I don't mean to be rude, but why is there Moto Maxx discussion here? I understand that these phones are nearly identical, but seeing as the thing that makes the Droid Turbo it's own device is that it is stuck inside the constraints of Verizon, I really don't want to come to this forum and see it blowing up with threads about the Moto Maxx and all of the updates and whatnot they are getting in Brazil. If I sound bitter.. I am a bit. You go to a device specific forum to not see things that irrelevant for your device.
TL;DR: Please don't talk about Moto Maxx things in this forum, it's a Droid Turbo Forum. Moderators, please enforce this.
Thanks.
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I don't mean to be rude, but why is there Moto Maxx discussion here? I understand that these phones are nearly identical, but seeing as the thing that makes the Droid Turbo it's own device is that it is stuck inside the constraints of Verizon, I really don't want to come to this forum and see it blowing up with threads about the Moto Maxx and all of the updates and whatnot they are getting in Brazil. If I sound bitter.. I am a bit. You go to a device specific forum to not see things that irrelevant for your device.
TL;DR: Please don't talk about Moto Maxx things in this forum, it's a Droid Turbo Forum. Moderators, please enforce this.
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This subject has already been addressed multiple times. Try browsing the forum a little bit and I'm sure that you'll be able to find the discussion. No need to start a new thread about it
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This subject has already been addressed multiple times. Try browsing the forum a little bit and I'm sure that you'll be able to find the discussion. No need to start a new thread about it
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While you are correct and I should have looked a little harder for that discussion, I would much rather blow up this forum wit multiple threads regarding this topic, than have this forum cluttered with discussion which is ultimately useless to members with the actual "Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo", the titular device of this forum.
Search next time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3032371
I post here because I thought this was the Moto Maxx forum and they misnamed it Droid Turbo on accident. I was just looking at my Moto Maxx by the way and was thinking "damn, that's one mighty fine device" right before I read this post.
In seriousness you might want to read one of the several threads where this has been hashed out at length. A few key takeaways from that are... while not ideal there are reasons why separating these forums would be detrimental to both device owner groups... this had already been posted both on the official thread where it was seconded a number of times along with the threads started here meaning the moderators and administration of this forum have already seen this complaint and chosen not to act on it either in creating a new separate forum or in stopping Maxx owners posting here.
I would suggest putting your vote in on the previous thread on this as well as visiting the official forum suggestion thread and seconding the request there. Who knows make the wheel squeaky enough and maybe you will hit paydirt.
Because Moto maxx int version of turbo, i think this forum need be re-named or maxx have new área
And then there's the U.S. XT1250 Moto Maxx, which is identical to the Droid Turbo XT1254 (same FCC ID number), works on Verizon and has unlockable boot loader. It's basically the "Developer Edition" of the Droid Turbo.
If any development comes which will benefit the Quark XT1254 (Droid Turbo), it's going to come from the Quark XT1250 (U.S. Moto Maxx) or the Quark XT1225 (international Moto Maxx).
The Droid Turbo XT1254 is just Verizon's locked down XT1250 Moto Maxx.
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And then there's the U.S. XT1250 Moto Maxx, which is identical to the Droid Turbo XT1254 (same FCC ID number), works on Verizon and has unlockable boot loader. It's basically the "Developer Edition" of the Droid Turbo.
If any development comes which will benefit the Quark XT1254 (Droid Turbo), it's going to come from the Quark XT1250 (U.S. Moto Maxx) or the Quark XT1225 (international Moto Maxx).
The Droid Turbo XT1254 is just Verizon's locked down XT1250 Moto Maxx.
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So what?
There are many phones with carrier versions and yet, they at the very least have their own sub forums. This is due to laxness on XDA's part and has nothing to do with FCC numbers or similarities.
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So what?
There are many phones with carrier versions and yet, they at the very least have their own sub forums. This is due to laxness on XDA's part and has nothing to do with FCC numbers or similarities.
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Look we can't do anything unless XDA chooses to... Moderators have been to these threads and it has also been posted in the forum request thread and nothing has been done... So until XDA desides to do something about this, we are stuck together!
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Look we can't do anything unless XDA chooses to... Moderators have been to these threads and it has also been posted in the forum request thread and nothing has been done... So until XDA desides to do something about this, we are stuck together!
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I'm aware, but there us no reason for anyone to justify it with FCC ids or anything else. Call it for what it is, indifference on the part of whoever sets up the forums.
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I'm aware, but there us no reason for anyone to justify it with FCC ids or anything else. Call it for what it is, indifference on the part of whoever sets up the forums.
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For this should be quark forum, for all variants
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For this should be quark forum, for all variants
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None of the other forums are structured that way...
Not true, there are several. The latest one I was on was the Find 7a forum which later had the Find 7 added to it making 4 total variants under the same roof since they each had both a Chinese and an international variant. Those handsets had more differences than these do. It isn't a big deal there and it isn't a big deal here. Frankly without the contributions of the entire group that forum would be dead making it ideal for no one. Which pretty much sums up the future of this one as well were it to be divided.
I'm not calling any of you out in particular but right now your "lets kick those pesky Maxx dudes out" thought lhas little logical substance. So far the only reason anyone has come up with for separating it is a segment of one ownership group who feels like they shouldn't have to actually think before clicking a thread. Yes, I'm saying it is obvious by looking at most thread titles whether that thread pertains to a particular device or not. It isn't like anyone would have a bunch of wasted clicks. Further anyone that cares to bother can read the previous threads to see how easy it is to mark thread titles by device if it pertains to only one variant.
Honestly gents, what is your preference, have your own dead forum which you wont bother visiting because to do so would be pointless or dropping the "waaa" line of reasoning and going with what isn't perfect but better than nothing?
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Not true, there are several. The latest one I was on was the Find 7a forum which later had the Find 7 added to it making 4 total variants under the same roof since they each had both a Chinese and an international variant. Those handsets had more differences than these do. It isn't a big deal there and it isn't a big deal here. Frankly without the contributions of the entire group that forum would be dead making it ideal for no one. Which pretty much sums up the future of this one as well were it to be divided.
I'm not calling any of you out in particular but right now your "lets kick those pesky Maxx dudes out" thought lhas little logical substance. So far the only reason anyone has come up with for separating it is a segment of one ownership group who feels like they shouldn't have to actually think before clicking a thread. Yes, I'm saying it is obvious by looking at most thread titles whether that thread pertains to a particular device or not. It isn't like anyone would have a bunch of wasted clicks. Further anyone that cares to bother can read the previous threads to see how easy it is to mark thread titles by device if it pertains to only one variant.
Honestly gents, what is your preference, have your own dead forum which you wont bother visiting because to do so would be pointless or dropping the "waaa" line of reasoning and going with what isn't perfect but better than nothing?
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None of those variants were named by their internal name (like quark), so no they were not. It's not about kicking people out, its about logical organization and right now this forum is a catchall.
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None of those variants were named by their internal name (like quark), so no they were not. It's not about kicking people out, its about logical organization and right now this forum is a catchall.
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For over two years now, the Razr HD has had only one development forum for two variants,
XT926, which is the CDMA/Verizon variant, and XT925 , that is the GSM/international version.
The situation is very similar, if not identical than what we have here now with the Turbo/Maxx. The internals are almost exactly the same, save for radio.
Not saying it is ideal, but it has worked so far.
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For over two years now, the Razr HD has had only one development forum for two variants,
XT926, which is the CDMA/Verizon variant, and XT925 , that is the GSM/international version.
The situation is very similar, if not identical than what we have here now with the Turbo/Maxx. The internals are almost exactly the same, save for radio.
Not saying it is ideal, but it has worked so far.
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How many bricks?
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None of those variants were named by their internal name (like quark), so no they were not. It's not about kicking people out, its about logical organization and right now this forum is a catchall.
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Thats it? You're going to go with "internal names"? lol I have already seen you're incapable of admitting you're wrong and the reason I posted wasn't for your benefit, it was for others that might not be aware that there are reasons why it would be a bad idea. What weighs most important in their mind is up to them and I can respect their opinions just as I respect yours although I think it is short sighted, and poorly thought out.
You are BTW wrong about it being simply a matter of laziness, you used lax but I think I understanding on what you meant? The truth is they cannot administer, monitor, and moderate an unlimited number of forum sections and there can not be one section for every possible device. Go ahead and read up on why that is in the forum faqs as I am thinking you would rather read it from the horses mouth. This is why some devices get no forum at all and there are several that are multiple device combined forums. I've been on two since I've been here myself and another fellow just mentioned one he had been on. They exist and have existed no matter how much you don't want to admit it.
Again, I would suggest you go to the appropriate area up above and second the nomination to separate these devices by whatever means you see fit. I would also suggest you go to the Find 7 section and take a look at just how slow it is despite having the devices combined. While you do so keep in mind that they are less than one year from introduction and started out with developers on board up front and far more posters contributing in the beginning on a stellar device. Note that they added a separate development threads within the section so that people could go directly to their own device development where it was not generic between all of them. Note that people were encouraged to add the device to the thread title when the subject was device specific so that people could quickly skim through it looking for information that is of interest to them.
Split this up and this section dies sooner rather than whatever later ends up being if you keep them together. Maybe you care, maybe you don't. I do care because a perfect forum with no information has less value than an imperfect one that people are contributing in.
I was by the way on the other side last time. The new guys joined us and while I didn't like the arrangement it was better than nothing. There was also less complaining for reasons that I don't know but I am curious as to why this comes up over and over here but was hardly a blip there. Maybe it is the type of people. More US influence here obviously while that one is quite international in nature.
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Thats it? You're going to go with "internal names"? lol I have already seen you're incapable of admitting you're wrong and the reason I posted wasn't for your benefit, it was for others that might not be aware that there are reasons why it would be a bad idea. What weighs most important in their mind is up to them and I can respect their opinions just as I respect yours although I think it is short sighted, and poorly thought out.
You are BTW wrong about it being simply a matter of laziness, you used lax but I think I understanding on what you meant? The truth is they cannot administer, monitor, and moderate an unlimited number of forum sections and there can not be one section for every possible device. Go ahead and read up on why that is in the forum faqs as I am thinking you would rather read it from the horses mouth. This is why some devices get no forum at all and there are several that are multiple device combined forums. I've been on two since I've been here myself and another fellow just mentioned one he had been on. They exist and have existed no matter how much you don't want to admit it.
Again, I would suggest you go to the appropriate area up above and second the nomination to separate these devices by whatever means you see fit. I would also suggest you go to the Find 7 section and take a look at just how slow it is despite having the devices combined. While you do so keep in mind that they are less than one year from introduction and started out with developers on board up front and far more posters contributing in the beginning on a stellar device. Note that they added a separate development threads within the section so that people could go directly to their own device development where it was not generic between all of them. Note that people were encouraged to add the device to the thread title when the subject was device specific so that people could quickly skim through it looking for information that is of interest to them.
Split this up and this section dies sooner rather than whatever later ends up being if you keep them together. Maybe you care, maybe you don't. I do care because a perfect forum with no information has less value than an imperfect one that people are contributing in.
I was by the way on the other side last time. The new guys joined us and while I didn't like the arrangement it was better than nothing. There was also less complaining for reasons that I don't know but I am curious as to why this comes up over and over here but was hardly a blip there. Maybe it is the type of people. More US influence here obviously while that one is quite international in nature.
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Incapable of admitting I am wrong? Of what? Quite the immature comment. Is this some sort of childish competition for you?
No phone here is referred to by internal name. In no situation will it make things clear. In no situation will someone less tech savvy end up in the right forum. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen bricks due to people flashing the wrong firmware for the wrong device. I have my PM inbox on this forum and several others where over the years people have bricked their devices with the wrong firmware and I happened to have a leak that would put them back on the right version. The ONLY reason it hasn't happened in here is that the Turbo is still locked down. If it ever is freed, we will see bricks here unless Maxx users get their own forums, mark my words. Why, you may ask? Well I am glad you did. Because its unlikely we will get a full firmware leak to restore from.
I am wrong about it being laziness? Yes I originally said laxness, for lack of a word to explain their lack of caring, rather than being lazy, LOL.
Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4
T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 4
Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 4
AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4
Samsung Galaxy Note 4
All full forum sets. I can find other examples. Stop huffing and puffing because you think we want Maxx users kicked out. No, I rather the information be separated for logical reasons. It has nothing to do with your ego, nor mine.
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Incapable of admitting I am wrong? Of what? Quite the immature comment. Is this some sort of childish competition for you?
No phone here is referred to by internal name. In no situation will it make things clear. In no situation will someone less tech savvy end up in the right forum. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen bricks due to people flashing the wrong firmware for the wrong device. I have my PM inbox on this forum and several others where over the years people have bricked their devices with the wrong firmware and I happened to have a leak that would put them back on the right version. The ONLY reason it hasn't happened in here is that the Turbo is still locked down. If it ever is freed, we will see bricks here unless Maxx users get their own forums, mark my words. Why, you may ask? Well I am glad you did. Because its unlikely we will get a full firmware leak to restore from.
I am wrong about it being laziness? Yes I originally said laxness, for lack of a word to explain their lack of caring, rather than being lazy, LOL.
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All full forum sets. I can find other examples. Stop huffing and puffing because you think we want Maxx users kicked out. No, I rather the information be separated for logical reasons. It has nothing to do with your ego, nor mine.
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This is only for device with great sales
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This is only for device with great sales
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No it isn't.
This device sells as well as Nexus devices, easily.
Samsung Galaxy S 4 i9500, i9505, i9505G, i9506 if they want to compact it a bit, they could have. Each one has its own developer forum. Same with Nexus devices.
There is no excuse for it. The only other device treated this way is the HTC One M8 for Windows.
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Sorry for posting this here, but I couldn't really find a suitable place since most of the Android action is right here.
These past weeks I've noticed an increase of irrelevant threads and clutter being made in regards to Android development in the HTC Dream forum and every other Android development forum on xda. A lot of Android devices out on the market now are not made by HTC. This of course is causing a problem since this forum is for HTC devices only.
Maybe it would be a good idea if a new forum was created that accounts for all native Android devices (Motorola Droid/Milestone, Motorola Cliq/Dext, Samsung Galaxy, etc...). That way, a lot of the clutter would surely be resolved and a considerate load would be taken off of this server (Gotta hate the horrible load on xda these days...).
I'm sure there are quiet a few people on here that have an HTC device and are fully satisfied with it (Me included!). That doesn't mean that everyone else has to feel the same way. People that choose to go with Samsung, Motorola, etc. for their next Android device should not be left out. That's why I believe there should definitely be a forum that serves everyone.
To put up a new forum specifically for this matter takes no time at all, but it does take participation. So if you feel like this is something you would like to see, please feel free to leave a comment.
What are you're opinions on this matter? Agree? Disagree?
Discuss.
EDIT: If there's enough people interested in this project, would there be anyone willing to help getting things started in terms of hosting space or something similar?
my thoughts are that the few changes that have been recently made should help if they are utilized. now we have a forum for general android development for devs, and the rom releases are in the device specific forums. Here was my idea, but i think they made the right choice. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4795376&postcount=1
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my thoughts are that the few changes that have been recently made should help if they are utilized. now we have a forum for general android development for devs, and the rom releases are in the device specific forums. Here was my idea, but i think they made the right choice. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4795376&postcount=1
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It's a start. But I don't think xda is going to put up more sub forums for each new device out there. Thus, development and ROM threads for Motorola and other devices will be left out. Unless I understood your post incorrectly
no, you're right, i just dont think xda WANTS to keep up with every brand that uses android. they apparently keep their focus on HTC devices. there are gonna be a FLOOD of manufacturers utilizing droid in the future, and unless xda wants to change their focus, they will stick with one brand
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no, you're right, i just dont think xda WANTS to keep up with every brand that uses android. they apparently keep their focus on HTC devices. there are gonna be a FLOOD of manufacturers utilizing droid in the future, and unless xda wants to change their focus, they will stick with one brand
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Yea that's exactly my point.
There WILL be a flood of Android devices from all kinds of manufacturers and it would be nice if there was a place for all of them come together. That way, everyone can keep track of specific development without having to switch between dozens of forums.
My $0.02.
good luck, my friend. Most likely it will take someone to else to start a new site to accomplish. funny, i was fooling around a couple days ago and did this. http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=176593179336&v=wall
not saying this is the solution, but you are not alone in your concerns.
I see that a few agree with me, care to share your point of view? Maybe it will spark this thing.
This is it. Given that both devices are internally differnet, no rom or custom development would ever work on both and there's not even carrier compatibility. Given that devices like the SGS III has different forums for carriers, I believe that the Razr i should at least have it's own forum. What do you think?
Like I said in another thread, I agree. I'd like to see this happen.
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This is it. Given that both devices are internally differnet, no rom or custom development would ever work on both and there's not even carrier compatibility. Given that devices like the SGS III has different forums for carriers, I believe that the Razr i should at least have it's own forum. What do you think?
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Agree. Own forum or at least a sub forum here.
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Agreed. The processor is really different from the Razr M so the I should have it's own subforum.
Gets my vote too. Had my Razr i since mid week and I'm really liking it. What I really like is I never lose signal compared to my previous HTC One phones. Battery life rocks too. Great phone but it needs its own forum. We'll still visit the M forum
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Yep,
Another subforum would make sense like good old days of G3/G4 wizards (anyone remember these?)
It definatly need its own subforum for development, accesories not so much. they are different models but only in the inside.
It just baffles me that the the galaxy s3 gets full forums just for different carriers and yet the razr i still hasn't gotten a forum. It is a released phone after all, and I'm pretty sure it'll become available in non-LTE markets like South America and many contries accross europe.
Any reason it's not showing up in the Find Your Device search thing?
Yes!
I agree. I'd like to see this happen
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I agree. I'd like to see this happen
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Already happened...and this thread is in that section, so you already posted in it.
I have been an Active (i537) owner since the first day it came out. Along with others, I remember begging XDA for our own forum--separate from the regular S4 forum. Now, I am wondering if, perhaps, we should have been more specific. It seems like the differences between the i537 and the i9295 are great enough that we should have asked for two new forums instead of one. I don't follow the S4 thread, so maybe, these small differences exist in that forum also, but sometimes, it seems a little tedious to have our own forum and still have to carefully check for the model number that pertains to my phone. I don't intend this purely as a complaint, but am I the only one that thinks that the two should have been separated?
BTW, I do realize that it is very late in the game to reasonably ask for two separate forums. It would be a major pain to even attempt to make a split now. I am really just asking how similar are these two phones? Maybe, I am missing something.
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I have been an Active (i537) owner since the first day it came out. Along with others, I remember begging XDA for our own forum--separate from the regular S4 forum. Now, I am wondering if, perhaps, we should have been more specific. It seems like the differences between the i537 and the i9295 are great enough that we should have asked for two new forums instead of one. I don't follow the S4 thread, so maybe, these small differences exist in that forum also, but sometimes, it seems a little tedious to have our own forum and still have to carefully check for the model number that pertains to my phone. I don't intend this purely as a complaint, but am I the only one that thinks that the two should have been separated?
BTW, I do realize that it is very late in the game to reasonably ask for two separate forums. It would be a major pain to even attempt to make a split now. I am really just asking how similar are these two phones? Maybe, I am missing something.
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The only difference between the i537 and the i9295 is that the i537 has a locked bootloader, other than that they are the exact same phone. The only problem I see with having separate forums is what happens if/when they figure out a way to unlock the bootloader? Then you have identical phones in two different forums. I agree it takes a minute to figure out which phone people are talking about, but generally it's pretty easy to figure out.
I am requesting an official Sub-Forum for the Sprint Galaxy S4 Tri-Band.
While most roms work from the original variant, None of them support the radio correctly. As an example, using any kernel on stock TW will kill the radio, and users have to search and wade through the SPH-L720 forums to find info/files for our device.
A sub forum with the requirement of supporting the Tri-band version would be helpful to the Sprint S4 community, as it would stop much of the confusion of using the same forum, when it is not the same device. I also believe it would help gather more attention for what is now the standard sprint S4.
P.S. I have posted this in the appropriate thread, I just want to see how much of you want the same thing.
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I am requesting an official Sub-Forum for the Sprint Galaxy S4 Tri-Band.
While most roms work from the original variant, None of them support the radio correctly. As an example, using any kernel on stock TW will kill the radio, and users have to search and wade through the SPH-L720 forums to find info/files for our device.
A sub forum with the requirement of supporting the Tri-band version would be helpful to the Sprint S4 community, as it would stop much of the confusion of using the same forum, when it is not the same device. I also believe it would help gather more attention for what is now the standard sprint S4.
P.S. I have posted this in the appropriate thread, I just want to see how much of you want the same thing.
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Absolutely!
We have needed this for quite some time now... Just having a thread or a few is not enough, come on XDA Administration, don't you think it has been long overdue?
I would like a sub forum for it.
Agreed, I realize it is a pain to setup for a small(?) Amount of users, but it would be much more convenient to locate information on my phone.
Sorry guys. This will not happen. What needs to be done is ROM developers need to properly label in their titles or OPs whether the tri-band is properly supported. As stated the same ROMs flash and do not cause bricks so there is no danger therefore no needed extra forum.
It's not just ROMS, it's also T specific tweaks.
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It's not just ROMS, it's also T specific tweaks.
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Which can be made into a flashable zip....point is, there is no danger to either version. This is a development site and people should understand what they are flashing on their phone. As mentioned...ask that developers properly label their OP or thread title whether or not tri-band is supported.
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Which can be made into a flashable zip....point is, there is no danger to either version. This is a development site and people should understand what they are flashing on their phone. As mentioned...ask that developers properly label their OP or thread title whether or not tri-band is supported.
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No disrespect to you, but I think you are missing the point as to why have a sub forum with-in this forum. There are so many questions throughout this forum now that are mixed in with other threads and digging through to find the information is a challenge for anyone new. A lot of the questions for the T version become un-answered. If there were a place where all the threads could be in one place that would be great! Besides it would not be hard for it to be added. The only reason I could think of is if no one wanted to mod the section to keep people in check.
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No disrespect to you, but I think you are missing the point as to why have a sub forum with-in this forum. There are so many questions throughout this forum now that are mixed in with other threads and digging through to find the information is a challenge for anyone new. A lot of the questions for the T version become un-answered. If there were a place where all the threads could be in one place that would be great! Besides it would not be hard for it to be added. The only reason I could think of is if no one wanted to mod the section to keep people in check.
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Moderation is not an issue at all. It would just be included in the US Samsung team of 48 existing devices. I think the point is being missed that there is not enough differences in hardware to warrant it as 99% of the work is compatible and the only issues will be not taking full advantage of the tri-band spectrum. Look at the Galaxy Nexus forum. There is an international device and a Sprint CDMA device sharing the same forum just fine. The only difference is that the international ROMs WILL brick the Sprint device so another development subforum was added. In this case all you would need to do is flash a compatible ROM. Add to that this is not the place to ask for more device forums. It is here. But as I said, I can guarantee it will be denied based on the reasons I already stated.
The only T specific questions that I would expect to see are issues with tri-band connectivity (welcome to Sprint) and what ROMs are T-friendly. If the ROM threads are properly titled then there would be no need for the last question.
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Moderation is not an issue at all. It would just be included in the US Samsung team of 48 existing devices. I think the point is being missed that there is not enough differences in hardware to warrant it as 99% of the work is compatible and the only issues will be not taking full advantage of the tri-band spectrum. Look at the Galaxy Nexus forum. There is an international device and a Sprint CDMA device sharing the same forum just fine. The only difference is that the international ROMs WILL brick the Sprint device so another development subforum was added. In this case all you would need to do is flash a compatible ROM. Add to that this is not the place to ask for more device forums. It is here. But as I said, I can guarantee it will be denied based on the reasons I already stated.
The only T specific questions that I would expect to see are issues with tri-band connectivity (welcome to Sprint) and what ROMs are T-friendly. If the ROM threads are properly titled then there would be no need for the last question.
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The only problem with that theory is that MOST GS4 owners have the earlier version. So they can't add Tri Band support to their rom.
This sub forum would be a place where you KNOW everything has Tri Band.
It would actually push developers to support Tri Band because currently nobody does.
My main point being is that it wouldn't hurt anyone. It would only help those of us that have the upgraded model.
Also TW Kernels break the radio on stock. JS
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The only problem with that theory is that MOST GS4 owners have the earlier version. So they can't add Tri Band support to their rom.
This sub forum would be a place where you KNOW everything has Tri Band.
It would actually push developers to support Tri Band because currently nobody does.
My main point being is that it wouldn't hurt anyone. It would only help those of us that have the upgraded model.
Also TW Kernels break the radio on stock. JS
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I gave you the link to where you can post your request. My point is that devices with similar hardware do not get their own forum. It does not get done unless there is potential for damage to the other device...there isn't. You can flash any ROM on either device. If you realize you are one of the few with a tri-band phone and your LTE isn't working you would simply flash a ROM that does support it. Unless you can show that there is a potential for damage then you will have to read the OP of the ROMs you are choosing to flash on your $700 device..sounds like something everyone should be doing.
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I gave you the link to where you can post your request. My point is that devices with similar hardware do not get their own forum. It does not get done unless there is potential for damage to the other device...there isn't. You can flash any ROM on either device. If you realize you are one of the few with a tri-band phone and your LTE isn't working you would simply flash a ROM that does support it. Unless you can show that there is a potential for damage then you will have to read the OP of the ROMs you are choosing to flash on your $700 device..sounds like something everyone should be doing.
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Already posted in the thread for forum requests. Before I made this thread actually.
This is to spread awareness that it should be done, and by the poll i think most people agree.
It's like Cyanogenmod. you don't have an official build until EVERY hardware feature is supported.
I really don't get why anyone would have anything against this change. it doesn't hurt the website, it doesn't hurt the regular L720 forum.
It benefits the community. which i'm pretty sure is what this website is about.
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Already posted in the thread for forum requests. Before I made this thread actually.
This is to spread awareness that it should be done, and by the poll i think most people agree.
It's like Cyanogenmod. you don't have an official build until EVERY hardware feature is supported.
I really don't get why anyone would have anything against this change. it doesn't hurt the website, it doesn't hurt the regular L720 forum.
It benefits the community. which i'm pretty sure is what this website is about.
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Actually this is a development site created by developers for developers. It is not a support site. As for your poll of 13 votes, it is kind of biased as only people with that device are voting...not much difference in asking a teenager "Do you want your own room." I hardly think 13 people are going to sway admin to start a new precedent. You don't seem to understand that there are MANY devices with more than one release of a hardware variant. As it is now members go to the wrong S4 forum. Look at the big picture for once..imagine a site with another 1000 forums due to slight hardware vbariances...only requiring one thing..for the member to read. If you go to the Sprint HTC M8 forums there is 2 devices there...the original M8 release and the Harman-Kardon device. If you flash ROMs without the H-K files or firmware you will lose the Harman-Kardon features...that does not justify making their own forum...and guarantee you will get 13 votes if you had a similar poll there. This is not about fighting you on one small community of devices, this is about a site precedent and not spoon feeding members for every little thing. It is expected that members do the research before flashing anything...if they do not know to check for the proper support in a ROM then they should not be flashing ROMs. They should stay on stock and get the full support the manufacturer has provided.
The best thing that someone can do for development and the community is to make a thread in General of all the ROMs that support the T device. Keep it maintained with any updates and new work. THAT is how you help the community. I see one has been created...excellent! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2660866
I appreciate your passion for this request but you really are not seeing beyond your own needs here. You have to look at the big picture and how this site is set up and run....not that we are failing to grant you this "small" request. And did you not think that this would mean developers would have to support 2 threads in 2 forums rather than one thread in one forum and have a flashable zip to make it T compatible. Developers time is valuable as they do this for free, as a hobby and with great cost to their personal and family time. Most do not want to create and support an additional thread and ROM for such a minor variance. If there is ever a firmware upgrade that causes bricks between these variants I am sure Admin will look at this request more closely.
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Actually this is a development site created by developers for developers. It is not a support site. As for your poll of 13 votes, it is kind of biased as only people with that device are voting...not much difference in asking a teenager "Do you want your own room." I hardly think 13 people are going to sway admin to start a new precedent. You don't seem to understand that there are MANY devices with more than one release of a hardware variant. As it is now members go to the wrong S4 forum. Look at the big picture for once..imagine a site with another 1000 forums due to slight hardware vbariances...only requiring one thing..for the member to read. If you go to the Sprint HTC M8 forums there is 2 devices there...the original M8 release and the Harman-Kardon device. If you flash ROMs without the H-K files or firmware you will lose the Harman-Kardon features...that does not justify making their own forum...and guarantee you will get 13 votes if you had a similar poll there. This is not about fighting you on one small community of devices, this is about a site precedent and not spoon feeding members for every little thing. It is expected that members do the research before flashing anything...if they do not know to check for the proper support in a ROM then they should not be flashing ROMs. They should stay on stock and get the full support the manufacturer has provided.
The best thing that someone can do for development and the community is to make a thread in General of all the ROMs that support the T device. Keep it maintained with any updates and new work. THAT is how you help the community. I see one has been created...excellent! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2660866
I appreciate your passion for this request but you really are not seeing beyond your own needs here. You have to look at the big picture and how this site is set up and run....not that we are failing to grant you this "small" request. And did you not think that this would mean developers would have to support 2 threads in 2 forums rather than one thread in one forum and have a flashable zip to make it T compatible. Developers time is valuable as they do this for free, as a hobby and with great cost to their personal and family time. Most do not want to create and support an additional thread and ROM for such a minor variance. If there is ever a firmware upgrade that causes bricks between these variants I am sure Admin will look at this request more closely.
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I get it, I really do, but a sub-forum really wouldn't get in the way of anything. i'm not really asking for a whole new forum. That thread just says what works, none of them support the radio itself. But is a sub forum where we can take care of each other easier really spoon feeding?
Like under the theme and apps forum have our 720T specific forum.
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I get it, I really do, but a sub-forum really wouldn't get in the way of anything. i'm not really asking for a whole new forum. That thread just says what works, none of them support the radio itself. But is a sub forum where we can take care of each other easier really spoon feeding?
Like under the theme and apps forum have our 720T specific forum.
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I really don't think you do. If you did, then you would realize that making a seperate subforum for people who cannot be bothered to read an OP IS spoon-feeding. If there is no damage to the phone then simply properly labeling the thread title resolves this. Also as mentioned, a proper flashable zip with radio and support files will also make all ROMs compatible.
After lurking for years, I will make my first post in support of this idea.
I am in favor of this I have an 720 and a 720t would make it a little easier.
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I really get what Kenny is saying .... but it isn't just the roms. Many of the xposed modules do not work for example. And I am not sure whether its being 4.4.2 or 720T. I can't get tethering to work without paying for an app (which I did). There is a 66 page thread about 720T related stuff because its just different enough to be a pia. At the very least we should all maybe try to label every 720t post with [720T] so that its easily searchable. Still means we have to do a search every time, but would be a little better in the meantime. Also, I had no idea there was such a thing as a 720T until I got this one as an insurance replacement. Perhaps this thread will at least let others in the forums know that such a thing exists and encourage everyone to specify 720 vs 720T when they are making posts so as to avoid confusion.
Yes, absolutely. I was thinking the same exact thing. This is a unique device that needs a sub forum.
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I assume this thread will be moved and if it is, then no problem.
I'm coming off of a Galaxy Note 4, whenever my 512 GB Galaxy Note 9 variant actually arrives later this month.
For the GN4, the forums are laid out a little bit differently. The Main GN4 forum and then for carrier specific variants. I also always thought it was confusing how Developer Editions were also lumped into the same areas.
With the GN9, I'm noticing chatter between the two different processors in the same area: Snapdragon and Exynos.
Things like accessories, I'm going to guess, will apply to both models and all carriers, whereas, any "tools" or MODs/ROMs, will not. So, in otherwords, I'll have the T-mobile version, so it'd be nice to see any GN9 accessories and only any compatible ROMs/tools/rooting methods, if applicable. It is to my understanding that such is not possible on this variant...at least, not yet.
That said, any chance the structure of the GN9 area of the forums might be changed up a bit in the future?
Look at the other forums and you will see your answer.
It's mainly to create more clutter and add to the ever increasing confusion that happens here on xda. It's not like the old days where **** got done quickly and answered fast because people had less **** to wade through. Those days are years in then past and never coming back. Get use to the 45 other countries and variants posts to wade through.
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It's mainly to create more clutter and add to the ever increasing confusion that happens here on xda. It's not like the old days where **** got done quickly and answered fast because people had less **** to wade through. Those days are years in then past and never coming back. Get use to the 45 other countries and variants posts to wade through.
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It because most things are the same between the versions (even more so when sperated to Qualcomm and Exynos).
But yeah probably because of your reasons. Which is funny since even with all the "confusion" you're still here, must not be that confusing.
i hope they never ever ever ever split by carrier again. its the most retarded thing ever and it dosent even cover all carriers.
By cpu YES
By carrier NO
carrier split causses
duplicate threads and topics. less visibility for cpu specific questions and so on.
if you have carrier specific comments or irritations etc, take it to your carriers forum so they can acctualy hear about your concerns and maybe do something about it!!
It took a while with the Note 8 and Note 7 to create the carrier specific threads. What the hold up is this year, I don't know.
It was done to help the moderators as the carrier threads rarely seen any action in last few years....Every one posts in the regular threads any ways and it became to much to move it all
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i hope they never ever ever ever split by carrier again. its the most retarded thing ever and it dosent even cover all carriers.
By cpu YES
By carrier NO
carrier split causses
duplicate threads and topics. less visibility for cpu specific questions and so on.
if you have carrier specific comments or irritations etc, take it to your carriers forum so they can acctualy hear about your concerns and maybe do something about it!!
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I do wish this is how it was By CPU
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I do wish this is how it was By CPU
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make it so #1
JOSHSKORN said:
I assume this thread will be moved and if it is, then no problem.
I'm coming off of a Galaxy Note 4, whenever my 512 GB Galaxy Note 9 variant actually arrives later this month.
For the GN4, the forums are laid out a little bit differently. The Main GN4 forum and then for carrier specific variants. I also always thought it was confusing how Developer Editions were also lumped into the same areas.
With the GN9, I'm noticing chatter between the two different processors in the same area: Snapdragon and Exynos.
Things like accessories, I'm going to guess, will apply to both models and all carriers, whereas, any "tools" or MODs/ROMs, will not. So, in otherwords, I'll have the T-mobile version, so it'd be nice to see any GN9 accessories and only any compatible ROMs/tools/rooting methods, if applicable. It is to my understanding that such is not possible on this variant...at least, not yet.
That said, any chance the structure of the GN9 area of the forums might be changed up a bit in the future?
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With all of the user we now have it makes it harder as their where 2 teams one for international samsungs and one for US carrier...
All the US users started posting in main threads, If something needed to be done from there we had to get a hold of moderators in that area. Now we all work together among all of the sections of samsung... I will leave this thread here as it is a valid discussion,I will make note of separate sections for Snap and EXY But prob not gonna happen at current devices
As to further this it would make sense to do by CPU architecture As all the US now are exactly the same just different firmware This was not always the case Each US carrier tweaked the device to their liking
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It took a while with the Note 8 and Note 7 to create the carrier specific threads. What the hold up is this year, I don't know.
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The S8s and note 8 are the last samsung device to get carrier threads
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With all of the user we now have it makes it harder as their where 2 teams one for international samsungs and one for US carrier...
All the US users started posting in main threads, If something needed to be done from there we had to get a hold of moderators in that area. Now we all work together among all of the sections of samsung... I will leave this thread here as it is a valid discussion,I will make note of separate sections for Snap and EXY But prob not gonna happen at current devices
As to further this it would make sense to do by CPU architecture As all the US now are exactly the same just different firmware This was not always the case Each US carrier tweaked the device to their liking
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I've seen similar discussions on other sites,there's pros & cons either way.
Just about all differences can be cured by using the search feature,regardless of how the device forum is set-up.
I just prefer to read about threads that only pertain to my variant, that's how it is with the GN4 forums. For the most part, Accessories and general discussions are all the same, but obviously rooting and ROM usage differs. The Verizon VN4 forums weren't perfect, because it included the Dev Ed, but root was later obtainable so it ended up being ok. Hopefully the Tmo GN9 at see point gets root but I don't have high hopes. It's just a little frustrating having all of these non Tmo threads dangling in my face, talking about root. I feel like a hungry dog being denied a bone. Lol
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The S8s and note 8 are the last samsung device to get carrier threads
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woohoo!
KOLIOSIS said:
I've seen similar discussions on other sites,there's pros & cons either way.
Just about all differences can be cured by using the search feature,regardless of how the device forum is set-up.
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I just prefer to read about threads that only pertain to my variant, that's how it is with the GN4 forums. For the most part, Accessories and general discussions are all the same, but obviously rooting and ROM usage differs. The Verizon VN4 forums weren't perfect, because it included the Dev Ed, but root was later obtainable so it ended up being ok. Hopefully the Tmo GN9 at see point gets root but I don't have high hopes. It's just a little frustrating having all of these non Tmo threads dangling in my face, talking about root. I feel like a hungry dog being denied a bone. Lol
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That too I have a S8 snap so locked bootloader and all these wonderful rom
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I just prefer to read about threads that only pertain to my variant, that's how it is with the GN4 forums. For the most part, Accessories and general discussions are all the same, but obviously rooting and ROM usage differs. The Verizon VN4 forums weren't perfect, because it included the Dev Ed, but root was later obtainable so it ended up being ok. Hopefully the Tmo GN9 at see point gets root but I don't have high hopes. It's just a little frustrating having all of these non Tmo threads dangling in my face, talking about root. I feel like a hungry dog being denied a bone. Lol
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are you aware that US carriers all have snapdragon chip for a while now. When and if root comes, it won't be for a specific carrier but for that snapdragon cpu.
the threads you are reading are from the exynos cpu variant. the quicker you realise this the quicker you will turn from an animal to a sentient being...
I sort of know how that works. VZW had a bootloader lock, that was exploited by a CID, I think. Can't remember the rest of the root process, it's been awhile. So now that I'm on Tmo, I assume there could be carrier related locks on the bootloader as well, much less anything related to snapdragon.
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are you aware that US carriers all have snapdragon chip for a while now. When and if root comes, it won't be for a specific carrier but for that snapdragon cpu.
the threads you are reading are from the exynos cpu variant. the quicker you realise this the quicker you will turn from an animal to a sentient being...
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I sort of know how that works. VZW had a bootloader lock, that was exploited by a CID, I think. Can't remember the rest of the root process, it's been awhile. So now that I'm on Tmo, I assume there could be carrier related locks on the bootloader as well, much less anything related to snapdragon.
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I remember the cid root my S5 i think was like that I had one that could be rooted and one that couldnt
I still got the rooted one needs a screen
it had safestrap bootloader is still locked but their are a couple stock based roms but no aosp or such If im not mistaken Been a long time
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I sort of know how that works. VZW had a bootloader lock, that was exploited by a CID, I think. Can't remember the rest of the root process, it's been awhile. So now that I'm on Tmo, I assume there could be carrier related locks on the bootloader as well, much less anything related to snapdragon.
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on recent modern time devices its pretty much how i described it.