I'm about to buy a used Moto X XT1060 in a couple of days. I understand thats the Verizon variant of the phone.
I wanted to make sure that this phone will work fine on GSM and 3G networks in my country. My country uses 850/1800 for GSM, 2100 for 3G and 1800 (Band 3) for LTE. I know that LTE wont work cause this device doesnt have band 3 but Im quite happy with 3G.
Can you guys please confirm that 3G will work fine on this phone? Ive found some threads here on XDA from people who are having issues using 3G data on this phone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X_(1st_generation)#Variants
XT1060
CDMA Bands: 850/1900
GSM Bands: Quad
UMTS Bands: 850/900/1900/2100
LTE Bands: 4/13
All variants support four 2G GSM bands 850/900/1800/1900.
The XT1050 is a regional device for smaller carriers but uses identical bands.
The Verizon XT1060 is CDMA/GSM variant that is SIM unlocked out of the box. To use the XT1060 on a GSM carrier, you need to force its radio to GSM and the Verizon firmware will always tell you its a "non-verizon sim" inserted in the phone.
It supports the following frequencies..
CDMA = 800/1900
GSM/GPRS/Edge (aka 2G/2.5G) = 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
UMTS/HSPA (aka 3G) = 850/900/1900/2100 Mhz
HSPA+ (aka 4G) = 850/900/1900/2100 Mhz
4G LTE = Band 4 and 13.
When using on GSM carriers, it will get the fastest connection based on what the phone supports vs what the carrier uses.
To be honest, If you want to use it on a GSM carrier, you're better off getting the XT1053, or other GSM unlocked X. And.. take a look at this thread... http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/xt1053-xt1060-developer-edition-t3057585
Hey guys! Thanks for the help @fury683 and especially @KidJoe
Fortunately, I'm very well versed with the frequencies supported by the phone.
And my first choice would be to try and get a XT1052 - the international variant.
Unfortunately, in my city, the only variant available is the XT1060 and the too the retail version.
All I wanted to confirm was whether the Verizon Firmware will give me any problems like not detecting my sim or not connecting to 3G networks (local networks use 2100 for both HSPA & HSPA+ so theoretically it shouldn't have any problems).
Also, can I root it? There's a 90% chance that it'll be running 4.2.2 so I've heard there's the Sunshine unlocking method or something which can help me unlock the bootloader (unless the previous owner already did it; in which case it'll be a blessing!)
And is there anyway I can confirm if the phone is refurbished (whether it has been opened at any point in its life)?
usmanshahid said:
Hey guys! Thanks for the help @fury683 and especially @KidJoe
Fortunately, I'm very well versed with the frequencies supported by the phone.
And my first choice would be to try and get a XT1052 - the international variant.
Unfortunately, in my city, the only variant available is the XT1060 and the too the retail version.
All I wanted to confirm was whether the Verizon Firmware will give me any problems like not detecting my sim or not connecting to 3G networks (local networks use 2100 for both HSPA & HSPA+ so theoretically it shouldn't have any problems).
Also, can I root it? There's a 90% chance that it'll be running 4.2.2 so I've heard there's the Sunshine unlocking method or something which can help me unlock the bootloader (unless the previous owner already did it; in which case it'll be a blessing!)
And is there anyway I can confirm if the phone is refurbished (whether it has been opened at any point in its life)?
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The XT1060 will work on GSM for carriers supporting/using the "standard 4" (850/900/1900/2100 MHz). You MIGHT have to manually enter your APN settings.
As for rooting, If the phone has 4.4.2 or lower, and has NEVER had 4.4.4 on it, you can use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader, then root. IF you receive the phone and it has 4.4.4 on it, you will not be able to unlock the bootloader. And there is no root method for 4.4.4 with a locked bootloader.
I found this beautiful AT&T Moto X today. And before I finalize the deal in a day or two, I want to run a few things by you guys;
1. The phone is running '165.44.1.ghost_att.ATT.en.US' - which is 4.4.2, right?
The bootloader is locked with a Status '0'. So I guess rooting is out of the question, right?
2. When I opened the phone in fastboot, it showed the following bootloader info;
30.B4 (sha-a542ee0)
What does that mean, exactly?
3. Under the 'Kernel Version', it showed some numbers and this;
[email protected]#1
a date stamp
^What does this mean?
I had the phone in my hand for about a good twenty minutes. It was in a very good condition. Had the AT&T logo and a tiny "assembled in USA" stamp on the back. It had a couple of AT&T apps as well.
So what do you guys think? Should I go for it? And are there any other things I should check before I cough up the cash?
And is there any way I can check NFC in the store?
Oh and did the new XT1058 come as a network locked device? Will I be able to run it on my local networks without any locking issues? (all frequency bands available on the phone are supported in my country!)
@KidJoe The phone was showing its IMEI in the "About Phone" tab in the settings menu.
So that should indicate its free from that dead IMEI issue that some of the other guys on XDA faced, right?
Also, I've heard the Rogers stock ROM is almost completely free of bloat. So can I flash a Rogers 4.4.2 SBF without unlocking the bootloader on the phone?
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I found this beautiful AT&T Moto X today. And before I finalize the deal in a day or two, I want to run a few things by you guys;
1. The phone is running '165.44.1.ghost_att.ATT.en.US' - which is 4.4.2, right?
The bootloader is locked with a Status '0'. So I guess rooting is out of the question, right?
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That is correct. Its 4.4.2
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2. When I opened the phone in fastboot, it showed the following bootloader info;
30.B4 (sha-a542ee0)
What does that mean, exactly?
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That is the bootloader version. Its consistent with 4.4.2... WHICH IS GOOD!!!
Use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader, then you can root no matter what rom is on your phone.
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3. Under the 'Kernel Version', it showed some numbers and this;
[email protected]#1
a date stamp
^What does this mean?
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I'm not sure the Kernel Version for the ATT roms. Sorry.
usmanshahid said:
I had the phone in my hand for about a good twenty minutes. It was in a very good condition. Had the AT&T logo and a tiny "assembled in USA" stamp on the back. It had a couple of AT&T apps as well.
So what do you guys think? Should I go for it? And are there any other things I should check before I cough up the cash?
And is there any way I can check NFC in the store?
Oh and did the new XT1058 come as a network locked device? Will I be able to run it on my local networks without any locking issues? (all frequency bands available on the phone are supported in my country!)
@KidJoe The phone was showing its IMEI in the "About Phone" tab in the settings menu.
So that should indicate its free from that dead IMEI issue that some of the other guys on XDA faced, right?
Also, I've heard the Rogers stock ROM is almost completely free of bloat. So can I flash a Rogers 4.4.2 SBF without unlocking the bootloader on the phone?
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If you do NOT take any updates, you can unlock the bootloader using Sunshine, and then you're free to upddate, and root as you wish.
To test NFC in "store", if you have a fitbit Flex, Force or Charge, install the fitbit app on the phone, tap your fitbit device. Does the app launch? If yes, NFC is working fine. I don't know of another way.
The XT1058 is SIM Locked (aka carrier locked), but you can purchase a SIM unlock code on line cheap, unless you can get ATT to provide it to you (you have to meet their conditions).
You can NOT flash anything but stock Moto XT1058 for ATT rom unless you unlock the bootloader.
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That is correct. Its 4.4.2
That is the bootloader version. Its consistent with 4.4.2... WHICH IS GOOD!!!
Use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader, then you can root no matter what rom is on your phone.
I'm not sure the Kernel Version for the ATT roms. Sorry.
If you do NOT take any updates, you can unlock the bootloader using Sunshine, and then you're free to upddate, and root as you wish.
To test NFC in "store", if you have a fitbit Flex, Force or Charge, install the fitbit app on the phone, tap your fitbit device. Does the app launch? If yes, NFC is working fine. I don't know of another way.
The XT1058 is SIM Locked (aka carrier locked), but you can purchase a SIM unlock code on line cheap, unless you can get ATT to provide it to you (you have to meet their conditions).
You can NOT flash anything but stock Moto XT1058 for ATT rom unless you unlock the bootloader.
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Thanks for all your help!
I got the phone today. It's on 4.4.2 and is already SIM unlocked. I plan to unlock the bootloader after a few days!
usmanshahid said:
Thanks for all your help!
I got the phone today. It's on 4.4.2 and is already SIM unlocked. I plan to unlock the bootloader after a few days!
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Cool, just make sure you do NOT take any Over The Air Updates. Once you get 4.4.4 on there, you wont be able to bootloader unlock an ATT XT1058.
@KidJoe
Dude, I ran into a problem with Sunshine. They don't accept my credit card and I don't have a paypal account.
I'm working on getting a new card, but in the mean time I wanted to ask if I could use the Pie hack to temporarily root the phone to remove the AT&T bloatware.
Would that work?
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@KidJoe
Dude, I ran into a problem with Sunshine. They don't accept my credit card and I don't have a paypal account.
I'm working on getting a new card, but in the mean time I wanted to ask if I could use the Pie hack to temporarily root the phone to remove the AT&T bloatware.
Would that work?
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Yes, but keep in mind that TowelPie is a temp root and doesn't disable write protection. So, Boot, root, remove the bloat, but if you reboot the phone (or power off/on), bloat returns and you need to re-root
@KidJoe
I unlocked my phone's (ATT XT1058) bootloader recently using Sunshine.
Unfortunately, after I updated it to 4.4.4, it somehow got network locked.
Can I remove the network lock by flashing the stock ROM of the international Moto X (XT1052)?
usmanshahid said:
@KidJoe
I unlocked my phone's (ATT XT1058) bootloader recently using Sunshine.
Unfortunately, after I updated it to 4.4.4, it somehow got network locked.
Can I remove the network lock by flashing the stock ROM of the international Moto X (XT1052)?
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Flashing the rom from a different model will not sim unlock you.
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Flashing the rom from a different model will not sim unlock you.
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So how do I SIM unlock my phone? Besides getting the code from ATT.
Is there any way to do it for free?
Thank you for your help!
EDIT: In many of your threads you've warned people to not attempt to downgrade the ROM. Meaning I can't flash a Stock 4.4.2 SBF after I've updated the phone to 4.4.4.
But what if flash a custom ROM like cyanogenmod and then attempt to flash the stock 4.4.2 SBF. Will it still brick my phone?
usmanshahid said:
@KidJoe
Dude, I ran into a problem with Sunshine. They don't accept my credit card and I don't have a paypal account.
I'm working on getting a new card, but in the mean time I wanted to ask if I could use the Pie hack to temporarily root the phone to remove the AT&T bloatware.
Would that work?
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You can use Western-Union to transfer your payment to the sunshine developers... Im also from Pakistan and Unlocked my bootloader through sunshine by using the western union payment method... You dont need to work hard for a new credit card..
usmanshahid said:
So how do I SIM unlock my phone? Besides getting the code from ATT.
Is there any way to do it for free?
I just spent around $35 on Sunshine (the $10 extra was for transferring the money from my country).
It may not sound like much, but it's a lot in my country.
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I don't have anything I can suggest to SIM unlock the XT1058 for free. Some services online sell SIM unlock codes, that would be the only thing I can suggest.
usmanshahid said:
EDIT: In many of your threads you've warned people to not attempt to downgrade the ROM. Meaning I can't flash a Stock 4.4.2 SBF after I've updated the phone to 4.4.4.
But what if flash a custom ROM like cyanogenmod and then attempt to flash the stock 4.4.2 SBF. Will it still brick my phone?
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CM11, CM12, or any ROM based on AOSP, only flash SYSTEM, and do not touch gpt.bin or the critical parts of motoboot.img. So if you go from Moto 4.4.4 -> CM, you still have parts of the Moto 4.4.4 on there... So later if you go CM -> Moto 4.4.2 SBF, you're still at risk of bricking.
And the next question you will likely ask is... "what if I skip those parts"... To that I say... Read items 11, 13, 14, 16, and 17 at -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-warning-risks-downgrading-impacts-t3058202
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I don't have anything I can suggest to SIM unlock the XT1058 for free. Some services online sell SIM unlock codes, that would be the only thing I can suggest.
CM11, CM12, or any ROM based on AOSP, only flash SYSTEM, and do not touch gpt.bin or the critical parts of motoboot.img. So if you go from Moto 4.4.4 -> CM, you still have parts of the Moto 4.4.4 on there... So later if you go CM -> Moto 4.4.2 SBF, you're still at risk of bricking.
And the next question you will likely ask is... "what if I skip those parts"... To that I say... Read items 11, 13, 14, 16, and 17 at -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-warning-risks-downgrading-impacts-t3058202
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Thank you for all your help and advice. I really appreciate it!
@KidJoe
Sir, I went through your blog on cdmaforums and I have a couple of questions.
1. Due to the GPT.BIN issue, will all the nandroid backups I made using TWRP on 4.4.4 become useless after I update to Lollipop in future?
2. If (after its released), I take the Lollipop OTA file, extract it and only flash the system and boot images will I still have the GPT.BIN issues?
Cause technically, I will have the gpt.bin file from 4.4.4 and all my nandroid backups should work just fine, no?
Found another thread where you warned us not to try this.
3. Supposedly while messing about with my phone, I brick it. Can I get it back to normal?
I found a method to do this on your blog, but I was wondering if it could be used to recover from the messed up gpt.bin files?
[I want to try the thing I mentioned in point 2 above so I need to know if I'll be able to recover my phone if something happens.]
4. What is NON-HLOS.BIN? I found this file in a 4.4.4 SBF that I extracted. Didn't flash it - I was moving from ATT 4.4.4 to EU 4.4.4 so I guess it wouldn't have made much of a difference.
5. I have a ATT phone which was carrier locked. Will erasing the modemst partitions re-activate the modem lock?
6. After I've downloaded an OTA via the system update option on my phone, is there anyway to extract that OTA from the /cache partition?
7. I had a stock ATT 4.4.4 ROM from which I switched to the stock EU 4.4.4 ROM (I didn't flash the entire EU SBF because TWRP was giving an error - MD5 sums didn't match - so I extracted the system and boot partitions and flashed those). So now, as I understand, if I get an official 5.1 OTA, all I have to do is flash the stock recovery and install the OTA after which I can re-flash TWRP again. That correct, or am I missing something?
Thank you!
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@KidJoe
Sir, I went through your blog on cdmaforums and I have a couple of questions.
1. Due to the GPT.BIN issue, will all the nandroid backups I made using TWRP on 4.4.4 become useless after I update to Lollipop in future?
2. If (after its released), I take the Lollipop OTA file, extract it and only flash the system and boot images will I still have the GPT.BIN issues?
Cause technically, I will have the gpt.bin file from 4.4.4 and all my nandroid backups should work just fine, no?
Found another thread where you warned us not to try this.
3. Supposedly while messing about with my phone, I brick it. Can I get it back to normal?
I found a method to do this on your blog, but I was wondering if it could be used to recover from the messed up gpt.bin files?
[I want to try the thing I mentioned in point 2 above so I need to know if I'll be able to recover my phone if something happens.]
4. What is NON-HLOS.BIN? I found this file in a 4.4.4 SBF that I extracted. Didn't flash it - I was moving from ATT 4.4.4 to EU 4.4.4 so I guess it wouldn't have made much of a difference.
5. I have a ATT phone which was carrier locked. Will erasing the modemst partitions re-activate the modem lock?
6. After I've downloaded an OTA via the system update option on my phone, is there anyway to extract that OTA from the /cache partition?
7. I had a stock ATT 4.4.4 ROM from which I switched to the stock EU 4.4.4 ROM (I didn't flash the entire EU SBF because TWRP was giving an error - MD5 sums didn't match - so I extracted the system and boot partitions and flashed those). So now, as I understand, if I get an official 5.1 OTA, all I have to do is flash the stock recovery and install the OTA after which I can re-flash TWRP again. That correct, or am I missing something?
Thank you!
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Except for NON-HLOS.BIN, What you are asking is pretty much covered in -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-warning-risks-downgrading-impacts-t3058202
but I'll reply here anyway...
1. You could restore them, BUT once you have a newer ROM installed on the phone, due to the mismatch of GPT.bin and Motoboot.img parts of the phone, you'll likely encounter bugs and potentially some features not working (due to the mismatch between the GPT and Motoboot parts and the rest of your rom, and the mismatch of any other parts of the phone not included in the nandroid back up made with TWRP).
2. Although you scratched and said you found the thread... Again, see my answer to #1.
3. There are varying degrees of "bricking." If you still can access the phone via fastboot, in some cases recovery is as simple as re-flashing the SBF that matches the NEWEST version you had on your phone. Other cases its much harder than that, and still other cases you can't recover at all. We've seen it all.
4. it either IS or IS RELATED TO the MODEM of the phone.
5. I'm sorry, I do not know for sure.
6. After downloading, but before installing, the OTA update ZIP file is stored on the phone in /cacahe folder. You need to be rooted to access this folder. If you are rooted, you can copy this file to /SDcard to then copy it to your PC or elsewhere.
7. First off, TWRP doesn't work with flashing IMG files from inside an SBF so I'm not sure what you were trying there. But anyway... IF you used mfastboot to flash EU's System.IMG and BOOT.IMG to your phone, IF you get notified for an available update, it will be the update for the EU ROM. It will be interesting to see what happens. Due to the mix-matched parts on your phone (system/boot from EU, rest from ATT USA), the pre-flash validation might fail, and the OTA wont install. However, IF enough of your phone matches the EU rom, then the update will install and PATCH files/parts on the phone with the EU version, then you may be stuck on the EU version..
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7. First off, TWRP doesn't work with flashing IMG files from inside an SBF so I'm not sure what you were trying there. But anyway... IF you used mfastboot to flash EU's System.IMG and BOOT.IMG to your phone, IF you get notified for an available update, it will be the update for the EU ROM. It will be interesting to see what happens. Due to the mix-matched parts on your phone (system/boot from EU, rest from ATT USA), the pre-flash validation might fail, and the OTA wont install. However, IF enough of your phone matches the EU rom, then the update will install and PATCH files/parts on the phone with the EU version, then you may be stuck on the EU version..
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I'm sorry, I should have been more clear.
TWRP was giving errors so I opened the zip file on a computer and flashed the system.img and boot.img via the fast boot command.
I had flashed the recovery.img as well, but that got overwritten when I flashed TWRP again. Pretty much all that was left was gpt.bin file, non-hlos.bin, fsg.mbn and motoboot.img.
As I understand it, motoboot.img is the bootloader and gpt.bin is a partition table and both these files will be the same for all 4.4.4 ROMS.
And non-hlos.bin and fsg.mbn are modem files which should also be the almost same for both EU and ATT ROMS. Except maybe having a modem lock or something on the ATT version.
Before I take the OTA, I'll flash the recovery.img from the EU 4.4.4 SBF which I unzipped to prevent clashes.
Do you think the rest of the files would be enough to cause the pre flash validation check to fail?
Could you elaborate on what you mean by 'stuck on the EU version'?
And would you recommend that I take the OTA, provided I get one?
Thank you!
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Hi,
I currently own and HTC One (from Rogers in Canada) that I converted to dev edition so I can get update faster from HTC (Rogers is taking forever to release updates). It works flawlessly after gaining S-OFF.
I'm now looking at getting a Moto-X (again from Rogers) and for the same reason would like to convert it so I can get OTA updates from Motorola instead of Rogers. I know I can unlock the bootloader on a Moto-X if it comes from Rogers but can I fully convert it the same way I did for my HTC.
I did a lot of reading/searching and can't find an answer
Thanks all
I don't know if S-OFF actually stops updates on HTC phones.
Unlocking the bootloader on Motorola phones does not stop OTA updates: if you modify recovery or the system files, it might prevent OTA updates, but just unlocking the bootloader doesn't have any effect on the functionality of the phone.
Unlocking the bootloader gives you the ability to change the phone to the point where it won't accept updates. By itself, though, it doesn't change anything.
binary visions said:
I don't know if S-OFF actually stops updates on HTC phones.
Unlocking the bootloader on Motorola phones does not stop OTA updates: if you modify recovery or the system files, it might prevent OTA updates, but just unlocking the bootloader doesn't have any effect on the functionality of the phone.
Unlocking the bootloader gives you the ability to change the phone to the point where it won't accept updates. By itself, though, it doesn't change anything.
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Thanks for the reply but I was trying to understand if I will be able to received update from Motorola (instead of Rogers). I'm not looking at running custom roms, just want to run latest firmwares ASAP.
Thanks again
IronJoce said:
Thanks for the reply but I was trying to understand if I will be able to received update from Motorola (instead of Rogers). I'm not looking at running custom roms, just want to run latest firmwares ASAP.
Thanks again
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with unlocked bootloader you can always flash the latest releases of firmware, even leaks. There's no need to be dev edition if u already have unlocked bl.
waiflih said:
with unlocked bootloader you can always flash the latest releases of firmware, even leaks. There's no need to be dev edition if u already have unlocked bl.
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I understand that, but since this will be my wife's phone it would be nice if she would be able to get automatic upgrades from Motorola. This is why I want to "convert" it.
Cheers
If you unlock the bootloader you can flash the retail/tmobile full flash on to the Rogers Moto X and you will get the same updates that the GSM developer edition does. You may lose Band 7 LTE(2600 Mhz) but that is unlikely to matter much as you will still get AWS LTE. You will get the same updates direct from Motorola that a developer and tmobile user will get.
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If you unlock the bootloader you can flash the retail/tmobile full flash on to the Rogers Moto X and you will get the same updates that the GSM developer edition does. You may lose Band 7 LTE(2600 Mhz) but that is unlikely to matter much as you will still get AWS LTE. You will get the same updates direct from Motorola that a developer and tmobile user will get.
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Thank you, this is the answer I was after
Cheers
Hi, I got an AT&T XT1058 from ebay. I'm in teh UK so I'd really like to flash it with a stock UK ROM. I've had a look on here and with the huge amount of info I can't figure out if this is possible and which rom to use. it's 4.4.2 that's on the phone at teh moment which i believe can't be downgraded or unlocked easily, is that right?
any help would be greatly appreciated
cheers
To flash any Rom besides the Stock, Signed Moto ROM for your carrier and model X, you need to unlock the bootloader.
While Moto doesn't give out the Bootloader Unlock Code for the ATT USA XT1058, since you have 4.4.2 on it still, you should be able to use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader. (NOTE: please boot into fastboot/bootloader on the phone, and verify the version on the 2nd line is 30.B4 which is correct for 4.4.2).
Once you use sunshine, you can flash 3rd party recoveries, roms, etc.
While I have NOT done it, I've seen posts of ATT US Xt1058 owners flashing with Parts of the XT1053 rom to remove bloat, etc. (flashing the modems will likely change which wireless bands the phone can connect to). I do not advise flashing another carrier's rom. It could get messy, especially around UPDATE time. And I've seen some lose Cellular and WIFI flashing the wrong modem files.
One final thing. The ATT US XT1058 is SIM/Carrier locked too. So in order to use a non-ATT SIM in it you'll need to obtain a SIM unlock code. You should be able to get this from any web site selling unlock codes on the internet.
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To flash any Rom besides the Stock, Signed Moto ROM for your carrier and model X, you need to unlock the bootloader.
While Moto doesn't give out the Bootloader Unlock Code for the ATT USA XT1058, since you have 4.4.2 on it still, you should be able to use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader. (NOTE: please boot into fastboot/bootloader on the phone, and verify the version on the 2nd line is 30.B4 which is correct for 4.4.2).
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hey, thanks for the very helpful response unfortunately i seem to have suffered from a bout of stupidity writing that and it's 4.4.4 that i've got on the phone! how does that affect things? also as an aside the sim is unlocked so i can use any sim so at least that's something...
thanks again
hardflipman said:
hey, thanks for the very helpful response unfortunately i seem to have suffered from a bout of stupidity writing that and it's 4.4.4 that i've got on the phone! how does that affect things? also as an aside the sim is unlocked so i can use any sim so at least that's something...
thanks again
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To unlock the bootloader on the ATT XT1058 Moto X, there are only two possible ways..
The China Middleman thread (in the general section), although he only has codes for certain date range of phones (depends on the Assembly Date of your phone), BUT he has recently stopped responding again. There is no telling if/when it will start up again
Sunshine, which doesn't work with 4.4.4. However you can always try it since it wont charge you if it doesn't work. (i.e. it checks your phone, if it will work, if wont, it tells you and exits without charging you).
4.4.4 can't be temp rooted either.
So you are pretty much stuck stock ATT, and then just get it sim unlocked to use it with your carrier.
KidJoe said:
To unlock the bootloader on the ATT XT1058 Moto X, there are only two possible ways..
The China Middleman thread (in the general section), although he only has codes for certain date range of phones (depends on the Assembly Date of your phone), BUT he has recently stopped responding again. There is no telling if/when it will start up again
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thanks for the reply. I guess i'll give the china middleman a try. I'd really like to get rid of the ATT address book, the fact that it perpetually shows as 4g connection and have the phone speak to me in a not american accent!
cheers
the same here
at&t xt1058 with stock android 4.4.4 (ota updated from 4.4.2)
system version 212.44.26.ghost_att.ATT.en.US
build no KXA21.12-L1.26
been using this phone in Europe, Greece with another carriers SIM card
everything ok, except for the LTE bands (in Greece I need bands 3,7,20) and the AT&T bloatware i wanna remove
would like to root, but i'm not able to unlock via motorola's website
let me know if u had any success via the china middleman, or if u find another way
thanks
hardflipman said:
thanks for the reply. I guess i'll give the china middleman a try.
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cxp7 said:
let me know if u had any success via the china middleman, or if u find another way
thanks
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As I said.. the China Middleman has stopped responding again.
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As I said.. the China Middleman has stopped responding again.
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I'm on Rogers xt1058 (16GB)
Is there any way (assuming I can unlock the BL) to get developer edition ROM?
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I'm on Rogers xt1058 (16GB)
Is there any way (assuming I can unlock the BL) to get developer edition ROM?
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For the Rogers XT1058, Moto does offer the Bootloader Unlock code for free from their web site -> https://motorola-global-portal.cust...e/bootloader/unlock-your-device-a/action/auth it will void your warranty
The GSM Dev Edtion is the XT1053. It has different radio/modem files, its hardware supports different bands (less LTE bands). I never recommend flashing another model's ROM as we have seen loss of cellular in some cases, where even flashing the original firmware back didn't fix.
Once you unlock your bootloader and root, you can remove and freeze any bloat on the phone (freezing is preferred because the next OTA might require it to be there).
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Once you unlock your bootloader and root, you can remove and freeze any bloat on the phone (freezing is preferred because the next OTA might require it to be there).
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Thank you for the reply
I'm on 4.4.4, I understand there's no root for me
MadPriest said:
Thank you for the reply
I'm on 4.4.4, I understand there's no root for me
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Only if you can't unlock your boot loader. But as I said, moto does give out the unlock codes on their web site for the Rogers xt1058
Also, without unlocking the boot loader, you can only flash the rom for your phone model and its carrier branding.
I see
Thank you for the answers
I knew the second part, was not sure about the first one.
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Hi guys,
total n00b question.
A friend of mine brought an AT&T Moto X (1st generation) phone with him for me from the U.S. to Germany.
He bought it from the motorola.com page directly 2 years ago through the Thanksgiving promo, never got it activated and its still stock and everything, never used before.
He paid the full retail price of 400$ at the time, does it however still come with a sim/netlock?
I thought since it didn't come with a contract (where you pay only a few $ and you are bound to a 1y/2y contract) and he paid the full 400$ for it, it doesn't have any sim/net lock?
Sadly I don't have a nano sim card to try it out, before I order one from my carrier I was hoping someone could help me out with this
I know that simlock threads are not allowed, I'm not asking for an unlock, just whether a retail 400$ phone has that lock or not?
Thanks in advance!
If it's stock and on 4.4.2 or below, invest in Sunshine to unlock your bootloader. I'm not sure if AT&T sim-locked their Moto Xs. They should provide the code for free, if necessary, though since the phone was paid in full.
Thanks for the quick reply, already looked into SuneShine for unlocking the BL (its a shame that I didn't pick the T-Mobile version over the AT&T, hmm)
But worth spending another 25$ for it!
Now I'm still curious about the sim/netlock.
From what I found out by googling and reading for hours, if it has a simlock, AT&T will not unlock it cause I've never been a customer and it never was hooked up to an AT&T account, kinda bad if you ask me for a full price cell phone... The T-Mobile version comes 100% sim and BL unlocked...
Moto chat support cant help, they didn't even know that there are different versions of the Moto X 1st Gen...
It's usually less than 20 dollars to unlock them on a website that offers Sim unlocking. Not sure if at&t devices are usually OK to do so, but I would think they are. The carriers usually charge more even... In Canada anyway. ?
OK, thanks a lot!
I'm really just surprised that if you pay the full retail price for a phone it can still be sim/netlocked...
Hope you guys don't mind asking me another few questions, I'm just transiting over from my Razr I so a few things are different
If I don't need a custom recovery but planning on installing a different official Moto firmware which is signed by Moto (would love to flash the EU firmware to have full German language support) do I still need to unlock the BL or will this work with a locked BL since its an official Moto firmware?
Also are there any files I should not flash, therefore remove from the xml?
And I know that the BL unlock has nothing to do with the sim unlock, but any change if I unlock the BL and flash a different firmware, I won't need to enter a sim unlock code then?
I'm just trying to get as many answers before I try it and find out the "hard" way it won't work and that it results in a completely bricked device in the end...
AND sorry, but another question
Are the LTE bands hardware or software coded? Cause we use different bands over here in Europe and I know from the Sony Z1C you can activate all bands software-wise, so I was thinking maybe its the same with the Moto X?
Thanks again!
Hello, I was wondering if I also could install a pure Android on my at&t Moto X 2014?
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mmaslo1124 said:
Hello, I was wondering if I also could install a pure Android on my at&t Moto X 2014?
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Wrong section, This is the 2013 section. And this thread has nothing to do with your question, that's called thread hijacking.
So you should go to the Moto X 2014 section, and if you don't see a thread on the same sort of topic.... Then post your own thread in the Q&A section. ?
So I read an insane number of pages and somewhere I found this great page:
https://www.att.com/deviceunlock/?#/
Long story short, I reveived a nano sim card today, AT&T Moto X is locked, contacted AT&T via the above mentioned website, it took 2 days and today I received my sim unlock code via email from AT&T for free, no account with them needed and it works!
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If I don't need a custom recovery but planning on installing a different official Moto firmware which is signed by Moto (would love to flash the EU firmware to have full German language support) do I still need to unlock the BL or will this work with a locked BL since its an official Moto firmware?
Also are there any files I should not flash, therefore remove from the xml?
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With the bootloader on the ATT XT1058 being locked, you'll only be able to flash Moto Signed Roms for your phone's CID or carrier branding. You will not be able to flash the XT1052 EU rom, or other X roms. Only the ATT XT1058.
If you are lucky and your ATT XT1058 has not yet been upgraded to Android 4.4.4 and bootoader 30.B7, you should be able to use JCase's Sunshine tool to unlock the bootloader. Note: Because this is a HACK, do NOT try to re-lock the bootloader after using it, or you will be permanently bootloader locked.
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And I know that the BL unlock has nothing to do with the sim unlock, but any change if I unlock the BL and flash a different firmware, I won't need to enter a sim unlock code then?
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I don't believe flashing a different ROM would give you SIM unlock.
You're only option is getting it from the Carrier if you meet their terms/conditions. Or buying a SIM unlock code from an online seller.
dagoban said:
AND sorry, but another question
Are the LTE bands hardware or software coded? Cause we use different bands over here in Europe and I know from the Sony Z1C you can activate all bands software-wise, so I was thinking maybe its the same with the Moto X?
Thanks again!
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I've read different things. So I can't say for sure which is correct.
I know that the Verizon X, XT1060, initially game supporting only LTE Band 13. Band 4 was later enabled by firmware update.
But I've also seen posts of some losing their entire cellular radio when flashing other model's full roms, and not getting it back by flashing the correct rom. (I don't recall the full details, sorry!).
On other phones, I've seen things like "edits" to turn on other bands. But no so for the 2013 X.
So I wouldn't mess with it.
Thanks for the explanations @KidJoe
Until know I didn't know that a signed Moto firmware is not just bound to the model but also to a CID, always thought you could flash any region firmware over the phone as long as its the same model.
Sunshine is def. an option, I didn't take the OTA (even thou it reminds me at least once a day cause I suspected already there would be more exploits available with a lower android OS.
SIM unlock is no problem anymore, AT&T provided me the unlock key via website request (took me a while to find that link, thou) and you don't need to have an account with them and the phone does NOT need to be hooked to an AT&T contract.
About the LTE bands:
OK, I don't want to mess with the modem / radio and lose all bands in the end but could I just flash the system files from the EU version via fastboot?
Which files should I flash and which files should I avoid flashing?
Basicially what I'm trying to achieve is getting German as android language and not just have German as keyboard language.
Or is German included in the CM11 as well cause then I imagine it would be much easier to just flash CM11 without damaging any bands...
All in all, I'm just looking for a fully stable KK OS that is in German
Thanks again for your replies!
dagoban said:
About the LTE bands:
OK, I don't want to mess with the modem / radio and lose all bands in the end but could I just flash the system files from the EU version via fastboot?
Which files should I flash and which files should I avoid flashing?
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You could try using mFastboot and flash only System.img... BUT!!!! Its going to cause issues with OTA updates, and having mismatched parts always increases the risks for bricking and/or things just not working correctly!! So I usually don't recommend mixing things up.
dagoban said:
Basicially what I'm trying to achieve is getting German as android language and not just have German as keyboard language.
Or is German included in the CM11 as well cause then I imagine it would be much easier to just flash CM11 without damaging any bands...
All in all, I'm just looking for a fully stable KK OS that is in German
Thanks again for your replies!
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I've not messed with adding additional languages. Nor have I used CM as I like my Moto features too much, and stock (rooted) runs just fine here.
I have Moto X (2013), I want to know why my phone is still on 4.4.2 KitKat and not getting any newer updates? Others running 4.4.4 KitKat and about to get Android L, what's wrong with my phone? I have tried resetting my phone couple of times and tried Motorola Device Manager too but no luck. I don't know whether I have XT1049 or XT1058 because I got this phone from a friend, he just gave it away and I am not living in a country where I can get Motorola Support. I thought I had XT1049, I contacted Republic Wireless, they checked my IMEI number and told me that it's not their phone, I contacted Motorola's online support they told me by looking at the IMEI number it's XT1058 AT&T phone but when I connect my phone to my computer it says "XT1049 is connected to the computer" and in pictures "details" I can see that the picture is taken by XT1049, I am so confused. Kindly help, I want updates coming to my phone
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I have Moto X (2013), IMEI # 990002933335380, I want to know why my phone is still on 4.4.2 KitKat and not getting any newer updates? Others running 4.4.4 KitKat and about to get Android L, what's wrong with my phone? I have tried resetting my phone couple of times and tried Motorola Device Manager too but no luck. I don't know whether I have XT1049 or XT1058 because I got this phone from a friend, he just gave it away and I am not living in a country where I can get Motorola Support. I thought I had XT1049, I contacted Republic Wireless, they checked my IMEI number and told me that it's not their phone, I contacted Motorola's online support they told me by looking at the IMEI number it's XT1058 AT&T phone but when I connect my phone to my computer it says "XT1049 is connected to the computer" and in pictures "details" I can see that the picture is taken by XT1049, I am so confused. Kindly help, I want updates coming to my phone
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Your device belongs with ACG Regional Carriers. It is currently at 4.4.2 only. You can see your model in the lower area of your back panel..
Check out moto site for your device. Your "System Version" in the screen shot is "161.44.38.ghost_row.ACGLTE.en.US". Check out...
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/prod_answer_detail/a_id/94927/p/30,6720,8696
lol u are lucky because we AT&T users updated to 4.4.4 and now stucked :::: cant root or unlock bootloader and sunshine is only working till 4.4.2 so be happy and unlock it root it and enjoy any custom rom
Thanks for the help
Now I know that I have "ACG Regional Services" phone, any idea about me getting updates in future or is there another easy option to get the 4.4.4 or 5.0.2 update?
Javajohn said:
lol u are lucky because we AT&T users updated to 4.4.4 and now stucked :::: cant root or unlock bootloader and sunshine is only working till 4.4.2 so be happy and unlock it root it and enjoy any custom rom
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I really don't have any idea how to unlock and root or use any custom rom, I am afraid I will break my phone if I try, suggest anything else or tell me how to do it in an easiest way
Dee Singh said:
I really don't have any idea how to unlock and root or use any custom rom, I am afraid I will break my phone if I try, suggest anything else or tell me how to do it in an easiest way
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here is the best thread for you to start
CLICK ME
Unlock your bootloader first theroot.ninja , rooting after that is easy, so is anything else you want to do with your phone.
Dee Singh said:
Now I know that I have "ACG Regional Services" phone, any idea about me getting updates in future or is there another easy option to get the 4.4.4 or 5.0.2 update?
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OTA updates are really up to your carrier and/or Motorola. You will seen no updates, until THEY make them available.
When the bootloader is locked, you can only flash official roms (or parts like recovery) for your model/carrier, which are digitally signed by Motorola. Attempts to flash anything else, will fail.
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I really don't have any idea how to unlock and root or use any custom rom, I am afraid I will break my phone if I try, suggest anything else or tell me how to do it in an easiest way
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As for unlocking the bootloader, and/or rooting.. see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...w-root-moto-x-confusion-t2826159/post54671918
Why would you want to unlocked the bootload? So you could flash either a totally custom rom, or a rom meant for another carrier/model 2013 X which might be newer. (like some ATT XT1058 users like to flash Rogers XT1058 rom to get rid of the ATT bloat).
I really know nothing about the "ACG Regional Carriers" variant of the Moto X. I'm not sure if it might be the same hardware as another variant, only with a different ROM flashed on it. So I don't know if its safe to flash another carrier's ROM on it. But with an unlocked bootloader, you can try 3rd party roms like CM11 or CM12.
Unlock the BL and flash custom ROMs
You may want to edit your post and remove your imei number. It can be hijacked and leave you with a non functioning device. (no calls or texts or data anyway.)
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Hi guys,
I have a MotoX 2013 XT1060 Verizon Developer Edition. I'm planning to flash a XT1053 4.4.4 Retail T-mobile image with RSD Lite.
Is this going to work? Is this a dumb thing to do?
Thanks
Well, if you flash the T-Mobile radios, you'll likely lose CDMA support and LTE band 12 support.
Not to mention the differences in teh build.prop that also might cause issues since they wont have the parts needed for Verizon's CDMA support.
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Well, if you flash the T-Mobile radios, you'll likely lose CDMA support and LTE band 12 support.
Not to mention the differences in teh build.prop that also might cause issues since they wont have the parts needed for Verizon's CDMA support.
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You sure ? I think if you flash full fw from different variant, You'll bricked. I ve never tried this before
md07 said:
You sure ? I think if you flash full fw from different variant, You'll bricked. I ve never tried this before
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Yes, there is a chance you will brick when flashing the full SBF from another variant. We have seen other variants, like XT1052, be successful.
If I recall correctly, back in the day, there were some who did flash XT1060's will all but the modem files from an XT1053 (due to leaked update files, EARLY on in the X's life cycle) but I can't remember the details. I just know it didn't brick.
Either way, I think saying as I did, that flashing a Verizon phone with a firmware for another variant resulting in the inability to use it on Verizon's network, would be reason enough not to do it.
Then again, What I didn't think about was someone who wanted to use that XT1060 on a GSM carrier's network, and wanted to flash the XT1053 rom because its "bloat free".... So yeah, a warning in there that it could brick would be warranted...
Also, I have some statements in -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-warning-risks-downgrading-impacts-t3058202 like 9, 10 and 12... advising against "cross flashing" like this.
Solved it
Nevermind guys,
I flashed a XT1053 TMO Retail image with RSD Lite. My XT1060 is now XT1053, I got rid of all bloatware and all carrier logos. Everything is just perfect.
Also, I wanted to do this because I live in Europe and Verizon is nothing here. I also wanted to do this because I get updates sonner.
I have the opposite question...
I have a rooted XT1053 on Lycamobile/T-Mobile. I'd like to switch to Verizon for my service.
Do I read this correctly that I could flash an XT1060 ROM over my XT1053 and have an XT1060. Is the hardware the same?
Thanks,
Mark
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Yes, there is a chance you will brick when flashing the full SBF from another variant. We have seen other variants, like XT1052, be successful.
If I recall correctly, back in the day, there were some who did flash XT1060's will all but the modem files from an XT1053 (due to leaked update files, EARLY on in the X's life cycle) but I can't remember the details. I just know it didn't brick.
Either way, I think saying as I did, that flashing a Verizon phone with a firmware for another variant resulting in the inability to use it on Verizon's network, would be reason enough not to do it.
Then again, What I didn't think about was someone who wanted to use that XT1060 on a GSM carrier's network, and wanted to flash the XT1053 rom because its "bloat free".... So yeah, a warning in there that it could brick would be warranted...
Also, I have some statements in -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-warning-risks-downgrading-impacts-t3058202 like 9, 10 and 12... advising against "cross flashing" like this.
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so, can you guide me How to flash XT1053 firmware for my XT1056 (Moto X Sprint). I dont use CDMA network, after flash success, my phone is convered to XT1053, and only use GSM network?
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so, can you guide me How to flash XT1053 firmware for my XT1056 (Moto X Sprint). I dont use CDMA network, after flash success, my phone is convered to XT1053, and only use GSM network?
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Sorry I will not, because there are risks of bricking when cross flashing like that. And I don't want to be responsible if something goes wrong.