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So, this thread has 2 purposes.
1) I'm sort of confused as to when AT&T is supposed to get this phone. It just says "Coming soon" on their web site. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem waiting. I just dislike the mystery of it all. Most people are talking about the Nexus 6 release on the Play Store, which seems to be an enigma in and of itself. But how is there no clear indication when it'll be available on AT&T (or Verizon or whatever)? Why even put the web page up if everything is such a mystery?
2) I'd like to use this thread for someone to post (including myself) when they DO see that the Nexus 6 is available for pre-order or just plain order. I keep refreshing the page like a dope (don't worry, it's not manual) and I wonder why I'm even doing it. Is the pre-order page going to magically appear one day? Does anyone have an estimate as to when? Or should I just drop this whole pre-order idea and just go in the store sometime later in November?
Okay, that's all. Any comments are welcome.
T-Mobile is officially not doing a pre-order. I suspect the same is true of all carriers, even if they haven't announced that fact.
The rumor (with some convincing back-up) is that they'll be available to order outright from carriers next week. We'll see if that's true.
At this point I'm starting to think that carriers are not going to do preorders and just sell it when device is in stock. Hopefully around November 12th like we heard with some of the other carriers.
Well I stopped in an AT&T store today just for the heck of it and asked one of the techs there if he knew anything about a possible Nexus 6 availability date. He said he had no clue. 'Just a lot of rumors right now". He said he's been scouring the Internet for more information.
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i work at an att store, and i try my best to learn EVERYTHING about the upcoming nexus 6. but we only get official information pretty much the time you guys would, with a few exceptions. nothing so far.
Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.
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Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.
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its not hard.
contract or next: you decide to stay on att because you are satisfied with their service. you have the option to pay a 199.99 (rumored for subsidized) or 53.62 (sales tax for next) for the device with a plan for some time (2 years). you are content with the phone itself, you do not feel the need to unlock administrator privileges.
unlocked: you like to hackzor the romerino bootloaderino and jump around between carriers for your amusement and 649.99 is chump change to you
MattMJB0188 said:
Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.
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Not all bootloaders. M8 is fully unlockable through htc's official website. S-off does require some hackz but it wouldn't even be possible if at&t didn't show us to unlock through an official channel
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its not hard.
contract or next: you decide to stay on att because you are satisfied with their service. you have the option to pay a 199.99 (rumored for subsidized) or 53.62 (sales tax for next) for the device with a plan for some time (2 years). you are content with the phone itself, you do not feel the need to unlock administrator privileges.
unlocked: you like to hackzor the romerino bootloaderino and jump around between carriers for your amusement and 649.99 is chump change to you
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Keep us updated. Thanks for letting me know I need 53.62 to get mine whenever they release it
MattMJB0188 said:
Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.
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I am planning on buying mine from ATT on the Next 12 simply because I dont have $650+tax to spend on a new phone right now with Christmas coming up. Also I need to actually use my Next upgrade every 12-13 months to make it worthwhile, otherwise the cost of having Next actually costs the same or more than buying the phone outright or on a 2-year. Whereas if I upgrade every 12 months I only pay $400 for a phone, instead of $600+ for a normal price on an off contract flagship every year. Makes sense to me saving $200 a year. But if ATT locks the bootloader down so that I cant simply do a "Fastboot OEM Unlock" or have an unlock method available right away then I wont be buying the ATT version. Having a locked Nexus would just be heresy.
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T-Mobile is officially not doing a pre-order. I suspect the same is true of all carriers, even if they haven't announced that fact.
The rumor (with some convincing back-up) is that they'll be available to order outright from carriers next week. We'll see if that's true.
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I have a friend who works at a T -Mobile in MD and she said it will be in stock on the 14th.
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i work at an att store, and i try my best to learn EVERYTHING about the upcoming nexus 6. but we only get official information pretty much the time you guys would, with a few exceptions. nothing so far.
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I work on Customer Care (Call Center) and pretty much all customer-related info are revealed at the same time that AT&T as company acknowledged publicly, although some of us are trying our best to give actual information (and trying not to speculate like some other AT&T depts have been doing unfortunately and personally I feel ashamed about it), so bear with us that has NO control on information and why AT&T does not give details.
Keep in mind that this is the first time for AT&T for the Nexus brand and probably the prefer delay that screwing up.
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MattMJB0188 said:
Maybe somebody can enlighten me here. I do not see the point of buying this device through AT&T? I mean unless you want a contract or next. Wouldn't it be smart to buy it completely unlocked via Google Play? Will it be the same version? I know AT&T locks down all of their bootloaders.
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I believe that although not a complete privilege as Apple, AT&T might let the exception that Google and Motorola handles all direct updates on the OS side of the device so no worries here.
Bootloaders locked are really common, even the previous Nexus devices did came with bootloader locked and just with proper acknowledgement that you WILL LOSE your warranty, Motorola, nor Google CANNOT deny root access to the device, but might resverse the right to look into your reason on why you are requesting a unlock on the bootloader (ALL THIS assuming all follow HTC's policies on customer registering as developers to request the bootloader unlock).
The other advantages is the AT&T Next in which gives you a economic "relief" until you are ready to pay completely the device or sacrificing two years for have the device under a special price.
watch att encrypting the bootloader to hell and back and loading the system partition with garbage apps nobody wants
I'm patiently waiting to pick it off the playstore(don't want a tainted Nexus) [emoji6]
Like I've said before, I just don't see the point of the "Nexus" if AT&T is going to lock it down. If this is the case then Google might as well abandon the whole concept of a Nexus device. Re-brand it and be done with it.
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I am planning on buying mine from ATT on the Next 12 simply because I dont have $650+tax to spend on a new phone right now with Christmas coming up. Also I need to actually use my Next upgrade every 12-13 months to make it worthwhile, otherwise the cost of having Next actually costs the same or more than buying the phone outright or on a 2-year. Whereas if I upgrade every 12 months I only pay $400 for a phone, instead of $600+ for a normal price on an off contract flagship every year. Makes sense to me saving $200 a year. But if ATT locks the bootloader down so that I cant simply do a "Fastboot OEM Unlock" or have an unlock method available right away then I wont be buying the ATT version. Having a locked Nexus would just be heresy.
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When I looked at the Next plan last time, I thought I have to pay the whole price of the phone before I can upgrade. So If I buy a phone worth $600 on the Next plan. In 2 years I pay $400. Can I upgrade to new phone without paying rest of $200? Doesn't sound right to me. Can anyone confirm this please?
EDIT: Went to ATT website and looked closely. In 12 months, I can trade in the phone and remaining cost of the phone will be waived off. It does look pretty promising except the locked bootloader part.
All Nexus devices have a locked bootloader. You have to unlock it yourself, which you WILL be able to do with 99.99999999999% certainty.
Good news, everyone! Google announced this on the Play Store:
The Nexus 6 will also be available in AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, and U.S. Cellular stores later in November. Please check with your local carrier store for more information.
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That is good news. I mean, AT&T has had the Nexus 6 page up and live for some time now, here:
https://www.att.com/cellphones/moto...L&wtExtndSource=moto-nexus-6#fbid=9LjL8okyF7P
I'm just tired of looking at the "Coming Soon" status, lol. It would be nice to know when it will be available. Some people are saying the 12th. Others are saying the 14th. Then who knows, it may be towards the end of the month. It's all a mystery and will probably remain one until the phone is actually available for purchase.
https://plus.google.com/107797272029781254158/posts/R97cSgo8bDH
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I work on Customer Care (Call Center) and pretty much all customer-related info are revealed at the same time that AT&T as company acknowledged publicly, although some of us are trying our best to give actual information (and trying not to speculate like some other AT&T depts have been doing unfortunately and personally I feel ashamed about it), so bear with us that has NO control on information and why AT&T does not give details.
Keep in mind that this is the first time for AT&T for the Nexus brand and probably the prefer delay that screwing up.
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I believe that although not a complete privilege as Apple, AT&T might let the exception that Google and Motorola handles all direct updates on the OS side of the device so no worries here.
Bootloaders locked are really common, even the previous Nexus devices did came with bootloader locked and just with proper acknowledgement that you WILL LOSE your warranty, Motorola, nor Google CANNOT deny root access to the device, but might resverse the right to look into your reason on why you are requesting a unlock on the bootloader (ALL THIS assuming all follow HTC's policies on customer registering as developers to request the bootloader unlock).
The other advantages is the AT&T Next in which gives you a economic "relief" until you are ready to pay completely the device or sacrificing two years for have the device under a special price.
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This isn't the first time AT&T has had a nexus device for sale.
However I'm curious as to how it will be handled. My main concern is locking down of the phone...which shouldn't be done (it's a nexus after all). AT&T locking down the note 4 is what is keeping me from going from my note 2 directly to the note 4.
Also, they like to gouge us on price. I'm curious what they will charge for it.
[UPDATED] Looks like VZW will be supporting Samsung Pay after all (source).
From sammobile.com:
Verizon confirms Samsung Pay support
Samsung Pay was launched in the United States last month, the payments service requires carrier support to work and naturally it raised a few eyebrows when it was confirmed that Verizon will not be supporting the service at launch. This means that Verizon users are unable to use Samsung Pay on their carrier-branded devices, even though it’s the largest mobile carrier in the country, it was hinted recently that Verizon might confirm supporting the new service soon and now the company has sent out a tweet through its official account confirming just that.
Verizon has confirmed that it’s going to support Samsung Pay on compatible smartphones which include the Galaxy S6, the Galaxy S6 edge, the Galaxy S6 edge+ and the Galaxy Note 5. The carrier says that it’ll flip the switch on the service through a future software update but doesn’t say precisely when the software update will be released. At least Verizon users now know that their carrier will allow them to use Samsung’s new payment service at some point.
Verizon News (@VerizonNews) October 6, 2015: "Samsung Pay will be supported on compatible Verizon smartphones (Galaxy S 6, S 6 edge, Note5, S6 edge +) through a future software update."
Verizon is ruining everything, bootloaders are hard to unlock and they are on top of closing out root for each OTA. I am contemplating on switching to nexus or moto pure phones since they will be unlockable.
ONly reason why I am keeping Verizon is because I have unlimited data and their service is very good where I live. T Mobile is non existent.
I've been worried about this but Droid Life got a statement from Verizon and they're just still evaluating it. They've got a month to sign off on it and they don't have a competing app anymore so they really have no reason not to support is (other than the fact that they're a bunch of a**holes).
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I've been worried about this but Droid Life got a statement from Verizon and they're just still evaluating it. They've got a month to sign off on it and they don't have a competing app anymore so they really have no reason not to support is (other than the fact that they're a bunch of a**holes).
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I totally agree that that is the only reason.
Verizon gains nothing from removing this feature (or any other feature for that matter).
Completely pointless. It makes no bloody sense!
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lucky_strike33 said:
Verizon is ruining everything, bootloaders are hard to unlock and they are on top of closing out root for each OTA. I am contemplating on switching to nexus or moto pure phones since they will be unlockable.
ONly reason why I am keeping Verizon is because I have unlimited data and their service is very good where I live. T Mobile is non existent.
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You say that Verizon makes unlocking the bootloader hard.
This really does not sound like a big deal.
According to Google, an unlocked bootloader IS a security issue for the device.
Similarly, while root is fun to have, it is obtained by exploiting a security flaw,
and since only ~5% of users care about root, carriers and manufacturers kill root.
That said, MOST of Verizons corporate decisions are NOT consumer friendly.
I just hope that we can get Samsung pay somehow, perhaps with root and a root cloak like thing.
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Verizon better allow it, samsung pay was one of the reasons I shelled out big bucks for the edge xP
zachchen1996 said:
Verizon better allow it, samsung pay was one of the reasons I shelled out big bucks for the edge xP
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Same for me. I would not have bought the edge had I known Verizon would eliminate some of its selling points. Makes me want to switch carriers.
Snowby123 said:
Same for me. I would not have bought the edge had I known Verizon would eliminate some of its selling points. Makes me want to switch carriers.
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Same, the moment T-Mobile has good coverage in my area I'm switching! xD
To make matters worse, it looks like Sprint is releasing Samsung Pay early
i could care less about samsung pay lol. theres many other ways to pay and im mostly good ole fashion cash person lol
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elliwigy said:
i could care less about samsung pay lol. theres many other ways to pay and im mostly good ole fashion cash person lol
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But Samsung Pay was one of the big selling points of the handset.
Even though it is a feature you don't seem to care about,
for many of us, myself included, it is disheartening to hear this.
Verizon really has no reason to remove it. This angers many.
Snowby123 said:
But Samsung Pay was one of the big selling points of the handset.
Even though it is a feature you don't seem to care about,
for many of us, myself included, it is disheartening to hear this.
Verizon really has no reason to remove it. This angers many.
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call big red and tell them to replace your device with a new one lol
but i get what you mean, just gave my opinion.. i kno others want it and bought the phone for it..
i just dont understand how they can even block it.. after all its samsung and id imagine tied to a bank account?
maybe some smart person could port the app to work for us
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elliwigy said:
call big red and tell them to replace your device with a new one lol
but i get what you mean, just gave my opinion.. i kno others want it and bought the phone for it..
i just dont understand how they can even block it.. after all its samsung and id imagine tied to a bank account?
maybe some smart person could port the app to work for us
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You are a smart person. . . .
I think Samsung pay will be another bust. Google already tried google wallet and it didn't go very well. But android pay is something to look forward to.
davidlee101392 said:
I think Samsung pay will be another bust. Google already tried google wallet and it didn't go very well. But android pay is something to look forward to.
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Android Pay is nowhere near as good as Samsung Pay because a place still has to have NFC. Samsung Pay can be used almost anywhere. That's a huge advantage
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I'm frustrated that I could use Google wallet just fine but now my bank has to re sign up with Google. Ugh. That will probably be forever!
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i hope verizon makes a good choice and giving up us samsung pay cause im pretty sure if they don't alot of people are going to be switching carriers
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i hope verizon makes a good choice and giving up us samsung pay cause im pretty sure if they don't alot of people are going to be switching carriers
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I certainly will be!
i was able to download the Samsung Pay Apk+Framework But my Card Wont Register =/
simplyeorange said:
i was able to download the Samsung Pay Apk+Framework But my Card Wont Register =/
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Do you have root?
I know that Samsung Pay does not work with rooted devices; same as Android Pay.
Hi All,
Can someone PLEASE explain me howcome the Exynos variant's bootloader is unlockable while his Snapdragon counterpart is not? was it made in purpose from Samsung's side?
Is this bootloader unlocking of the Snapdragon variant is "dead end" 100% and he who wants custom recovery (TWRP) on Note 8 should obtain ONLY the Exynos variant ?
Thank you very much
Yes its dead it wont happen
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Yes its dead it wont happen
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Alright then I'll sell my SM-N950U1 and purchase a new Android based phone that has a custom recovery option in XDA.
Any suggestions? does the note 8 has the best specs?
I'm changing to htc
rpz79 said:
Alright then I'll sell my SM-N950U1 and purchase a new Android based phone that has a custom recovery option in XDA.
Any suggestions? does the note 8 has the best specs?
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So you purchased a $1000 phone... without understanding the limitations?
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So you purchased a $1000 phone... without understanding the limitations?
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Facepalm
myechophone said:
So you purchased a $1000 phone... without understanding the limitations?
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Unfortunately yes
This is my 2nd note and 4th galaxy
I only had Samsung's and they all were fully rooted with custom recovery.
This is the first and last time I buy cell phone with a locked bootloader i.e doesn't have TWRP option.
I don't need much TWRP as I need Xposed (although NAND backup could be very useful) but it seems they have a correlation.
I will sell this phone and buy the Exynos variant.
rpz79 said:
Unfortunately yes
This is my 2nd note and 4th galaxy
I only had Samsung's and they all were fully rooted with custom recovery.
This is the first and last time I buy cell phone with a locked bootloader i.e doesn't have TWRP option.
I don't need much TWRP as I need Xposed (although NAND backup could be very useful) but it seems they have a correlation.
I will sell this phone and buy the Exynos variant.
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Yeah that's the best thing you could do. Honestly rooting and roms dien breed unfortunately. It hurts me to say that I am a die hard fan of it. I knew my model didn't have the best for root before I bought. Phone has the most sought after features.
I mean look at apple even copying a lot of samsung. That says something. I got my model because my carrier offered a more affordable payment plan then samsung. Once One plus catches up with samsung features that will be the phone to buy for sure.
Nick216ohio said:
Once One plus catches up with samsung features that will be the phone to buy for sure.
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Unfortunately it will cost just as much if not more.....
ultramag69 said:
Unfortunately it will cost just as much if not more.....
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Samsung vast amount of features with one plus vast root/rom community= Dream come true and take my 1k please.
Nick216ohio said:
Samsung vast amount of features with one plus vast root/rom community= Dream come true and take my 1k please.
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Only if they stay true to the developement community.
Samsung used to be happy to support the developement community too, they had active representatives on our forums and every time a new phone came out, the new apps and feature that had been created here were suddenly incorporated into the new "Official Firmware"...
They even poached devs to work for them..
Then came KNOX and the end of Samsung support, though they do still seem to look for ideas to incorporate into their firmware for the latest devices at the best price to them, free...
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Only if they stay true to the developement community.
Samsung used to be happy to support the developement community too, they had active representatives on our forums and every time a new phone came out, the new apps and feature that had been created here were suddenly incorporated into the new "Official Firmware"...
They even poached devs to work for them..
Then came KNOX and the end of Samsung support, though they do still seem to look for ideas to incorporate into their firmware for the latest devices at the best price to them, free...
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That is definitely true. I remember having galaxy 1,2,3 and it was Rom heaven. I don't see One Plus going that route though. They started from the gate with Rom openness and listening.
I definitely think it's wrong how all the big phone makers turned there back on Rom community. Most of the great features phones have now days is because of developers. Then constraint that wtf?
No one have yet to explain why the Exynos variant has an unlocked bootloader.
Was is it deliberate by Samsung i.e lock the Snapdragon BL and unlock the Exynos BL ?
or was it through an effort of the XDA community to unlock it?
Im happy without root. Since we can do so many tweaks woth ADB and we also have apps. Like disconnet pro or adhell which only works on samsung phones to remove ads on apps. (Hate those vpn software like blokada adguard etc). Other things like getting spotify apps free ads. Youtube app free ads can all be found here if u look for it. Not sure why i would need root now.
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No one have yet to explain why the Exynos variant has an unlocked bootloader.
Was is it deliberate by Samsung i.e lock the Snapdragon BL and unlock the Exynos BL ?
or was it through an effort of the XDA community to unlock it?
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Has a lot to do with Carriers and Manufacturers.
Greed-
Choking innovation-
Little bit of security-
They know Roms can prolong the life of a phone and have features that the next device has. Of course they want you to buy over priced products every year.
Basically Androids turning into Apple. Google this if you will. Apple charges $1k for iphone x, yet only costs them $357 to make. That's incredible greedy returns.
Most of us at XDA know all this, but what can we do? We just say screw it and buy atleast the best android phone. You want root/rom? Stick to international/manufactured versions. Also make sure that international version has bootloader Unlock. Best bet is OnePlus latest phone for Root/Roms experience.
Alternatively can they not produce a "developer" edition of the Note 8 with no Knox at all and no locked bootloader?
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Stick to international/manufactured versions. Best bet is OnePlus latest phone for Root/Roms experience.
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I thought I bought an international one the SM-N950U1 is carrier unlocked. The irony is that I bought in the US to spare 100-200$ but where I currently live they sell the Exynos variant.
It's such a shame they (Samsung) doesn't give us the option to choose if want Knox or not. I'll try to sell my phone and buy a rootable with unlocked bootloader phone the Exynos variant is a possibility. They lost me as a devoted customer I can tell you.
Anyhow from what I understand the Exynos variant had an unlocked bootloader in the first place. No one had to nothing to unlock it.
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Alternatively can they not produce a "developer" edition of the Note 8 with no Knox at all and no locked bootloader?
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Alternatively can they not produce a "developer" edition of the Note 8 with no Knox at all and no locked bootloader?
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Exynos only option. They won't do that because they hate unlocked bootloaders. I am amazed international version has unlocked bootloaders. Probably because they can't it's not carrier locked. Legal reasons as well guessing. Sure that pisses off the manufactures, lol @ them.
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I thought I bought an international one the SM-N950U1 is carrier unlocked. The irony is that I bought in the US to spare 100-200$ but where I currently live they sell the Exynos variant.
It's such a shame they (Samsung) doesn't give us the option to choose if want Knox or not. I'll try to sell my phone and buy a rootable with unlocked bootloader phone the Exynos variant is a possibility. They lost me as a devoted customer I can tell you.
Anyhow from what I understand the Exynos variant had an unlocked bootloader in the first place. No one had to nothing to unlock it.
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It's not just Samsung bro. Pretty much all of them do it. Like I said before always stick to international with phones for unlocked bootloaders. Gotta find which version is bootloader unlocked 1st. Because you get screwed like you did. Especially if you care about root/roms. I myself knew I'd be screwed before even buying snapdragon Note 8. But carrier had best affordable payment plans.
$200 down and $20 month. Plus able to jump to new phone anytime. Hard to say no to that. This phone pricing ability due to carrier and packed features. Made it easy to over look root/rom. I miss Roms dearly though. Idc what anyone says Roms poop on ANY stock.
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Exynos only option. They won't do that because they hate unlocked bootloaders. I am amazed international version has unlocked bootloaders. Probably because they can't it's not carrier locked. Legal reasons as well guessing. Sure that pisses off the manufactures, lol @ them.
It's not just Samsung bro. Pretty much all of them do it. Like I said before always stick to international with phones for unlocked bootloaders. Especially if you care about root/roms. I myself knew I'd be screwed before even buying snapdragon Note 8. But carrier had best affordable payment plans.
$200 down and $20 month. Plus able to jump to new phone anytime. Hard to say no to that. This phone pricing ability due to carrier and packed features. Made it easy to over look root/rom. I miss Roms dearly though. Idc what anyone says Roms poop on ANY stock.
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Last Note with unlocked bootloader was the T Mobile Note 3 I owned.
I'm happy with stock N8 on tmo. Lots of "stuff" already can be done. I also use Substratum.
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Last Note with unlocked bootloader was the T Mobile Note 3 I owned.
I'm happy with stock N8 on tmo. Lots of "stuff" already can be done. I also use Substratum.
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Roms have come a long way since Note 3 lol. Not try sound like a smart AO to you. But when was last time used a Rom? Bro for example Res remix is breathtaking with the features. My last phone had that Rom. Made stock look like a welfare case.
Not going to lie Samsung does have best stock IMO out of other stock androids.
Hello. Is there already the possibility to root the S10 with Magisk or the like? Thank you
No
Why don't you read over the headlines of many other posts like this...there's also a huge threat about root
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Why don't you read over the headlines of many other posts like this...there's also a huge threat about root
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A THREAT? That was a funny typo. Yes, looks like TWRP & root are getting closer.
https://www.xda-developers.com/exynos-samsung-galaxy-s10-rooted-magisk/
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Haven't been in the Samsung community for very long. But curious why is the exy allowed root but the snapdragon not?
Thanks
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https://www.xda-developers.com/exynos-samsung-galaxy-s10-rooted-magisk/
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Haven't been in the Samsung community for very long. But curious why is the exy allowed root but the snapdragon not?
Thanks
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because in USA, there's a "free market" - carriers decide what phone you have. Carriers decide how many SIM cards you have. Carriers decide if you will root or not. It's that simple.:good:
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because in USA, there's a "free market" - carriers decide what phone you have. Carriers decide how many SIM cards you have. Carriers decide if you will root or not. It's that simple.:good:
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But if you buy unlocked from Samsung why can't you root? I would understand if you buy a carrier version.
I have a 6t on Verizon and can obviously root.
sruel3216 said:
But if you buy unlocked from Samsung why can't you root? I would understand if you buy a carrier version.
I have a 6t on Verizon and can obviously root.
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because the cartel is asking major manufacturers to bring such devices that will lock their customers in. In Asia, dual sim is the rule. In Europe, cartel was defeated on this matter as we finally getting dual SIM Samsung devices. But in USA, oops, you need the cartel to decide for you. Introducing 6T by TMobile was considered as "unthinkable" event by Forbes as they are so root friendly.. lol, you have to laugh. The market there is to lock the devices to single carrier (shady practice abandoned in Europe since 90s and is unlawful). They bloat the phones. They dictate single SIM models - hence you have always Samsungs model types dedicated to the US market (see gsmarena.com or phonedb.net for the respective codes). When someone throws an offer to eBay to sell phone, they better unlock it first (the practice not needed anywhere else). But won't get root on it (the practice only in USA). And you label your offer "Verizon Samsung XXX Unlocked" - like that phone is unlocked and still nead to bear the name of carrier? Probably some logos on it or unremovable software? Free market!
To summarize:
-carrier blocking: standard in USA, unlawful in Europe, rare in other countries
-root blocking: common in USA provided by some big manufacturers and now despotic Huawei
-forcing single sim models: standard in USA by giving offers to big manufacturers they can't refuse, laughably impossible in Asia (well, maybe iPhone), still common in Europe
-bloating and creating carrier-specific models: standard in USA, rare in other countries (and if they're, like Korea, HongKong, they are only enhanced!)
-putting physical carrier logos on hardware: standard in USA, not sure about other countries
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Tel864 said:
Because that unlocked phone will most likely be used for a US carrier, so they're locked down just as tight.
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Hmm wonder how OnePlus got around it. My 6t is on Verizon
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doggydog2 said:
because the cartel is asking major manufacturers to bring such devices that will lock their customers in. In Asia, dual sim is the rule. In Europe, cartel was defeated on this matter as we finally getting dual SIM Samsung devices. But in USA, oops, you need the cartel to decide for you. Introducing 6T by TMobile was considered as "unthinkable" event by Forbes as they are so root friendly.. lol, you have to laugh. The market there is to lock the devices to single carrier (shady practice abandoned in Europe since 90s and is unlawful). They bloat the phones. They dictate single SIM models - hence you have always Samsungs model types dedicated to the US market (see gsmarena.com or phonedb.net for the respective codes). When someone throws an offer to eBay to sell phone, they better unlock it first (the practice not needed anywhere else). But won't get root on it (the practice only in USA). And you label your offer "Verizon Samsung XXX Unlocked" - like that phone is unlocked and still nead to bear the name of carrier? Probably some logos on it or unremovable software? Free market!
To summarize:
-carrier blocking: standard in USA, unlawful in Europe, rare in other countries
-root blocking: common in USA provided by some big manufacturers and now despotic Huawei
-forcing single sim models: standard in USA by giving offers to big manufacturers they can't refuse, laughably impossible in Asia (well, maybe iPhone), still common in Europe
-bloating and creating carrier-specific models: standard in USA, rare in other countries (and if they're, like Korea, HongKong, they are only enhanced!)
-putting physical carrier logos on hardware: standard in USA, not sure about other countries
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Thanks for the info. I don't really need root these days but I like it which is why I have a 6t on Verizon. I'll be fine with out it once my S10 arrives, but would be nice.
So Samsung basically has a deal with all the US carriers to not allow unlocking, even if you by from samsung.com?
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Hmm wonder how OnePlus got around it. My 6t is on Verizon
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It's because it's Samsung, they seem to be the fair-haired child of phone companies. I used to do some Motorola development and I guess they are all unlockable still. You could take any Moto and do anything with it, but you never see those given away like Samsung and sometimes IPhone by the phone companies.
Tel864 said:
It's because it's Samsung, they seem to be the fair-haired child of phone companies. I used to do some Motorola development and I guess they are all unlockable still. You could take any Moto and do anything with it, but you never see those given away like Samsung and sometimes IPhone by the phone companies.
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This poster is correct Oneplus has a completely different ethos as a company they are more interested in their user base, whereas samsung are more interested in the carriers and the corporate base as such knox and locked bootloaders make their devices much more attractive to enterprise level corporation who are big in MDM and so on. Oneplus are just not going for that market as yet.
curioct said:
This poster is correct Oneplus has a completely different ethos as a company they are more interested in their user base, whereas samsung are more interested in the carriers and the corporate base as such knox and locked bootloaders make their devices much more attractive to enterprise level corporation who are big in MDM and so on. Oneplus are just not going for that market as yet.
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OnePlus will eventually get there if they grow big enough to where they sell phones in ATT and Verizon stores.
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daniel4653 said:
OnePlus will eventually get there if they grow big enough to where they sell phones in ATT and Verizon stores.
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Maybe but for me it isn't so much about the retail to consumers for me or the carriers per se, it is more about convincing enterprise customers your product is right for them.
Their price point to feature set combo might be compelling to businesses but the security provided by locked bootloaders and the knox platform makes samsung very very compelling in that market.
It will be interesting to see how their growth occurs. I very nearly went for the 6T this time personally but I don't accept a phone from my business and use my own because I don't want their MDM / security or to carry two devices so I stay BYOD.
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This poster is correct Oneplus has a completely different ethos as a company they are more interested in their user base, whereas samsung are more interested in the carriers and the corporate base as such knox and locked bootloaders make their devices much more attractive to enterprise level corporation who are big in MDM and so on. Oneplus are just not going for that market as yet.
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I see. I'll prob just keep my 6t and the S10 then. If I get the root itch I can get my fix still lol
I will start by saying i know that this has been done and that Samsung will never listen to us or that simply doesn't care but
I have started a campaign on Twitter i will write a request directed at Samsung Mobile and Samsung Mobile USA everyday until they block me or something else happens.
If you don't agree with me its really ok and i see your reasoning, but the purpose of this threat is to attach it on the Twitter request.
So i would like to invite you to join my request just by writing down on the thread with capital letters "UNLOCK OUR DEVICE"
For those who don't agree with me I would like that you don't write it here lets keep this thread clean and focused.
Let's hope that by doing the same thing we get different results.
Here is the link of the tweet i will be writing everyday:
https://twitter.com/Shkrepsja/status/1141086683770818562?s=19
Feel free to retweet it or disagree with me there
Thank you!:highfive:
They don't care. Only ones who they will listen to are the service providers and Verizon will tell them to lock it down even more
bignazpwns said:
They don't care. Only ones who they will listen to are the service providers and Verizon will tell them to lock it down even more
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I know but don't care i will continue doing that at least until they block me ?
If only someone with real influence could join you on Twitter.
alanifotis said:
I know but don't care i will continue doing that at least until they block me ?
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Its been done. It won't change anything until the provider tells them to. It's locked because of them. And they won't unlock it because you can just run features they charge for for free. It makes no sense for them to unlock it. People are going to keep buying the devices reguardless.
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If only someone with real influence could join you on Twitter.
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Its they have given up i guess but i won't
I don't why only Samsung does that man some say that is because of the carriers but i don't think saw because if you think about it OnePlus have a unlock bootloader. What does that mean OnePlus has bigger balls then Samsung?
bignazpwns said:
Its been done. It won't change anything until the provider tells them to. It's locked because of them. And they won't unlock it because you can just run features they charge for for free. It makes no sense for them to unlock it. People are going to keep buying the devices reguardless.
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OnePlus has an unlocked bootloader do you think they have bigger balls then Samsung?
alanifotis said:
OnePlus has an unlocked bootloader do you think they have bigger balls then Samsung?
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Probably. Even the T-Mobile version has one once you pay it off. That's most likely gonna be my next phone.
The_Keeper86 said:
Probably. Even the T-Mobile version has one once you pay it off. That's most likely gonna be my next phone.
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Thats exactly my point we pay almost 1000 $ for the phone we shouldn't have less options then OnePlus
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Thats exactly my point we pay almost 1000 $ for the phone we shouldn't have less options then OnePlus
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I totally agree man. It's a damn shame really. My first Note was the Note 5 straight from T-Mobile it had an unlocked bootloader. That was January 2016. I guess some laws changed since then? I don't know.
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I totally agree man. It's a damn shame really. My first Note was the Note 5 straight from T-Mobile it had an unlocked bootloader. That was January 2016. I guess some laws changed since then? I don't know.
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Even tmobile versions have locked bootloaders now. Idk about the law but if OnePlus Pixel LG have unlocked bootloaders we should have them too
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I totally agree man. It's a damn shame really. My first Note was the Note 5 straight from T-Mobile it had an unlocked bootloader. That was January 2016. I guess some laws changed since then? I don't know.
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No "law" has changed. Just company policy. If there was a "law" that changed, people wouldn't be able to unlock other phones, like OnePlus phones that are sold through T-Mobile. I unlocked my OnePlus 7 Pro easily. This locked bootloader BS is from Samsung and/or Qualcomm and/or T-Mobile policy.
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Even tmobile versions have locked bootloaders now. Idk about the law but if OnePlus Pixel LG have unlocked bootloaders we should have them too
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Include John Legere(?) Or however his name is spelt. The CEO of TMobile. I remember on the Note 5 someone tweeted him about a bootloader unlock and he tweeted Samsung. Lol. Wait, that might have been the Note 8. I don't remember, but tweet him either way.
but....you can already unlock the bootloader. just not on north american carrier models.
( strangely in south america and China the same SOC (snapdragon) can be unlocked. and of course the exynos model too...i wonder why... how can it be that the reset of the WHOLE PLANET HAS UNLOCKABLE BOOTLAODERS...lol ..i really wonder why.....
but seriously its prety obvious to me)
that's 'merican freedom for ya.( lol funny how a communist country has better rights in certain aspects of life)
so do the logical thing, read up on the subject and petition the carriers instead ( they are the true culprits obviously). ( while ure at it petition all that is bad about em like price of contracts and such)
as it stands OPs 'efforts' are a big waste of time.
Jammol said:
Include John Legere(?) Or however his name is spelt. The CEO of TMobile. I remember on the Note 5 someone tweeted him about a bootloader unlock and he tweeted Samsung. Lol. Wait, that might have been the Note 8. I don't remember, but tweet him either way.
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I will on tomorrow's tweet
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but....you can already unlock the bootloader. just not on north american carrier models.
( strangely in south america and China the same SOC (snapdragon) can be unlocked. and of course the exynos model too...i wonder why... how can it be that the reset of the WHOLE PLANET HAS UNLOCKABLE BOOTLAODERS...lol ..i really wonder why.....
but seriously its prety obvious to me)
that's 'merican freedom for ya.( lol funny how a communist country has better rights in certain aspects of life)
so do the logical thing, read up on the subject and petition the carriers instead ( they are the true culprits obviously). ( while ure at it petition all that is bad about em like price of contracts and such)
as it stands OPs 'efforts' are a big waste of time.
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Idk man but i don't think that the carrier's are to blame Samsung makes the devices and should have the ball to say this my device if you want you sell it as it is. You see iPhone's, pixels onepluses etc with no bloatware and unlocked bootloader and the biggest smartphone manufacturer has bloats and no unlocked bootloader
SAMSUNG SERIOUSLY STEP UP AND BE A MAN GROW A PAIR OF BALLS
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Idk man but i don't think that the carrier's are to blame Samsung makes the devices and should have the ball to say this my device if you want you sell it as it is. You see iPhone's, pixels onepluses etc with no bloatware and unlocked bootloader and the biggest smartphone manufacturer has bloats and no unlocked bootloader
SAMSUNG SERIOUSLY STEP UP AND BE A MAN GROW A PAIR OF BALLS
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well the n960u1 firmware has no bloat...
and the iphone is locked tighter than... lol i wont go there.
its the carriers trust me. they require samsung to put the bloat as part of the deal. its in the contract they have with samsung and they require them to locked it down and bloat it up. samsung won't make 2 phones available for a region. they produce the hardware and slap on the csc and other crap. thats why the U1 is bloatless( sammy bought device directly) but locked because its a requirement by the providers because that device will end up on an north America provider. it represents millions of dollars if not more to get these devices onto the market and into shady carrier plans. why would samsung refuse this business/contract? i mean if someone gives me 20 000$ to piss in some one's porch, as morally wrong rhat may be, id probaly do it because we're all in the money making business unfortunately.
again this practice of not allowing a bootloader to be unlocked is very different for the rest of the world. i reiterate, apart from north america, every single device samsung produces for the planet can get their bootloader unlocked.
isint that proof enough ?
id take it up with the carriers and ure state law office instead.
again, samsung is only producing fones in accordance with the carrier's ruling. its like buying a car second hand and the original owner payed extra for some stupid spoiler or something and you as the 3nd party goes back to the dealership and blames the dealer for it... they just abide to the order.
moreover, i wouldint be surprised the united states fcc and carriers have some sort of agreement that is not public or you have to be a lawyer to read the fine print and hundreds of pages that stipulates why the device's bootloader is not allowed to be unlocked. its politics and money related for sure.
are you surpised? that's 'merica for ya.
anyways ill say it again. people should just stop buing NA devices.
also here is proof that its the providers:
alot of them wont allow you to use advanced csc features like wifi calling and volte on 'greymarket' devices. they even made up a term for it because they didnt get a piece of the pie when u buy a device that is not carrier bought ie: international version.
when u buy a car second hand or that is from an other country, does the state roads bureau say no you cant drive it? or no you cant modify it? of course not. you pay taxes and have a permit that enables you to drive it.
so by paying good money monthly to have a line and data plan, they should be doing these shady practices that the rest of the world dont do.
businesses own America.(and canada)
What's the point considering how difficult they make it even with s10 series exynos. Think I might get off the Sammy train next, as I require root for all my devices and note 10 exynos will be just as difficult as s10 series is at this point, with virtually no development.
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Idan73 said:
What's the point considering how difficult they make it even with s10 series exynos. Think I might get off the Sammy train next, as I require root for all my devices and note 10 exynos will be just as difficult as s10 series is at this point, with virtually no development.
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i get where ure coming from.
but unlocking the BL is but half of the task. but i mean we're just the users using what ever means other people find and develop to gain root access. how hard or how skillful these people that are developping and contributing to get recovery and root this time around i dont know. The ease at which the s7, s8...etc were overcome by, may be a pure fluke. maybe there is just less intrest for doing so on these devices than before. with all the new companies, there are no longer the top 3 manufactures that made it more likely that people would choose samsung to develop on.
but if I'm not mistaken the problem or should i say difficulty with the s10 is the recovery and the handoff/subsequent boot process to homescreen. purely speaking about root, i think top john woo came up with the method prety quickly. but as someone that likes flashing roms and zips, recovery is a very big part of the root/recovery double edged sword. but as anything else, since the methods have changed abit, there are always things to overcome at first. what is not bad about this scenario is that the s10 helped bring those hurdles months ago to light and i think that this will help speed up things for the note 10(compared to the s10). but all in all it does slow things down regarding development, that i agree. but ireally think thats because the interest of devs and the fact that the market is being flooded by:
more different models and sub models and more phone companies than before, thus diluting the dev base in more fractionated parties... and ive heard also people saying that they dont even feel the need to root and all that comes with it anymore. for me though, lol that's not the case.
anyways, i guess we'll see when we get there...( august ? lol)
As i said it's not that i disagree but we must do our part
At least i will and lets hope we achieve something