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GPU Overclocking

I've been playing with the GPU clocks and here's the result with the CPU running at 500MHz and the GPU at 200MHz (I think).
This is actually a better Neocore score than a Nexus One gets (though obviously it has a few more pixels to push).
I pushed the changes to the sourceforge copy of the kernel (ltg is broken) to allow messing with the clock. The best I could get is using 0xa99 in /sys/module/clock_7x00/parameters/gpu which I think is 800MHz/4. (bits 3..6 are the divider-1).
Who knows how stable it will be at this speed.

Neat. It's fascinating that there are people still looking to improve our Vogues to their maximum potential when they are becoming seriously outdated...

looks like an update for rogue tools in needed

I searched and cant find where I would download this via SourceForge.

That's amazing. Overclocking the GPU makes me feel like it's a PC.

Nice work dzo!!
I'll implement this into Rogue Tools ASAP.

great i guess ill hang in for a rogue tools update...

Awesome! Any negative side effects?

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dzo said:
I pushed the changes to the sourceforge copy of the kernel (ltg is broken) to allow messing with the clock.
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I don't see the code anywhere, I think you forgot to commit it

gTan64 said:
I don't see the code anywhere, I think you forgot to commit it
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Following this thread from NOW. DZO, if you were in Spain, I would invite you to my restaurant for an exquisite dinner.

PeterDLai said:
Neat. It's fascinating that there are people still looking to improve our Vogues to their maximum potential when they are becoming seriously outdated...
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These devices aren't as outdated as some would think. Newer phones have slightly more ram, higher res screen, and that all important accelerometer. Being able to overclock our devices, takes away the CPU advantage these devices have.
The new iPhone 4 (that was announced yesterday) is amazing. It has a front camera that's for FaceTime Video Chat! OMG, my Kaiser clearly doesn't have that. Oh wait! I has a camera in the front of my phone and I can in fact use video chat. Yea, it doesn't work in Android but it does in WM, and it's not limited to Wifi connection only.
The more I look at newer phones, the more homogeneous they seem. The only reason to upgrade your phone is if it's free, or cause your phone broke.

Dukenukemx said:
These devices aren't as outdated as some would think. Newer phones have slightly more ram, higher res screen, and that all important accelerometer. Being able to overclock our devices, takes away the CPU advantage these devices have.
The new iPhone 4 (that was announced yesterday) is amazing. It has a front camera that's for FaceTime Video Chat! OMG, my Kaiser clearly doesn't have that. Oh wait! I has a camera in the front of my phone and I can in fact use video chat. Yea, it doesn't work in Android but it does in WM, and it's not limited to Wifi connection only.
The more I look at newer phones, the more homogeneous they seem. The only reason to upgrade your phone is if it's free, or cause your phone broke.
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Also us Verizon users who don't have data plans can have a smartphone in the Vogue, use Android, and not pay the outrageous 30 dollar data fee. That's a major point.

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Also us Verizon users who don't have data plans can have a smartphone in the Vogue, use Android, and not pay the outrageous 30 dollar data fee. That's a major point.
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+1 to that. that's the only reason I ever got the vogue. of course, now I have the data plan. and i'd never go back to a 'dumb' phone. but still.

nice article on iphone 4 vs android.
http://www.appolicious.com/tech/articles/2066-top-android-phones-shouldn-t-be-wary-of-new-iphone-4

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The more I look at newer phones, the more homogeneous they seem. The only reason to upgrade your phone is if it's free, or cause your phone broke.
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Idk, I upgraded to the Evo and am VERY happy with it.

mrono said:
Idk, I upgraded to the Evo and am VERY happy with it.
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A coworker in my office got the Evo. I played around with it, and it is a very nice phone. I actually just sold my Touch Pro 2 for a Vogue because I wanted something smaller, and most of all I wanted to step into Android without breaking the bank (still in contract )!
The Vogue is quite the device! Sure, it's not as fancy as many of today's phones, but it's small, light, and it seems to be infinitely hackable. I have a special place in my heart for it.

Dzo you never fail to amaze me. I still mess with my vogue running 2.1 a couple times a week. I mostly have it for my two sons who are 3 and 7. I disabled the ril and keep some games music and kids games on there for them since it doesn't have service. That damn thing lasted over 2 weeks in standby with out being on a charger. I wish my hero could do that. And 36fps in neocore. I could barely touch that with the hero over-clocked to 761mhz.
On a side note. Anyone ever try the wifi/sdcard thing? Or if it's even possible to piggyback a usb wifi stick on to this? This would greatly extend usability of this device for me at least since I use it as more of a pda.

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Dzo you never fail to amaze me. I still mess with my vogue running 2.1 a couple times a week. I mostly have it for my two sons who are 3 and 7. I disabled the ril and keep some games music and kids games on there for them since it doesn't have service. That damn thing lasted over 2 weeks in standby with out being on a charger. I wish my hero could do that. And 36fps in neocore. I could barely touch that with the hero over-clocked to 761mhz.
On a side note. Anyone ever try the wifi/sdcard thing? Or if it's even possible to piggyback a usb wifi stick on to this? This would greatly extend usability of this device for me at least since I use it as more of a pda.
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I doubt the wifi stick idea would work. From what I've read, the Vogue's hardware doesn't support USB Host. I've also read that the wifi sdcard thing also didn't work due to lack of driver support.
I think our only way of getting wifi on this thing is to just solder in our own wifi chip.

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I doubt the wifi stick idea would work. From what I've read, the Vogue's hardware doesn't support USB Host. I've also read that the wifi sdcard thing also didn't work due to lack of driver support.
I think our only way of getting wifi on this thing is to just solder in our own wifi chip.
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The hardware does support usb host and I have the documentation for it but somebody would have to write a driver.

I have a few questions.
#1 How's the battery life overclocking the GPU? Is it the same or worse?
#2 Can anyone get Kwaak3 running so we can get some benchmarks going? I can only get that working on Polys 2.1g, and that was months ago.

Nexus 7 I/O speed issue

http://androidandme.com/2013/06/opi...from-the-best-to-worst-tablet-ive-ever-owned/
After reading the article, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's experiencing this issue. I've noticed my Nexus 7 slows down and becomes less responsive during heavy writing task(downloading stuff at high speed, stuttering browser, etc).
Before anybody jumping in and saying they don't have the issue, the point is it does happen and it happens to other devices as well. Same issue can be said for Galaxy Nexus, Asus Transformer Infinite Transformer Prime. A good way to test this is to see how your tablet performs when you download something over 1MB/s or 2MB/s.
The reasons some people don't see this are:
1. It's hard to tell in short term. Usually the memory i/o speed degrading starts to show after 6 months to 1 year or longer depending on the quality of the flash memory they use.
2. Interfering factors. Many people think the lag is caused by ROM or kernel. It could be true in some cases.
3. Inconsistent quality control during manufacture. I'd assume that out of some bad batches, there will be also some good units. Also not every device use the exact same flash memory chips.
4. Personal usage difference. Flash memory's life span depends on the limited number of writing/reading. So the degrading rate also depends on each individual. Some people are heavy users who constantly perform copying/reading/removing actions on the device while some others may only use it for internet access which results in less taxing work.
Actually the i/o speed issue is one main reason I'm looking forward to next generation Nexus 7. Just hope ASUS can use better quality flash memory next time.
EDIT: more elaborate point.
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http://androidandme.com/2013/06/opi...from-the-best-to-worst-tablet-ive-ever-owned/
After reading the article, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's experiencing this issue. Before anybody jumping in and saying they don't have the issue, the point is it does happen. Same issue can be said for Galaxy Nexus and Asus Transformer Prime. Actually this is one main reason I'm looking forward to next generation Nexus 7. Just hope ASUS can use better quality flash memory next time.
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I don't know, if Asus doesn't get it right on 2 devices, all of which I have owned, I can't imagine that they will get it right on the next 2 devices. I was so tired of my laggy infinity that I just sold it on ebay. I was so tired of my laggy nexus 7 that I did a factory reset. But then again, these were essentially first generation products. Hopefully the second gen will be better (seems to contradict what I just said, haha.) I am probably going to wait for a little while before I get the next nexus, anyway. I have an expensive habit of getting the latest on launch, most of the time regretting my decisions.

I haven't seen any of the lag these sites and users complain about. Maybe its because I was more used to my Iconia A500 dragging its feet at the two year mark but I can't see how this is "laggy" or "unresponsive" at all. I think this is the result of seeing the device as "old" rather than "new" so you notice one thing and look for 100 others you never noticed. In the end though it could be worse. You could've paid a pretty penny for it to turn to crap All I can say is that I have not noticed these problems and that if they remain after a wipe and reversion to an older, version then they must have always been there.

Its flash storage over all devices. I've seen the same lag on my wifes ipad and iphone.

armada786 said:
I haven't seen any of the lag these sites and users complain about. Maybe its because I was more used to my Iconia A500 dragging its feet at the two year mark but I can't see how this is "laggy" or "unresponsive" at all. I think this is the result of seeing the device as "old" rather than "new" so you notice one thing and look for 100 others you never noticed. In the end though it could be worse. You could've paid a pretty penny for it to turn to crap All I can say is that I have not noticed these problems and that if they remain after a wipe and reversion to an older, version then they must have always been there.
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Well, the thing is the performance drop is very distinct and easy to see. When the device comes to a stall during some background writing/reading, then it's problem.
The reason some people don't see this is:
1. It's hard to tell in short term. Usually the memory i/o speed degrading starts to show after 6 months to 1 year or longer.
2. Interfering factors. Many people think the lag is caused by ROM or kernel. It could be true.
3. Inconsistent quality control. I'd assume that out of some bad batch, there will be also some good units. Also not every device use the exact same memory chips.
4. Personal usage difference. Flash memory's life span depends on the limited number of writing/reading. So the degrading rate also depends on each individual. Some people are heavy users who constantly perform copying/reading/removing actions on the device while some others may only use it for internet access which results in less taxing work.

hbkmog said:
http://androidandme.com/2013/06/opi...from-the-best-to-worst-tablet-ive-ever-owned/
After reading the article, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's experiencing this issue. I've noticed my Nexus 7 slows down and becomes less responsive during heavy writing task(downloading stuff at high speed, stuttering browser, etc).
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Every computer I have ever used - that's over a 30-year period - could have its' UI brought to it's knees with heavy I/O. It's not a surprise, really: mass storage is typically the slowest bandwidth device (ignoring things like uarts or keyboards) in the system.
The problem can be pushed into a corner - for instance using massively more RAM than is needed by the memory footprint of the kernel and apps, so that there is plenty of fast file cache available, but even in that case, a source of sustained high-speed I/O will eventually exhaust the write cache, and slow writes will start occurring and queuing up against all other I/O activity.
But that kind of thing doesn't happen in a $200 tablet. RAM ain't cheap, nor does it come for free in terms of power consumption (and thus battery size needed for a given "on battery" time).
On top of that, you have all the problems of write amplification that occurs with flash memory that performs block erasures and wear-leveling.
IMO, if you think this is something that only occurs on certain OS releases, or certain hardware, you are probably going to be disappointed with every device you ever buy. That will be the case until a non-volatile storage media exists with sustained read/write bandwidth that exceeds that of the system memory bus, and also is not affected by the number of independent transactions per GB of I/O.
BTW, the fact that someone on the internet complains about a problem with symptoms similar to those you experience does not imply that the same root cause is involved, nor does it say anything about the frequency of occurrence of those symptoms amongst the general population. I suppose that some small percentage of the world's population is tired all the time; but that doesn't mean they all have Lyme disease, nor that everybody has it.
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Gruber linked to it. Joy. Prepare for this article to be linked to by every iOS fanboy from now until the end of time.
My theory is that its mostly prevalent on the 8 GB models that were only sold for a short period of time, and thats why only a few people, mostly early adopters, have seen this.

I torrent ... "things" ... at over 1.5 MB/sec.
Don't see a dip in speed at all. Try changing your IO schedulers, people.

Mine gets slow when I have less than 3gb of storage open.. Above that, it is fast. It's not a permanent problem. Try freeing up space before damning the Nexus 7.
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Also as soon as some one points out an issue, people will come in and tell them they are wrong.
There's def an issue with the n7, sometimes is it is slow as molasses and other times butter smooth. Where as my n4 is always butter smooth

T-Keith said:
Mine gets slow when I have less than 3gb of storage open..
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ya think?!?!

BrianDigital said:
Also as soon as some one points out an issue, people will come in and tell them they are wrong.
There's def an issue with the n7, sometimes is it is slow as molasses and other times butter smooth. Where as my n4 is always butter smooth
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The N4 has twice as much RAM as the N7. See my comment about file write caching above. It is quite reasonable to expect the N4 to perform better under equivalent load as there will be substantially larger free memory for write caching (everything else being equal). Simply put the N7 will hit the I/O queue wait wall first.
A statement from one or two users that "my tablet doesn't do that, what are you talking about" is just as relevant information as one or two users claiming "my tablet is always slow".
Neither report is a denial of the experiences of others; but both taken together are a demonstration that the trouble described is not universally experienced.
And since neither set of onesie-twosie reports represent a statistically significant sample, neither of them are capable of saying anything meaningful about how widespread the problem is in the general user population.
cheers

bftb0 said:
The N4 has twice as much RAM as the N7. See my comment about file write caching above. It is quite reasonable to expect the N4 to perform better under equivalent load as there will be substantially larger free memory for write caching (everything else being equal). Simply put the N7 will hit the I/O queue wait wall first.
A statement from one or two users that "my tablet doesn't do that, what are you talking about" is just as relevant information as one or two users claiming "my tablet is always slow".
Neither report is a denial of the experiences of others; but both taken together are a demonstration that the trouble described is not universally experienced.
And since neither set of onesie-twosie reports represent a statistically significant sample, neither of them are capable of saying anything meaningful about how widespread the problem is in the general user population.
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I'd also be surprised if most Nexus 4s have had the same amount of wear on them as the Nexus 7s. Just saying.
Your I/O scheduler definitely helps, but unfortunately software fixes can only play catch-up for so long. It's one of the things I really do dislike about flash memory-- yes, I know that spinning disk media also has wear, but I've had some drives running for...practically forever, really. I just don't feel comfortable knowing that SSDs and flash will eventually cop out because of how they're designed (but a lot of that, I'll plainly admit is a psychological thing and has little to do with the tech's actual reliability).

bftb0 said:
The N4 has twice as much RAM as the N7. See my comment about file write caching above. It is quite reasonable to expect the N4 to perform better under equivalent load as there will be substantially larger free memory for write caching (everything else being equal). Simply put the N7 will hit the I/O queue wait wall first.
A statement from one or two users that "my tablet doesn't do that, what are you talking about" is just as relevant information as one or two users claiming "my tablet is always slow".
Neither report is a denial of the experiences of others; but both taken together are a demonstration that the trouble described is not universally experienced.
And since neither set of onesie-twosie reports represent a statistically significant sample, neither of them are capable of saying anything meaningful about how widespread the problem is in the general user population.
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Your right when I wake my n7 from sleep with no apps updating or anything running, and it moves at a ants pace. I am wrong its me I guess...right. Every user should have to unlock root and flash a kernel to change how it runs.
I read the comment you made before, its the same copy pasta stuff from when the nexus 7 didn't have issues having the storage full, back early on. This what makes xda so great, people have a issue and someone chimes in tells them they are wrong, or ten posts of "420 root it, and flash mer devs kernel"
But your right my tablet should mostly be lagging because running the launcher and maybe an app slows everything down because its designed to run an app and that's it.
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EDIT: bftb0 summed up what I wanted to say far better

BrianDigital said:
Your right when I wake my n7 from sleep with no apps updating or anything running, and it moves at a ants pace. I am wrong its me I guess...right. Every user should have to unlock root and flash a kernel to change how it runs.
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Nobody has denied anybody's experience. If you say that stuff happens, I believe you.
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I read the comment you made before, its the same copy pasta stuff from when the nexus 7 didn't have issues having the storage full, back early on. This what makes xda so great, people have a issue and someone chimes in tells them they are wrong, or ten posts of "420 root it, and flash mer devs kernel"
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off topic = irrelevant. But nice segue.
BrianDigital said:
But your right my tablet should mostly be lagging because running the launcher and maybe an app slows everything down because its designed to run an app and that's it.
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If that happens on a stock device with no apps that's been rebooted within the past few days, and there are no other pathologies involved (e.g. nearly-full or corrupted file systems), then *probably* there is a hardware problem involved.
Look, I get it. Plenty of folks just want to use their device, not worry about details, and have it work as if it were mint. And they want it to behave that way even after customization (adding random apps). But practical experience with a wide variety of computing devices reveals that performance problems always hinge on details - sometimes incredibly tiny and obscure details. Those "details" can be any number of things - "soft" (correctable) hardware defects, bugs in the OS software, user software that is installed, all sorts of stuff. And even for technically sophisticated users isolating the root cause can be difficult. Until some detective work has occurred, there is no justification to place the blame on any specific component.
BTW, I know how frustrating it can be. My old Android phone (rooted, OC'ed & CM 7 ROM) currently can not be operated with both the messaging app and launcher app locked in memory (It only has 190 MB of RAM!). So I get to choose between losing text messages or waiting 15 seconds !!! for the launcher app to repaint the first home screen after leaving a resource-hungry foreground app such as Maps or the Browser. If I try and set up the Android LMK to do aggressive memory reclaim, the device will occasionally enter a "thrash of death" where the LMK is killing off threads as fast as they are generated - and the whole device will go frozen for minutes at a time. So, yeah, I get the frustration.
That of course is indeed "my fault". I could go back to a factory stock ROM (Eclair w/ HTC Sense - ugh). But I don't want to. I want certain features, and I want certain apps, too. You might claim that's not comparable to a user having a stock ROM device with a whole bunch of market apps installed; but until those apps can be cleared of suspicion, blame cannot conclusively be laid anywhere.
It is what it is. Computers that do not exhibit load dependent performance problems do not exist. That doesn't make things anybody's "fault" - but it is highly unlikely that Google (or Apple, whomever) is going to send someone over to your house to figure out what goes on with your tablet.
So, moaning about a problem on the internet might make someone feel better for a few minutes, but at the end of those few minutes, the problem(s) will still be there.
And BTW I completely get it that if I were to be having a performance issue on my tablet, and I wanted to clear my 72 market apps from suspicion, it would take me as many as log2(72) ~= 7 binary bisection trials (remove half of apps each trial) to finger a suspect or clear them all from suspicion). Pain in the rear to be sure; but it wouldn't be any less work on a different device - Apple, Asus, HTC, Moto, Samsung, whatever. And if it were an intermittent problem? It might take a huge effort to isolate the cause. Way longer amounts of time than simply ignoring a second or two of hesitation in the UI.
But the OP created this thread in the General section, not the Help / Q & A section; was he even interested in getting help?
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I too feel this way since 4.2 update. I'm stock unrooted with 7gb free of storage.
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Try rooting your device, install lagfix.
From the comments in the article linked by Op, should help.
I did not try myself since I'm not having these issues.
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Phenryth said:
Try rooting your device, install lagfix.
From the comments in the article linked by Op, should help.
I did not try myself since I'm not having these issues.
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Werd. Lagfix made my 7 feel like new again. I scheduled it to run once a week and haven't had any problems since then.

Phenryth said:
Try rooting your device, install lagfix.
From the comments in the article linked by Op, should help.
I did not try myself since I'm not having these issues.
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Lagfix does fasttrim command but many kernals nowadays do that already so the effect could be placebo unless you are on the kernel that doesn't fasttrim well.
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HTC ONE - Lag/Stutter fix?

Hi,
I've had some really bad experience with the HTC One and Android overall in the last few years.
Starting with the Samsung Galaxy S, then going through the HTC One X, Samsung Galaxy S3, and now HTC One, I've got one thing that really annoys me. The stutter/lag in every single third party apps. I tried doing many things, like enabling 'force gpu rendering', and changing roms, but I could never get rid of that 'lag'. Many people don't see it as a problem, but it is really annoying for me as an iPhone user, where my 4S is extremely fluid and stutter free compared to the One. Now, some people have told me that going from an iPhone to Android will mean that things like this will be apparent for me instantly, and they will annoy me. But I can't believe that this is the case with all Android phones, I mean after all they all cost just as much as iPhone does, so they should work just as well?
I really like android as an operating system, iOS is too closed. So I'd rather not go back to the iPhone for that, but the lag and bad animations bother me so much that I am actually considering returning the One.
So my question is - is there anything I can do to get rid of the stutter/lag ?

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Hi,
I've had some really bad experience with the HTC One and Android overall in the last few years.
Starting with the Samsung Galaxy S, then going through the HTC One X, Samsung Galaxy S3, and now HTC One, I've got one thing that really annoys me. The stutter/lag in every single third party apps. I tried doing many things, like enabling 'force gpu rendering', and changing roms, but I could never get rid of that 'lag'. Many people don't see it as a problem, but it is really annoying for me as an iPhone user, where my 4S is extremely fluid and stutter free compared to the One. Now, some people have told me that going from an iPhone to Android will mean that things like this will be apparent for me instantly, and they will annoy me. But I can't believe that this is the case with all Android phones, I mean after all they all cost just as much as iPhone does, so they should work just as well?
I really like android as an operating system, iOS is too closed. So I'd rather not go back to the iPhone for that, but the lag and bad animations bother me so much that I am actually considering returning the One.
So my question is - is there anything I can do to get rid of the stutter/lag ?
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Yes Android Does have bug and lag but its getting a lot better compare to 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 4.0 4.1 4.2 each update has improved whole OS bit better, but still needs more time to mature but same time İOS or Windows Phone is very limited so i assume more thing to do means more codes and more codes mean more fault. İ have HTC One and İphone 5 but HTC One feels faster than İphone 5 in my eyes but another fact is Android needs more power so maybe next chipsets like S800 or Tegra 4 may make transaction more smoother. Android is not best idea on budget smartphone cos as i said needs more power.
There are a lot of rumours that Android Key Lime Pime will be more smoother and less power hungry need to wait and see but enjoy whole experience of android its free and open its getting better every day
sorry for bad spell etc

As a past user of an iPhone 4s and current user of a HTC one, lag is way more prevalent in the 4s.Examples 1.Open the app store. 2. Switch between apps a couple times. 3. Swipe to the search screen. The one never lags for me. Ever. I'm a pretty intensive user with lots of apps running at once. Not to mention the speed at which the one works compared to the iPhone. It still has awesome animations but does them faster. Seriously you must have some rogue app going crazy in the background or something.
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I have the same feeling.
I've owned over 10 android devices and an iPhone 4 and 5, and when I'm on an iPhone I hate that I'm not able to do anything... and while when I'm on an Android phone I LOATHE the constant stutter/lag/inconcistancy.
You can't have your cake and eat it too... I guess.
EDIT: To answer your quesion: no, you can't.
EDIT2: just thought of WebOS, smooth, whith it's modding repositories *starts wheeping*

chris_abr said:
Now, some people have told me that going from an iPhone to Android will mean that things like this will be apparent for me instantly, and they will annoy me. But I can't believe that this is the case with all Android phones, I mean after all they all cost just as much as iPhone does, so they should work just as well?
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You need to give some examples of apps, situations which lag or stutter for me Android is pretty fluid (with the exeption of chrome)

godutch said:
You need to give some examples of apps, situations which lag or stutter for me Android is pretty fluid (with the exeption of chrome)
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hold an iPhone and an android phone side by side, the difference will be noticeble to everyone.

I think the OP is referring to apps that haven't yet been optimized for the 1920x1080 screen of the One and the S4. Animations such as those in Words with Friends look jerky in comparison with the iOS counterpart. It may be something you'll need to learn to live with. With Android phones of all different sizes out there, you're never going to get 100% app compatibility.

jodeltje said:
hold an iPhone and an android phone side by side, the difference will be noticeble to everyone.
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Like I said I can' t see any stutter or lag, not in the default apps or sense at least

Well that is what my iFriends say - it stutters!!!!1 How can you not see that???? And yes, sometimes I do see it, and it is annoying.
Some of us are more sensitive, some don't even notice. Most of the time I think it is because of loading content while scrolling. If you open a web page, or any internet dependent app, it will pull new content when you scroll to the end, an then inevitably some time is spent on arranging layout, loading jpegs and so on. iOS does it in advance, and is even making some kind of thumbnails all over system to smooth that out.
Could be wrong, but that is my conclusion so far.

Dac0908 said:
Well that is what my iFriends say - it stutters!!!!1 How can you not see that???? And yes, sometimes I do see it, and it is annoying.
Some of us are more sensitive, some don't even notice. Most of the time I think it is because of loading content while scrolling. If you open a web page, or any internet dependent app, it will pull new content when you scroll to the end, an then inevitably some time is spent on arranging layout, loading jpegs and so on. iOS does it in advance, and is even making some kind of thumbnails all over system to smooth that out.
Could be wrong, but that is my conclusion so far.
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like I said you need to give some specific examples of lag or stutter because I can't see it, not in sense nor in the stock apps. I can see lag and stutter for example in chrome (and new opera) but stock (and opera classic) are smooth, app drawer buttery smooth, settings buttery smooth, whatsapp smooth, blinkfeed smooth

Well I don't know now, really. Trying to forget about it, but name of this thread reminded me again
As I said - internet apps, not in system. Facebook, Engadget, Instagram, Cracked app... almost all third party web apps, not really important ones. It is app design flaw of some kind, you cant see that in system or system apps which are better made. On the bright side, this effect was horrible on LG O2x, which could just confirm my theory - One can load and arrange on-the-fly required data quicker.
It's not hard to understand that this effect is really not what anyone who bought the best Android device at the moment wants to see, no matter who's fault it is. Maybe that is the price we pay for system openness, and if that is the case - not a problem at all.

Dac0908 said:
Well I don't know now, really. Trying to forget about it, but name of this thread reminded me again
As I said - internet apps, not in system. Facebook, Engadget, Instagram, Cracked app... almost all third party web apps, not really important ones. It is app design flaw of some kind, you cant see that in system or system apps which are better made. On the bright side, this effect was horrible on LG O2x, which could just confirm my theory - One can load and arrange on-the-fly required data quicker.
It's not hard to understand that this effect is really not what anyone who bought the best Android device at the moment wants to see, no matter who's fault it is. Maybe that is the price we pay for system openness, and if that is the case - not a problem at all.
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oh I don' t use any of those apps, mostly the stock ones and google apps and these are all buttery smooth (with the exception of chrome and sometime the play store).
I think these laggy apps all use webkit to draw their UI, webkit will lag the UI when loading, even on a powerful desktop. One of the chrome devs congrateluted opera, when the switched to webkit how fluid they had made opera when presto was still loading, something which they hadn't figured out to do yet

what version of android do you have? i noticed stuttering in third party apps on 4.1.2, but was fixed in 4.2.2
i use tubemate, and it was unusable on 4.1.2, now it works perfectly

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what version of android do you have? i noticed stuttering in third party apps on 4.1.2, but was fixed in 4.2.2
i use tubemate, and it was unusable on 4.1.2, now it works perfectly
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I'm currently on stock 4.1.2 from HTC, the European version for the HTC_001. I've also tried the Android Revolution HD 4.2.2, but the problem still persisted. It was better, but still not 'buttery smooth'.
As to when it happens - Sense is largely ok, when swiping through the screens you can't really see any lag. Unless going between the app launcher and the blinkfeed.
But it's mostly other apps, such as even the stock web browser, thet just stutter and lag when on some simple webpages, such as google, full amazon website, my banks, lloyds tsb, and pretty much every single web page is just slow and stutters when scrolling. Not to mention XDA-Developers, because this website is just on another level of stutter. lol
I've tried firefox, chrome, stock browser, and all of them have the same problem.
There are also apps, facebook, even the keyboard lags!
Now, I don't know about you, but I think it's the resolution that causes the problem. I'd rather have lower resolution with say, 300 ppi, which is not really noticeably worse than that of the One, and at the same time have an OS that does not suffer from these problems.
Because in all honesty, the ONE is actually more stuttery than SGS 1 was.. Now, that just can't be right!
I'm still hoping that somebody will come up with something that can fix it.
Because I'm really sensitive about this stuff myself, and love the idea of android at the same time. Not to mention the hardware of ONE.
But when using the phone, it immediately feels cheap and badly made when simple things like that occur on a phone costing as much as a 15 year old car!
So I think it'll be back to the iPhone for now. My contract on it ends in a year, so let's hope Google does some magic with Android, and maybe forces manufacturers to release properly optimized software. But I fear that's just wishful thinking.

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...the ONE is actually more stuttery than SGS 1 was.. Now, that just can't be right!
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You said it yourself, that can't be right.
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...But when using the phone, it immediately feels cheap and badly made when simple things like that occur on a phone costing as much as a 15 year old car!
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You have an interesting way of exaggerating prices. I bought mine from Hong Kong, so maybe mine cost as much as a 14 year old car. Or perhaps a 15 year old car in good condition? Or maybe just within the range of usual Flagship phone prices?
If you're getting stuttering with certain apps, don't use them. Poorly made apps usually have alternatives.
So far, the only big app I'm getting stuttering with is the Chrome/Chrome Beta app. It would be nice if it wasn't there but, thanks to features like data compression saving me roughly 50% on data use, I can look past it. I also get it with the facebook app, but that is such a **** app.
There are probably some other apps I get it with but, to be completely honest, lag and stuttering hasn't been noticeable in my daily use. This phone is fast as hell... Faster even than a 15 year old car. What a deal!
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You have an interesting way of exaggerating prices. I bought mine from Hong Kong, so maybe mine cost as much as a 14 year old car. Or perhaps a 15 year old car in good condition? Or maybe just within the range of usual Flagship phone prices?
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haha!
What I was trying to say, that these phones cost extremely high amounts of money, and yet don't work properly.
I mean, having used Lumia 520 a few weeks ago for a few days, I can safely say that I would recommend that over the One, simply on the 'niceness of use'. And that phone costs £100 in the UK.. One costs over £450 at the cheapest.
As to the apps - I get that, but if you read my post, you'd know that I mentioned all of the popular apps, I try to stay away from the lesser known developers, as they tend not to do so much testing on their apps, and thus providing a terrible experience most of the time (not so much on iOS, as Apple does a lot of testing before they put the app up on the market, something that would be nice to have on android too).

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But it's mostly other apps, such as even the stock web bowser, thet just stutter and lag when on some simple webpages, such as google, full amazon website, my banks, lloyds tsb, and pretty much every single web page is just slow and stutters when scrolling. Not to mention XDA-Developers, because this website is just on another level of stutter. lol
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some sites lag in some browsers some sites in all, some sites even lag on my powerful core i5 laptop running windows 8, sometimes it' s bug in the browser, sometimes a bug in the website. I'll bet you you will come across laggy sites on the iphone too. XDA is buttery smooth for me though (at least the forum, which I always watch in compact view and I hated the contextual search so I disabled that in forum preferences)

Honestly I've used android from the start back when the g1 was released. Going from that to the g2 now the HTC one. Even on my g2 on some Roms I barley had lag issues now on the one I don't see any stutter or lag or slow downs.. But I guess that's just me.
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I guess we can both be happy that are devices aren't as bad as the OP
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I don't think it's a problem with my particular device though.
I've watched many reviews online, and the very same things that happened on my device were happening on those being reviewed.
Things like:
When browsing google images, you open one image and then swipe to look at the next one, htc one starts to render an animation and then 1/4th of the way just stutters to the picture. On the iPhone it's just a nice, fluid animation.
Another, the original keyboard is rather bad, you press a key, and the pop up with letter comes on, you depress the key and the preview is still there for at least half a second.
Also, a more general one - when you install something from the play store and try to browse for another app on it at the same time - it stutters beyond belief.
And sense one - where are the animations when closing an app/window? I feel like using windows Vista on a 2005 pc with 1gb ram..
It's very small things, but they do not happen on the iPhone, and I just feel like the experience is more pleasurable and consistent on iOS. Not to mention WP, which is even faster than iOS in my opinion.
The iPhone and WP may not be faster hardware wise, or performance wise even, but the animation, and transitions between doing things are just incredibly badly implemented on Android.
I'd rather see it being done like on the iPhone - when the phone is installing or doing something in the background, that action stops when you try and use the phone. That way, it may perform worse, and install the app slower, but the experience is really good, and no stutter occurs. Whereas android sort of tries to do everything at the same time.
But again, that may be just me being very bothered about things like this, most people don't see it as a problem, but it annoys the hell out of me, hence this thread. I was hoping that there is some tweak for the One that makes the experience more pleasurable whilst maybe decreasing the performance a little.

Just picked up a Moto-x Previous iphone 5 user

This is my second "Try" at the android world. I tried out that HTC one X+ last year and had nothing but problems and switched to an Iphone 5.
I am having an issue receiving texts from iphone users (working on that now). Other than that i'm pretty happy with the phone. Speaker quality is a little worse however I expected that. Audio quality while playing through play music was better than iphone IMO (big suprise there).
The otterbox seems well built, however the one for the Iphone 5 is a nicer product, any recommendations for a similar case? I'm a big fisherman and clumsy guy so who knows what will happen.
I still have the crappy camera update (ATT) so I will post some side by side pics there. Any tips on apps other than the normal fb/reddit?
Thanks!

Muffinman51432 said:
This is my second "Try" at the android world. I tried out that HTC one X+ last year and had nothing but problems and switched to an Iphone 5.
I am having an issue receiving texts from iphone users (working on that now). Other than that i'm pretty happy with the phone. Speaker quality is a little worse however I expected that. Audio quality while playing through play music was better than iphone IMO (big suprise there).
The otterbox seems well built, however the one for the Iphone 5 is a nicer product, any recommendations for a similar case? I'm a big fisherman and clumsy guy so who knows what will happen.
I still have the crappy camera update (ATT) so I will post some side by side pics there. Any tips on apps other than the normal fb/reddit?
Thanks!
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Your receiving texts from iPhone users is probably them being sent to your iMessage account by default... but seems like you might already be aware of this.

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Your receiving texts from iPhone users is probably them being sent to your iMessage account by default... but seems like you might already be aware of this.
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Yeah I should be good now!!
Holy crap swype rocks
A friend of mine cannot text me from his Iphone, however another friend can. It may be going through my e-mail still. Any tips?

Give it time for the cases to come out. Welcome to android. I'm using qmadix case which is a pretty good build but it doesn't have the rugged otter box protection. Also, if you take the time to learn about everything your new phone can do over the iphone you don't ever switch back. Not that iphones aren't amazing because their product is great but if you like making your phone the way you like it, android is the way to go. Most of the apps are pretty similar unless you root your phone and start tweaking it. Maybe someone else knows more android only type apps.
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jayboyyyy said:
Give it time for the cases to come out. Welcome to android. I'm using qmadix case which is a pretty good build but it doesn't have the rugged otter box protection. Also, if you take the time to learn about everything your new phone can do over the iphone you don't ever switch back. Not that iphones aren't amazing because their product is great but if you like making your phone the way you like it, android is the way to go. Most of the apps are pretty similar unless you root your phone and start tweaking it. Maybe someone else knows more android only type apps.
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Familiar with root and such with my n7 which really turned me onto the android world. The screen is a little bigger than the iphone, however the nexus 5 may be worth the wait.

Muffinman51432 said:
Yeah I should be good now!!
Holy crap swype rocks
A friend of mine cannot text me from his Iphone, however another friend can. It may be going through my e-mail still. Any tips?
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I just read an article about this but I can't remember where. Was an apple issue with phone numbers still being associated with imessage
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Turn on Imessge
Edit; sorry pressed enter too fast on the app
Get an iPhone. Turn on imessage. Make sure you give it enough time to fully activate. Send an imessage to said friend
Turn off imessage send text message from iPhone to said friend
Works ?
Go back to moto x. Should be good
Had the same issue with the same phones.
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1eli said:
Turn on Imessge
Edit; sorry pressed enter too fast on the app
Get an iPhone. Turn on imessage. Make sure you give it enough time to fully activate. Send an imessage to said friend
Turn off imessage send text message from iPhone to said friend
Works ?
Go back to moto x. Should be good
Had the same issue with the same phones.
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came here to say this. When my gf's mom switched she had the same issues and Apple didn't even want to help her. She kept telling them her msgs won't come through because they are going to imsg and now she has a galaxy. Apple basically told her it's an android phone and blew her off.
When my gf updated I turned imsg off before had and she hasn't had a single issue. May be a PITA but either get apple customer service to turn that feature off in your acct or get an iOS device on wifi and enable/disable it.

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Swype is the main reason I switched from an iphone 5 back to android lol. That, and Moto X is a beautiful piece of hardware.
I type like a handicap without swype. It's the original way I learned how to type on a smartphone lol. I can also swype a lot faster with one hand then most people type with two.
I don't like Android at all, but being able to type fast is more important to me for the time being.
Android itself is a flawed OS. If it wasn't for XDA I would have never owned an Android device. A lot of the developers on here create tweaks, ROM's, hacks that enhance the device in simple intuitive ways, so much that it puts Google to shame (yea I said it). I mean how in the bloody hell has volume button longpress to change track NOT been implemented in all official ROM's yet? It's so intuitive, easy to implement, test and apply. They built a trillion dollar empire selling the only mobile operating system that still lags in 2013 on EPIC hardware - mind you. I'm sure 99% of people on XDA will disagree with me because MOST people don't notice these things. But for me it drives me absolutely bananas when any 6-$700 Android device in 2013 has less GUI fluidity (in both OS and third party apps) then my first generation dual core Athlon64 PC with 1GB single channel ddr1 memory. I built that system in 2005. Comparing any Android device to any WP7.5, WP8 or ios4+ device in terms of transition animation fluidity and vertical scrolling fluidity is downright embarrassing.
I suppose that's what happens when you build an empire on top of a a landfill :laugh:
Given, the Moto X is definitely the best Android device released to date IMHO.

scorpion667 said:
Swype is the main reason I switched from an iphone 5 back to android lol. That, and Moto X is a beautiful piece of hardware.
I type like a handicap without swype. It's the original way I learned how to type on a smartphone lol. I can also swype a lot faster with one hand then most people type with two.
I don't like Android at all, but being able to type fast is more important to me for the time being.
Android itself is a flawed OS. If it wasn't for XDA I would have never owned an Android device. A lot of the developers on here create tweaks, ROM's, hacks that enhance the device in simple intuitive ways, so much that it puts Google to shame (yea I said it). I mean how in the bloody hell has volume button longpress to change track NOT been implemented in all official ROM's yet? It's so intuitive, easy to implement, test and apply. They built a trillion dollar empire selling the only mobile operating system that still lags in 2013 on EPIC hardware - mind you. I'm sure 99% of people on XDA will disagree with me because MOST people don't notice these things. But for me it drives me absolutely bananas when any 6-$700 Android device in 2013 has less GUI fluidity (in both OS and third party apps) then my first generation dual core Athlon64 PC with 1GB single channel ddr1 memory. I build that system in 2005. Comparing any WP7.5, WP8 or ios device to android in terms of transition animation fluidity and vertical scrolling fluidity is downright embarrassing.
I suppose that's what happens when you build an empire on top of a a landfill :laugh:
Given, the Moto X is definitely the best Android device released to date IMHO.
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apple builds one os for one phone with one set of hardware for a pretty similar customer base generally. google builds one OS to send to 100s of phone companies for thousands of phones with millions of different piece of hardware. Those phone companies then implement their own layers of software over it. The way the process is just makes it more difficult. While I agree on some points with you, I think they do a pretty good job considering what they are up against. If google makes an os with all of the tweaks gismos and gadgets then trys to send it to the phone companeis and deal with making what they want to do work with what google's OS does, there would probably be way more issues than we currently have.
edit: I made many generalizations so feel free not to pick and choose little tid bits of info to say how I'm wrong because it was more of just a general synopsis as opposed to an exact layout of how things are.

jayboyyyy said:
apple builds one os for one phone with one set of hardware for a pretty similar customer base generally. google builds one OS to send to 100s of phone companies for thousands of phones with millions of different piece of hardware. Those phone companies then implement their own layers of software over it. The way the process is just makes it more difficult. While I agree on some points with you, I think they do a pretty good job considering what they are up against. If google makes an os with all of the tweaks gismos and gadgets then trys to send it to the phone companeis and deal with making what they want to do work with what google's OS does, there would probably be way more issues than we currently have.
edit: I made many generalizations so feel free not to pick and choose little tid bits of info to say how I'm wrong because it was more of just a general synopsis as opposed to an exact layout of how things are.
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I agree.
I'm not trying to be a **** but like... that explanation, that issue, that situation won't make my phone any faster. I understand there are reasons for this problem. But the problem is not fixed.
Come to think of it look at Windows Phones man. WP7.5 and 8 are pretty much the most fluid operating systems I've ever tried, regardless of device. You can find low, mid and high end WP devices. And they are all fluid, responsive and don't drop frames or stutter when scrolling vertically. Not always for the super low end models but you get my point. And I've tried the low end ones in the store as well. If there's one thing MS got right in the smartphone world, it's definitely the fluidity. I'm sorry but if MS can do it, Google could do it as well. But let's face it, you know as well as I do that companies won't change unless people stop buying. And most people don't seem to mind the lack of fluidity and if they do they are using iphones.
And another issue is the lack of...quality play store apps - even the popular ones with 10m+ downloads. Because that dev environment is not as restricted as ios, you see a lot of popular apps like the NOTORIOUS Facebook that takes us back to our windows 95 days where smooth scrolling was a rare phenomenon. In fact I can most likely count on one hand, the amount of times in a day that I have scrolled vertically in FB app without any lag/frame drop/stuttering. People want to say that this is not Google's fault. How is it not their fault if they ALLOWED these poorly done ios ports to make it on the Google Play Store by not posing that many restrictions.

You're absolutely right about the apps. Is really bad. There are some gorgeous android apps that conform to android design guidelines, but most of the main, most popular apps are nothing but iOS ports and look and run like sh*t on android.
As far as fluidity goes, I'm just not seeing it. I have zero lag on the moto x. I didn't have any lag on my nexus 4 either. If you're talking about scrolling in the browser, try dolphin or some other browser.
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You're absolutely right about the apps. Is really bad. There are some gorgeous android apps that conform to android design guidelines, but most of the main, most popular apps are nothing but iOS ports and look and run like sh*t on android.
As far as fluidity goes, I'm just not seeing it. I have zero lag on the moto x. I didn't have any lag on my nexus 4 either. If you're talking about scrolling in the browser, try dolphin or some other browser.
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Yes the over all UI is fast. Google did a really good job in that but my concern is about the apps that i use on day to day basis like facebook and twitter. May be coming from an iphone 5 caused this issue as everything on it was buttery smooth not the same in the case of android. There is a third party app for twitter like echofon which is super smooth as in ios but official apps still suck. I hope this would change in coming days. Facebook in browser is smooth and app sucks with dropped framerate and lag.

I have some specific examples:
open dialer, stutters once halfway through the transition animation, regardless if it was running in the background or not
open email, stutters once near the end of the transition animation. opened email again, got a graphical glitch where it bypassed the transition animation completely
scrolling in gmail stutters sometime depending on scroll speed. mid to high speed scrolling stutters. only drops one frame it seems but I can notice it
the first time you start Settings, it skips a frame in the transition animation, after that it's smooth
in google drive if you click on an item and click back, it bypasses all transition and loading animation and roughly reverts to the previous screen
scrolling in sms app drops frames at certain points in scrolling. not as much as other apps, but it definitely does it
scrolling through my alarms slow to mid speed results in back to back stutters until the scrolling stops.
maps stutters when you press locate button while it speeds to your current location. also stutters during transition animation on first open. The ios app google maps is FLUID and butter smooth
gmail widget froze for 1 second while scrolling
Play store stutters consistently while scrolling.
The number of apps that stutter/lag on my iphone 5 (100+ apps) = 0 (zero)
I can't be the only one that notices these things.

sravanz said:
Yes the over all UI is fast. Google did a really good job in that but my concern is about the apps that i use on day to day basis like facebook and twitter. May be coming from an iphone 5 caused this issue as everything on it was buttery smooth not the same in the case of android. There is a third party app for twitter like echofon which is super smooth as in ios but official apps still suck. I hope this would change in coming days. Facebook in browser is smooth and app sucks with dropped framerate and lag.
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I don't do Facebook anymore, but when I did, I used friendcaster... It was very very smooth and had more features.
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scorpion667 said:
I have some specific examples:
open dialer, stutters once halfway through the transition animation, regardless if it was running in the background or not
open email, stutters once near the end of the transition animation. opened email again, got a graphical glitch where it bypassed the transition animation completely
scrolling in gmail stutters sometime depending on scroll speed. mid to high speed scrolling stutters. only drops one frame it seems but I can notice it
the first time you start Settings, it skips a frame in the transition animation, after that it's smooth
in google drive if you click on an item and click back, it bypasses all transition and loading animation and roughly reverts to the previous screen
scrolling in sms app drops frames at certain points in scrolling. not as much as other apps, but it definitely does it
scrolling through my alarms slow to mid speed results in back to back stutters until the scrolling stops.
maps stutters when you press locate button while it speeds to your current location. also stutters during transition animation on first open. The ios app google maps is FLUID and butter smooth
gmail widget froze for 1 second while scrolling
Play store stutters consistently while scrolling.
The number of apps that stutter/lag on my iphone 5 (100+ apps) = 0 (zero)
I can't be the only one that notices these things.
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I'm not kidding when I say I really don't notice but that is probably just because I don't care that much. Scrolling animation I do care about, but I just don't really notice that bad of scrolling animation for much. I mean I hate facebook but I don't use that. And chrome just launched recently so I'm actually pretty impressed with its fluidity at this stage in the development.
But for all that stuff I still think it goes back to my original post. I really don't know how many phones are running windows operating system but I don't feel like it is a lot. They also don't get android apps do they? aren't they getting windows base apps so they don't have to deal with all the issues that come with letting people create apps.
To the issue of google not moderating their app's in google play the way apple does. Apple has one or 5 phones with standard hardware. You will see apps that run perfectly on one android phone but not another. I don't believe google would be able to set criteria that would make all android apps work perfectly on all thousand of devices with thousands of different softwares on them. I'm not saying android are better, as much as I'm saying apple has it so easy. Google can't even control all the software phone companies overlay on their android OS or what hardware they use.
Finally, Ill take the bad with good. I prefer an open app market where someone can create something like better battery stats just because they felt like it and not have to jump through a million hoops. Turns out i has become extremely useful. And if the app sucks let it die. Don't use it. Capitalism lol.
But clearly no one can argue that apple products are not smoother and won't always be smoother than android products. Arguments can be made for nexus and other phones that are built purely for the android OS, but the apps being developed are being developed to work on all android products not just stock android Nexus's so they still will get lag from certain things.

Windows phone is different, closer to iOS. Remember Microsoft forces any manufacturer who makes a wp device to use a specific CPU, specific ram, etc. The OS is written for one device configuration, and just the screen tech can change. Same as Apple basically. I remember when all windows phones were forced to use the Qualcomm 1ghz snapdragon which let's the OS be perfectly optimized to the hardware.

scorpion667 said:
I have some specific examples:
open dialer, stutters once halfway through the transition animation, regardless if it was running in the background or not
open email, stutters once near the end of the transition animation. opened email again, got a graphical glitch where it bypassed the transition animation completely
scrolling in gmail stutters sometime depending on scroll speed. mid to high speed scrolling stutters. only drops one frame it seems but I can notice it
the first time you start Settings, it skips a frame in the transition animation, after that it's smooth
in google drive if you click on an item and click back, it bypasses all transition and loading animation and roughly reverts to the previous screen
scrolling in sms app drops frames at certain points in scrolling. not as much as other apps, but it definitely does it
scrolling through my alarms slow to mid speed results in back to back stutters until the scrolling stops.
maps stutters when you press locate button while it speeds to your current location. also stutters during transition animation on first open. The ios app google maps is FLUID and butter smooth
gmail widget froze for 1 second while scrolling
Play store stutters consistently while scrolling.
The number of apps that stutter/lag on my iphone 5 (100+ apps) = 0 (zero)
I can't be the only one that notices these things.
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You're not the only one, most Android users are in denial or have never given the iPhone a chance, I was one of those Android users until I picked up an iPhone 4 a few years ago to resell and decided to give it a try before getting rid of it. I have since had the 4S and the 5. All throughout, I tried going back to android with the GS2, GS3, GS4, Nexus 4, HTC One X, HTC One and now the Moto X. The full Samsung lineup was just terrible and laggy, couldn't stand using either of them for over a week, the HTC one was pretty smooth and the UI was bearable but the phone was physically awkward, the Nexus 4 lasted a day but only because it didn't have LTE, the Moto X is the best Android experience I have had all around, only complaints are attention to detail from Motorola like the wifi icon gap and the terrible AT&T logo (all can be fixed on a rooted device). I see myself hanging on to this phone for a while (I hope). Might just get a 5S for a second device though.

ruskiyab said:
You're not the only one, most Android users are in denial or have never given the iPhone a chance, I was one of those Android users until I picked up an iPhone 4 a few years ago to resell and decided to give it a try before getting rid of it. I have since had the 4S and the 5. All throughout, I tried going back to android with the GS2, GS3, GS4, Nexus 4, HTC One X, HTC One and now the Moto X. The full Samsung lineup was just terrible and laggy, couldn't stand using either of them for over a week, the HTC one was pretty smooth and the UI was bearable but the phone was physically awkward, the Nexus 4 lasted a day but only because it didn't have LTE, the Moto X is the best Android experience I have had all around, only complaints are attention to detail from Motorola like the wifi icon gap and the terrible AT&T logo (all can be fixed on a rooted device). I see myself hanging on to this phone for a while (I hope). Might just get a 5S for a second device though.
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I actually find the inverse to be true. The vast majority of android users I know all started out on iOS, myself included... However few iOS users I know have ever tried Android... Perhaps for a day or two then reverted.
The plane fact is that Google/Android does not control the manufacturers desire for hardware, wherein, both wp and apple have a strict doctrine for hardware specs... Even with Windows phones, many have very similar specs or types of hardware technologies that wp7 are specifically designed for. Look what happened when wp7 launched... Nothing was supported, app wise, from previous os versions... This speaks to how much wp is compartmentalized, even though it appears to have a variety of device choices.
This is the trade off that we Android users accept, a truly vast array of device types, having virtually any pick and combination of hardware we want, with an endless supply of new devices, but this leads to fragmentation... Jb really targeted this issue and has done amazing things to close the software compatibility issues between devices from both ends of the spectrum... And I believe it will only get better with each new android version.
Personally, I'll take a little stutter hear and there ( haven't seen a touch of it with the moto x btw) than be told what hardware and what software I can have...
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Staying STOCK but still having it all

Hi everyone. I have been a long term reader of XDA, and finally I think I have something to contribute.
I have been a long term modder, constantly flashing new ROMS on my phone. I think I went through about 20 ROMs on my last phone the HTC One S.
But now I am hoping to stay pretty much stock as much as possible. Like a lot of you I can't wait to give Xposed framework a crack, but till then what apps get you through the day, without deciding to whack on TWRP and begin flashing?
For me here is several apps that just takes my stock N5 to the next level without needing to mod. Though some of them work best with root.
DynamicNotification Play store link
Jealous of Moto X users with their funky Active Notifications? this app is the next best thing. Take the time to tweak the settings and you might find this ticks the box. Active Notfiy is ano alternative. But I have not tested it.
Gravity Screen On/Off Play store link
This app is amazing. If you have you phone flat on the desk at work, just pick it up and it swtiches on. Imagine if your phone is trickle charging on a Qi charger, you pick it up and use it then put it down and it times out. I have the 'false turn-on protection in hand & car' checked and this means I have the best of both worlds. I can hit power and switch the screen off till I hit the power again. or not use the power button and allow gravity on off to take care of things. Awesome app.
Dashclock play store link
Probably the best app to come to take advantage of the lockcreen widgets in 4.2. Widgets on 4.4 is not enabled by default, but can be added in settings > security > Enable widgets. The good thing about the widgets on the lockscreen in 4.4 is they got it right. No stupid 'hints' every time you switch on the screen and you can easily remove the default clock on the lockscreen, and add Dashclock as your default lockscreen widget. Awesome.
START!? Play store link
Last but not least. When sticking with the GEL launcher I have found it harder to get to an app I want. It is great to be able to use the persistent Google search bar (Google now) to search using the first few letters of an app to pull it up quickly and launch it. But sometimes I dont remember the name of an app, I just know what I want. So Categories are good. I think the Aviate launcher show a lot of us that. Start!? gives you a neat overlay menu a bit like Action Launcher in which you can have any number of manually managed groups/folders of apps. I paired it with a gesture using GMD gestures so I can launch and use START!? anywhere anytime on my phone. Great app.
Stay stock everyone. Hang in there. Any other suggestions of apps that can help staying stock but still having it all, post below. cheers.
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ES File Explorer Play store link - bblzd recommended this also here

The first two apps (DynamicNotification & Gravity Screen) are both battery killers on an already average battery life. I'm still debating on going back to a Moto X, traded the first one off to get a N5... and some what regretting it. Here's the way I look at it if you have more then one app installed to mimic a native operation on another phone, then get the other phone. But I absolutely love not having to hit the power button on a phone to wake it up.
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ES File Explorer for wireless file transfers and device storage management.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.estrongs.android.pop

magicriggs said:
The first two apps (DynamicNotification & Gravity Screen) are both battery killers on an already average battery life. I'm still debating on going back to a Moto X, traded the first one off to get a N5... and some what regretting it. Here's the way I look at it if you have more then one app installed to mimic a native operation on another phone, then get the other phone. But I absolutely love not having to hit the power button on a phone to wake it up.
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I have the dynamic notification app and it doesn't take as much battery for me, maybe 10% or so. 2hr screen time and 15h 27m on battery. I check twitter and use hangouts/fb messenger alot and I was listening to music for about 3-4 hours straight.

+1 for Dash Clock.

Problem is, you came from a one s. That phone was garbage and no matter what ROM you flashed, the phone was still garbage. I had it and am not biased towards the nexus line in any way. Its a good thing you now own a nexus. The ROM scene is much larger as well as the nexus kernel scene, plus this thing is far from garbage. As far as staying stock, that's your choice, but, I can guarantee you that you will find a ROM dev if you decide to flash and most likely stick with that dev and his/her ROM series. Main reason, the nexus 5 is not garbage nor was the nexus 4. I'm not going to go into battery life, or any other spec/aspect of the nexus 5, but trust me its the best nexus device to date, and the ROMs will only improve upon that statement.

Wow Gravity Screen is awesome!
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Elisha said:
Wow Gravity Screen is awesome!
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i used to do that kind of thing with tasker. but it's a pain to set it up.. on samsung phones the speaker is on the back, so i had a tasker program to switch to speakerphone if i laid the phone face down during a call. and used the camera flash led as a really obnoxiously bright notification light.

Stay stock on developer phone?
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I definitely wanted a Moto X until the N5 came around, as a result I do want to emulate a couple features as I can from the Moto X.
DynamicNotifications is kinda buggy for me but GravityScreen works really well. What I need next is full speech navigation for the N5.

davwman said:
Problem is, you came from a one s. That phone was garbage and no matter what ROM you flashed, the phone was still garbage. I had it and am not biased towards the nexus line in any way. Its a good thing you now own a nexus. The ROM scene is much larger as well as the nexus kernel scene, plus this thing is far from garbage. As far as staying stock, that's your choice, but, I can guarantee you that you will find a ROM dev if you decide to flash and most likely stick with that dev and his/her ROM series. Main reason, the nexus 5 is not garbage nor was the nexus 4. I'm not going to go into battery life, or any other spec/aspect of the nexus 5, but trust me its the best nexus device to date, and the ROMs will only improve upon that statement.
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I had a One S as well. Its amoled screen was much better than the crappy screen on my new Nexus 5. I really miss the deep blacks. Bothers me immensely.
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davwman said:
Problem is, you came from a one s. That phone was garbage and no matter what ROM you flashed, the phone was still garbage. I had it and am not biased towards the nexus line in any way. Its a good thing you now own a nexus. The ROM scene is much larger as well as the nexus kernel scene, plus this thing is far from garbage. As far as staying stock, that's your choice, but, I can guarantee you that you will find a ROM dev if you decide to flash and most likely stick with that dev and his/her ROM series. Main reason, the nexus 5 is not garbage nor was the nexus 4. I'm not going to go into battery life, or any other spec/aspect of the nexus 5, but trust me its the best nexus device to date, and the ROMs will only improve upon that statement.
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I also had a HTC One S, S4 version, and I disagree with you totally. For me, it performed even better than HTC One X which was suposed to be flagship. The colors were awesome, only thing I don't miss is the Pentile matrix where you can see pixels even in fullHD devices as SGS4. Camera was totally awesome, when I moved to SGS3 I missed it, but even more when I moved to N4 which has crappy camera. N5 camera has way to go in order to match your "garbage" camera. Build construction was awesome, I had not any kind of scratches but I know people had. For a device released nearly 2 years ago, HOS was for me best mobile you could buy.
I'm very happy with my n5 (in HOS I tried to get AOSP and, even being good, was not that good), but anyway still think of my HOS (now my mom has it) as a very durable and capable phone.

cannondale0815 said:
I had a One S as well. Its amoled screen was much better than the crappy screen on my new Nexus 5. I really miss the deep blacks. Bothers me immensely.
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You're just used to amoled. I understand. I was once too. Give it a little time and maybe you'll "see the light" and the way a smartphone screen should look.
If you look at the quality reviews around the internet on the N5, its screen is flat out awesome.
Although it's up to you in the end. If it doesn't look good to your eyes and you're unhappy with it you could always return it.

Great thread. Thanks. Didn't know about Dynamic Notifications. Using them now, hopefully it doest kill the battery. I have been getting great battery so far on my N5.

One S
Have to put in a good word for the One S. Mine was rooted with AOKP 4.1.1 ROM and did everything I wanted--except for LTE. So I got an N5. sure the N5 is faster but the One S was a more convenient size and seemed more robustly bult. And KitKat on the N5 has a lot of--let's admit it--Google bloatware that has to be stripped off. Google is actually becoming more like Apple (do it my way!) and the carriers (Take this crapware or else!)

jbdan said:
You're just used to amoled. I understand. I was once too. Give it a little time and maybe you'll "see the light" and the way a smartphone screen should look.
If you look at the quality reviews around the internet on the N5, its screen is flat out awesome.
Although it's up to you in the end. If it doesn't look good to your eyes and you're unhappy with it you could always return it.
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Well, I like dark backgrounds. And it just looks cheap on the N5. Reminds me of an old rear projection TV where blacks weren't really blacks.
This is my set up, and believe me, it looked a lot better on my HOS. But I suppose I digress.
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"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
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cannondale0815 said:
Well, I like dark backgrounds. And it just looks cheap on the N5. Reminds me of an old rear projection TV where blacks weren't really blacks.
This is my set up, and believe me, it looked a lot better on my HOS. But I suppose I digress.
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Totally understand. Looks nice

Does DynamicNotifications conflict with Screen Gravity? Seems like they have some overlapping features.

bblzd said:
ES File Explorer for wireless file transfers and device storage management
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+1 on ES File Explorer

glaudrem said:
I also had a HTC One S, S4 version, and I disagree with you totally. For me, it performed even better than HTC One X which was suposed to be flagship. The colors were awesome, only thing I don't miss is the Pentile matrix where you can see pixels even in fullHD devices as SGS4. Camera was totally awesome, when I moved to SGS3 I missed it, but even more when I moved to N4 which has crappy camera. N5 camera has way to go in order to match your "garbage" camera. Build construction was awesome, I had not any kind of scratches but I know people had. For a device released nearly 2 years ago, HOS was for me best mobile you could buy.
I'm very happy with my n5 (in HOS I tried to get AOSP and, even being good, was not that good), but anyway still think of my HOS (now my mom has it) as a very durable and capable phone.
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So the one s screen looked better? :sly: whatever you say. And the one s was crap, With crap Sense bloat, crap reception, constant loss of cell service, dropped calls, non existent data service. Amoled is crap, and provides nothing but over exaggerated color. I had the one s, in fact 2 to be exact, and they both had the exact same issues. The one s was a low to mid end phone. Never mind htc's mind numbing s on annoyance, and HTC dev unlock. :banghead: the last HTC device I will ever buy.