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if you want to do custom roms, then buy elsewhere, we’ll continue with our strategy
guys check this out http://phandroid.com/2011/01/19/motorola-locked-bootloaders-stay-you-can-go-elsewhere/
motorola was found saying this in their youtube comments
@tdcrooks if you want to do custom roms, then buy elsewhere, we’ll continue with our strategy that is working thanks.
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i guess we better start doing what they say we should do
Lol this is the kind of mindset that will kill Moto again.
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and now they are trying to cover their a**
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/...-sweet-love-to-rom-devs-and-rooters/#comments
I'm going to do that, I'll give milestone to wife and get me Nexus.
Main reason why I got a Droid1 and not a DroidX
That's why so many wont't even consider Xoom no matter of specs
Unbelievable!
Seriously, how can companies dare tell their customers stuff like that?
Reminds me of S. Jobs "Just avoid holding it in that way."
Basically what both of the above mentioned are telling us is: "Customers, go f. off!"
And I won't buy products from a company that tells me to f. off!
I hope that some of you are familiar with PhantomHacker and his contributions to the Android Development community. He has proven to be one of the most recognized ROM developers. Personally, I wait for confirmation that he'll be developing for a particular device before I even consider purchasing it. Ever since my Galaxy Tab 10.1 days (StarBurst ROM), I have declared my allegiance to his ROMs. This has carried over to the Samsung Galaxy SII and now the Samsung Galaxy SIII (Blazer ROMs). I could only imagine the types of things he would bring to the Nexus 7.
I inquired about him developing for the Nexus 7 and he said he would love the opportunity but doesn't have the funds to acquire one for himself. I told him I'd start this thread to appropriate enough funds so that we can get him one. Considering the fact that these devices cost so little, I figured, with your help, we could get there soon. I'd like to acquire enough funds to get him the 16GB version, but we'll settle with the 8GB if need be.
If you'd like more information about his work, check out these threads:
Sprint GS3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1746184
AT&T GS3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1815716
Sprint GS2 (Epic 4G Touch): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1363071
Galaxy Tab 10.1: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1197776
You will notice that he remains very active in his threads and is constantly updating his work.
I will be collecting donations in my PayPal account in order to update this thread with the pot value we are currently at. Also reply to this thread with the transaction ID so I can place your username in the Thanks section. I will divide the Thanks section into Gold Contributors ($10+), Silver Contributors ($5-$9.99), and Bronze Contributors ($4.99 and below) in honor of the Olympics.
Just click on the link below to make your contribution:
[DONATE] https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=E77BXT72GCNVJ [DONATE]
I know you guys can dig in your pockets for something to contribute as we spent very little for the Nexus 7.
Hope you all jump aboard so we can get there really soon.
Contribution List
* GOLD *
akarol
Torisen
* SILVER *
aarjaytea
* BRONZE*
I don't know this developer or his work, but I'm into this sort of crowd-funded enterprise within the Android community in a major way.
And I like how often I've seen it happen here on XDA.
Thank you so much for your support!
Sent from my badass Samsung Galaxy SIII.
Anyone... Bueller?
Shame this popped up after the initial influx died down a bit.
Wow guys! C'mon! Let's get some premier development for our device going. I know that there are some superb development going on right now, but PH really would add a lot of neat tricks to our N7.
Kind of sad that the N7 community isn't as giving as the phone communities seem to be. =/
I like the community and I like it when I see people happy with custom roms. I don't use them but I like reading about them. I sent a donation but didn't get a transaction number but I did get a confirmation number, is that what you needed?
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Wow guys! C'mon! Let's get some premier development for our device going. I know that there are some superb development going on right now, but PH really would add a lot of neat tricks to our N7.
Kind of sad that the N7 community isn't as giving as the phone communities seem to be. =/
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Awesome Torisen! Thanks for your contribution! Woohoo!
akarol said:
Wow guys! C'mon! Let's get some premier development for our device going. I know that there are some superb development going on right now, but PH really would add a lot of neat tricks to our N7.
Kind of sad that the N7 community isn't as giving as the phone communities seem to be. =/
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Well-established devices that are attractive to developers on their own (e.g. any Nexus device) don't need device donations to facilitate development. Especially devices that are dirt cheap to begin with.
Also, the skillset required for a Nexus device is VERY different from that required for a device that does not have AOSP support. Experience with smali-hacking and deodexing is of no benefit on a Nexus. Even well-established smali-hackers don't necessarily fare well on Nexus devices - see Designgears as an example.
Also, really, he doesn't have enough money for a $200 Nexus 7? He's paying for devices and service on at least two different carriers, and paid full unsubsidized price for at least one of those devices - If his work were indeed that good, he would have made enough money from previous donations to pay for the N7.
Donating a device upfront to a developer RARELY works out. Look at the Infuse community - There were at least three devices donated to developers in the early days of that device who received devices and did either nothing or almost nothing with them. The only device donations that actually resulted in any significant benefit were donations of used devices when owners upgraded.
I wish i could help i am very low on money, but you have my word i will throw so cash when i have it. The more devs we have the better
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@leelaa: Thank you for vouching. We appreciate any help we can get.
@Entropy512: I respect your opinions but I ask you to please refrain from posting in this thread if you're not willing to colaborate or support the movement. I can assure you that PH can handle the Nexus 7. I created this thread because I mentioned in the SG3 thread about development for this device and he said that he would love to develop for it but was lacking the funds.
Ok. Ive waited....Ive watched....Ive listened. And to no avail. WHO DO WE HAVE TO BRIBE TO GET A WATCH STYLER TYPE APP FOR THE GEAR 2/GEAR 2 NEO? I mean its not like its a super expensive device like back in the old days when over in the sprint s3 forum people were making donations to get their favorite devs the phone so they could work their magic. WHO WANTS TO DO THIS FOR US??? I for one have $25 to put toward the first guy to make this dream possible for us gear2/gear2neo owners. WHOS WITH ME?????? Heck....charge 5 bucks for the app....YOU CAN MAKE A KILLING! IF YOU MAKE IT....WE WILL BUY! LOL. but seriously. sorry for the rant. but with everyone constantly touting how "easy" it is to create apps for tizen using the sdk.....why has no one done it??
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Ok. Ive waited....Ive watched....Ive listened. And to no avail. WHO DO WE HAVE TO BRIBE TO GET A WATCH STYLER TYPE APP FOR THE GEAR 2/GEAR 2 NEO? I mean its not like its a super expensive device like back in the old days when over in the sprint s3 forum people were making donations to get their favorite devs the phone so they could work their magic. WHO WANTS TO DO THIS FOR US??? I for one have $25 to put toward the first guy to make this dream possible for us gear2/gear2neo owners. WHOS WITH ME?????? Heck....charge 5 bucks for the app....YOU CAN MAKE A KILLING! IF YOU MAKE IT....WE WILL BUY! LOL. but seriously. sorry for the rant. but with everyone constantly touting how "easy" it is to create apps for tizen using the sdk.....why has no one done it??
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I'm totally with you on this, I just got my Gear 2 Neo watch and did a search for watch faces and found that Watch Styler app but it only works with original Gear. (lame).
Is this due to it no longer being Android based and now being Tizen?
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I'm totally with you on this, I just got my Gear 2 Neo watch and did a search for watch faces and found that Watch Styler app but it only works with original Gear. (lame).
Is this due to it no longer being Android based and now being Tizen?
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Correcto. I would only assume that a watch styler app will come soon. . Hope..
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Please go here for new thread...http://forum.xda-developers.com/gear-2/help
Hello everyone,
As i am new here in the XDA world i don't know if this thread is legal or not but i will give it a shot, why not. I was always an apple fan boy since ipad 1, but for the past year i was having my doubts about apple. So i did my self a favor and i purchase an android device, more specifically a Samsung galaxy tab s 8.4 ( wifi only ) or aka ( SM-T700). I did a heave research before i purchased it and i realized it was the best thing under 10". ( i knew i was a getting a TW device )
After my purchase i realised i was not happy at all with the performance of the tablet and a friend suggested XDA as he is using it heavily for his own devices ( tab s, moto g 1st, kindle fire ) He was super pleased with the work of all the devs in here so i said why not, i will join.
After going through all the threads one by one, and reading every single post in them ( talking about T700 threads only ) i realized that the devs that are so effortlessly working on the ROMS and kernels they either don't have the tablet to test or they are not so motivated as they used to be, mainly because people demand things from them without giving back. I recently read in a thread a developer trying to defend his position about his ROM and another guy talking to him about the ROM and the battery life like sh**. Well if it was me i would easily ask from XDA to ban that user. After witnessing that i was like "WT* Dude"... Anw what i am trying to say here don't demand if you don't give, just wait patiently. These 3 paragraphs was only my introduction to my main point.
Since i want to thank our developers and i am talking about 3 here. The guy who makes CM11 @Barracuda77777 , the guy who makes CM12 @eousphoros and the guy who makes the kernels @UpInTheAir . I noticed that these guys are either not motivated enough cause many people don't appreciate or they either don't have the tablet to test and they are waiting for people to test therefore the ROMS come out slower.
My proposal to all of you users here and owners of the T700 version is why not collect some money and buy these guys 1 device each so they mod the hell out of it and everyone can get happier? This is not a charity for them and no they did not ask me to make this thread. I am making this thread because i want to thank them as much as possible for using their spare ours to give FREE their ROMS to all of us. How about we each tip 10-20$ to buy 3 devices and send them to the guys? It's a win-win for all. They get a nice Christmas present as a thank you from all of us and you all get better working roms with a cost of 10-20$
I am willing to collect the money for the guys, so i can get nice deals for the devices. If you are interested send me a PM and i will do my best to find the fastest shipping company in my country so i can deliver the goodies to them
TIME-WASTERS AND HATERS PLEASE DON'T EVEN REPLY TO THIS THREAD. YOU ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME.
Glad for you to be on Xda! I have a T800 (10.5 inch model) and yet we also have roms and kernels from the same devs in this post. They both made a rom/kernels for both models! I'm glad that we have these devs that bring life into our tablets. I dont have any money right now ( not old enough for a job) but Im willing to test roms/ kernels for the devs and report on back for the model I own. Hopefully these devs can get what they deserve. We are lucky to already have such awesome roms and kernels and some other tablets do not even have cm11 yet. Glad that you made this post! It could help the devs get what they deserve because of what they have done to our devices and gave life to them. ?
It's not always about money or motivation or ungrateful end user.
For me, it's also about time. I have a job that involves traveling away and a family. These things are most important to me.
I already support devices i can't personally test and help with guidance here and there.
There's just not enough time in the day to do more as i have other device I'm developing for.
If anyone wishes to donate, please donate to your favorite recognized charity or XDA for hosting these forums. Without XDA we would have next to nothing.
Happy Christmas to all !
Fellow T700 Owner here.
I too would like to thank the Devs for the hard work they do and XDA for supporting the community by existing.
I am always willing to help out and test out anything and everything.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone.
Really dissapointed
So apparently people don't like to give and get. From what i understood i see 170 views and 3 replies. What about everyone else? Free ROMS with demands? anw.. i ll give this a week and wait to collect money.
Thanks again.
Sporbillis said:
So apparently people don't like to give and get. From what i understood i see 170 views and 3 replies. What about everyone else? Free ROMS with demands? anw.. i ll give this a week and wait to collect money.
Thanks again.
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No bad intent ment here at all...but - Sporbillis, you're a brand new member to XDA. I would think there would be trust issues about sending money to ANYONE let alone a new member just popping up and collecting money. So don't feel like the folks here aren't responding because they're freeloaders....it's just too easy to get ripped off....
Just sayin'
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No bad intent ment here at all...but - Sporbillis, you're a brand new member to XDA. I would think there would be trust issues about sending money to ANYONE let alone a new member just popping up and collecting money. So don't feel like the folks here aren't responding because they're freeloaders....it's just too easy to get ripped off....
Just sayin'
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Yea i get that, if i was going to ripoff people i wouldn't get into the fuss of joining xda and specifically the T700 owners. i would go join some other device with much more audience. anw.
I hear the frustration. Personally, I like to see ROMs from someone who is so passionate and motivated about the device that they went out and bought one, is willing to trip the Knox counter, void warranty and possibly brick the device. That person, I hope, would love the device enough to continue with development when most everyone else has moved on to the next latest and greatest device (DanielHK for the Samsung p6800, for example). In addition, the developer has to be thick-skinned enough to read complaints (both constructive and destructive) and deal with widely varying age groups that have different levels of expectations. Even so, for non-programmer types there is much that can be done via modification of the stock ROM, remove bloat, remove Knox, write to sdcard mod, etc. There is a bit of a learning curve.
What is it about the T700 performance that is unsatisfying? Perhaps there is already a solution. New launchers can be easily installed (Nova, for example). Developer options can tweak some limited performance issues. There are build prop and .xml mods also (requires root).
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I hear the frustration. Personally, I like to see ROMs from someone who is so passionate and motivated about the device that they went out and bought one, is willing to trip the Knox counter, void warranty and possibly brick the device. That person, I hope, would love the device enough to continue with development when most everyone else has moved on to the next latest and greatest device (DanielHK for the Samsung p6800, for example). In addition, the developer has to be thick-skinned enough to read complaints (both constructive and destructive) and deal with widely varying age groups that have different levels of expectations. Even so, for non-programmer types there is much that can be done via modification of the stock ROM, remove bloat, remove Knox, write to sdcard mod, etc. There is a bit of a learning curve.
What is it about the T700 performance that is unsatisfying? Perhaps there is already a solution. New launchers can be easily installed (Nova, for example). Developer options can tweak some limited performance issues. There are build prop and .xml mods also (requires root).
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I dont get how this reply fits this thread..
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I dont get how this reply fits this thread..
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It fits because one of the developers noted in the original post replied and explained his reasons as to why he (probably) will not participate. He suggested that the donated money go elsewhere. Keep in mind that giving developers a tablet is not, necessarily, "giving back" -- for the developer it is also proposing that they work. Does the request propose giving the developers a tablet with no expectations of a ROM ever being developed for the device and not bothering them if a ROM is not forthcoming? If so, that proposal might be considered "giving back". Otherwise, the proposal is just reducing the material/monetary overhead for the developer but not reducing (or funding) the workload.
If a ROM is required, offer up a substantial bounty worth the developer's time and effort along with the materials -- then there *may* be some takers. That offer might make developers happy. Given the lack of responses at this time it appears that the offer as it stands (funded mainly by others) is not enough.
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It fits because one of the developers noted in the original post replied and explained his reasons as to why he (probably) will not participate. He suggested that the donated money go elsewhere. Keep in mind that giving developers a tablet is not, necessarily, "giving back" -- for the developer it is also proposing that they work. Does the request propose giving the developers a tablet with no expectations of a ROM ever being developed for the device and not bothering them if a ROM is not forthcoming? If so, that proposal might be considered "giving back". Otherwise, the proposal is just reducing the material/monetary overhead for the developer but not reducing (or funding) the workload.
If a ROM is required, offer up a substantial bounty worth the developer's time and effort along with the materials -- then there *may* be some takers. That offer might make developers happy. Given the lack of responses at this time it appears that the offer as it stands (funded mainly by others) is not enough.
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Now i get your point and you are right. The only purpose of this thread was to help those developers who are developing the rom and struggling without a tablet to actually have a tablet to test but most importantly for us to Say "THANK YOU" to them by giving them the tablet. If they want to work more or less after getting the tablet is their business. I was just kind enough to think about starting this thread. About upintheair i get where he comes from " NO TIME AVAILABLE " and i appreciate his honesty. Even though he has a tablet. The money portion of the thread collected can be given to him if he has a tablet and again as a thank you not as a "please work more"
I hope i was clear enough because i was in a hurry writting.
Thanks
Although I don't currently possess the skills contribute to the development of a custom OS or update patches, I do plan to learn and am very willing donate to those who are willing to keep our Pebbles alive and relevant well into the future.
Kudos to all that are ready, capable and willing to tackle the challenge. I am almost certain that I am not alone in these sentiments.
Update (2016-12-16):
A former Pebble employee has created a script to all the mass export of folk's apps and will, once the servers go down, start a new instance to allow the bulk import of all that app development. (Bulk CloudPebble Project Export - https://www.reddit.com/r/pebble/comments/5h61om/bulk_cloudpebble_project_export/)
Also, a free PDF of "Learning C with Pebble" is available and I hope to dive into it soon. (Pick up your free copy of the Book "Learning C with Pebble" - https://www.reddit.com/r/pebble/comments/5h6s1s/pick_up_your_free_copy_of_the_book_learning_c/)
All the best!
Hear hear... I'm sure the fans and users will keep the pebble alive.
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Although I don't currently possess the skills contribute to the development of a custom OS or update patches, I do plan to learn and am very willing donate to those who are willing to keep our Pebbles alive and relevant well into the future.
Kudos to all that are ready, capable and willing to tackle the challenge. I am almost certain that I am not alone in these sentiments.
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I'm hoping that pebble users will fight back by keeping our pebbles alive for a long time.
I'm saddened immensely. ?
I got the very first pebble. I loved it and I was a Kickstart backer for pebble time.
I was in total shock when I first learned of pebble discontinuation. I was in shocked.
Why was this. It makes no sense.
So we will have a watch and it won't be supported. Essentially we'll have a device that will be frozen in time and will no longer be updated and that's it. Done.
This totally sucks.
I'm never going to purchase anything from Kickstarter period there's no sustainable value to back them up.
Very upset, and disheartened
KP
Fitbit has got most IP of Pebble software, it depends on them to release or not the source code for Pebble hardware, I think?
Fitbit bought Pebble precisely to kill it. There won't be any pebble development, source code or anything else. Pebble does not exists anymore, Fitbit only acquired some brains and intelectual property, not the brand, the products or commitments to existing customers. Effectively yesterday, there is no pebble. Even the app, if you reinstall clean on a new phone, you will notice there is no login to pebble account, because there isn't any. It will configure as a local app with google fit sync, but int's only one way sync, from the app to google fit, not the other way arround.
It is sad, but as many things in tech world today, you are not buying a product, you are buying associated services, and these can disappears unexpectedly. Then the product becomes just a piece of black plastic or, if lucky a pretty expensive electronic watch.
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Fitbit bought Pebble precisely to kill it. There won't be any pebble development, source code or anything else. Pebble does not exists anymore, Fitbit only acquired some brains and intelectual property, not the brand, the products or commitments to existing customers. Effectively yesterday, there is no pebble. Even the app, if you reinstall clean on a new phone, you will notice there is no login to pebble account, because there isn't any. It will configure as a local app with google fit sync, but int's only one way sync, from the app to google fit, not the other way arround.
It is sad, but as many things in tech world today, you are not buying a product, you are buying associated services, and these can disappears unexpectedly. Then the product becomes just a piece of black plastic or, if lucky a pretty expensive electronic watch.
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I respectfully disagree that there won't be any development. There is a strong community of users to find new innovative ways to keep legacy devices alive. It's the driving force of XDA and what brings a lot of us here.
Here's an exchange that I had with a Pebble app developer after I just donated to him for his watchface.
I wrote, "Please keep writing apps for Pebble! It can use all the developer support it can get now. Thanks so much!"
And he replied, "Thank you so much for your support! And yes I won't stop! Like Katharine (former head of Pebble dev team) put it: "We will keep coding for these Pebbles until batteries die!""
TL;DR - there's still a future for Pebble watches.
Sorry, I meant official development. Of course community will keep things going for as long as possible. But already is a thread on Reddit and users report devs withdrawing apps from pebble app store. The store will probably be gone soon, as nobody will pay for cloud services and server side functionality will phase out. It will not be instant, but unless some entity will not see the business benefits of keep going (and that means money), it will eventually die.
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. Even the app, if you reinstall clean on a new phone, you will notice there is no login to pebble account, because there isn't any. It will configure as a local app with google fit sync, but int's only one way sync, from the app to google fit, not the other way arround.
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I installed the Pebble app 2 days ago, for the first time. It let me create an account, no problem
^ this. created new account and logged in fine.
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I'm never going to purchase anything from Kickstarter period there's no sustainable value to back them up.
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Don't you think that's a little extreme? They had a good, long run, and then they were acquired by another company. Neither you nor they nor anybody else could have predicted how this went down back when they got going. I hope you do continue to support new technologies - it's the only way we'll move forward.
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Don't you think that's a little extreme? They had a good, long run, and then they were acquired by another company. Neither you nor they nor anybody else could have predicted how this went down back when they got going. I hope you do continue to support new technologies - it's the only way we'll move forward.
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It may be extreme, but they developed a movement then sold it. So now the pebble os is more..
In few months to years.... What am I going to do with my pebbles.... They won't be useful with newer versions of OS
It just was very disappointing. So that is why I will not hold my breath for a Kickstarter company. Pebble was a trailblazer but how they fizzled.... I'm still trying to wrap my head around this