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Okay so a local Verizon authorized retailer is selling 16GB Moto X for $1 for new customers and for existing Verizon customers who are upgrade ready. I asked the guy if there were any catches, how it works with Verizon and all with future upgrades, he said there's no strings, they just upgrade through Verizon and I purchase the device from him instead of Verizon.
So... can someone tell me if this plan will NOT work?
1. Family member is eligible for upgrade, already has 2GB data plan. Go into store and upgrade to Moto X for $1 and extend Verizon contract for 2 years.
2. On Verizon account, swap family member's new Moto X and my device (Galaxy Nexus, unlimited data still).
3. Buy Developer Edition Moto X from Motorola off contract at $550
4. Active Developer Edition Moto X on my account.
5. Sell the $1 Moto X on Swappa or like
All of this so I could get a Dev Edition Moto X and keep unlimited data for only about $201 assuming I can sell the 16GB $1 Moto X for maybe $350. Family member gets upgraded from Droid X to my Galaxy Nexus. Come March of this year, move my upgrade to family member's account if they don't like my Galaxy Nexus.
I called Verizon, the rep assured me there's no difference in buying and renewing contract at retailer versus at Verizon.
It seems like a bargain... what am I missing?
If you are using a family member's upgrade to receive the Moto X for $1 through the retailer, then yes, this will work. It's exactly like doing a buddy upgrade swap directly through Verizon. It is suggested that you activate the Moto X on your family member's line first, before you swap the device over to your line though, just to make sure Verizon processes the device upgrade on their line.
Yes, on our family plan, one of the lines is eligible for a discounted upgrade. So I'd go with them to store, upgrade/active the $1 Moto X, then maybe a day later login to Verizon account, swap phones with that line so now I have the Moto X and they have my Galaxy Nexus. Then I'd buy a developer edition Moto X at full price. Once it arrives, active it on my line. Then sell the original $1 Moto X on Swappa or somewhere to recoup costs on the Developer Edition Moto X I purchased. Then, if needed, I could also give my upgrade (coming in March) to the other line I used to get the Moto X for $1 in case they aren't happy with my old Galaxy Nexus, but probably won't be an issue, they're coming from a Droid X on 3G.
So I should be safe and fair game right?
just make sure you activate the phone on the # you got the upgrade for BEFORE you put it on the unlimited plan. i just did it with verizon. used my dads upgrade, activated on his #, went to verizon and then moved it to my unlimited plan.
Mike7143 said:
Okay so a local Verizon authorized retailer is selling 16GB Moto X for $1 for new customers and for existing Verizon customers who are upgrade ready. I asked the guy if there were any catches, how it works with Verizon and all with future upgrades, he said there's no strings, they just upgrade through Verizon and I purchase the device from him instead of Verizon.
So... can someone tell me if this plan will NOT work?
1. Family member is eligible for upgrade, already has 2GB data plan. Go into store and upgrade to Moto X for $1 and extend Verizon contract for 2 years.
2. On Verizon account, swap family member's new Moto X and my device (Galaxy Nexus, unlimited data still).
3. Buy Developer Edition Moto X from Motorola off contract at $550
4. Active Developer Edition Moto X on my account.
5. Sell the $1 Moto X on Swappa or like
All of this so I could get a Dev Edition Moto X and keep unlimited data for only about $201 assuming I can sell the 16GB $1 Moto X for maybe $350. Family member gets upgraded from Droid X to my Galaxy Nexus. Come March of this year, move my upgrade to family member's account if they don't like my Galaxy Nexus.
I called Verizon, the rep assured me there's no difference in buying and renewing contract at retailer versus at Verizon.
It seems like a bargain... what am I missing?
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Make sure this retailer doesn't have "charge backs" meaning they charge your credit card the full retail price of the phone if you take it off your account. I used to work at a retailer and this was something I was in charge of doing, seeing where we lost commission.
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justinisloco said:
Make sure this retailer doesn't have "charge backs" meaning they charge your credit card the full retail price of the phone if you take it off your account. I used to work at a retailer and this was something I was in charge of doing, seeing where we lost commission.
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Ooh, okay, see that's good to know. So you're saying I'd probably be safe if after upgrading I swapped, but if I sell it and it shows up on another different Verizon account, there's a chance that they would then they bill you for the phone afterwards?
Doesn't seem right, if they're selling the device for $1.... Do retailers have the ability to track MEID numbers for this? Or do they just hit up Verizon all the time to check if phones have changed accounts?
How would I find out if they have charge backs?
After some reading, it sounds like you'd only get a chargeback if the line you upgraded on is cancelled, as in you sign up with Verizon, 2 years later you're eligible for upgrade, walk into retailer, upgrade line, then close VZW account and run off with device. Which is dumb anyway cause you'd have to pay the ETF, unless I guess you're planning to sell your contract and port your number over to a different service. So if I'm just upgrading the line, swapping phones, activating a new device on my line, upgraded line is still active, and sell the $1 moto x....
I assume I'd be fine then? as long as whoever I sell the moto X to doesn't cancel their contract??? Or as long as the line that was upgraded is still "on" then it wouldn't matter?
I found a post on HowardForums, google search howard forums chargebacks and it's the first link from about 2010, can't post links yet that talks about this.
Anything else someone can think of? I'm kinda out of ideas.
Just one note: If the upgrade line that you have coming up in March is the unlimited data line, you CANNOT ever use that upgrade, including transferring it to another line, AND keep unlimited data. When you transfer the upgrade you are effectively renewing the contract and they won't do that with the grandfathered unlimited data lines.
So if your friend/family member is not happy with the Nex, you won't be able to get a new phone for them with that upgrade. That is what I've been told at Verizon and read on this forum. If someone else has different info, please post, I'd love to be wrong!
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TwinsMom said:
Just one note: If the upgrade line that you have coming up in March is the unlimited data line, you CANNOT ever use that upgrade, including transferring it to another line, AND keep unlimited data. When you transfer the upgrade you are effectively renewing the contract and they won't do that with the grandfathered unlimited data lines.
So if your friend/family member is not happy with the Nex, you won't be able to get a new phone for them with that upgrade. That is what I've been told at Verizon and read on this forum. If someone else has different info, please post, I'd love to be wrong!
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you can transfer upgrade to and from an unlimited line without loosing unlimited. you just cannot upgrade on the unlimited line.
Ooh, that's good to know, or at least something to watch out for. So come March when I'm eligible, it sounds like if I want to transfer my upgrade to the line I used to get the moto x, there's a change I'd lose unlimited data? Doesn't seem like I should, but maybe. I'd think it'd just renew my account for another 2, give them the upgrade, but... then how does that work? If line 1 just upgraded to moto x therefore renewing for another 2, what happens when I transfer my upgrade in march? can they just not use it for 2 years still? or is it a "free pass" to get two discounted devices in a row on that line?
Just make sure he doesn't do a straight cross upgrade. He needs to do a regular upgrade on the line with 2 gigs then an equipment change to put it onto your line. An alternate/cross upgrade will kill your unlimited data and Verizon will not give it back
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enik_fox said:
Just make sure he doesn't do a straight cross upgrade. He needs to do a regular upgrade on the line with 2 gigs then an equipment change to put it onto your line. An alternate/cross upgrade will kill your unlimited data and Verizon will not give it back.
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Thanks! I plan to just do a regular upgrade with the one line that already has a 2GB/mo plan. Activate it there in the store and then leave. I'll do the swapping myself via the Verizon page where you enter the MEID numbers and junk, that way Best Buy doesn't mess anything up. That should work right?
Then simply purchase the dev edition, activate it on my account, then sell off the Best Buy moto x to recoupe costs.
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I just had to call Verizon to unlock my account and happened to ask the guy about swapping phones on the website after upgrading the one line, he said not to do that because it treats swapping phones like that as somehow upgrading both? So instead the guy told me to call Verizon back after just upgrading the one line to swap devices and they'd guarantee I don't lose unlimited data. Hmm...
Mike7143 said:
Thanks! I plan to just do a regular upgrade with the one line that already has a 2GB/mo plan. Activate it there in the store and then leave. I'll do the swapping myself via the Verizon page where you enter the MEID numbers and junk, that way Best Buy doesn't mess anything up. That should work right?
Then simply purchase the dev edition, activate it on my account, then sell off the Best Buy moto x to recoupe costs.
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You will need to buy another nano Sim then. When you deactivate it then put it on your line it will burn the nanosim in the phone itself and won't be able to be used again.
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Well, I did the deed. Went into the store and upgraded the other line to the moto x for $1, had the guy activate it and that was it. About an hour and a half later, I called Verizon and we spent about half hour on the phone swapping phones. Moto x is now on my line with its warranty and Gnex is transferred to the just updated line, 2GB data plan and I'm still on unlimited data. No new sims, no fuss, just a half hour conversation with a nice lady telling me about her warm fur coat while waiting for the phones to swap... Purchased my dev edition moto x already... all that's left is to activate it once it's here, then sell off the 16gb moto x as well as this old Droid X that was left behind in the process.
Best part was when they told me the device was $49.99 and the $1 sale was over and I told them well the sign says $1... they had forgotten to take down a sign at a dedicated Moto X display... win.
So far I'm loving my Developer Edition Moto X! Ordered it and it arrived 2 days later. Successfully have transferred all the phones around and still have my unlimited data plan. Now I just need to sell off the non-developer moto x as well as an old Droid X to recoup costs! Thanks for the input from everyone!
Thanks everyone for the help. I'm a few weeks in now and everything worked out great. Much appreciated! Hopefully this helps others in the same boat unless Verizon changes their policies.
Did you sell the Dev edition?
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I have an unused Moto Maker redemption code for a Verizon X and want an unlocked X that can be used on T-Mobile or ATT. I'm willing to include cash on top. If someone is trustworthy and willing, I'll redeem the code to your specs and after they deliver (per Moto's rules, it has to be delivered to my address) we can work out the trade.
Thanks!
Try that deal in a buy and sell. Regular folk that know nothing of root would maybe like it. Trade them a custom moto maker the way they want for a used t-mobile. You might want to offer to sim unlock it too. If you can on moto maker? Then you're set.
Problem asking here, is EVERYBODY here wants to be unlocked. Lol
KJ said:
Try that deal in a buy and sell. Regular folk that know nothing of root would maybe like it. Trade them a custom moto maker the way they want for a used t-mobile. You might want to offer to sim unlock it too. If you can on moto maker? Then you're set.
Problem asking here, is EVERYBODY here wants to be unlocked. Lol
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Good point and thanks for the tip! Unfortunately sim unlock is not an option that I'm aware of.
There must be someone out there wanting to come to big red...
suhsix said:
Good point and thanks for the tip! Unfortunately sim unlock is not an option that I'm aware of.
There must be someone out there wanting to come to big red...
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Just FYI, the Verizon XT1060 is already SIM-Unlocked and will work on T-Mobile and AT&T. There are a few caveats, however.
You can only have voice OR data working, and not both at the same time (on GSM). Also, the phone only supports some of the GSM data frequencies (but all of the voice frequencies). Because of this, you may only be able to get EDGE data in some areas.
Also, consider listing on swappa (XDA's official marketplace). You might look through the listings for the GSM unlocked versions, and message the sellers to see if they would consider your trade...
Good Luck
Just want to make sure I am correct in my thinking here. I am on ATT. Can I go buy a Tmobile Moto X and pop an ATT micro sim in and have a pure edition phone? Is it that easy? Trying to avoid the shipping delays by picking one up in town.
There is no MotoX for sale in a Tmobile store. You have to order from motomaker to get one.
I'm not a 100%, but I think you can except for the SIM card. The Moto X requires a "nano" SIM (it's even smaller than the micro sim). You'll need to get a new nano sim from ATT. Additionally, the PURE edition doesn't seem to have all the LTE radio bands that the ATT version has. I'm not sure if that's going to cause any problems, although the PURE edition is eventually supposed to get an OTA update that will add additional LTE radio bands.
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Just want to make sure I am correct in my thinking here. I am on ATT. Can I go buy a Tmobile Moto X and pop an ATT micro sim in and have a pure edition phone? Is it that easy? Trying to avoid the shipping delays by picking one up in town.
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nimper said:
There is no MotoX for sale in a Tmobile store. You have to order from motomaker to get one.
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Correct, TMO does not sell the device in store and there is a planned OTA to enable all radio bands that the AT&T version has. Sorry, no way to avoid motomaker shipping times if you want a sim unlocked, non-carrier molested version
Which means no subsidized price either?
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Which means no subsidized price either?
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That's correct.
Yes, but it appears ATT are having troubles. If you already have ATT and a 4g LTE phone, then you just need to get a nano-sim with your old apportioning. The problem appears to be that ATT hasn't put the pure version in their database as recognized 4G phones. They work fine, but you can't set up a new account on one without tricking the system. The boards over at Motorola are talking about this.
Hi,
I have read several threads about this, so I have a basic idea of what will happen, but I just want some specific answers to a few things. Sorry if these particular questions have been addressed already.
I am a long time verizon subscriber. I am on a Nationwide Talk & Text plan with my family. I am not the primary line on the account. I still have unlimited data that I would like to hold on to. My Moto X (1st Gen DE) just took a swim in the washing machine so it's time to upgrade. I would ideally like to get the 64GB N6 from google or moto, but I would settle for the official VZW version if the non-VZW complicates things too much.
So here are my questions:
I know that if I buy from Google/Moto, then the phone will be listed as a non-verizon device. I have seen people talk about how this will make it difficult to change plan options. Is this only the case if my line were the primary line (it isn't)? Or will this cause issues for my family members too if they decide to change things?
I have a nano-sim already from my MotoX. Would activation be easiest if I just popped that into my N6? I know people have had to fight with activating new SIM cards, I just want to know if I have anything in store for me with using my existing SIM card.
Thanks!
dcoryh192 said:
I know that if I buy from Google/Moto, then the phone will be listed as a non-verizon device. I have seen people talk about how this will make it difficult to change plan options. Is this only the case if my line were the primary line (it isn't)? Or will this cause issues for my family members too if they decide to change things?
I have a nano-sim already from my MotoX. Would activation be easiest if I just popped that into my N6? I know people have had to fight with activating new SIM cards, I just want to know if I have anything in store for me with using my existing SIM card.
Thanks!
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1st question: I'm not sure.
2nd question: No activation required. Just put your MotoX SIM in your N6.
3rd answer to unasked question: Be aware that only the IMEI for VZW devices are white listed. This means you won't receive a BYOD discount if you activate a non VZW version.
dcoryh192 said:
Hi,
I have read several threads about this, so I have a basic idea of what will happen, but I just want some specific answers to a few things. Sorry if these particular questions have been addressed already.
I am a long time verizon subscriber. I am on a Nationwide Talk & Text plan with my family. I am not the primary line on the account. I still have unlimited data that I would like to hold on to. My Moto X (1st Gen DE) just took a swim in the washing machine so it's time to upgrade. I would ideally like to get the 64GB N6 from google or moto, but I would settle for the official VZW version if the non-VZW complicates things too much.
So here are my questions:
I know that if I buy from Google/Moto, then the phone will be listed as a non-verizon device. I have seen people talk about how this will make it difficult to change plan options. Is this only the case if my line were the primary line (it isn't)? Or will this cause issues for my family members too if they decide to change things?
I have a nano-sim already from my MotoX. Would activation be easiest if I just popped that into my N6? I know people have had to fight with activating new SIM cards, I just want to know if I have anything in store for me with using my existing SIM card.
Thanks!
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Technically VZW reserves the right to give you trouble anytime it's not a VZW device. Interestingly enough the new legal precendence requires carriers to allow their devices to be carrier unlocked, but does not require them to accept devices on to their network whenever they see fit. Its sort of hit and miss. There are a lot of folks who have the GPE version and no issues, others that have had a lot of issue. The "safest" bet is to get a VZW N6 at retail and roll with it.
SIMs are typically swappable, so long as they are the same form factor. I just got my N6 Friday and took the SIM out of my old phone, put it right in my N6. The switch over was without issue.
Thanks for the guidance!
cam30era said:
3rd answer to unasked question: Be aware that only the IMEI for VZW devices are white listed. This means you won't receive a BYOD discount if you activate a non VZW version.
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Apparently the BYOD discount (technically just "out-of-contract" discount, apparently) doesn't apply on my old NationWide plan, so this isn't really an issue unless we upgrade to MoreEverything. I don't remember whether it is possible to upgrade the plan and keep unlimited data.
NetworkingPro said:
There are a lot of folks who have the GPE version and no issues, others that have had a lot of issue. The "safest" bet is to get a VZW N6 at retail and roll with it.
SIMs are typically swappable, so long as they are the same form factor. I just got my N6 Friday and took the SIM out of my old phone, put it right in my N6. The switch over was without issue.
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Both the MotoX and N6 have nano-sims, so no cutting required. Just out of curiosity, are you running the VZW or GPE?
dcoryh192 said:
Thanks for the guidance!
Apparently the BYOD discount (technically just "out-of-contract" discount, apparently) doesn't apply on my old NationWide plan, so this isn't really an issue unless we upgrade to MoreEverything. I don't remember whether it is possible to upgrade the plan and keep unlimited data.
Both the MotoX and N6 have nano-sims, so no cutting required. Just out of curiosity, are you running the VZW or GPE?
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VZW Version
dcoryh192 said:
Thanks for the guidance!
Apparently the BYOD discount (technically just "out-of-contract" discount, apparently) doesn't apply on my old NationWide plan, so this isn't really an issue unless we upgrade to MoreEverything. I don't remember whether it is possible to upgrade the plan and keep unlimited data.
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No, you'll loose unlimited data if you change to the Edge plan.
Welcome. And BTW; there's a button for that.
Thanks again for the help!
I think I will go with the unlocked version from Moto. If I have issues with Verizon, then I can return it within 14 days and go back to the VZW Edition.
Yes, I searched. And yes, I realize this may be a trivial question. But I've done no tinkering on my past 2 phones so real rusty on anything other than VZW purchased phones.
First, I live in a VZW-only area, so different carriers is not an option. And its time for me to do a phone upgrade. Because we're on a tight budget, the Motorola Moto G6 seems the best option for a new phone with warranty.
QUESTION: For any of you that purchased the Moto G6 unlocked from Motorola, Amazon, etc. (not the Play, etc etc) for use on Verizon using your existing SIM card, have you had any problem getting the phone to work correctly on Verizon?
The reason I ask is purchasing the G6 on Verizon is $240 + $30 upgrade + free shipping = $270 vs. on Motorola the unlocked G6 is currently $229 + free shipping = $229 ... then just swap my SIM card and do the phone switch on the VZW site.
I'm not a VZW user, but I did some digging for you.
Verizon uses 3 LTE antenna bands -- 2, 4, and 13 -- all of which the Moto G6 has. So, you should be fine as long as the service is good.
Here are the sources if you wish to take a look for yourself:
https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g6-9000.php
https://www.frequencycheck.com/carriers/verizon-wireless-united-states
It should work but keep in mind you will probably never see custom roms specific that device. It does have the ability to root and use twrp if memory serves me right. With that you can install Generic System Images from the Treble Development forum here. These are a new rom format that are universally compatible with devices shipping with Android 8 and newer. Because of the universal format, and it's a newer way of making roms, not everything may work.
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JoeGatto said:
I'm not a VZW user, but I did some digging for you.
Verizon uses 3 LTE antenna bands -- 2, 4, and 13 -- all of which the Moto G6 has. So, you should be fine as long as the service is good.
Here are the sources if you wish to take a look for yourself:
https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g6-9000.php
https://www.frequencycheck.com/carriers/verizon-wireless-united-states
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Thanks! Appreciate this info ... its something I used to check into but being so rusty on stock phones, didn't even think about the various bands. Glad to have those links!
cvhovey said:
Yes, I searched. And yes, I realize this may be a trivial question. But I've done no tinkering on my past 2 phones so real rusty on anything other than VZW purchased phones.
First, I live in a VZW-only area, so different carriers is not an option. And its time for me to do a phone upgrade. Because we're on a tight budget, the Motorola Moto G6 seems the best option for a new phone with warranty.
QUESTION: For any of you that purchased the Moto G6 unlocked from Motorola, Amazon, etc. (not the Play, etc etc) for use on Verizon using your existing SIM card, have you had any problem getting the phone to work correctly on Verizon?
The reason I ask is purchasing the G6 on Verizon is $240 + $30 upgrade + free shipping = $270 vs. on Motorola the unlocked G6 is currently $229 + free shipping = $229 ... then just swap my SIM card and do the phone switch on the VZW site.
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i use straight talk through the verizon network on my retail -6 g6. works perfectly. just pull the trigger as long as its not the amazon version. i got mine at best buy for 250$
Dadud said:
i use straight talk through the verizon network on my retail -6 g6. works perfectly. just pull the trigger as long as its not the amazon version. i got mine at best buy for 250$
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Thx! And, yeah, I did a quick look at the Amazon version ... and ran the opposite direction.
cvhovey said:
Yes, I searched. And yes, I realize this may be a trivial question. But I've done no tinkering on my past 2 phones so real rusty on anything other than VZW purchased phones.
First, I live in a VZW-only area, so different carriers is not an option. And its time for me to do a phone upgrade. Because we're on a tight budget, the Motorola Moto G6 seems the best option for a new phone with warranty.
QUESTION: For any of you that purchased the Moto G6 unlocked from Motorola, Amazon, etc. (not the Play, etc etc) for use on Verizon using your existing SIM card, have you had any problem getting the phone to work correctly on Verizon?
The reason I ask is purchasing the G6 on Verizon is $240 + $30 upgrade + free shipping = $270 vs. on Motorola the unlocked G6 is currently $229 + free shipping = $229 ... then just swap my SIM card and do the phone switch on the VZW site.
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I use an unlocked Moto G6 I bought from Target on Verizon, I went into a corporate store, ported my number from ATT to Verizon and had no issues, everything works, volte, visual voicemail, ect.
luigi90210 said:
I use an unlocked Moto G6 I bought from Target on Verizon, I went into a corporate store, ported my number from ATT to Verizon and had no issues, everything works, volte, visual voicemail, ect.
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Thx ... I'm going ahead to get this phone!