call...
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Well let me say this.. I am a truck driver and gone most of 4-5 days a week.. My laptop is connected through my TILT with Internet Sharing 24 hours a day during that week. Hence the reason why I use so much data. Almost a gig/month. I also own my own computer business and do website builds and maintance. So I NEED the internet... Between my co-driver and myself we put alot of miles so we use alot of internet to do research or what have you.. So yes to point out this is connecting my phone with a usb cable and using internet sharing to connect my laptop to the internet. I used Comm Manager on my SX-66 but didn't like the fact that the phone would become disable per say cause the phone was a modem at that point. As with Internet Sharing if you get a phone call the data is put on hold... Nice!!! So I don't miss a call...
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so, youre saying that using internet sharing, there is no way to disable phone or make incoming calls just go to voice mail? if data is on hold, i assume that the site would support resume, if it doesnt, you would have to reload and start over w/whatever you are doing?
police22 said:
Well I have had Cingular/AT&T for almost 3 years now. From start to present had a pda style phone with the same data plan I had when I ordered Cingular, which was Unlimited Media Net 200. Media Net unlimited data and 200 txt messages... My first phone as you see in my sig with cing is the Blue Angel SX-66 and now the AT&T Tilt which I have had for 2 months now.
Said all that to say this.. for almost 3 years.. have only paid $19.99 for that data plan and have used at most 895mb of data transfer. So I don't know how they do there thing or not but I have had no trouble with using my PDA phone with the Media Net Data Plan.
(Now that I said that, there gonna charge me.. )
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Been using this for over a year now. Never had an issue. And I have slaved it to my laptop to share the connection before. I think I only average around 100mb per month though.
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Figured ive give a NOOB a break.
Higher data usage = more likely to get flagged as abusing the service.
My experience with it has been they wont hunt down people who do 'occasional' tethering -- light usage once in a while...
When someone starts to abuse that data connection, the account gets a flag for someone to look into it eventually..
A "Razr v3" as you report to AT&T Using 20 MB of data/month is not gonna get much concern.
A "Razr v3" using over 700MB/month will probably get looked into closely....
Changing your phone VIA your account online will not change the numbers they have reported in their system. If you received a Tilt as an upgrade then swapped back to an older phone, they can see these records. In most cases they wont 'hunt' people down for small/limited abuse.
But, it is against the terms of service -- so they reserve the right to.
Like speeding, it's okay until you get caught.. and if you do, hope you get off with a warning and be more careful next time. Alternatively, just pay for the service if you like it and use it (at least that's my stand on it).
altho i appreciate the replies, y'all seem to not get what im puttin down..they told me that data usage is not an issue--its the type of device (smartphone or not); this was reps words..
but all the replies seem to tell me that if i just call and add unlimited media net or whatever its called, thats good enuf.
if they ask what device ill use, i'll tell 'em that i havent decided or something like that ..
does this make sense?
thanx
amkaos said:
altho i appreciate the replies, y'all seem to not get what im puttin down..they told me that data usage is not an issue--its the type of device (smartphone or not); this was reps words..
but all the replies seem to tell me that if i just call and add unlimited media net or whatever its called, thats good enuf.
if they ask what device ill use, i'll tell 'em that i havent decided or something like that ..
does this make sense?
thanx
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You can just change it all online and add media net or whatever data plan you want with out talking to anyone.. That is what I did when I added Data to my wifes fone.
And yes data does matter.. Your using there bandwidth so the more you use the more your suppose to pay. That is why if you have a PDA/Smartphone then they know it will be using more data and therefore you need a data plan to acomidate the phone. These types of phones have more features and will use more data than a regular phone. That is why they want you to use a higher data plan with more bandwidth.
Just like if you had someone hosting your website. The more bandwidth you use the more you pay. Usually $5 - $10 per gig.. Depending on host.
So like I said, I use a LOT of bandwidth on my tilt.. I use the Trackme for GPS on this site. Listen to streaming radio, use MobiTV. ETC.. so not just my laptop but the phone itself gets used alot too... and been doing this for almost 3 years on the same data plan..
amkaos said:
altho i appreciate the replies, y'all seem to not get what im puttin down..they told me that data usage is not an issue--its the type of device (smartphone or not); this was reps words..
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I bet if you call and ask a diff rep the same question, you will get a different response..
Im tired of reading this thread, I am a regional technician for AT&T, I fully understand "what u puttin down" use a old phone razr, whatever u got. go to a store and have them update your account with the "razr" imei. Then tell the sales rep you want media net unlimited 15.00mo. He will be happy to do it since he gets commision on features. then when you get home put your sim in your tilt and stop complaning.
Have a nice 15.00 a month year.
KD8DNS
KD8DNS said:
Im tired of reading this thread, I am a regional technician for AT&T, I fully understand "what u puttin down" use a old phone razr, whatever u got. go to a store and have them update your account with the "razr" imei. Then tell the sales rep you want media net unlimited 15.00mo. He will be happy to do it since he gets commision on features. then when you get home put your sim in your tilt and stop complaning.
Have a nice 15.00 a month year.
KD8DNS
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thnx... you are either real funny (which i get and how i choose to react) .
my current phone is 8ys old and not data capable..
im gonna try police22 idea. if that doesnt work, i'll do by phone..
thnx
amkaos said:
thnx... you are either real funny (which i get and how i choose to react) .
my current phone is 8ys old and not data capable..
im gonna try police22 idea. if that doesnt work, i'll do by phone..
thnx
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Listen, I told you that im a tech for AT&T, that should be justification. If you do it over the net, it will not update the imei and they will be prone to catching you. UPDATE THE IMEI, even to the non data phone.
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Listen, I told you that im a tech for AT&T, that should be justification. If you do it over the net, it will not update the imei and they will be prone to catching you. UPDATE THE IMEI, even to the non data phone.
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ok... i think i get it now.. youre saying that razr aint data phone either and it doesnt matter what kinda phone it is..
sorry im stupid.. this is my first look at updating my phone since i got it 8 yrs ago..but i aint skeered to tinker or look stupid doing so..
i will ask bunch 0 questions till i get it..
thanx for patience..
So i was wondering before i use or find either i was wondering if there will be a spike in my bill,well i have unlim data but,i know for a fact tmo doesnt offer telenav for the g1.Will i get a hidden fee or something i have hero_over 1.1r3 now w/cyan 1.4 mod.Also tmo changed the 3g here in ny so will either even work?
If you can teether and do whatever you like with the connection, I'm sure they aren't going to care about sprint nav/tv, unless it's a premium service?
sturmeh said:
If you can teether and do whatever you like with the connection, I'm sure they aren't going to care about sprint nav/tv, unless it's a premium service?
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wont they notice the large date usage?
Ace42 said:
wont they notice the large date usage?
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Of course but for all they know your surfing porn.
Unlimited data is unlimited data......Unless it's unlimited data with a fair usage policy. Sprint TV will use (approximately) the same amount of data as the YouTube app, since that comes with the device I highly doubt it. Read the fine print.....
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wont they notice the large date usage?
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Yeah they will and they will throttle your account because of the fair use policy but it doesn't do anything...
I go over 10gb every month tethering my laptop (I like to watch porn on a bigger screen) and it never slows down...one of the TMO reps thought it was from Gtalk running all the time...
Didn't sprint shut down the tv for non sprint customers tho?
wait but wat about telenav(sprint)? Will that be a extra charge on my bill or will it stay the same since i have tmobile unlim data.
I use it every time I leave town, along with tethering and downloading crap to my phone every day. I assume your on the same android plan I'm on...unlimitwd data.
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I use it every time I leave town, along with tethering and downloading crap to my phone every day. I assume your on the same android plan I'm on...unlimitwd data.
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yeah the 29.99 extra android plan, thnks il try telenav
I am coming from Sprint and unlimited data so I have no idea how often I actually went over 2 GB. How easy is it to do with no tethering, but I do plan on using Pandora in my car. Should I use wifi when It is available to alleviate some of the use? Never had to pay attention to data use before.
I can only reference my iphone 3gs data usage answering your question, because I haven't been on and checked mine recently, but I would say definitely use wifi when available (why not? Its super fast!) and about the data usage thing, when I had my iphone in never used wifi and there was only one time I went over 2gigs worth of data in the year I had it, and after heavy usage 24/7. And in can't recount why I did go over either... I would say u really don't have much to worry about unless you tether, thats a whole different ball game i could be wrong though.
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Even when AT&T had unlimited data there was a 5gig softcap that would raise suspicions if you went over it....that being said, for nearly a year I used my Blackberry as my sole internet connection on my home desktop (and played Warcraft online constantly) and never went over 5 gigs. I use wifi at home now and I stay well under 2 gigs easily, and I watch YouTube videos and so forth on a regular basis. Just install netcounter from the market and monitor your usage from the beginning of your billing cycle and you'll be surprised at how far 2 gigs will go.
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I can only reference my iphone 3gs data usage answering your question, because I haven't been on and checked mine recently, but I would say definitely use wifi when available (why not? Its super fast!) and about the data usage thing, when I had my iphone in never used wifi and there was only one time I went over 2gigs worth of data in the year I had it, and after heavy usage 24/7. And in can't recount why I did go over either... I would say u really don't have much to worry about unless you tether, thats a whole different ball game i could be wrong though.
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Thanks
Y'all are all so helpful just like the folks over on the XDA Hero CDMA section. :up:
I will say that it's fairly easy to go over 2 gigs...especially if your using Pandora..Which the 2 other posters failed to mention.
I had my Omnia(Verizon) tethered and used in excess of 65 Gigs a billing cycle. And Verizon never complained..lol
Anyway, depending on how much of Pandora you use, the 2 gigs can go rather quick. It's shady that AT&T did that but there gonna do what they want. I'm currently on the 2 gig data trap with 3 lines(BB/G1/Captivate) and I use almost 2 gigs per line(except my not here yet Captivate) and thats with using wifi at work, home, and at my parents, and I still use a crap load of data.
If you don't HAVE to go to AT&T, I'd stay with Sprint..lol..Just my suggestion.
Hope everything works out.
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Using the dialer, type in *DATA# and call it. You'll get a text message saying how much data you've used, and when the next bill starts. Do some simple math, and prorate what you've used over a 30 day period, and see where you stand.
At first I was worried about data, but I did that and I wasn't going to even break 1GB. Since then I haven't even thought about it. Currently at ~500 MB with two weeks left on my billing cycle.
I guess it depends also a lot on how much you are on wifi , if you have wifi at home and/or work, i dont think you are going to ever hit the 2 gb cap.
Yea I'm at 183 mb and have 3 days left on my billing cycle. And don't get it twisted, that's from listening to alot of pandora in the car. Notice that guy said "tethered," keyword there. I wonder how much data pandora uses in the monthly 40 hour cap your allowed.
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If you stream a lot of 3G it is easy to go over, especially video.
Go to att.com/myandroid to check data usage. Also, 3G Watchdog app will keep track of your data usage.
That said, my friend had his iPhone 4 for a couple months and uses it quite a bit at work (always switches on wifi at home) and he never even passed 1GB.
I used 7gb of data last month on my captivate, (unlimited data ftw).
But damn bro, would you have waited a little longer, you could have gotten the EPIC XD
Well, presumably he could return his phone and retun to Sprint for the Epic 4g (Sprint's Galaxy S variant on the off chance you don't know), so long as he's in his 30 day return window. If I wasn't grandfathered in on unlimited, I probably would have held out and jumped ship to Sprint when the Epic lands.
Looking at my current data usage in the AT&T app, I will probably hit 1GB this month. I don't think I've done more than 3 hours of streaming radio, but I just flash JH2 and re-install all my apps over 3G, plus I installed the Asphalt 5 demo which includes a separate in-game 102mb data install, so that would explain my usage. I could see occasionally hitting 2GB, though I'm having trouble imaging how you would hit 7gigs in a month unless you were downloading/streaming several podcasts over 3G. I think my podcasts are 150-200mb daily, so I suppose it's possible. But it would be much faster to use wi-fi, so eh...
Bowsa2511 said:
I used 7gb of data last month on my captivate, (unlimited data ftw).
But damn bro, would you have waited a little longer, you could have gotten the EPIC XD
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10 dollars more a month for the same ****ty CDMA coverage, no thanks. There isn't any 4G here.
So after rooting with unleash the beast, it added wireless tether to my phone...
i am very excited about this but i am slightly concerned about actually using it. I have heard people talk about At&t being able to tell you have been tethering by how big your data packages are..
so what i am asking is.. is this concern over rated? can they and do they really check? and how many of you are wireless tethering with your captivate?
btw i have had the unlimited data package deal since iphone 3g so i still get "unlimited" data instead of 2gb limit
thanks in advance, and sorry if this is a stupid Q that has been answered b4
Could they find out - yes; do they, probably not; BUT if you do hit up against the 5Gb limit of unlimited a lot they will start looking. It is not easy, but they can do packet inspection and easily infer that your traffic is PC based and not phone based. If you use this as your primary internet connection at home you will get caught. If you tether now and then, you should be fine.
And don't apologize, use the search function.
I have seen guys post up their bills that showed 30+ gigs for multiple months! Said it was even from torrent downloading! I use it in the summer as my main connection usually ~3-4 gigs for 3 years now and have never had a problem.
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They don't seem to care
I blew it out of the water this moth and they didn't seem to care
Never had a problem. I don't download really huge amounts of data on a tethered connection (leave that for other times). Normal use, such as web surfing, emails (with normal attachments) streaming video, etc should never result in any issues.
I've not experienced any issues. I don't use that much data however. I think the largest at one time was when I had to download Kies on my netbook when I was out of town. Other than that 200MB at once, it's nothing more than normal web usage.
I blew it out of the water this moth and they didn't seem to care
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Seriously???? What in the world do you do with your phone??
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Seriously???? What in the world do you do with your phone??
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Seconded... I use my phone frequently for work which involves vpn + mutliple ssh sessions for 8 hours a day when I am away from the office and I usually hit about 2gb. To hit 5-10-20gb, you have to be running torrents or something stupid. That's insane.
That being said, I use wireless tethering and don't pay the additional tethering fee. I've done this for a year on AT&T and did it for years on Sprint (man, I miss their data network!) without any problems or charges.
I hit 5 to 10 gigs a month for the past six months. My phone is my major internet connection. That said, the only time I've tethered is for a friends youtube addiction and about once a week for the s wifes iphone 20 mb cap on apps. No problems, but I've been waiting for em to throttle me down to edge.
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So with flashing a custom rom with 2.2, there's obviously the "mobile AP" function that's built into 2.2.
But my question is this: with ATT coming out with a $-per-month wireless tethering plan, will there come a time when they will be able to detect if we're using our phone's built in tethering, and automatically opt us into the $X a month plan?
Also, I've read other plans where you may get 2GB for the phone's data, and then an additional 2GB for tethered devices. How can they keep track of this? Can they tell if I am using my phone's tethering capabilities.
Obviously I'd like to continue to use my wifi tethering free of charge, and not have to pay ATT for their own service, much like Google Navigation vs ATT Navigator.
Curious about this as well. Came up in a conversation today at work. There was debate between tethering on Android and the iPhone. Any one have insight?
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Curious about this as well. Came up in a conversation today at work. There was debate between tethering on Android and the iPhone. Any one have insight?
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AT&T won't know if u tether through ur phone using android API. But u got to be careful as they can make out based on the amount of traffic u use.
Well, I can speak for the android phones but the never detected me doing it with my blackberry for the last 4 years.
Once they release their "version" I'll be able to report on the captivate as I will use it as much as possible.
Unless u have unlimited data plan, ATT should not care about it at all.
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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...
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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...
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Excellent example of why grandfathering will be phased out. Already doing it to the old blue plans.
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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...
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But here he said "hooked to wi-fi", not cell network. Well, unless he means to have enabled tethering and connected it to his laptop.
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Excellent example of why grandfathering will be phased out. Already doing it to the old blue plans.
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+1
This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.
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But here he said "hooked to wi-fi", not cell network. Well, unless he means to have enabled tethering and connected it to his laptop.
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This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.
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i was wifi tethering... and i checked last months usage, was wrong on the amt, i barely broke 2gb for the month, but it was all that torrent... took like 20+ hours to download it all... maybe they didnt say anything because typically i dont even break 500mb a month... only at 76mb now... who knows... i rarely tether because most places i have internet... but just casual tethering i wouldnt worry about it... not sure how they analyze the usage for each customer but i highly doubt there is an att employee watching every customer so it's gotta either be the monthly usage, huge spikes in data like i did, or both... was just saying i havent heard anything about it, and that bill has been settled... but they do catch ppl...
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This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.
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How about they upgrade their network to handle ALL the traffic and not keep selling/pushing devices that people use to consume data? IMO there is no abuse or "using too much" bandwidth. I bought an UNLIMITED data plan to use I see fit and use a device that has the capabilities to run apps that use bandwidth, I'm gonna use them when I want and as much as I want, and everyone that has such a device and plan should be able to. If more people would stand together and voice that they wouldn't be getting rid of the "1%". Customer service and providing a good wireless experience doesn't mean turning away customers that actually use the features that AT&T SOLD to them.
i feel like if im able to make my phone tether without their help and i have unlimited data i can do that... it's for MY USE AND ENJOYMENT.... i realize att and most customers dont feel the same, and any business model wont permit that, so im not trying to start an argument or anything... just how i feel about it all... i have an unlimited plan, that means i can use UNLIMITED DATA regardless of how i use it...
but to answer OP, stick with native android if casual tethering, just watch your back and usage... maybe look into the att plan if your gonna use it everyday
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i was wifi tethering... and i checked last months usage, was wrong on the amt, i barely broke 2gb for the month, but it was all that torrent... took like 20+ hours to download it all... maybe they didnt say anything because typically i dont even break 500mb a month... only at 76mb now... who knows... i rarely tether because most places i have internet... but just casual tethering i wouldnt worry about it... not sure how they analyze the usage for each customer but i highly doubt there is an att employee watching every customer so it's gotta either be the monthly usage, huge spikes in data like i did, or both... was just saying i havent heard anything about it, and that bill has been settled... but they do catch ppl...
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Right. Once in a while is ok. But there are some habitual consumers. Such accounts would get flagged. Cos they didn't complain when u consumed high a couple doesn't mean people aren't watching.
mxracer101 said:
How about they upgrade their network to handle ALL the traffic and not keep selling/pushing devices that people use to consume data? IMO there is no abuse or "using too much" bandwidth. I bought an UNLIMITED data plan to use I see fit and use a device that has the capabilities to run apps that use bandwidth, I'm gonna use them when I want and as much as I want, and everyone that has such a device and plan should be able to. If more people would stand together and voice that they wouldn't be getting rid of the "1%". Customer service and providing a good wireless experience doesn't mean turning away customers that actually use the features that AT&T SOLD to them.
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Right. And they could charge the unlimited at a premium price. No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.
diablo009 said:
Right. And they could charge the unlimited at a premium price. No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.
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Ha... no wars here The yelling was more at AT&T for effect.
diablo009 said:
No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.
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mxracer101 said:
Ha... no wars here The yelling was more at AT&T for effect.
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yes, please no forum fight LOL...
B-Naughty said:
yes, please no forum fight LOL...
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Yes. That would be the last thing I would want to do with my friends here
diablo009 said:
Yes. That would be the last thing I would want to do with my friends here
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With all the customers att has I'd think you'd need an insane amount of data usage to get noticed. I have unlimited and I used 4.5 gigs last month with zero tethering. Also they may filter your usage to see if your playing an online game or something, obviously if your communicating with a WoW server or BC2 server for three hours strait you're teathering. But if your just D/Ling stuff a lot they really can't tell because your phone could realistically be doing that where as obviously it can't play BC2 ;-)
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Clienterror said:
With all the customers att has I'd think you'd need an insane amount of data usage to get noticed. I have unlimited and I used 4.5 gigs last month with zero tethering. Also they may filter your usage to see if your playing an online game or something, obviously if your communicating with a WoW server or BC2 server for three hours strait you're teathering. But if your just D/Ling stuff a lot they really can't tell because your phone could realistically be doing that where as obviously it can't play BC2 ;-)
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I agree. They don't care what u do. But they could be raising alerts to the network team if usage crosses a certain level. Certainly, many customers satisfaction in any given area is considered more than one satisfied customer. Thinking from business angle here. Most of the alerts they may not bother, but if any tower is getting overloaded, then it would create a high priority issue for them, and that is when notice of high usage could be sent to consumers choking the network.
ejmeier1 said:
So with flashing a custom rom with 2.2, there's obviously the "mobile AP" function that's built into 2.2.
But my question is this: with ATT coming out with a $-per-month wireless tethering plan, will there come a time when they will be able to detect if we're using our phone's built in tethering, and automatically opt us into the $X a month plan?
Also, I've read other plans where you may get 2GB for the phone's data, and then an additional 2GB for tethered devices. How can they keep track of this? Can they tell if I am using my phone's tethering capabilities.
Obviously I'd like to continue to use my wifi tethering free of charge, and not have to pay ATT for their own service, much like Google Navigation vs ATT Navigator.
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Technically, yes they can tell that you're tethering... but not because the tether itself sends a red flag. It's the type of traffic that your "phone" is generating that can be a dead giveaway. For example, if the user agent on your browser says it's IE8 running on Windows 7 it's pretty suspicious. If you're running p2p, gaming or any other kinds of software or data patterns that aren't really expected from your phone then it could raise a red flag. They aren't sniffing everyone's packets. However, if you are using unusually high data amounts, they could start monitoring your traffic and determine that you are most likely tethering. I guess you could deny it. I'm not sure how far you could argue that or how far they could "prove" their side.
However, they're not in the business of running customers off. They aren't looking to lose or upset a customer. If you aren't abusing the tethering (ie excessive data usage on an unlimited plan) I highly doubt that they would care or desire to upset you. I do suspect that some day they may use this as a tool to get rid of the unlimited data plans. I also suspect that if you aren't on an unlimited plan they probably would never complain, since you are paying per gb. This is all speculation on my part.
-Rich
diablo009 said:
I agree. They don't care what u do. But they could be raising alerts to the network team if usage crosses a certain level. Certainly, many customers satisfaction in any given area is considered more than one satisfied customer. Thinking from business angle here. Most of the alerts they may not bother, but if any tower is getting overloaded, then it would create a high priority issue for them, and that is when notice of high usage could be sent to consumers choking the network.
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The most they would probably even do if they did happen to single out a user for "unreasonable usage" is maybe ask you to stop or take away data unlimited. the fine print in the brochure does not say anything about cash penalties for over use it just says it will not be allowed.