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New Moto X owner, have some starter questions.

Hello everybody, I just got my Moto X and I have to say it is a lovely device better than I expected in terms of how it feels in the hand. Really compact device.
I have some questions:
1. My phone has 4.4.2 but OTA fails to update it to 4.4.3. Is there any software that I can use to update the phone?
2. Is there a flashtool software where I can flash different .ftf fies?
3. Root option for 4.4.3 available?

1. There are a few threads discussing the 4.4.3 OTA, and what condition your phone must be in to receive/install the OTA. For example -> [XT1053] 4.4.3 OTA Update Zip and Android™ 4.4.3, KitKat® Rolls Out to Moto Devices I'm sure if you READ it, you'll find information that will solve your issue. Or if you post details of your phone, carrier, any tweaks you've made to it, etc...
2. I do not believe so.
3. If you have an unlocked bootloader, you *can* Root 4.4.3. If you have a LOCKED bootloader, you *can not* root 4.4.3.

asilviug said:
Hello everybody, I just got my Moto X and I have to say it is a lovely device better than I expected in terms of how it feels in the hand. Really compact device.
I have some questions:
1. My phone has 4.4.2 but OTA fails to update it to 4.4.3. Is there any software that I can use to update the phone?
2. Is there a flashtool software where I can flash different .ftf fies?
3. Root option for 4.4.3 available?
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Locked or unlocked bootloader? What carrier?
I have an unlocked Dev Ed Moto X running TMobile, and it accepted the 4.4.3 OTA update. I first had to revert entirely to stock 4.4.2, though.

varxx said:
Locked or unlocked bootloader? What carrier?
I have an unlocked Dev Ed Moto X running TMobile, and it accepted the 4.4.3 OTA update. I first had to revert entirely to stock 4.4.2, though.
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My phone is branded with an AT&T logo on the back. Model number is xt1058 and I'm running stock 4.4.2
I don't know about the bootloader though, how can I verify that?
I would really like to update this to 4.4.3 and root it, although it's not that easy I see.
Any help would be highly appreciated. I'm even considering throwing in a bounty

asilviug said:
My phone is branded with an AT&T logo on the back. Model number is xt1058 and I'm running stock 4.4.2
I don't know about the bootloader though, how can I verify that?
I would really like to update this to 4.4.3 and root it, although it's not that easy I see.
Any help would be highly appreciated. I'm even considering throwing in a bounty
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Ok... here we go...
4.4.3 is not out for the ATT XT1058 yet, so you can't update to it. You need to wait for ATT to start making it available.
ATT XT1058 has a locked bootloader, and Moto doesn't give out the bootloader unlock codes. Your only option to unlock the bootloader is *IF* (or maybe when) the Chinese WebSite/MiddelMan comes back to selling bootloader unlock codes. See -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/china-middleman-t2751177
There is no option to root 4.4.3 when you have a locked bootloader.
If you want usable root on the X you need two parts 1. Root Exploit, and 2. An Exploit that allows for disabling Write Protection. There is now a Root Exploit for 4.4.2 with a locked bootloader, but there is not an exploit to disable write protection. This means if you'd root, then anytime you power your phone off/on, the changes, root, etc is lost. And Root style apps that need to write to /system and the like, CANT.
there is no root option for 4.4.3 with a locked bootloader
For more details see -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Locked.html

KidJoe said:
Ok... here we go...
4.4.3 is not out for the ATT XT1058 yet, so you can't update to it. You need to wait for ATT to start making it available.
ATT XT1058 has a locked bootloader, and Moto doesn't give out the bootloader unlock codes. Your only option to unlock the bootloader is *IF* (or maybe when) the Chinese WebSite/MiddelMan comes back to selling bootloader unlock codes. See -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/china-middleman-t2751177
There is no option to root 4.4.3 when you have a locked bootloader.
If you want usable root on the X you need two parts 1. Root Exploit, and 2. An Exploit that allows for disabling Write Protection. There is now a Root Exploit for 4.4.2 with a locked bootloader, but there is not an exploit to disable write protection. This means if you'd root, then anytime you power your phone off/on, the changes, root, etc is lost. And Root style apps that need to write to /system and the like, CANT.
there is no root option for 4.4.3 with a locked bootloader
For more details see -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Locked.html
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Thanks for the info fist of all. Not very good news but it is what it is.
I took a look at that link and apparently the newer models of Moto X are most likely to get an unlock code. My phone is from 2013 most probably but I don't know how to find out exactly. Can you advise on this matter as getting a code from that asian dude seems the next step for me.

asilviug said:
Thanks for the info fist of all. Not very good news but it is what it is.
I took a look at that link and apparently the newer models of Moto X are most likely to get an unlock code. My phone is from 2013 most probably but I don't know how to find out exactly. Can you advise on this matter as getting a code from that asian dude seems the next step for me.
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There are several ways to find out your date code.. The easiest is to boot the phone in bootloader/fastboot mode, and select the option for Bar Codes. The date displayed there is the build date.

KidJoe said:
There are several ways to find out your date code.. The easiest is to boot the phone in bootloader/fastboot mode, and select the option for Bar Codes. The date displayed there is the build date.
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Thanks, it appears that my phone is from August 2013. I will try to get a code. Before I do that just want to double check it with you.
Once I get the unlock code, I can root 4.4.2 that I'm currently running and also future updates released by AT&T/Motorola in the near future including the 4.4.3?

asilviug said:
Thanks, it appears that my phone is from August 2013. I will try to get a code. Before I do that just want to double check it with you.
Once I get the unlock code, I can root 4.4.2 that I'm currently running and also future updates released by AT&T/Motorola in the near future including the 4.4.3?
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Correct. Once you unlock your bootloader (which is DESTRUCTIVE, so BACKUP EVERYTHING To Your PC, or Cloud, before you do the process), you will be able to root any android version by flashing a 3rd party recovery (like TWRP), booting to the 3rd party recovery and installing SuperSU.
For more info, see -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Unlock1.htm

KidJoe said:
Correct. Once you unlock your bootloader (which is DESTRUCTIVE, so BACKUP EVERYTHING To Your PC, or Cloud, before you do the process), you will be able to root any android version by flashing a 3rd party recovery (like TWRP), booting to the 3rd party recovery and installing SuperSU.
For more info, see -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Unlock1.htm
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Unfortunately the Chinese middle man couldn't help me with the unlock code. What about contacting AT&T regarding the unlock code? Do you think it's possible asking them politely?

asilviug said:
Unfortunately the Chinese middle man couldn't help me with the unlock code. What about contacting AT&T regarding the unlock code? Do you think it's possible to ask them politely?
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Zero chance. Sorry.
I mean...it's certainly possible to ask them politely, but they still won't give it to you....guaranteed.
I'm guessing you have a 2013 variant since the middleman couldn't help you?

samwathegreat said:
Zero chance. Sorry.
I mean...it's certainly possible to ask them politely, but they still won't give it to you....guaranteed.
I'm guessing you have a 2013 variant since the middleman couldn't help you?
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Yes, a late 2013 model. He said that the database could become available again in the future...
If I want to contact AT&T, what would be the best way? Phone/email? I'm not an US citizen nor living in US.

asilviug said:
Yes, a late 2013 model. He said that the database could become available again in the future...
If I want to contact AT&T, what would be the best way? Phone/email? I'm not an US citizen nor living in US.
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I'm not an AT&T customer, so I can't advise on contact info, but I can tell you that you will be wasting your time if you even try. The chance that they will give you the code is exactly 0% no matter how nicely you ask them.
You might consider selling your AT&T XT1058 and buying one that can be unlocked, such as the XT1053, or the XT1058 Roger's variant if unlocking the BL is that important to you.
Good Luck

asilviug said:
Unfortunately the Chinese middle man couldn't help me with the unlock code. What about contacting AT&T regarding the unlock code? Do you think it's possible asking them politely?
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asilviug said:
Yes, a late 2013 model. He said that the database could become available again in the future...
If I want to contact AT&T, what would be the best way? Phone/email? I'm not an US citizen nor living in US.
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You have zero chance getting a boot loader unlock code from Att or Moto.
And If you are not living in the USA, then you are likely not an ATT customer, so they won't even talk to you.

[Q] Moto X AT&T stock version, does it come with a lock?

Hi guys,
total n00b question.
A friend of mine brought an AT&T Moto X (1st generation) phone with him for me from the U.S. to Germany.
He bought it from the motorola.com page directly 2 years ago through the Thanksgiving promo, never got it activated and its still stock and everything, never used before.
He paid the full retail price of 400$ at the time, does it however still come with a sim/netlock?
I thought since it didn't come with a contract (where you pay only a few $ and you are bound to a 1y/2y contract) and he paid the full 400$ for it, it doesn't have any sim/net lock?
Sadly I don't have a nano sim card to try it out, before I order one from my carrier I was hoping someone could help me out with this
I know that simlock threads are not allowed, I'm not asking for an unlock, just whether a retail 400$ phone has that lock or not?
Thanks in advance!

If it's stock and on 4.4.2 or below, invest in Sunshine to unlock your bootloader. I'm not sure if AT&T sim-locked their Moto Xs. They should provide the code for free, if necessary, though since the phone was paid in full.

Thanks for the quick reply, already looked into SuneShine for unlocking the BL (its a shame that I didn't pick the T-Mobile version over the AT&T, hmm)
But worth spending another 25$ for it!
Now I'm still curious about the sim/netlock.
From what I found out by googling and reading for hours, if it has a simlock, AT&T will not unlock it cause I've never been a customer and it never was hooked up to an AT&T account, kinda bad if you ask me for a full price cell phone... The T-Mobile version comes 100% sim and BL unlocked...
Moto chat support cant help, they didn't even know that there are different versions of the Moto X 1st Gen...

It's usually less than 20 dollars to unlock them on a website that offers Sim unlocking. Not sure if at&t devices are usually OK to do so, but I would think they are. The carriers usually charge more even... In Canada anyway. ?

OK, thanks a lot!
I'm really just surprised that if you pay the full retail price for a phone it can still be sim/netlocked...
Hope you guys don't mind asking me another few questions, I'm just transiting over from my Razr I so a few things are different
If I don't need a custom recovery but planning on installing a different official Moto firmware which is signed by Moto (would love to flash the EU firmware to have full German language support) do I still need to unlock the BL or will this work with a locked BL since its an official Moto firmware?
Also are there any files I should not flash, therefore remove from the xml?
And I know that the BL unlock has nothing to do with the sim unlock, but any change if I unlock the BL and flash a different firmware, I won't need to enter a sim unlock code then?
I'm just trying to get as many answers before I try it and find out the "hard" way it won't work and that it results in a completely bricked device in the end...
AND sorry, but another question
Are the LTE bands hardware or software coded? Cause we use different bands over here in Europe and I know from the Sony Z1C you can activate all bands software-wise, so I was thinking maybe its the same with the Moto X?
Thanks again!

Hello, I was wondering if I also could install a pure Android on my at&t Moto X 2014?
Sent from my XT1097 using XDA Free mobile app

mmaslo1124 said:
Hello, I was wondering if I also could install a pure Android on my at&t Moto X 2014?
Sent from my XT1097 using XDA Free mobile app
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Wrong section, This is the 2013 section. And this thread has nothing to do with your question, that's called thread hijacking.
So you should go to the Moto X 2014 section, and if you don't see a thread on the same sort of topic.... Then post your own thread in the Q&A section. ?

So I read an insane number of pages and somewhere I found this great page:
https://www.att.com/deviceunlock/?#/
Long story short, I reveived a nano sim card today, AT&T Moto X is locked, contacted AT&T via the above mentioned website, it took 2 days and today I received my sim unlock code via email from AT&T for free, no account with them needed and it works!

dagoban said:
If I don't need a custom recovery but planning on installing a different official Moto firmware which is signed by Moto (would love to flash the EU firmware to have full German language support) do I still need to unlock the BL or will this work with a locked BL since its an official Moto firmware?
Also are there any files I should not flash, therefore remove from the xml?
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With the bootloader on the ATT XT1058 being locked, you'll only be able to flash Moto Signed Roms for your phone's CID or carrier branding. You will not be able to flash the XT1052 EU rom, or other X roms. Only the ATT XT1058.
If you are lucky and your ATT XT1058 has not yet been upgraded to Android 4.4.4 and bootoader 30.B7, you should be able to use JCase's Sunshine tool to unlock the bootloader. Note: Because this is a HACK, do NOT try to re-lock the bootloader after using it, or you will be permanently bootloader locked.
dagoban said:
And I know that the BL unlock has nothing to do with the sim unlock, but any change if I unlock the BL and flash a different firmware, I won't need to enter a sim unlock code then?
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I don't believe flashing a different ROM would give you SIM unlock.
You're only option is getting it from the Carrier if you meet their terms/conditions. Or buying a SIM unlock code from an online seller.
dagoban said:
AND sorry, but another question
Are the LTE bands hardware or software coded? Cause we use different bands over here in Europe and I know from the Sony Z1C you can activate all bands software-wise, so I was thinking maybe its the same with the Moto X?
Thanks again!
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I've read different things. So I can't say for sure which is correct.
I know that the Verizon X, XT1060, initially game supporting only LTE Band 13. Band 4 was later enabled by firmware update.
But I've also seen posts of some losing their entire cellular radio when flashing other model's full roms, and not getting it back by flashing the correct rom. (I don't recall the full details, sorry!).
On other phones, I've seen things like "edits" to turn on other bands. But no so for the 2013 X.
So I wouldn't mess with it.

Thanks for the explanations @KidJoe
Until know I didn't know that a signed Moto firmware is not just bound to the model but also to a CID, always thought you could flash any region firmware over the phone as long as its the same model.
Sunshine is def. an option, I didn't take the OTA (even thou it reminds me at least once a day cause I suspected already there would be more exploits available with a lower android OS.
SIM unlock is no problem anymore, AT&T provided me the unlock key via website request (took me a while to find that link, thou) and you don't need to have an account with them and the phone does NOT need to be hooked to an AT&T contract.
About the LTE bands:
OK, I don't want to mess with the modem / radio and lose all bands in the end but could I just flash the system files from the EU version via fastboot?
Which files should I flash and which files should I avoid flashing?
Basicially what I'm trying to achieve is getting German as android language and not just have German as keyboard language.
Or is German included in the CM11 as well cause then I imagine it would be much easier to just flash CM11 without damaging any bands...
All in all, I'm just looking for a fully stable KK OS that is in German
Thanks again for your replies!

dagoban said:
About the LTE bands:
OK, I don't want to mess with the modem / radio and lose all bands in the end but could I just flash the system files from the EU version via fastboot?
Which files should I flash and which files should I avoid flashing?
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You could try using mFastboot and flash only System.img... BUT!!!! Its going to cause issues with OTA updates, and having mismatched parts always increases the risks for bricking and/or things just not working correctly!! So I usually don't recommend mixing things up.
dagoban said:
Basicially what I'm trying to achieve is getting German as android language and not just have German as keyboard language.
Or is German included in the CM11 as well cause then I imagine it would be much easier to just flash CM11 without damaging any bands...
All in all, I'm just looking for a fully stable KK OS that is in German
Thanks again for your replies!
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I've not messed with adding additional languages. Nor have I used CM as I like my Moto features too much, and stock (rooted) runs just fine here.

Can't unlock Boot loader & can't root motoX xt1053

I have a moto x xt1053 that i can't open the Boot loader on Motorola web page, coz is not allowed for my device as Motorola support said to me, coz is not a dev edition.
I want to install CM11 or later, it is possible without opening the Boot loader?
TIA

What is your current android version? Have you looked at unlocking via sunshine?

Travisdroidx2 said:
What is your current android version? Have you looked at unlocking via sunshine?
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Im on 4.4.4, i tried sunshine, and wrote with the supporter of sunshine and they told me they cant unlock it...

Sucks man sounds like you are screwed.

What carrier was it originally associated with? The XT1053 was used for T-Mobile in the US and was unlockable. I believe XT1053 was also used for the Dev Edition for AT&T in the US, while their retail edition was XT1058.
My friend has an XT1053 for T-Mobile that was not a developer edition, it was customized with Moto Maker and I unlocked it for him from the Motorola website.
Are you sure you have an XT1053?

Thats the same phone like your friend. My friend bought it online on the moto maker home page.
Well my friend tried many times but without success...
Can you give me some advice... @fury683 TIA

iSplassh said:
Thats the same phone like your friend. My friend bought it online on the moto maker home page.
Well my friend tried many times but without success...
Can you give me some advice... @fury683 TIA
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If it's Tmobile, keep trying the Moto unlock site. It is very glitch send can take many tries. ?

iSplassh said:
I have a moto x xt1053 that i can't open the Boot loader on Motorola web page, coz is not allowed for my device as Motorola support said to me, coz is not a dev edition.
I want to install CM11 or later, it is possible without opening the Boot loader?
TIA
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The non-Developer Edition XT1053 was also bootloader Unlockable via Moto's web site but it voids the warranty.
If your XT1053 is the "GSM Unlocked (ships with T-Mobile SIM)" or "GSM unlocked (ships with Net 10 SIM)" it should still be bootloader unlockable via Moto's web site.
A few things...
Try a different browser. If you are using Chome, try IE instead, or vice versa.
Take the output from the get_unlock_data command, and paste it into NOTEPAD (if you use windows) on your PC... Turn Word Wrap OFF. Edit out the spaces and any carriage returns so the string is one single line, and then copy the edited string to the clip board to paste into the web site.
If the phone is less than a week old, keep trying. There have been issues/delays with the codes being available on the Moto web site.
Try signing into the Moto site using the original email address used to purchase the phone (i.e. your friend purchased, then have your friend use his/her email to try requesting the code)
Call Moto's support. If they refuse to help, or tell you that you can't unlock your bootloader, point them to -> https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215 which says the T-Mobile X (XT1053) CAN be bootloader unlocked (but voids the warranty).
Take a look at this thread in the Peer to Peer Moto Owners forum -> https://forums.motorola.com/posts/f2061da875

Thanks for your time.
I checked the peer to peer forum but my CID is different, its not on the list. Mine is 0x09.
I already contacted 2 different moto customer support, i gave them the IMEI code and they told me its not unlockable, because its not dev edition. The also said the unlockable boot loader program is only for dev edition.
Xda was my last hope because the official way didn't brought me anyway further.
Sorry for my bad english, and hope you guys have still some tips for me

iSplassh said:
Thanks for your time.
I checked the peer to peer forum but my CID is different, its not on the list. Mine is 0x09.
I already contacted 2 different moto customer support, i gave them the IMEI code and they told me its not unlockable, because its not dev edition. The also said the unlockable boot loader program is only for dev edition.
Xda was my last hope because the official way didn't brought me anyway further.
Sorry for my bad english, and hope you guys have still some tips for me
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0x0009 is on the list in the Owners forum (0x0009 = 0x09) as being UNLOCKABLE (is in the list on the left). The list on the left says "Your device is unlockable if the CID value returned is" and 0x09 is under that headding.
ANd the reps told you WRONG. Their web site lists Rogers Canada, they use the XT1058. For USA it lists Sprint (which is XT1056), USC (is XT1055 i think), and TMO (is definitely XT1053 but not considered Dev Edition).
There are only TWO Developer Editions... GSM and "for Verizon". Verizon is an XT1060. There is NO Dev Edition for Sprint, USC, Rogers Canada, or Latin America, yet those are listed on -> https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215 as being UNLOCKABLE.
Please follow the instructions on the Moto Owners Forum. Do the steps and post the info. See what they say.

Finally we unlocked it. It took us some time chatting with moto supporters till 2AM in the morning but we did it.
Thanks a lot guys

iSplassh said:
Finally we unlocked it. It took us some time chatting with moto supporters till 2AM in the morning but we did it.
Thanks a lot guys
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Awesome. Glad to hear it!

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Awesome. Glad to hear it!
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Sorry to bother you again but do you have any tips on how to root it now. The phone its on 4.4.4. Can i just use CF-Autoroot or do i have to downgrade to 4.4.2? I have read that downgrading brings to Precam brick...
What do you recomand me?
TIA

1. Download the latest SuperSU.zip onto the phone or computer
2. download a recovery onto a computer
3. Flash the recovery in bootloader using fastboot
4. Boot into recovery using the Vol+ button to select option
5. If SuperSU.zip was downloaded to computer, use adb to push the zip file to /sdcard flash SuperSu.zip. If not, skip to step 6.
6. Flash SuperSU.zip in recovery
7. Reboot into system
Remember what having an unlocked bootloader allows you to do, this process isn't much different from any other device with an unlocked bootloader. Why would you do anything other than the steps I listed above with an unlocked bootloader? Read up on what downgrading can and will do to our phone.

iSplassh said:
Sorry to bother you again but do you have any tips on how to root it now. The phone its on 4.4.4. Can i just use CF-Autoroot or do i have to downgrade to 4.4.2? I have read that downgrading brings to Precam brick...
What do you recomand me?
TIA
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You have to keep in mind there are some old threads for those with LOCKED bootloaders who want to root which will not apply to you. Some of those OLDER processes recomend downgrading, BUT that was only safe during the SlapMyMoto process (downgrading from 4.4 to 4.2.2 w/camera due to NOT CHANGE in the bootloader and gpt.bin). Once 4.4.2, 4.4.3 or 4.4.4 is on your phone, DOWNGRADING IS NOT SAFE!!! AND NOT RECOMMENDED!!!! due to the high rate of bricks it has caused.
After unlocking your bootloader, the best way to root is to see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...-unlocking-t2649738/post54796193#post54796193

Thanks for the info this helped me out!

[Q] Moto X 2013 Network questions

I'm about to buy a used Moto X XT1060 in a couple of days. I understand thats the Verizon variant of the phone.
I wanted to make sure that this phone will work fine on GSM and 3G networks in my country. My country uses 850/1800 for GSM, 2100 for 3G and 1800 (Band 3) for LTE. I know that LTE wont work cause this device doesnt have band 3 but Im quite happy with 3G.
Can you guys please confirm that 3G will work fine on this phone? Ive found some threads here on XDA from people who are having issues using 3G data on this phone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X_(1st_generation)#Variants
XT1060
CDMA Bands: 850/1900
GSM Bands: Quad
UMTS Bands: 850/900/1900/2100
LTE Bands: 4/13
All variants support four 2G GSM bands 850/900/1800/1900.
The XT1050 is a regional device for smaller carriers but uses identical bands.

The Verizon XT1060 is CDMA/GSM variant that is SIM unlocked out of the box. To use the XT1060 on a GSM carrier, you need to force its radio to GSM and the Verizon firmware will always tell you its a "non-verizon sim" inserted in the phone.
It supports the following frequencies..
CDMA = 800/1900
GSM/GPRS/Edge (aka 2G/2.5G) = 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
UMTS/HSPA (aka 3G) = 850/900/1900/2100 Mhz
HSPA+ (aka 4G) = 850/900/1900/2100 Mhz
4G LTE = Band 4 and 13.
When using on GSM carriers, it will get the fastest connection based on what the phone supports vs what the carrier uses.
To be honest, If you want to use it on a GSM carrier, you're better off getting the XT1053, or other GSM unlocked X. And.. take a look at this thread... http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/xt1053-xt1060-developer-edition-t3057585

Hey guys! Thanks for the help @fury683 and especially @KidJoe
Fortunately, I'm very well versed with the frequencies supported by the phone.
And my first choice would be to try and get a XT1052 - the international variant.
Unfortunately, in my city, the only variant available is the XT1060 and the too the retail version.
All I wanted to confirm was whether the Verizon Firmware will give me any problems like not detecting my sim or not connecting to 3G networks (local networks use 2100 for both HSPA & HSPA+ so theoretically it shouldn't have any problems).
Also, can I root it? There's a 90% chance that it'll be running 4.2.2 so I've heard there's the Sunshine unlocking method or something which can help me unlock the bootloader (unless the previous owner already did it; in which case it'll be a blessing!)
And is there anyway I can confirm if the phone is refurbished (whether it has been opened at any point in its life)?

usmanshahid said:
Hey guys! Thanks for the help @fury683 and especially @KidJoe
Fortunately, I'm very well versed with the frequencies supported by the phone.
And my first choice would be to try and get a XT1052 - the international variant.
Unfortunately, in my city, the only variant available is the XT1060 and the too the retail version.
All I wanted to confirm was whether the Verizon Firmware will give me any problems like not detecting my sim or not connecting to 3G networks (local networks use 2100 for both HSPA & HSPA+ so theoretically it shouldn't have any problems).
Also, can I root it? There's a 90% chance that it'll be running 4.2.2 so I've heard there's the Sunshine unlocking method or something which can help me unlock the bootloader (unless the previous owner already did it; in which case it'll be a blessing!)
And is there anyway I can confirm if the phone is refurbished (whether it has been opened at any point in its life)?
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The XT1060 will work on GSM for carriers supporting/using the "standard 4" (850/900/1900/2100 MHz). You MIGHT have to manually enter your APN settings.
As for rooting, If the phone has 4.4.2 or lower, and has NEVER had 4.4.4 on it, you can use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader, then root. IF you receive the phone and it has 4.4.4 on it, you will not be able to unlock the bootloader. And there is no root method for 4.4.4 with a locked bootloader.

I found this beautiful AT&T Moto X today. And before I finalize the deal in a day or two, I want to run a few things by you guys;
1. The phone is running '165.44.1.ghost_att.ATT.en.US' - which is 4.4.2, right?
The bootloader is locked with a Status '0'. So I guess rooting is out of the question, right?
2. When I opened the phone in fastboot, it showed the following bootloader info;
30.B4 (sha-a542ee0)
What does that mean, exactly?
3. Under the 'Kernel Version', it showed some numbers and this;
[email protected]#1
a date stamp
^What does this mean?
I had the phone in my hand for about a good twenty minutes. It was in a very good condition. Had the AT&T logo and a tiny "assembled in USA" stamp on the back. It had a couple of AT&T apps as well.
So what do you guys think? Should I go for it? And are there any other things I should check before I cough up the cash?
And is there any way I can check NFC in the store?
Oh and did the new XT1058 come as a network locked device? Will I be able to run it on my local networks without any locking issues? (all frequency bands available on the phone are supported in my country!)
@KidJoe The phone was showing its IMEI in the "About Phone" tab in the settings menu.
So that should indicate its free from that dead IMEI issue that some of the other guys on XDA faced, right?
Also, I've heard the Rogers stock ROM is almost completely free of bloat. So can I flash a Rogers 4.4.2 SBF without unlocking the bootloader on the phone?

usmanshahid said:
I found this beautiful AT&T Moto X today. And before I finalize the deal in a day or two, I want to run a few things by you guys;
1. The phone is running '165.44.1.ghost_att.ATT.en.US' - which is 4.4.2, right?
The bootloader is locked with a Status '0'. So I guess rooting is out of the question, right?
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That is correct. Its 4.4.2
usmanshahid said:
2. When I opened the phone in fastboot, it showed the following bootloader info;
30.B4 (sha-a542ee0)
What does that mean, exactly?
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That is the bootloader version. Its consistent with 4.4.2... WHICH IS GOOD!!!
Use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader, then you can root no matter what rom is on your phone.
usmanshahid said:
3. Under the 'Kernel Version', it showed some numbers and this;
[email protected]#1
a date stamp
^What does this mean?
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I'm not sure the Kernel Version for the ATT roms. Sorry.
usmanshahid said:
I had the phone in my hand for about a good twenty minutes. It was in a very good condition. Had the AT&T logo and a tiny "assembled in USA" stamp on the back. It had a couple of AT&T apps as well.
So what do you guys think? Should I go for it? And are there any other things I should check before I cough up the cash?
And is there any way I can check NFC in the store?
Oh and did the new XT1058 come as a network locked device? Will I be able to run it on my local networks without any locking issues? (all frequency bands available on the phone are supported in my country!)
@KidJoe The phone was showing its IMEI in the "About Phone" tab in the settings menu.
So that should indicate its free from that dead IMEI issue that some of the other guys on XDA faced, right?
Also, I've heard the Rogers stock ROM is almost completely free of bloat. So can I flash a Rogers 4.4.2 SBF without unlocking the bootloader on the phone?
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If you do NOT take any updates, you can unlock the bootloader using Sunshine, and then you're free to upddate, and root as you wish.
To test NFC in "store", if you have a fitbit Flex, Force or Charge, install the fitbit app on the phone, tap your fitbit device. Does the app launch? If yes, NFC is working fine. I don't know of another way.
The XT1058 is SIM Locked (aka carrier locked), but you can purchase a SIM unlock code on line cheap, unless you can get ATT to provide it to you (you have to meet their conditions).
You can NOT flash anything but stock Moto XT1058 for ATT rom unless you unlock the bootloader.

KidJoe said:
That is correct. Its 4.4.2
That is the bootloader version. Its consistent with 4.4.2... WHICH IS GOOD!!!
Use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader, then you can root no matter what rom is on your phone.
I'm not sure the Kernel Version for the ATT roms. Sorry.
If you do NOT take any updates, you can unlock the bootloader using Sunshine, and then you're free to upddate, and root as you wish.
To test NFC in "store", if you have a fitbit Flex, Force or Charge, install the fitbit app on the phone, tap your fitbit device. Does the app launch? If yes, NFC is working fine. I don't know of another way.
The XT1058 is SIM Locked (aka carrier locked), but you can purchase a SIM unlock code on line cheap, unless you can get ATT to provide it to you (you have to meet their conditions).
You can NOT flash anything but stock Moto XT1058 for ATT rom unless you unlock the bootloader.
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Thanks for all your help!
I got the phone today. It's on 4.4.2 and is already SIM unlocked. I plan to unlock the bootloader after a few days!

usmanshahid said:
Thanks for all your help!
I got the phone today. It's on 4.4.2 and is already SIM unlocked. I plan to unlock the bootloader after a few days!
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Cool, just make sure you do NOT take any Over The Air Updates. Once you get 4.4.4 on there, you wont be able to bootloader unlock an ATT XT1058.

@KidJoe
Dude, I ran into a problem with Sunshine. They don't accept my credit card and I don't have a paypal account.
I'm working on getting a new card, but in the mean time I wanted to ask if I could use the Pie hack to temporarily root the phone to remove the AT&T bloatware.
Would that work?

usmanshahid said:
@KidJoe
Dude, I ran into a problem with Sunshine. They don't accept my credit card and I don't have a paypal account.
I'm working on getting a new card, but in the mean time I wanted to ask if I could use the Pie hack to temporarily root the phone to remove the AT&T bloatware.
Would that work?
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Yes, but keep in mind that TowelPie is a temp root and doesn't disable write protection. So, Boot, root, remove the bloat, but if you reboot the phone (or power off/on), bloat returns and you need to re-root

@KidJoe
I unlocked my phone's (ATT XT1058) bootloader recently using Sunshine.
Unfortunately, after I updated it to 4.4.4, it somehow got network locked.
Can I remove the network lock by flashing the stock ROM of the international Moto X (XT1052)?

usmanshahid said:
@KidJoe
I unlocked my phone's (ATT XT1058) bootloader recently using Sunshine.
Unfortunately, after I updated it to 4.4.4, it somehow got network locked.
Can I remove the network lock by flashing the stock ROM of the international Moto X (XT1052)?
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Flashing the rom from a different model will not sim unlock you.

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Flashing the rom from a different model will not sim unlock you.
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So how do I SIM unlock my phone? Besides getting the code from ATT.
Is there any way to do it for free?
Thank you for your help!
EDIT: In many of your threads you've warned people to not attempt to downgrade the ROM. Meaning I can't flash a Stock 4.4.2 SBF after I've updated the phone to 4.4.4.
But what if flash a custom ROM like cyanogenmod and then attempt to flash the stock 4.4.2 SBF. Will it still brick my phone?

usmanshahid said:
@KidJoe
Dude, I ran into a problem with Sunshine. They don't accept my credit card and I don't have a paypal account.
I'm working on getting a new card, but in the mean time I wanted to ask if I could use the Pie hack to temporarily root the phone to remove the AT&T bloatware.
Would that work?
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You can use Western-Union to transfer your payment to the sunshine developers... Im also from Pakistan and Unlocked my bootloader through sunshine by using the western union payment method... You dont need to work hard for a new credit card..

usmanshahid said:
So how do I SIM unlock my phone? Besides getting the code from ATT.
Is there any way to do it for free?
I just spent around $35 on Sunshine (the $10 extra was for transferring the money from my country).
It may not sound like much, but it's a lot in my country.
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I don't have anything I can suggest to SIM unlock the XT1058 for free. Some services online sell SIM unlock codes, that would be the only thing I can suggest.
usmanshahid said:
EDIT: In many of your threads you've warned people to not attempt to downgrade the ROM. Meaning I can't flash a Stock 4.4.2 SBF after I've updated the phone to 4.4.4.
But what if flash a custom ROM like cyanogenmod and then attempt to flash the stock 4.4.2 SBF. Will it still brick my phone?
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CM11, CM12, or any ROM based on AOSP, only flash SYSTEM, and do not touch gpt.bin or the critical parts of motoboot.img. So if you go from Moto 4.4.4 -> CM, you still have parts of the Moto 4.4.4 on there... So later if you go CM -> Moto 4.4.2 SBF, you're still at risk of bricking.
And the next question you will likely ask is... "what if I skip those parts"... To that I say... Read items 11, 13, 14, 16, and 17 at -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-warning-risks-downgrading-impacts-t3058202

KidJoe said:
I don't have anything I can suggest to SIM unlock the XT1058 for free. Some services online sell SIM unlock codes, that would be the only thing I can suggest.
CM11, CM12, or any ROM based on AOSP, only flash SYSTEM, and do not touch gpt.bin or the critical parts of motoboot.img. So if you go from Moto 4.4.4 -> CM, you still have parts of the Moto 4.4.4 on there... So later if you go CM -> Moto 4.4.2 SBF, you're still at risk of bricking.
And the next question you will likely ask is... "what if I skip those parts"... To that I say... Read items 11, 13, 14, 16, and 17 at -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-warning-risks-downgrading-impacts-t3058202
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Thank you for all your help and advice. I really appreciate it!

@KidJoe
Sir, I went through your blog on cdmaforums and I have a couple of questions.
1. Due to the GPT.BIN issue, will all the nandroid backups I made using TWRP on 4.4.4 become useless after I update to Lollipop in future?
2. If (after its released), I take the Lollipop OTA file, extract it and only flash the system and boot images will I still have the GPT.BIN issues?
Cause technically, I will have the gpt.bin file from 4.4.4 and all my nandroid backups should work just fine, no?
Found another thread where you warned us not to try this.
3. Supposedly while messing about with my phone, I brick it. Can I get it back to normal?
I found a method to do this on your blog, but I was wondering if it could be used to recover from the messed up gpt.bin files?
[I want to try the thing I mentioned in point 2 above so I need to know if I'll be able to recover my phone if something happens.]
4. What is NON-HLOS.BIN? I found this file in a 4.4.4 SBF that I extracted. Didn't flash it - I was moving from ATT 4.4.4 to EU 4.4.4 so I guess it wouldn't have made much of a difference.
5. I have a ATT phone which was carrier locked. Will erasing the modemst partitions re-activate the modem lock?
6. After I've downloaded an OTA via the system update option on my phone, is there anyway to extract that OTA from the /cache partition?
7. I had a stock ATT 4.4.4 ROM from which I switched to the stock EU 4.4.4 ROM (I didn't flash the entire EU SBF because TWRP was giving an error - MD5 sums didn't match - so I extracted the system and boot partitions and flashed those). So now, as I understand, if I get an official 5.1 OTA, all I have to do is flash the stock recovery and install the OTA after which I can re-flash TWRP again. That correct, or am I missing something?
Thank you!

usmanshahid said:
@KidJoe
Sir, I went through your blog on cdmaforums and I have a couple of questions.
1. Due to the GPT.BIN issue, will all the nandroid backups I made using TWRP on 4.4.4 become useless after I update to Lollipop in future?
2. If (after its released), I take the Lollipop OTA file, extract it and only flash the system and boot images will I still have the GPT.BIN issues?
Cause technically, I will have the gpt.bin file from 4.4.4 and all my nandroid backups should work just fine, no?
Found another thread where you warned us not to try this.
3. Supposedly while messing about with my phone, I brick it. Can I get it back to normal?
I found a method to do this on your blog, but I was wondering if it could be used to recover from the messed up gpt.bin files?
[I want to try the thing I mentioned in point 2 above so I need to know if I'll be able to recover my phone if something happens.]
4. What is NON-HLOS.BIN? I found this file in a 4.4.4 SBF that I extracted. Didn't flash it - I was moving from ATT 4.4.4 to EU 4.4.4 so I guess it wouldn't have made much of a difference.
5. I have a ATT phone which was carrier locked. Will erasing the modemst partitions re-activate the modem lock?
6. After I've downloaded an OTA via the system update option on my phone, is there anyway to extract that OTA from the /cache partition?
7. I had a stock ATT 4.4.4 ROM from which I switched to the stock EU 4.4.4 ROM (I didn't flash the entire EU SBF because TWRP was giving an error - MD5 sums didn't match - so I extracted the system and boot partitions and flashed those). So now, as I understand, if I get an official 5.1 OTA, all I have to do is flash the stock recovery and install the OTA after which I can re-flash TWRP again. That correct, or am I missing something?
Thank you!
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Except for NON-HLOS.BIN, What you are asking is pretty much covered in -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-warning-risks-downgrading-impacts-t3058202
but I'll reply here anyway...
1. You could restore them, BUT once you have a newer ROM installed on the phone, due to the mismatch of GPT.bin and Motoboot.img parts of the phone, you'll likely encounter bugs and potentially some features not working (due to the mismatch between the GPT and Motoboot parts and the rest of your rom, and the mismatch of any other parts of the phone not included in the nandroid back up made with TWRP).
2. Although you scratched and said you found the thread... Again, see my answer to #1.
3. There are varying degrees of "bricking." If you still can access the phone via fastboot, in some cases recovery is as simple as re-flashing the SBF that matches the NEWEST version you had on your phone. Other cases its much harder than that, and still other cases you can't recover at all. We've seen it all.
4. it either IS or IS RELATED TO the MODEM of the phone.
5. I'm sorry, I do not know for sure.
6. After downloading, but before installing, the OTA update ZIP file is stored on the phone in /cacahe folder. You need to be rooted to access this folder. If you are rooted, you can copy this file to /SDcard to then copy it to your PC or elsewhere.
7. First off, TWRP doesn't work with flashing IMG files from inside an SBF so I'm not sure what you were trying there. But anyway... IF you used mfastboot to flash EU's System.IMG and BOOT.IMG to your phone, IF you get notified for an available update, it will be the update for the EU ROM. It will be interesting to see what happens. Due to the mix-matched parts on your phone (system/boot from EU, rest from ATT USA), the pre-flash validation might fail, and the OTA wont install. However, IF enough of your phone matches the EU rom, then the update will install and PATCH files/parts on the phone with the EU version, then you may be stuck on the EU version..

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7. First off, TWRP doesn't work with flashing IMG files from inside an SBF so I'm not sure what you were trying there. But anyway... IF you used mfastboot to flash EU's System.IMG and BOOT.IMG to your phone, IF you get notified for an available update, it will be the update for the EU ROM. It will be interesting to see what happens. Due to the mix-matched parts on your phone (system/boot from EU, rest from ATT USA), the pre-flash validation might fail, and the OTA wont install. However, IF enough of your phone matches the EU rom, then the update will install and PATCH files/parts on the phone with the EU version, then you may be stuck on the EU version..
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I'm sorry, I should have been more clear.
TWRP was giving errors so I opened the zip file on a computer and flashed the system.img and boot.img via the fast boot command.
I had flashed the recovery.img as well, but that got overwritten when I flashed TWRP again. Pretty much all that was left was gpt.bin file, non-hlos.bin, fsg.mbn and motoboot.img.
As I understand it, motoboot.img is the bootloader and gpt.bin is a partition table and both these files will be the same for all 4.4.4 ROMS.
And non-hlos.bin and fsg.mbn are modem files which should also be the almost same for both EU and ATT ROMS. Except maybe having a modem lock or something on the ATT version.
Before I take the OTA, I'll flash the recovery.img from the EU 4.4.4 SBF which I unzipped to prevent clashes.
Do you think the rest of the files would be enough to cause the pre flash validation check to fail?
Could you elaborate on what you mean by 'stuck on the EU version'?
And would you recommend that I take the OTA, provided I get one?
Thank you!

[Q] [MOTO X| RW] Moving back to Europe, I just want to do phone calls.

So I have a MOTO X 2013 from Republic Wireless (XT1049) and I'm moving back to Europe (Portugal). I was wondering if there was any way to change my SIM card and be able to simply do calls. I don't care if I lose the RW functionalities of wifi calling and all that.
Unfortunately I'm in version 4.4.4 and from what I have checked I can't really change my ROM anymore (though that would solve my problem). Also the SIM-unlocker I found (http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/guide-success-sim-unlock-sprint-xt1056-t2825155) doesn't seem to be for my phone version and... I have no idea what GSM is haha.
I have searched a lot but I can't seem to find a clear solution..
I'm completely new to all this things so if you have any solution I would appreciate if you could explain it really well

Filaipus said:
So I have a MOTO X 2013 from Republic Wireless (XT1049) and I'm moving back to Europe (Portugal). I was wondering if there was any way to change my SIM card and be able to simply do calls. I don't care if I lose the RW functionalities of wifi calling and all that.
Unfortunately I'm in version 4.4.4 and from what I have checked I can't really change my ROM anymore (though that would solve my problem). Also the SIM-unlocker I found (http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/guide-success-sim-unlock-sprint-xt1056-t2825155) doesn't seem to be for my phone version and... I have no idea what GSM is haha.
I have searched a lot but I can't seem to find a clear solution..
I'm completely new to all this things so if you have any solution I would appreciate if you could explain it really well
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Without unlocking the bootloader, you can't do anything but use that phone on Republic Wireless. Sell it and then buy a phone that will work to where you are moving.

JulesJam said:
Without unlocking the bootloader, you can't do anything but use that phone on Republic Wireless. Sell it and then buy a phone that will work to where you are moving.
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And there's no way to unlock the bootloader in version 4.4 right? Crap. I can't really sell it since I'm already in Portugal also haha. O well, now I have a expensive mp3 player. Thanks!

Filaipus said:
And there's no way to unlock the bootloader in version 4.4 right?
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4.4 or 4.4.4? There is no way to unlock the bootloader on 4.4.4.
Even if you could bootloader unlock it, it needs to be SIM unlocked too. But then the issues is the hardware - does it have GSM radios in it? Idk, you would have to look into that.

Filaipus said:
And there's no way to unlock the bootloader in version 4.4 right? Crap. I can't really sell it since I'm already in Portugal also haha. O well, now I have a expensive mp3 player. Thanks!
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the sim unlock instructions by @samwathegreat here -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/guide-success-sim-unlock-sprint-xt1056-t2825155 require you to flash the Sprint rom, which you can't do unless you are bootloader unlocked.
Since moto doesn't give out the bootloader unlock code for Republic Wireless, and the China seller/Middleman is/are long gone, Sunshine is your only option.
If you have 4.4.2 or LOWER, and have never upgraded it to 4.4.4, then you can use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader, and follow that thread to SIM Unlock (aka carrier unlock). That would enable GSM and you could use it with carriers in Europe.
BUT if you already upgraded it to 4.4.4, then you are stuck as far as I know. And no, you can't completely and safely downgrade to 4.4.2 or lower, and even if you try, the parts Sunshine works with wont be downgraded anyway. (i.e. Sunshine wont work even if you attempt to downgrade to 4.4.2)
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JulesJam said:
4.4 or 4.4.4? There is no way to unlock the bootloader on 4.4.4.
Even if you could bootloader unlock it, it needs to be SIM unlocked too. But then the issues is the hardware - does it have GSM radios in it? Idk, you would have to look into that.
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Yes, the Republic Wireless XT1049 does have GSM radios, but they are SIM Locked (aka Carrier Locked). The only way to SIM Unlock them is to have an unlocked bootloader so you can flash the Sprint XT1056 SBF, and follow the instructions in that other thread.