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[Q] Is encryption on jelly bean impossible to crack?

Hey guys,
So I encrypted my new nexus 7 last night using a 12 characters / 57 bits password with combination of letters, numbers, and symbols. Now supposedly someone get a hold of my tablet, will they have another way to retrieve my data without decrypting the tablet?

Nothing's ever "impossible" to crack, but it's extremely difficult and time consuming. Nobody's going to go to the trouble to try and decrypt your device, unless you are carrying extremely sensitive top-secret information regarding nuclear weapons that would be valuable to foreign powers. There's no other way to get it without decrypting, but if I'm not mistaken the device can be formatted to have the encryption removed. But they still can't get your data.
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Nothing's ever "impossible" to crack, but it's extremely difficult and time consuming. Nobody's going to go to the trouble to try and decrypt your device, unless you are carrying extremely sensitive top-secret information regarding nuclear weapons that would be valuable to foreign powers. There's no other way to get it without decrypting, but if I'm not mistaken the device can be formatted to have the encryption removed. But they still can't get your data.
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By time consuming, you could mean a few years or decades
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Of course if you're not storing anything of great importance, your tablet I would think will run slower than it should be.
If its files like pictures or documents you want to protect, I'd just keep them in strong password protected cloud storage, saving your tablet a lot of unnecessary processing.
Maybe this isn't the solution for you though, it depends on what it is you're so bothered about 'falling into the wrong hands' lol
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According to this android.com article, Android has used 128-bit AES encryption since its first implementation in 3.0. To get a sense of just how secure that is, see this EE Times article.
Of course, now that they know that your password is exactly 12 characters, you've significantly reduced your entropy (and I'm only half-joking here). At the end of the day, whatever is on your tablet is probably not worth the investment to brute-force. Identity theft is like lions hunting gazelles--the lion only has to be faster than one gazelle. Likewise, someone else's tablet will be easier to crack than yours.
Remember, though, that encryption is only a part of security. Recent high-profile court rulings have set the precedent that a judge can force a defendant to enter his or her device's password in order to decrypt the data contained therein (see this EFF article). Now let's suppose that your malefactor is somewhat more ruthless than a federal court. Whatever privacy you stand to lose by exposing your password and data, may just be less important than the dignity/body parts you stand to lose by resisting.
Just sayin'.

[Q] Why is it so slow?

New Nexus 6 user here...
I'll get right to the point. Why is this thing a slug? Out of the box it feels slow, rips through battery, etc. Listening to Pandora and turning the phone causing the display to switch from portrait to landscape causes the music to stop for 1/2 second! Ridiculous!
I figured rooting/unlocking and flashing custom roms would fix it.
Decrypting did not do anything.
Some apps freeze or run like crap.
Really disappointed in this.
I have a Note 4 and it smokes it. These are nearly identical hardware wise and I'm disappointed.
Been through numerous formats, image restores, CM encrypting and formatting to remove, blah! It's really getting annoying.
I use and rely on an app called Radarscope for skywarn and it's basically unusuable on this phone. Panning/scrolling is so choppy (like seconds per frame!) that's un-usable. Is this a lollipop issue?
I know there's no goodies like Wanam, etc. because xposed runs on dalvik only. So what's the point of running such a buggy and unsupported OS?
Or is there something underlying that I'm missing / doing wrong here?

cpufrost said:
New Nexus 6 user here...
I'll get right to the point. Why is this thing a slug? Out of the box it feels slow, rips through battery, etc. Listening to Pandora and turning the phone causing the display to switch from portrait to landscape causes the music to stop for 1/2 second! Ridiculous!
I figured rooting/unlocking and flashing custom roms would fix it.
Decrypting did not do anything.
Some apps freeze or run like crap.
Really disappointed in this.
I have a Note 4 and it smokes it. These are nearly identical hardware wise and I'm disappointed.
Been through numerous formats, image restores, CM encrypting and formatting to remove, blah! It's really getting annoying.
I use and rely on an app called Radarscope for skywarn and it's basically unusuable on this phone. Panning/scrolling is so choppy (like seconds per frame!) that's un-usable. Is this a lollipop issue?
I know there's no goodies like Wanam, etc. because xposed runs on dalvik only. So what's the point of running such a buggy and unsupported OS?
Or is there something underlying that I'm missing / doing wrong here?
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my nexus 6 is perfect, and fast as heck! what you can do is set your device up differently(as you can slow your device down by setting it up lousy), or root your device and set up your cpu differently. and, btw, decrypting it does nothing for performance. my n6 is still encrypted, and one of the fastest n6 around.

simms22 said:
my nexus 6 is perfect, and fast as heck! what you can do is set your device up differently(as you can slow your device down by setting it up lousy), or root your device and set up your cpu differently. and, btw, decrypting it does nothing for performance. my n6 is still encrypted, and one of the fastest n6 around.
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It has been wiped, rooted, just as I've set dozens of Android devices up in the past.
There's just something not right about this phone!
I mean, sure if you just flip through the built in stuff, it feels snappy and all but some programs I use feel slow like moving arms through water slow.
And yes, encryption kills storage i/o and is very apparent with some things, it should be optional not required. Or at least done in hardware with less footprint on storage performance.
I'd say try the app called radarscope but it's not free. This is the only time I've ever had an issue with this app. I'm thinking it's the OS (5.02) but since I cannot run 4.4.4 on this device, no proof. Radarscope will run on an iphone 3G and the scrolling is far better.
And for benchmarks, how about 39K on Antutu? And that's with the performance setting in CM12!
My Note 4 even out of the box was much quicker feeling.
When I set it up initially I chose to restore from Google Play (92 apps) and it took far longer than any other phone to actually install them. This is with a wifi connection (5GHz AC) that gets 150 up/down consistently with a 3ms ping so that's not it. I figured encryption killing i/o would slow down this and didn't really care.
Oh and stock battery life is poor.
35% to 11% in 45 minutes riding in the car with Pandora streaming. Ugh.
If the droid turbo had an unlocked bootloader...
Sigh
Maybe it's defective?
Do these have a high defect count?
And really nitpicking, there's a place for earbuds in the box but they did not include them. For $650 they should have! (But I don't care since I don't even use them but principle...)

Sell it
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cpufrost said:
It has been wiped, rooted, just as I've set dozens of Android devices up in the past.
There's just something not right about this phone!
I mean, sure if you just flip through the built in stuff, it feels snappy and all but some programs I use feel slow like moving arms through water slow.
And yes, encryption kills storage i/o and is very apparent with some things, it should be optional not required. Or at least done in hardware with less footprint on storage performance.
I'd say try the app called radarscope but it's not free. This is the only time I've ever had an issue with this app. I'm thinking it's the OS (5.02) but since I cannot run 4.4.4 on this device, no proof. Radarscope will run on an iphone 3G and the scrolling is far better.
And for benchmarks, how about 39K on Antutu? And that's with the performance setting in CM12!
My Note 4 even out of the box was much quicker feeling.
When I set it up initially I chose to restore from Google Play (92 apps) and it took far longer than any other phone to actually install them. This is with a wifi connection (5GHz AC) that gets 150 up/down consistently with a 3ms ping so that's not it. I figured encryption killing i/o would slow down this and didn't really care.
Oh and stock battery life is poor.
35% to 11% in 45 minutes riding in the car with Pandora streaming. Ugh.
If the droid turbo had an unlocked bootloader...
Sigh
Maybe it's defective?
Do these have a high defect count?
And really nitpicking, there's a place for earbuds in the box but they did not include them. For $650 they should have! (But I don't care since I don't even use them but principle...)
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cm is NOT known for performance. and the performance governor is the worst governor for performance(irony is in its name). i use ondemand/deadline, and get 58000+ on antutu while im still encrypted, running on a simple aosp rom. and, on top of that, i see 5.5-7 hours sot, running at 3033mhz/300mhz every day. yours being defective? thats a possibility.

cpufrost said:
New Nexus 6 user here...
Listening to Pandora and turning the phone causing the display to switch from portrait to landscape causes the music to stop for 1/2 second! Ridiculous!
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This is due to the left and right audio channels swapping when the device is rotated. You'll notice the cut out only occurs if the device is rotated clockwise.
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I'm running stock decrypted with franco r11 and it's fast as hell with 2 day battery life. No complaints here. You must have something setup wrong.

My brother has the note 4 and that thing lags in TouchWiz like crazy. My n6 doesn't act like his note 4.

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This is due to the left and right audio channels swapping when the device is rotated. You'll notice the cut out only occurs if the device is rotated clockwise.
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I'm running stock decrypted with franco r11 and it's fast as hell with 2 day battery life. No complaints here. You must have something setup wrong.
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Well that makes sense (the audio swap)...
I sold my M8 and replaced it with this device. I was running Viper 3.21 and it was super fast (upper 40's Antutu, 28K Quadrant) and no lag. iOS smooth!
Didn't think the bar would be so high with a nearly year old device.
I know the 805 can handle 1440 res because the Note 4 does with no problem.
They all will lag from time to time.
But a flagship device should not skip and jump when playing games like smacky cars and white tiles. The G3 did and got hot.
One thing I can say is this device runs cool. The CPU temp has never gone over 36C in TWRP when working. My Note 4 hits 67C when flashing roms in TWRP and feels hot. It also overclocks poorly as in +100MHz = reboots with any game. I may have to crack it open and check for faulty TIM application but otherwise at stock clocks does fine. It hits 47K Antutu / 25K Quadrant. Speaking of Quadrant it's hard to break 14K on the N6 but (again) it's an old benchmark and 5.0 may be the reason. It feels faster than 14K because my Note II gets that...
But there's lots of roms and options and that's why I tried this device in the first place. It feels and reminds me a lot of the G3 because of the smaller bezel space.
I wish there were more options for better icons for signal/wifi/battery. The stock ones are flat. CM themes are awesome so far but someone mentioned their performance is subpar and it seems to be the case here.
I will write the dev of radarscope to see what's up. A lot of weather nerds are also phone nerds so someone else has to notice this. It's bad, imagine buying a Ferarri that had a governor set at 25mph. You'd flip out too!

cpufrost said:
Listening to Pandora and turning the phone causing the display to switch from portrait to landscape causes the music to stop for 1/2 second! Ridiculous!
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This is definitely not an Android issue. That is an application problem. On rotate it is killing the process responsible for playback.
I figured rooting/unlocking and flashing custom roms would fix it.
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Why do you figure that?
Decrypting did not do anything.
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Somehow, I doubt that you actually decrypted anything. More likely you disabled forced encryption and wiped, allowing you to run UN-encrypted. Decryption is the process of CONVERTING encrypted data into un-encrypted data.
Some apps freeze or run like crap.
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I can write a program in ONE MINUTE that will absolutely murder the performance of ANY phone it runs on. Congrats, you just learned the difference between kiddy-coding and competent code written by people who actually paid attention during first year computer science.
I have a Note 4 and it smokes it. These are nearly identical hardware wise and I'm disappointed.
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Yes, but Note4 is running Android 4.4, which uses DALVIK VM. Nexus 6 runs Android RunTime ("ART"). That means that there are VAST differences in the code optimization techniques used, so where kiddy code ran *acceptably* on 4.4, the same kiddy code turns to hell on 5.0. Too bad your programs weren't written by competent people, because if it was, it would *already* run well.
Been through numerous formats, image restores, CM encrypting and formatting to remove, blah! It's really getting annoying.
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So quit wasting your time messing with things that are NOT responsible, and switch to well written software.
I use and rely on an app called Radarscope for skywarn and it's basically unusuable on this phone. Panning/scrolling is so choppy (like seconds per frame!) that's un-usable. Is this a lollipop issue?
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That is a KIDDY CODING problem. Contact the software vendor and complain.
I know there's no goodies like Wanam, etc. because xposed runs on dalvik only. So what's the point of running such a buggy and unsupported OS?
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Like I said, different optimization techniques are bringing out the badness in the software you are running.
It has been wiped, rooted, just as I've set dozens of Android devices up in the past.
There's just something not right about this phone!
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The phone is fine. You're running crappy software.
I mean, sure if you just flip through the built in stuff, it feels snappy and all but some programs I use feel slow like moving arms through water slow.
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So quit running bad software and/or complain to the vendor that their software is slow and buggy. Its not the phone, its not the OS, its the software.
And yes, encryption kills storage i/o and is very apparent with some things, it should be optional not required. Or at least done in hardware with less footprint on storage performance.
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The hardware crypto code was not released by qualcomm on time for the hardware to ship. It may be added to a later update.
And for benchmarks, how about 39K on Antutu? And that's with the performance setting in CM12!
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Try factory. CM is a bloated buggy slow hog.
When I set it up initially I chose to restore from Google Play (92 apps) and it took far longer than any other phone to actually install them. This is with a wifi connection (5GHz AC) that gets 150 up/down consistently with a 3ms ping so that's not it. I figured encryption killing i/o would slow down this and didn't really care.
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Crypto.
Oh and stock battery life is poor. 35% to 11% in 45 minutes riding in the car with Pandora streaming. Ugh.
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CM is a bloated hog, and we've already established that pandora is kiddy-coded.
If the droid turbo had an unlocked bootloader...
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Moto Maxx is the unlocked bootloader of the droid turbo, you can import them from Mexico.
But FYI: internally, they and Nexus 6 are *the same*.
Maybe it's defective? Do these have a high defect count?
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Nope. There is no known hardware defect that would cause kiddy-coded software to exert itself like that.
And really nitpicking, there's a place for earbuds in the box but they did not include them. For $650 they should have! (But I don't care since I don't even use them but principle...)
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Probably because NOBODY uses them.
simms22 said:
cm is NOT known for performance. and the performance governor is the worst governor for performance(irony is in its name). i use ondemand/deadline, and get 58000+ on antutu while im still encrypted, running on a simple aosp rom. and, on top of that, i see 5.5-7 hours sot, running at 3033mhz/300mhz every day. yours being defective? thats a possibility.
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That.

The device was verified running un-encrypted. The update from CM actually encrypted it again. I'm leaving it encrypted for now as to remove it requires formatting and losing everything on internal storage. Gee, would not be an issue if there was an external SD card. At least HTC did it right with a slot, on a device this big you would think they would have too.
I will say that copying from my laptop (which is usb 3.0) to the internal storage is quite speedy. Have to see how fast 5GHz AC is via airdroid. I know the G3 hit 20MB/S over their air which was very decent.
I'm running AOSP and it's better for sure (51K Antutu). Now to find a kernel and tweaker (have both paid versions from kt and faux) and o/c this cpu to 3GHz. Stopped OC for the past month because my N4 just doesn't do it.
But the problem with Radarscope exists and I will definitely contact the developer.
I will try a lollipop rom and see if it that indeed is the issue.
If so I will probably just get rid of the N6 and keep my Note 4 on KitKat until L becomes more mature and supporting things we like to run. Honestly 4.4.4 is quite nice and I see zero advantages of using L right now. It reminds me when Vista came out and everyone was still using XP. Possibly the next big release will be the next Windows 7.
And for the record, I can stream for *days* on both my iphone 6 plus and note 4 running pandora.
That "test" was pure stock from the ATT store coming home. I know the stock experience can be disappointing but that's pretty sad to be honest.

cpufrost said:
But the problem with Radarscope exists and I will definitely contact the developer.
I will try a lollipop rom and see if it that indeed is the issue.
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I use RadarScope on my DROID MAXX (stock 4.4.4, no root) and my Nexus 7 (stock 5.0.2, no root) fine with no problems. I've never had a problem with this app. I don't think this is kiddy coding.

cpufrost said:
But the problem with Radarscope exists and I will definitely contact the developer.
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radarscope works perfectly fine on my n6 band lollipop.. im gonna assume the issue is on your end, and not the app. $9.99 for that app, is a bit expensive. i generally use the rainy days app, its free.
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polecat409 said:
I use RadarScope on my DROID MAXX (stock 4.4.4, no root) and my Nexus 7 (stock 5.0.2, no root) fine with no problems. I've never had a problem with this app. I don't think this is kiddy coding.
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Thanks for the reply.
I have to wonder why it's so bad.
The main issue is pinch zooming and scrolling and with this app you have to do it constantly.
PYKL3 is also acting kind of weird too. Usually it's blazing fast but when zoomed all the way in it feels sluggish like it's getting stuck. I don't use it nearly as much as radarscope but usually (PYKL3) is fast on my other android devices.

simms22 said:
radarscope works perfectly fine on my n6 band lollipop.. im gonna assume the issue is on your end, and not the app. $9.99 for that app, is a bit expensive. i generally use the rainy days app, its free.
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A screen shot does not show the problem though. The problem is panning and zooming. It's incredibly slow and on this device only.
The free apps aren't really suitable for me, I have to be able to use different modes, and dual polarity support, etc.
I will let them know, however. My subscriptions alone for these services I use are hundreds of dollars per year!

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My subscriptions alone for these services I use are hundreds of dollars per year!
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damn!
i get all the info i need from rainy days. you should at least check it out, and it works properly(doesnt pan around slowly).

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damn!
i get all the info i need from rainy days. you should at least check it out, and it works properly(doesnt pan around slowly).
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I've had radarscope since iOS 3 days when I was using a 3GS.
When I tried Android for the first time (Galaxy Tab 10.1) I was disappointed they did not have it (yet). So I used rainy days. It was OK and I recommend it to friends (along with DARXEN which is free).
But the support that radarscope has to be able to use in the palm of your hand is impressive. Amazing how things have come in a few short years. I don't chase any more but I do follow things and when out on the course (golf) or riding the trails, like to keep up on things.
Still waiting for a real time SMS lightning data app. Pinpoint lightning (iOS) was boss but they pretty much abandoned that project. You could literally watch a bolt strike in the pasture and within a few seconds the screen would flash and show a point in the screen that was accurate to under a 100 feet or so.
I'm sure there would be tons of these apps but there's tremendous liability and golfers and boaters would put too much faith in it and that's never a good thing.

akellar said:
Sell it
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I did!
And why? Because I got a 64GB version from Google Play!
I figured 32GB may be too small if I keep it longer...
Running Euphoria (updated today) and runs good.
No changes from original with some programs but as I've seen on an S5 with 5.02 it's the OS not the device causing issues. No way (yet) around that...
And manual camera app works great on this device. 50iso on a smart phone is nuts! Finally user adjustable focus. Now I don't miss my HTC One M8 at all! (especially 4MP pix!)
Wireless charging on this rocks! Using the TILT charger, it's near perfect and keeps the thing topped off. No more wear and tear on the USB connector. I just ordered the clear UAG case and when I get it I'm going to remove the silver letters so it doesn't read NEXGEN on the back!

cpufrost said:
I did!
And why? Because I got a 64GB version from Google Play!
I figured 32GB may be too small if I keep it longer...
Running Euphoria (updated today) and runs good.
No changes from original with some programs but as I've seen on an S5 with 5.02 it's the OS not the device causing issues. No way (yet) around that...
And manual camera app works great on this device. 50iso on a smart phone is nuts! Finally user adjustable focus. Now I don't miss my HTC One M8 at all! (especially 4MP pix!)
Wireless charging on this rocks! Using the TILT charger, it's near perfect and keeps the thing topped off. No more wear and tear on the USB connector. I just ordered the clear UAG case and when I get it I'm going to remove the silver letters so it doesn't read NEXGEN on the back!
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Which silver letters? The built-in "NEXUS" ones? If you don't want to see that, buy a vinyl sticker from slickwraps or dbrand to cover it up, in case you want to sell it later

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Which silver letters? The built-in "NEXUS" ones? If you don't want to see that, buy a vinyl sticker from slickwraps or dbrand to cover it up, in case you want to sell it later
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The UAG letters on the case. Turned upside down it spells GEN. When the case is on the phone the NEX part shows and the US is hidden. The end result is NEXGEN! Removing the stickers on the case will reveal NEXUS and IMO looks better.
I wish UAG would not put the aluminized stickers on the clear version of their cases for this reason. Otherwise, it's a pretty decent case.
And good suggestion on covering up letters. I never deface my phones for that reason, to maximize resell value! :good:

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The UAG letters on the case. Turned upside down it spells GEN. When the case is on the phone the NEX part shows and the US is hidden. The end result is NEXGEN! Removing the stickers on the case will reveal NEXUS and IMO looks better.
I wish UAG would not put the aluminized stickers on the clear version of their cases for this reason. Otherwise, it's a pretty decent case.
And good suggestion on covering up letters. I never deface my phones for that reason, to maximize resell value! :good:
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[Q] Hypothetical, storing a file worth $50,000 on your phone

I'm debating buying a Chinese Cyanogenmod phone. That got me thinking about security. People have different ways of dealing with it. I tend to prefer trying to keep my main phone secure. If you have an unrooted iPhone do you prefer to do banking on that? Or a linux laptop? Or a blackberry? Or do you keep one phone particularly clean for this kind of thing?
Lets say you have a file worth $50,000 and you had to store it on a phone, what would you choose and why?
Hoping for a fun but heated civilised discussion, though one word answers are welcome :good:

Windows Phone. Apart from fact I love it anyway, no one cares about it, and you look more inconspicuous than if you had a BlackBerry. Bonus points if its also one of the last Nokia's, as it can be uses as a weapon in a pinch.
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No system is secure.
All devices can be hacked.
For a 50,000$ file , an elaborate storage transfer can be executed ...I won't be using any phone to transfer it ...

A 50.000 quid file? I'd happily store it on my Note 3. Nobody expects an artist to carry a file lile that on a regular phone, I don't leave my phone anywhere, never hand it over, and I always have all connections off unless I'm using it. (I'm a bit ocd when it comes to batterylife.) And I always do my banking on it, just never over open/public wifi points.
And I'd disguise it as something else. I've had to deal with documents that required a confidentiality agreement, and my best method is renaming the entire file, including the extension, into something inconspicuous.
Nameless64.png (or .psd for a big file) is not going to stand out amongst the other 8900 nameless files in my 450 'New Folder's. (Yes, I'm hopeless at file management.)
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karandpr said:
No system is secure.
All devices can be hacked.
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This is true, that's why both shadowlea and I suggested looking inconspicuous instead of having the best file security. I personally chose windows phone because your less likely to be found on a random hacking attempt, as not enough people one to make hacking it worthwhile.
Definitely renaming it and changing the file extension should be done also.
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And if you want to be really, really thorough, zip it, rar the zip, then zip it again, then rename it to a jpg or pdf or psd. (Or whatever is most likely to be on your system. PSD makes sense for a designer, but not for an engineer.).
That way they can't locate the file by scanning the device, as the code's changed as well. And double compress it, because you can't scan a compressed file inside a compressed file.
And yes, I have put far too much thought into this. :silly:

I would create and app to store that file, so the file is protected by Android permissions.
No, really, the best way is to encrypt it with a password or a password-protected key. In that case, no matter who has the file, only who knows the password can decrypt it and access the data.

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I would create and app to store that file, so the file is protected by Android permissions.
No, really, the best way is to encrypt it with a password or a password-protected key. In that case, no matter who has the file, only who knows the password can decrypt it and access the data.
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I agree. Use es file explorer to encrypt. Select the option to encrypt file name and then the name of the file is just a string of numbers. Store that in a sub file of the android system, and everyone will just think its another system file.
Too much trouble but you could also store the encrypted file in the root directory, then unroot the phone.
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A 50.000 quid file? I'd happily store it on my Note 3. Nobody expects an artist to carry a file lile that on a regular phone, I don't leave my phone anywhere, never hand it over, and I always have all connections off unless I'm using it. (I'm a bit ocd when it comes to batterylife.) And I always do my banking on it, just never over open/public wifi points.
And I'd disguise it as something else. I've had to deal with documents that required a confidentiality agreement, and my best method is renaming the entire file, including the extension, into something inconspicuous.
Nameless64.png (or .psd for a big file) is not going to stand out amongst the other 8900 nameless files in my 450 'New Folder's. (Yes, I'm hopeless at file management.)
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Jesse72 said:
This is true, that's why both shadowlea and I suggested looking inconspicuous instead of having the best file security. I personally chose windows phone because your less likely to be found on a random hacking attempt, as not enough people one to make hacking it worthwhile.
Definitely renaming it and changing the file extension should be done also.
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And if you want to be really, really thorough, zip it, rar the zip, then zip it again, then rename it to a jpg or pdf or psd. (Or whatever is most likely to be on your system. PSD makes sense for a designer, but not for an engineer.).
That way they can't locate the file by scanning the device, as the code's changed as well. And double compress it, because you can't scan a compressed file inside a compressed file.
And yes, I have put far too much thought into this. :silly:
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It works against common folks.
Against any professional worth his salt ,these techniques are pretty much worthless. On the contrary you are helping the professional by filtering the file from the rest
. Any Professional is adept to work with 100K' s of files per request so obfuscation by numbers or type is pretty much pointless.
Encryption works fine. Except for a small part. Data is destroyed if key is destroyed and in such scenario the value of 50K file is worthless.
Any open system is easily hackable or accessible. To secure 50K worth data on a continuous basis ,you are better off using a prop. system whose standards are known to limited set of people. It filters out most common attacks .
Of course every system fails in front of a pipe wrench
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Well this is funny to have posted this beforehand. I just upgraded to S5 yesterday and I have this KNOX and Samsungs private mode stuff now. Previously I was using PrivacyGuard with CM11...
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karandpr said:
It works against common folks.
Against any professional worth his salt ,these techniques are pretty much worthless. On the contrary you are helping the professional by filtering the file from the rest
. Any Professional is adept to work with 100K' s of files per request so obfuscation by numbers or type is pretty much pointless.
Encryption works fine. Except for a small part. Data is destroyed if key is destroyed and in such scenario the value of 50K file is worthless.
Any open system is easily hackable or accessible. To secure 50K worth data on a continuous basis ,you are better off using a prop. system whose standards are known to limited set of people. It filters out most common attacks .
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Technically speaking, any selfrespecting professional would put the file on a storage medium that isn't connected to anything. A microSD folded inside a piece of aluminium foil is pretty much steal-proof.
Well, digitally speaking, anyway. No encryption or software is going to protect you from someone who hits you on the head with a blunt object and physically steals the storage device. And they don't work all that well against guns, either.
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Well this is funny to have posted this beforehand. I just upgraded to S5 yesterday and I have this KNOX and Samsungs private mode stuff now. Previously I was using PrivacyGuard with CM11...
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If you trip KNOX, the KNOX container is destroyed. So if you intend to use it, you can't trip it to 0x1.
Also, if you had any files inside the container when you tripped the fuse, they're wiped as well.

Try to really imagine that you're in that situation where you must use a phone. No dodging the question by using offline storage!
How would you actually feel about it?
Personally I would feel nervous about it because by law only devices with closed source modem code are allowed to connect to phone networks. In turn we have seen this as a backdoor that allows access to the phone. And we have then seen the likes of the NSA using this to access our phones.
So there is no phone out there that isn't back doored.
But... some have more protection than others and to all intents and purposes is someone at the NSA going to bother with $50k?
I don't know. This is half the point of this question. I am curious to see how other people react in the situation. Because there are a whole range of threats. The question becomes - what level should we protect to? Certainly that dodgy flashlight app. But also we have seen the FBI steal Bit coin funds during investigation so I would argue that this could be a realistic aim to think about. But then probably the FBI aren't going to be looking through your phone - who knows.
The point is to view things from others viewpoint to try to learn something.. In particular I was hoping to see points of views from different countries where spare is more common. For example in China we have a different kind of insecurity. Something that might have been discussed and discovered as a result of this hypotetical thought game might have been that a Chinese phone is or isn't easier to lock down than a USA one.
now you're going to look at my paranoid post instead of coming up with your own responses... which could just have been to stick it on a factory stock phone and not worry.
But that's also something I'm interested in. We all lead different lives. So I wonder if it's easier for others to deal with. The example.of an artist above is a good one. Really imagine you have that file, and it must be on a phone
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jago25_98 said:
Try to really imagine that you're in that situation where you must use a phone. No dodging the question by using offline storage!
How would you actually feel about it?
Personally I would feel nervous about it because by law only devices with closed source modem code are allowed to connect to phone networks. In turn we have seen this as a backdoor that allows access to the phone. And we have then seen the likes of the NSA using this to access our phones.
So there is no phone out there that isn't back doored.
But... some have more protection than others and to all intents and purposes is someone at the NSA going to bother with $50k?
I don't know. This is half the point of this question. I am curious to see how other people react in the situation. Because there are a whole range of threats. The question becomes - what level should we protect to? Certainly that dodgy flashlight app. But also we have seen the FBI steal Bit coin funds during investigation so I would argue that this could be a realistic aim to think about. But then probably the FBI aren't going to be looking through your phone - who knows.
The point is to view things from others viewpoint to try to learn something.. In particular I was hoping to see points of views from different countries where spare is more common. For example in China we have a different kind of insecurity. Something that might have been discussed and discovered as a result of this hypotetical thought game might have been that a Chinese phone is or isn't easier to lock down than a USA one.
now you're going to look at my paranoid post instead of coming up with your own responses... which could just have been to stick it on a factory stock phone and not worry.
But that's also something I'm interested in. We all lead different lives. So I wonder if it's easier for others to deal with. The example.of an artist above is a good one. Really imagine you have that file, and it must be on a phone
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Use phone in offline mode as storage, Or use a smartphone. adb perma locked , fastboot locked, Internet routed via private server with a whitelist to filter the network.
That will protect you against online intrusion,
A pickpocket can steal your phone and make a mockery of your security measures ...
Government officials can take you into custody and get the data from you.
Cyber warfare and security is over rated beyond feasible limits.
You are more likely to get mugged than hacked.

The note 4.

Case similar to eyepatch? (privacy slider for cameras)

I tried searching google, amazon, and this forum. No dice.
Anyone heard of a case for note8 that is both decent and also has some kind of physical slider for the camera?
I've only found one online, and its only for junk iphones lol.
Figured I'd ask. Thanks!

This is more gay than everything else that has ever been gay before for a phone accessory. Just my 2 cents... :laugh:
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Dejan Sathanas said:
This is more gay than everything else that has ever been gay before for a phone accessory. Just my 2 cents... :laugh:
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Noted.
However, it is more gay having some fat dude spying on yourthrough your selfie cam unknowingly while you are getting dressed/naked.

cricketpaddleinmyhand said:
Noted.
However, it is more gay having some fat dude spying on yourthrough your selfie cam unknowingly while you are getting dressed/naked.
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If someone can see you through the phone's cameras, you have bigger issues then some fat dude seeing your junk.

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Dejan Sathanas said:
This is more gay than everything else that has ever been gay before for a phone accessory. Just my 2 cents... [emoji23]
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You need to be more in line with your verbiage. Gay is not a politically correct word to use these days. I'm thinking using the word " so hetro", as opposed to so gay. Thoughts?
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That is actually a good idea. I don't see why case manufacturers don't include this in their case designs as it would add another layer of protection to camera sensor.

cricketpaddleinmyhand said:
Noted.
However, it is more gay having some fat dude spying on yourthrough your selfie cam unknowingly while you are getting dressed/naked.
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There is absolutely no way, and I mean zero, someone could be looking at you through your selfie cam without you knowing.
Firstly, when the screen is off, the device cuts the feed to the camera. You can test this by using any number of apps that allow video calling and video call a friend using all of them and turn the screen off during the call. Your friend should report your video feed either freezing or going away entirely.
Secondly, and this is the most important one, the only way someone would be able to have access to your selfie cam is if you installed an app from some unknown source that grants someone access to use your selfie cam without your knowledge. And even then, you'd have to give the app permission to use the camera, first. Apps can't just start using your camera or your microphone without you knowing about it. They need explicit permission, first.
So, if this is a concern for you, go into all the apps in your app manager and turn off the camera permission for every app, except your camera. Or, hell, turn that off also, if you're scared Samsung is spying on you, like someone else on this forum is.
These devices aren't like Windows. You can't accidentally go onto a website and suddenly someone is using your webcam to look at you. Very nearly anything that happens on your device needs your explicit permission. They can't just take control of sensors or install apps willy-nilly without your knowledge.
Also, something someone said once about people sticking tape over their webcam on their laptops; let's say something like this actually happened. Your device is presumably laying on your desk or in your pocket for most of the day. So, for a good portion of the day, whomever is spying through your selfie cam will be looking at a ceiling or a dark pocket. The couple of times that you are using your device, all they'll be looking at is your face, looking at your screen. They can't see what you're doing or looking at, only your face. Why would someone want to hack your device just to look at your face for 5 minutes, a couple of times a day and look at the ceiling the rest of the day (this is assuming also they can access the camera while the device's screen is off, which they can't. So, essentially they'll be looking at a blank camera feed and staring at their monitor all day for that hopeful chance they'll catch you checking your email for 2 minutes, which won't help them anything, again, as all they'll see is your face and not what you're doing).
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No need to be so paranoid about anyone spying on you. Trust me, your life isn't that interesting and the ceiling of your work place isn't either.

Max_Terrible said:
There is absolutely no way, and I mean zero, someone could be looking at you through your selfie cam without you knowing.
Firstly, when the screen is off, the device cuts the feed to the camera. You can test this by using any number of apps that allow video calling and video call a friend using all of them and turn the screen off during the call. Your friend should report your video feed either freezing or going away entirely.
Secondly, and this is the most important one, the only way someone would be able to have access to your selfie cam is if you installed an app from some unknown source that grants someone access to use your selfie cam without your knowledge. And even then, you'd have to give the app permission to use the camera, first. Apps can't just start using your camera or your microphone without you knowing about it. They need explicit permission, first.
So, if this is a concern for you, go into all the apps in your app manager and turn off the camera permission for every app, except your camera. Or, hell, turn that off also, if you're scared Samsung is spying on you, like someone else on this forum is.
These devices aren't like Windows. You can't accidentally go onto a website and suddenly someone is using your webcam to look at you. Very nearly anything that happens on your device needs your explicit permission. They can't just take control of sensors or install apps willy-nilly without your knowledge.
Also, something someone said once about people sticking tape over their webcam on their laptops; let's say something like this actually happened. Your device is presumably laying on your desk or in your pocket for most of the day. So, for a good portion of the day, whomever is spying through your selfie cam will be looking at a ceiling or a dark pocket. The couple of times that you are using your device, all they'll be looking at is your face, looking at your screen. They can't see what you're doing or looking at, only your face. Why would someone want to hack your device just to look at your face for 5 minutes, a couple of times a day and look at the ceiling the rest of the day (this is assuming also they can access the camera while the device's screen is off, which they can't. So, essentially they'll be looking at a blank camera feed and staring at their monitor all day for that hopeful chance they'll catch you checking your email for 2 minutes, which won't help them anything, again, as all they'll see is your face and not what you're doing).
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No need to be so paranoid about anyone spying on you. Trust me, your life isn't that interesting and the ceiling of your work place isn't either.
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And yet, my question still stands and I still am looking for a case like this.
Thanks for the reply and information sir.

But the question is why? Lol. If it was a major concern wouldn't you think case manufacturing companies would jump on the chance to make a quick buck off people's paranoia? They would be offering all sorts of microphone blockers, cameras covers, etc..

luisramon17 said:
But the question is why? Lol. If it was a major concern wouldn't you think case manufacturing companies would jump on the chance to make a quick buck off people's paranoia? They would be offering all sorts of microphone blockers, cameras covers, etc..
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Exactly this.

cricketpaddleinmyhand said:
And yet, my question still stands and I still am looking for a case like this.
Thanks for the reply and information sir.
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Just buy any case, cutout a piece of paper, paint it if you would like, stick upper side of the paper to the case and thats it.
Idc if some fat dude is watching me. I always leave my phone upside down and also i dont use dex station so no way of anyone seeing me.
Also go ahead and test it yourself, open a videocall in whatsapp, when you turn the screen of the feed will freeze. If you still dont want to leave it as is, try the method i gave, works everytime. Or simply you can 3d print a case for yourself.

All that noise. If can be done in any way it is being done. You public schooled parrots.

To those of you that state it cannot be done or you have nothing to worry about you are VERY wrong. It happens all the time and doesn't take much to be able to infiltrate someones personal phone and turn on the mic or any of the cameras and apps WITHOUT alerting the end user(Yes that means even if the screen is off). Its a fairly common practice, so much so that those in my line of work that take it seriously buy the Vysk QS1 Quantum Security Case. The Vysk takes it a step further and also encrypts your phone calls. Information security is no joke and is rampant in the corporate espionage world. What the OP is looking for is a basic version of the Vysk that only blocks the cameras I think that is a great move and you should too. If you do not congratulations you been dumbed down and made so docile that you believe the world is all rainbows and fairytales. lol OP if you cannot afford the Vysk do what I used to do and tape the cameras with a small dot of electrical tape. Also to you entrepreneurial types, there is a market for camera blocking phone cases. Get on it!!!!
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Also, OP forgot to mention there is a cheap alternative for the mic as well it's called Mic-Lock. There are also small webcam/phone cam sliders that are sold on Amazon just search webcam cover slider. And as another FYI your phone continues to gather data whether it is off or in airplane mode or not. The gyros and all the sensors are actually dialed up in when the phone is in airplane mode and caches all info recorded. As soon as it connects to a tower the cache is sent over to the servers. This is not science fiction or a conspiracy theory it is fact! Whether you choose to believe it or not. So much so that VIP's in many industries carry around portable dead boxes or what you would call a faraday cage to prevent information from exiting or entering the phone during closed-door meetings. You are right in worrying about your privacy OP as everyone should be....

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blah blah blah smartphone conspiracy
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OK just for clarification, why get a bloody smartphone in the first place........ I mean the only vibe I get from your post is to never get a smartphone, actually even a cell phone might be exposing yourself to unwanted "privacy intrusion", actually scratch that, the internet is a big flaming heap of privacy intrusion...... I hear foil makes for an excellent Faraday cage

SteelPicori said:
OK just for clarification, why get a bloody smartphone in the first place........ I mean the only vibe I get from your post is to never get a smartphone, actually even a cell phone might be exposing yourself to unwanted "privacy intrusion", actually scratch that, the internet is a big flaming heap of privacy intrusion...... I hear foil makes for an excellent Faraday cage
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hahahaha always with the tin foil labels. Jest all you want brother but in my industry and many other information security is no joke. So much so that it has grown to 100 billion dollar A YEAR industry. The numbers and security methods do not lie. If it wasn't an issue I wouldn't have a job right now.
Don't take my word for it, do your own independent research or don't and trust the bought and paid publications of your choice. I cannot post links due to me just joining this forum but if you search "Forbes Information security growth" you will see the industry went from 75B a year in 2015 to 124B in 2019. Click the second search result to read the article. Educate yourself instead of throwing out labels when you know absolutely nothing about the topic.

Juice56 said:
Educate yourself instead of throwing out labels when you know absolutely nothing about the topic.
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Always interesting when this is thrown out, look I do not doubt that infosec is a big thing, not only on a commercial level but on a national level too, I am all too aware of how unguarded our national infrastructure is. There are without doubts individuals and organisations who can easily compromise any given assests in our possession.
It is a game is acceptable risk, that is, I do not believe myself to be a valuable enough target, that they might expose themselves to detection, just for a bunch of compromising media on me, I mitigate some of this risk by following smart internet usage and not leaving anything that maybe valuable on an expose attack surface.
So again I will ask, because you did not answer, why get a smartphone given how large of an attack surface such a device pose, or indeed even use the internet.

Juice56 said:
To those of you that state it cannot be done or you have nothing to worry about you are VERY wrong.
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Me, myself, am not too concerned about this. There is nothing, anyone can learn from hacking my camera or my mic. Firstly, they will notice my phone lays on my desk for a large part of the day and they will be staring at the ceiling, or the inside of my pocket. As far the mic is concerned, they'll only hear the radio station I prefer to listen to and sometimes the podcasts I listen to. As far as conversation, English isn't my native language, so they'll only hear me talking in a foreign language which they most likely won't understand, and even if they do, it will by and large be about my work, which is electrical repairs. I doubt them hearing me promising a client his board will be ready in 2 days, will be all that interesting.
Then of course, there is also the matter if they were happening to stream video or audio data from my device, I would notice very quickly, as my data bundles will run out very fast and I will notice the bandwidth traffic on my device, as I also have network traffic monitoring apps on my device so I can see which apps are the data hogs.
This is one thing conspiracy theorists never consider, is that it's not like in the movies where this information is streamed in real time with no means of noticing it. It would require an internet connection and needs to transfer large amounts of data. People on limited packages will notice their data running out very quickly, or if the person has a slow connection, they certainly won't be able to stream HD footage from a mobile device.
It might be possible to do the things you speak of, but it certainly won't be inconspicuous.

SteelPicori said:
So again I will ask, because you did not answer, why get a smartphone given how large of an attack surface such a device pose, or indeed even use the internet.
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Assumptions.... I personally have a dumb phone but I am required to have a smartphone for work which is always in its vysk case that was included due to my works security measures. They are pricey! So if you are looking to purchase one yourself be prepared to pay to play.

Juice56 said:
Assumptions.... I personally have a dumb phone but I am required to have a smartphone for work which is always in its vysk case that was included due to my works security measures. They are pricey! So if you are looking to purchase one yourself be prepared to pay to play.
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Never made any assumptions, just did not notice your recommendation to the OP to forego his smartphone and get a standard cell phone (which are by no means any less secure given that even modern feature phones also runs on some OS or other that probably can parse java applets). I always thought that infosec would be using phones similar to the blackphone and call it a day.

Moved to iOS

I'll probably get a lot of hate for this, but after 10 years of being an avid Android fan and supporter, I have moved back to iOS and the iPhone 14 Pro Max.
All I can say is I don't regret it one bit. I was the first to make fun of iPhone users in the past, but Apple have made such strides, it's a real pleasure to be back. Yes Apple wait years to implement features that have been available on Android for ages and call it new and revolutionary, but what they do, they do better than anyone else. The biggest thing is just the cohesiveness between the hardware and software. Everything works flawlessly together and the user interface looks great.
What has annoyed me with Android are things like manufacturers not having their own email or messaging apps. You're forced to download a third party app which never really feels in tune with the particular phone/skin/version of Android. And yes you can say the Gmail app is the stock Android email app, but not everyone is a fan, including me. I know it's probably unavoidable due to nature of AOSP, but still, there is a clear divide between the hardware and software for the most part compared to iOS.
The other thing that stopped me using (and mocking) iOS is the fact that a lot of things were a pain in the backside to do and the general incompatibility with a lot of platforms. That seems to have changed as well as I had no issues connecting directly to my NAS drive and Windows PC to access all my files, either while on the same LAN or through 5G when I'm not at home. Youtube Vanced (now ReVanced) was another big thing, but you have options in iOS for that as well.
App tracking was another reason I made the switch. You can simply disable app tracking for all apps with one toggle and all newly installed apps will abide by this as well. Yes, no one really knows if it stops all tracking in its entirety, but it's an option that is not available in Android. You can use a third party app like Blokada to achieve the same result, but you cannot run a VPN service at the same time. Now I can run my VPN service and have app tracking blocked at the same time. Not to mention battery life. I am not a super heavy user, but I get three days out of a single charge with 20% battery left. Even with heavy use, you will struggle to kill this thing's battery in a day as you get 10-14 hours of screen on time depending on how you use it. Standby drain is also nonexistent, the bane of so many Android users' lives, mine included. The cameras and especially video recording is also top notch. Possibly a little boring compared to some of the features you get in Android, but as an everyday point and shoot device, it's hard to beat.
Notifications is the one thing where I would say I still prefer the way it's done in Android, but with everything else working so well I can forgive that. Price is another drawback as Apple charge ridiculous amounts for their hardware, so this is the only time in 10 years where I will keep the same phone for more than a year.
I will still keep my Pixel and have it as a backup phone, but for now I am super happy I made the switch. And I will understand it if not many of you agree.

Biggenz said:
And I will understand it if not many of you agree.
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It's not about whether we agree, but whether we care. We don't.

Good luck and let us know when you return....

galaxys said:
Good luck and let us know when you return....
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Biggenz said:
I'll probably get a lot of hate for this, but after 10 years of being an avid Android fan and supporter, I have moved back to iOS and the iPhone 14 Pro Max.
All I can say is I don't regret it one bit. I was the first to make fun of iPhone users in the past, but Apple have made such strides, it's a real pleasure to be back. Yes Apple wait years to implement features that have been available on Android for ages and call it new and revolutionary, but what they do, they do better than anyone else. The biggest thing is just the cohesiveness between the hardware and software. Everything works flawlessly together and the user interface looks great.
What has annoyed me with Android are things like manufacturers not having their own email or messaging apps. You're forced to download a third party app which never really feels in tune with the particular phone/skin/version of Android. And yes you can say the Gmail app is the stock Android email app, but not everyone is a fan, including me. I know it's probably unavoidable due to nature of AOSP, but still, there is a clear divide between the hardware and software for the most part compared to iOS.
The other thing that stopped me using (and mocking) iOS is the fact that a lot of things were a pain in the backside to do and the general incompatibility with a lot of platforms. That seems to have changed as well as I had no issues connecting directly to my NAS drive and Windows PC to access all my files, either while on the same LAN or through 5G when I'm not at home. Youtube Vanced (now ReVanced) was another big thing, but you have options in iOS for that as well.
App tracking was another reason I made the switch. You can simply disable app tracking for all apps with one toggle and all newly installed apps will abide by this as well. Yes, no one really knows if it stops all tracking in its entirety, but it's an option that is not available in Android. You can use a third party app like Blokada to achieve the same result, but you cannot run a VPN service at the same time. Now I can run my VPN service and have app tracking blocked at the same time. Not to mention battery life. I am not a super heavy user, but I get three days out of a single charge with 20% battery left. Even with heavy use, you will struggle to kill this thing's battery in a day as you get 10-14 hours of screen on time depending on how you use it. Standby drain is also nonexistent, the bane of so many Android users' lives, mine included. The cameras and especially video recording is also top notch. Possibly a little boring compared to some of the features you get in Android, but as an everyday point and shoot device, it's hard to beat.
Notifications is the one thing where I would say I still prefer the way it's done in Android, but with everything else working so well I can forgive that. Price is another drawback as Apple charge ridiculous amounts for their hardware, so this is the only time in 10 years where I will keep the same phone for more than a year.
I will still keep my Pixel and have it as a backup phone, but for now I am super happy I made the switch. And I will understand it if not many of you agree.
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Most sincere condolences

I agree with you. System IOS showed myself very good thought last years. I think that IOS more stability than Android OS thought it has not so great functionality.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
It's not about whether we agree, but whether we care. We don't.
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Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
It's not about whether we agree, but whether we care. We don't.
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Actually, that's a rather self-indulgent/pompous comment to assume that "we" don't care. "You" might not care but I'm glad to hear about the experiences of people that have had both Android and Apple products. I've had Windows mobile phones and am now going on my 4th or 5th Android device, but I've never had an Apple product. I'm very much interested in the point of view of somebody that has lived with both products.

TravisBean said:
*useless drivel snipped"
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Please. At the time this thread was originally posted it was in the Pixel 6 forums...an Android phone. The only reason they made that post was to grab the spotlight. And you fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Please. At the time this thread was originally posted it was in the Pixel 6 forums...an Android phone. The only reason they made that post was to grab the spotlight. And you fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.
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You're the one with Apple on your face

iPhone 14 Pro Max? are you sure?))

Android is just far better than iOS at this stage, it might be cohesive and all but honestly it still sucks

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The good thing about Android for me is F-Droid.
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And the ability to install any apk.

I promised myself that I would never use IOS. Android is enough for me and for now, I will stick to this position, but maybe someday I will change my mind just like you.