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Specially while playing HD games like Modern Combat 4, The Dark Knight Rises, N.O.V.A 4 etc..............
My phone doesn't get hot more then 38-40 *C even after half and hour of HD gaming.
But I still want to know exactly what might be the max CPU and Battery Temperature limit?
Thank you.
I have T, but it's very similar phone.
The limit for the battery is around 60°C and for CPU it's around 100°C. Every temperature beyond the limit causes the phone to shut down.
Of course it's a softwate feature and you can disable this by deleting sysmon.cfg file in /system/etc but it's highly dangerous and completely unrecommended.
Hope this helps you!
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i don't think you have to start a new thread to ask other question, just ask in your previous thread.
and tx(all xperia maybe) have some overheating control app in system that monitoring the thermal of the device ..you don't need to worry about it
romcio47 said:
I have T, but it's very similar phone.
The limit for the battery is around 60°C and for CPU it's around 100°C. Every temperature beyond the limit causes the phone to shut down.
Of course it's a softwate feature and you can disable this by deleting sysmon.cfg file in /system/etc but it's highly dangerous and completely unrecommended.
Hope this helps you!
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Thank you very much. I don't worry about the temperature. But when HD gaming, i'm a little worried about the screen, cuz it gets hot too. I hope the temperature won't do any harm to my TX's screen.
I think the T and TX housing is too close to the Processor that's why it gets a little hotter rather then other phone. :cyclops:
Don't worry about the screen. It will be ok but remember not to heat your phone for a very long time because then it may damage.
Besides just take a look at PC's LCD monitors. Touch it and you will see it's pretty warm too It's normal.
And the last thing - the brighter your screen is, the faster your phone gets hot!
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Don't worry about the screen. It will be ok but remember not to heat your phone for a very long time because then it may damage.
Besides just take a look at PC's LCD monitors. Touch it and you will see it's pretty warm too It's normal.
And the last thing - the brighter your screen is, the faster your phone gets hot!
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Thnaks for ur help. My Xperia TX never gets hot or even a little warm while Charging, Seeing Movie or Browsing. Just gets hot when high HD gaming. I am a Android game lover.
So can you tell me some ways to keep my Xperia TX as cool as possible while HD gaming.
Yes, here are some things I keep on using:
1. Lower screen's brightness when you don't need to have it bright.
2. Don't play while charging.
3. Downclock your CPU - f.e. from 1,5 GHz to 1,1 or 1,2 (don't use 1,0 GHz on JB because your phone will start to lag!). The games will still run and very good speed. In fact I don't see any differences between 1,5 GHz and 1,2 GHz especially in games like Modern Combat 4, Carmageddon etc. Your CPU will start to heat much slower.
4. Undervolt your CPU.
5. Don't play with any case etc. Another thing that "helpes" the heat not to escape out of your phone.
My setup is JB 9.1.A.0.140, 1,2 GHz, Ondemand, CFQ, UV -75mV.
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Yes, here are some things I keep on using:
1. Lower screen's brightness when you don't need to have it bright.
2. Don't play while charging.
3. Downclock your CPU - f.e. from 1,5 GHz to 1,1 or 1,2 (don't use 1,0 GHz on JB because your phone will start to lag!). The games will still run and very good speed. In fact I don't see any differences between 1,5 GHz and 1,2 GHz especially in games like Modern Combat 4, Carmageddon etc. Your CPU will start to heat much slower.
4. Undervolt your CPU.
5. Don't play with any case etc. Another thing that "helpes" the heat not to escape out of your phone.
My setup is JB 9.1.A.0.140, 1,2 GHz, Ondemand, CFQ, UV -75mV.
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I think the heating issue is common in all modern smartphones. I used HTC Smartphone like HTC Evo 3D, HTC Desire HD but they never gets hot no matter what you do with the phone. Even after hours of gaming battery temperature shows maximum 31-32 *C.
Thank you again mate. :laugh:
Well that's pretty interesting
Maybe yhese smartphones have pretty big space between the CPU and the battery so even when the CPU heats up it does not heat the battery.
On the Xperia T it's very close to the battery and not covered with any radiator or a piece of metal etc so the heat can easily "access" the battery and heat it up.
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romcio47 said:
Well that's pretty interesting
Maybe yhese smartphones have pretty big space between the CPU and the battery so even when the CPU heats up it does not heat the battery.
On the Xperia T it's very close to the battery and not covered with any radiator or a piece of metal etc so the heat can easily "access" the battery and heat it up.
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Hey its strange that if I use back cover(costly one) after some time battery temperature shows 29 and if I remove the cover it shows 30. Why is that? :cyclops:
irfan_omi22 said:
Hey its strange that if I use back cover(costly one) after some time battery temperature shows 29 and if I remove the cover it shows 30. Why is that? :cyclops:
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Maybe some heat gets radiated to the cover..
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What is temperature limit for xperia m4? I ask because it becomes hot even when i play hill climb racing.
Does the Xperia SP handle most highend- games directly out of the box?
Or it requires some rooting, flashing etc.
I'm going to buy the phone soon..
Any recommendations accepted too..
4.3 [207/205] have ram problems. It fc most games. But in custom roms everything seems be okay. Recently I flashed mokee[4.4.4, ubl] and everything is perfect[battery lasts as good as 4.3 or even better, perfomance much better....]. If you want to stay with stock or stock based rom I didn't suggest you to buy xperia SP.
cabba403 said:
Does the Xperia SP handle most highend- games directly out of the box?
Or it requires some rooting, flashing etc.
I'm going to buy the phone soon..
Any recommendations accepted too..
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Well, let me put it like that. Our phone has about 60-65% of the GPU power the latest phones (The one with Adreno 330), our GPU has to render exactly half the pixels cause we have 720p display compare to 1080p. And that's indeed the case. In benchmarks Xperia SP has the same fps (frames per second) as HTC One M8, Xperia Z2, etc. ±10%
So, yes.
I myself am playing Asphalt 8, Dungeon Hunter 4, Dead Trigger 2 on highest setting with smooth gameplay and zero lag.
When it comes to "Stock vs custom ROM/kernel" performance, I'd say that there is significant no difference. Custom kernels give you a little bit CPU boost, but that doesn't really affects games, while custom ROMs's performance isn't as good as the stock one, since Sony didn't provide us with the source and we have to use hacks, in order to be able to run 4.4+.
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4.3 [207/205] have ram problems. It fc most games. But in custom roms everything seems be okay. Recently I flashed mokee[4.4.4, ubl] and everything is perfect[battery lasts as good as 4.3 or even better, perfomance much better....]. If you want to stay with stock or stock based rom I didn't suggest you to buy xperia SP.
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The problem is on your end. I was with stock ROM for over a month before switching to Custom ROM and I had no issues what so ever. Please don't spread false information.
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Well, let me put it like that. Our phone has about 60-65% of the GPU power the latest phones (The one with Adreno 330), our GPU has to render exactly half the pixels cause we have 720p display compare to 1080p. And that's indeed the case. In benchmarks Xperia SP has the same fps (frames per second) as HTC One M8, Xperia Z2, etc. ±10%
So, yes.
I myself am playing Asphalt 8, Dungeon Hunter 4, Dead Trigger 2 on highest setting with smooth gameplay and zero lag.
When it comes to "Stock vs custom ROM/kernel" performance, I'd say that there is significant no difference. Custom kernels give you a little bit CPU boost, but that doesn't really affects games, while custom ROMs's performance isn't as good as the stock one, since Sony didn't provide us with the source and we have to use hacks, in order to be able to run 4.4+.
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Yes, you can play most high end games but stock rom ram managment are sh*t. After 24h~ usage free ram left 220-150mb most~. I tried "play" with ram manager but It didn't help.
Klaudas said:
Yes, you can play most high end games but stock rom ram managment are sh*t. After 24h~ usage free ram left 220-150mb most~. I tried "play" with ram manager but It didn't help.
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Just because you don't know how to operate with your phone, that doesn't mean that the phone/ROM is bad. Even with stock ROM I had 250~300MB of free RAM with SwiftKey, NovaLauncher, WidgetLocker, Viber, WhatsApp, few xposed modules, etc.
As I said, the problem is/was on your end...
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Just because you don't know how to operate with your phone, that doesn't mean that the phone/ROM is bad. Even with stock ROM I had 250~300MB of free RAM with SwiftKey, NovaLauncher, WidgetLocker, Viber, WhatsApp, few xposed modules, etc.
As I said, the problem is/was on your end...
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Can you make few SS for me after 24h[ofcourse no reboots]?. If you have more than 10-15 apps installed like me you won't get that amount of ram left after 24h~. No way.
as if certain user experiences would be a lie.
So does it worth the buy or any recommendations?
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So does it worth the buy or any recommendations?
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With stock rom you won't be able to play high end games without reboots for free ram. If you have time for flashing custom roms everything fine! But if you want to stay with stock I suggest you to buy LG L90 for example.
I wouldnt buy this phone in your place (I wish I hadn't bought it for myself too)
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So does it worth the buy or any recommendations?
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In it's price range it's the best phone specs wise.
Moto G is a worth buy as well, but it has Adreno 305 which is about twice as slow as our Adreno 320. If you like gaming Xperia SP is the best buy, however it reached it's EOL so you must rely on custom ROMs for further software updates. While Moto G will receive Android L for sure, and I'm pretty sure Motorola will keep maintaining it at less till the end of 2015 since the new Moto G 2014 is pretty similar to the Moto G 2013. But still Moto G's LTE model with SD Card cost more, so you must put this in consideration as well. Going with either phone, you will be pretty pleased. But if I had to buy a new phone now and I had ~150€ to spend I will definitely go with Xperia SP.
P.S.: I have both phones.
Thanks , for your information.
I'm sure to consider the Xperia SP.
Do you mind , if i ask you about the camera of this phone?
cabba403 said:
Thanks , for your information.
I'm sure to consider the Xperia SP.
Do you mind , if i ask you about the camera of this phone?
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Rear camera is quite decent. Here are few threads with shots from it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-sp/themes-apps/post-photo-xperia-sp-t2823275
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2304148
check it
cabba403 said:
Thanks , for your information.
I'm sure to consider the Xperia SP.
Do you mind , if i ask you about the camera of this phone?
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this is phone is supposedly great but, as other user mention, the RAM is lacking so it makes it lagging. Sure some games run fine. but try playing real racing 3 with no modifications. it'll burn your battery (doesn't literally burn it, i just mean really hot) and it often lags.
camera wise, it depends on preference. for me this camera sometimes get awesome results outdoor, but it has same problem with many xperia phone. lots of noise if u zoom.
if u have time, read my 1 year review http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2778795
The SP's gaming performance is pretty decent - and great for the price. If you're looking to get some idea of what 2D and 3D GPU performance is when choosing a new phone, searching for Antutu benchmarks isn't a bad place to start.
As for the camera, passable outdoors (but noisy), worthless indoors. Mine has even started taking out of focus pictures, even after half pressing camera button to focus first. Might be something to do with the len's protective film being removed (due to scratches)
The issue i have now is that it easily heats up when playing 3d games. Think before buying if you're a gamer.
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carlfinity said:
The issue i have now is that it easily heats up when playing 3d games. Think before buying if you're a gamer.
Sent from my Xperia SP using Tapatalk
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Well I found out all devices I've ever used, my friends, my father's are all prone to heat up when playing high end games. This should not be the problem. As far as my inspection on my XSP, it won't get over the 41 degree Celsius barrier. However, I don't know about others though.
Now for some small hardware lecture. Ahem.
3D Games require more power
More power means the processor will step up its clock rate
Higher clock rate means higher power
Processors emits heat upon high power usage
Thus the heat you get.
Ambient temperature can make it worse too, so don't ever do gaming in a hot environment
TechnoSparks said:
Well I found out all devices I've ever used, my friends, my father's are all prone to heat up when playing high end games. This should not be the problem. As far as my inspection on my XSP, it won't get over the 41 degree Celsius barrier. However, I don't know about others though.
Now for some small hardware lecture. Ahem.
3D Games require more power
More power means the processor will step up its clock rate
Higher clock rate means higher power
Processors emits heat upon high power usage
Thus the heat you get.
Ambient temperature can make it worse too, so don't ever do gaming in a hot environment
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Mine too doesnt go pass the 40 degrees mark however other Sony models specially the newer ones feel less hotter than SP so something about this phone is not right.
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carlfinity said:
Mine too doesnt go pass the 40 degrees mark however other Sony models specially the newer ones feel less hotter than SP so something about this phone is not right.
Sent from my Xperia SP using Tapatalk
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Well what you feel is different from what it really is. I believe checking the CPU temp on the newer Sony devices (x degree), and compare with our devices (40-41 degree) will finally unfold the mystery behind XSP heating, perhaps?
And difference between dual core and quad core do play an important role, you know
TechnoSparks said:
Well what you feel is different from what it really is. I believe checking the CPU temp on the newer Sony devices (x degree), and compare with our devices (40-41 degree) will finally unfold the mystery behind XSP heating, perhaps?
And difference between dual core and quad core do play an important role, you know
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That makes it seem ironic, does 4 cores draw more power compared with our dual core? I believe so, since newer Sony models have more or less 2.0 ghz clock speed. I still can't believe those devices felt less hotter given the power that they carry. Anyways, this is just my observation that I hope will benefit the soon to be owners of this device.
I feel my Z3 Compact performance is no where near the performance at Snapdragon 801 is supposed to give. This phone to date is supposed to be one of the fastest Graphic performers and should be able to play games like Ashphalt 8, NOVA 3, Modern Combat and those mainstream graphical games at 60FPS no problem as i've seen in other phones with Snapdragon 801 like the S5, One PlusOne, HTC One M8 etc but my phone seems to play these games like bout 30-40FPS and when a menu transition happens it's really choppy.
Even though this phone is also 720P and with benchmarks on websites like PhoneArena, GSMArena they have scores on geekbench 3 bout 3K while my one is 2.2K constantly, GFX 2.7 (T-Rex Onscreen) bout 40FPS while my one is like 25FPS. Performance is definitely noticeably slow.
I notice that on CPU-Z app that my GPU frequency never exceeds 330MHz, i wonder if you guys are like this too and also my Governer thing is on Interative if that's normal?
I have conducted these results without Stamina mode or performance restriction on. Nor is it rooted or anything.
LSirzech said:
I feel my Z3 Compact performance is no where near the performance at Snapdragon 801 is supposed to give. This phone to date is supposed to be one of the fastest Graphic performers and should be able to play games like Ashphalt 8, NOVA 3, Modern Combat and those mainstream graphical games at 60FPS no problem as i've seen in other phones with Snapdragon 801 like the S5, One PlusOne, HTC One M8 etc but my phone seems to play these games like bout 30-40FPS and when a menu transition happens it's really choppy.
Even though this phone is also 720P and with benchmarks on websites like PhoneArena, GSMArena they have scores on geekbench 3 bout 3K while my one is 2.2K constantly, GFX 2.7 (T-Rex Onscreen) bout 40FPS while my one is like 25FPS. Performance is definitely noticeably slow.
I notice that on CPU-Z app that my GPU frequency never exceeds 330MHz, i wonder if you guys are like this too and also my Governer thing is on Interative if that's normal?
I have conducted these results without Stamina mode or performance restriction on. Nor is it rooted or anything.
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Disable Stamina and restart. Worked for me
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I have same problem, but not in the benchmarks, my gpu stocks at 330 Mhz while playing games. Actually maximum frequency shown in cpuz is 330! This is weird.
Hi all,
So I got a question related to MI3W, the cooling system of it, and mainly:
Is it normal that while I'm doing basic stuff like internet browsing, using Tapatalk, Skype, whatever, the phone temperature is usually around 45-60°C? I think that's waaaay too much. Also I can feel the back and front of the phone(display) heating a lot. One thing I would like to say is that it's not dependent on any ROM or kernel, I'm facing this issue even in MIUI.
Now, this is not such a problem, but, the real problem appears when it comes to games or performance demanding apps. To get higher framerate or performance, I switch to High Performance mode (performance governor). But then, the SoC temperature rises to 90°C and I can't even touch the display so I won't burn myself.
Now, this sometimes happens even in idle mode, even though it's not this high temperature, but still it's about 60-70°C.
It could get pretty unpleasant if I received a call and had to put the burning phone on my face.
So I'm wondering if there's anything I can do with this issue and if anyone else has it, and if this is eventually an issue of the whole MI3 model.
Last thing, no other phone with S800 has this issue, I saw Xperia Z1 mini and Nexus 5 and none of them had such a crazy temperatures, I know this version of S800 is the one with overclocked GPU but still, it's not that much of difference and I don't think it receives any right to heat as much as it does to me.
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These apps won't tell you actual CPU temperature. The only place where you can find right one is at CPU-Z - Sensors - CPU Temperature
Me_Ashish_ said:
These apps won't tell you actual CPU temperature. The only place where you can find right one is at CPU-Z - Sensors - CPU Temperature
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This app is actually accurate, CPU-Z reports the same temperatures, it just shows more sensors so I thought it would be better to just show a single temperature..
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TofikLupus said:
This app is actually accurate, CPU-Z reports the same temperatures, it just shows more sensors so I thought it would be better to just show a single temperature..
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Nope I'm talking about that single one shown in Sensors
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Nope I'm talking about that single one shown in Sensors
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Not sure what the single one is, but i'm sure it's not the SoC temperature. CPU-Z of my friend who owns Xperia Z1 mini was showing 30-35°C in the tab with many sensors. Even after calculating Pi to 10,000,000 decimal places it didn't go above 40°C.. and his calculation time was even higher than mine. I found out that the calculation time is dependent on the SoC temperature, if it's overheating then the performance is lower. So I can't try it more times because it usually rises to 60-70°C.
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Not sure what the single one is, but i'm sure it's not the SoC temperature. CPU-Z of my friend who owns Xperia Z1 mini was showing 30-35°C in the tab with many sensors. Even after calculating Pi to 10,000,000 decimal places it didn't go above 40°C.. and his calculation time was even higher than mine. I found out that the calculation time is dependent on the SoC temperature, if it's overheating then the performance is lower. So I can't try it more times because it usually rises to 60-70°C.
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There, under sensors 31.6 degree. Not talking about any of those thermal temperatures
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There, under sensors 31.6 degree. Not talking about any of those thermal temperatures
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But what are the other temperatures then? And why my phone gets burning hot? This doesn't make sense at all.
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TofikLupus said:
But what are the other temperatures then? And why my phone gets burning hot? This doesn't make sense at all.
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I don't know but I do know the one I mentioned is the actual one.
Ans my phone too gets burning hot on gaming and stuff. It can't be helped, the story of MI phones.
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I don't know but I do know the one I mentioned is the actual one.
Ans my phone too gets burning hot on gaming and stuff. It can't be helped, the story of MI phones.
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Okay, thanks for letting me know it's not an issue just for me but in general. I like this phone but I'm a bit dissapointed by this not well thought off cooling. I'm sometimes afraid the heat would destroy the LCD at one point because sometimes it's really intensive. Mostly after flashing an update for a ROM and upon the "Optimizing apps" screen.
One strange thing that I don't get though, is why nobody else is complaining about it, nor any reviews of the phone are mentioning this excessive heating.
I've been thinking about this for some while now.
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Don't use while charging and stay with balance power profile. These are mainstream device so don't push these to limits very often (these are not dedicated gaming device) and limited passive cooling for SOC. Otherwise you will inviting a premature component failure. Device temperature is also closely associated with ambient temp so if your ambient is close to 24is C the device will sustain performance bit better.
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Don't use while charging and stay with balance power profile. These are mainstream device so don't push these to limits very often (these are not dedicated gaming device) and limited passive cooling for SOC. Otherwise you will inviting a premature component failure. Device temperature is also closely associated with ambient temp so if your ambient is close to 24is C the device will sustain performance bit better.
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The problem is I can't use it while charging anyway, because the phone otherwise discharges faster than charges.
Also mostly I use balanced performance mode, since I know it starts to heat a lot and it gives me way too much performance for what i need most of the time. But when it's time for games, I need to use high performance mode otherwise the game isn't running so smooth. And in case of Piano Tiles, I experience unpleasant random stuttering of the game, which pretty much makes it unplayable. And that's not even any resource demaning game. So I'm forced to switch to HiPerf. mode anyway But it's really not that I'm overloading the phone and having it as a rendering station
About Mi3 being mainstream: I don't believe it's mainstream for its initial price, even though it was cheaper than other manufacturer's devices. Anyway, I will be careful with it. Still I don't get, if this is a mainstream device, why did Xiaomi use S800 SoC? It was a flagship when it was released 2 years ago. To me it looks like a fail from this point of view, trying to make a mainstream device(not so much dedicated to cooling) using high end components(which in fact need a better cooling).
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Unfortunately MIUI has bad thermal tweaks...blah blah..
So i suggest you to lower the screen resolution from FHD to HD (Not much of difference) and lower the lcd density. By this u will see hell lot of difference (I tested this method myself).
** Secondly try using a good ROM with Better cpu and thermal tweaks like if u want MIUI taste then try "SMIUI"
Or use Mettallium OS (I use this myself)
*** (OPTIONAL) u can flash some .zips that contain some tweaks and many improvement (u can find them on XDA easily)
like Lspeed etc.
I was facing the overheating issues but lowering down the resolution does the magic.
U can find resolution guide in MI3 GENERAL.
have a gr8 day
Yes it does heats up during installing roms (optimizing apps). I cool it off by air forced cooling (holding device in front of cooler during installation else battery discharges by 20 percent).
Normal heating during gaming, but stays cool in daily use... on cm 12.1 stock kernel
If you are using miui. Try God's Kernel R3 or R4. And report.
That seems to be the problem of Snapdragon 800.
TofikLupus said:
Hi all,
So I got a question related to MI3W, the cooling system of it, and mainly:
Is it normal that while I'm doing basic stuff like internet browsing, using Tapatalk, Skype, whatever, the phone temperature is usually around 45-60°C? I think that's waaaay too much. Also I can feel the back and front of the phone(display) heating a lot. One thing I would like to say is that it's not dependent on any ROM or kernel, I'm facing this issue even in MIUI.
Now, this is not such a problem, but, the real problem appears when it comes to games or performance demanding apps. To get higher framerate or performance, I switch to High Performance mode (performance governor). But then, the SoC temperature rises to 90°C and I can't even touch the display so I won't burn myself.
Now, this sometimes happens even in idle mode, even though it's not this high temperature, but still it's about 60-70°C.
It could get pretty unpleasant if I received a call and had to put the burning phone on my face.
So I'm wondering if there's anything I can do with this issue and if anyone else has it, and if this is eventually an issue of the whole MI3 model.
Last thing, no other phone with S800 has this issue, I saw Xperia Z1 mini and Nexus 5 and none of them had such a crazy temperatures, I know this version of S800 is the one with overclocked GPU but still, it's not that much of difference and I don't think it receives any right to heat as much as it does to me.
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Okay, so a little update - Recently I reached an incredible temperature of 107°C on the CPU chip!!! And then thermally shut down. I think this isn't fun anymore. I don't know if i have some defective piece or if it's normal for all MI3's but I'm starting to think about returning the phone or just claiming a replacement. Both the front and back of the phone gets hot very soon, just by watching some youtube vids or browsing internet...or JUST having the phone simply unlocked and idling. The temperatures don't go under 40°C. I think that this is the reason why MI3 was cheaper than other phones with the same SoC.
In the worst case, I will revert the partition table back to stock, install latest MIUI 7 on it and send it to a service center.
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TofikLupus said:
Okay, so a little update - Recently I reached an incredible temperature of 107°C on the CPU chip!!! And then thermally shut down. I think this isn't fun anymore. I don't know if i have some defective piece or if it's normal for all MI3's but I'm starting to think about returning the phone or just claiming a replacement. Both the front and back of the phone gets hot very soon, just by watching some youtube vids or browsing internet...or JUST having the phone simply unlocked and idling. The temperatures don't go under 40°C. I think that this is the reason why MI3 was cheaper than other phones with the same SoC.
In the worst case, I will revert the partition table back to stock, install latest MIUI 7 on it and send it to a service center.
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Which rom are you using? And kernel?
24likan said:
Which rom are you using? And kernel?
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The superhigh temperatures were in recovery and before the phone boots up. I was reaching 80-90°C in any ROM, including MIUI(while gaming) and 60-70°C at normal use. Sadly, no ROM affects the temperature, it's always high. I was using all stock kernels, until yesterday, when I flashed Moshi stock kernel, expecting lower temperatures. Well, they were lower, but still 60°C with JUST watching youtube videos, that's a bit too much.
I think Xiaomi just didn't think off the cooling well, because Nexus 5 and Galaxy S5 don't suffer from so high temperatures, 60°C at most while gaming, and people at forums complain about getting 50°C while i'm glad to have 45°C in idle state. And I'm not talking about the surface temperature, I'm talking about the on-chip temperature, which to me is more important.
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GUYS - What if https://youtu.be/hZDNpp--E0Y was applied to MI3? Maybe my device is just poorly greased and the heat doesn't transfer to the aluminium plate effectively. That could be a solution, if it's possible, which I believe it is, because MI3 has the same aluminium plate on the back of the LCD as a heatsink(i believe it is aluminium).
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TofikLupus said:
GUYS - What if https://youtu.be/hZDNpp--E0Y was applied to MI3? Maybe my device is just poorly greased and the heat doesn't transfer to the aluminium plate effectively. That could be a solution, if it's possible, which I believe it is, because MI3 has the same aluminium plate on the back of the LCD as a heatsink(i believe it is aluminium).
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I understand your problem. May be yours is a hardware problem. But try flashing God's kernel R3 or R4
Hello
I have upgraded my Tab S7 to Tab S8. And I have expected new device be much faster and smoother, but what I found that games are really lagging! It was perfectly smooth on S7 but not on S8. Game mode does not help much. I do not play a log of games on this tablet as I used it mostly for developement, but I do play Harry Potter Puzzle and Spells and this game lags pretty bad on S8.
What can be done to fix it or should I wait for Samsung to release update? I do know about Samsung's throttling on S8 devices but I never expect it to be that bad.
And in addition (don't want to open another thread) it seems that S8 has more aggressive memory settings because it unloads apps from memory over time. Which never happened on S7. S8 has more memory and I think it should keep more opened apps, not reloading them. And yes, settings in developer section (do not keep activities) is not enabled
Ray Adams said:
And in addition (don't want to open another thread) it seems that S8 has more aggressive memory settings because it unloads apps from memory over time. Which never happened on S7. S8 has more memory and I think it should keep more opened apps, not reloading them. And yes, settings in developer section (do not keep activities) is not enabled
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This has to do to android 12, s7 was only on android 11, but also is on 12 now. So then it automatically puts apps into deep sleep. You can remove that under battery settings area and remove apps from deep sleep mode.
About lagging it might be new game mode from samsung since apparently samsung did on purpose limit hardware but added a settings into app that let's you gain more performance in games. Should be in game engine or w.e name is and then settings and then Labs and enable experimental feature there that should boost performance and stop limit the hardware for game.
When I replaces S7 it was already on Android 12 but I never observed such behavior. Anyway, I have put game into never sleep list. As about lags, unfortunately I found no options for that
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Hello
I have upgraded my Tab S7 to Tab S8. And I have expected new device be much faster and smoother, but what I found that games are really lagging! It was perfectly smooth on S7 but not on S8. Game mode does not help much. I do not play a log of games on this tablet as I used it mostly for developement, but I do play Harry Potter Puzzle and Spells and this game lags pretty bad on S8.
What can be done to fix it or should I wait for Samsung to release update? I do know about Samsung's throttling on S8 devices but I never expect it to be that bad.
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I was noticing this particular with emulation since I don't play many native android games. When playing Sonic Colors at native res on my Tab S7+, it would almost never go below 30fps in level, and almost never below 60fps in the hub and menus. However, when I tried doing the same on the S8+, I had a bunch of stuttering and performance issues no matter what version of dolphin I used. There was a workaround to this (at least for me). These issues only happened when I restored my data to my new S8+ with Smart Switch, but when I just put all my data and stuff on there manually, the issues seemingly stopped happening. The only game I throttle in is Fortnite, which didn't have the 90fps option even though the S7+ did. The game still didn't feel much different before and after the throttle, still pretty consistent framerates overall.
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I was noticing this particular with emulation since I don't play many native android games. When playing Sonic Colors at native res on my Tab S7+, it would almost never go below 30fps in level, and almost never below 60fps in the hub and menus. However, when I tried doing the same on the S8+, and I had a bunch of stuttering and performance issues no matter what version of dolphin I used. There was a workaround to this (at least for me). These issues only happened when I restored my data to my new S8+ with Smart Switch, but when I just put all my data and stuff on there manually, the issues seemingly stopped happening. The only game I throttle in is Fortnite, which didn't have the 90fps option even though the S7+ did. The game still didn't feel much different before and after the throttle, still pretty consistent framerates overall.
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Did you used cloud backup or restored through cable or it's the same thing? I have similar problem, but with benchmark results. My device can't get even average model score in 3DMark (about 2 to 8%). Geekbench scores are worse than snapdragon 865 devices. I don't know what's going on. I already tried to reflash stock rom with odin, but that didn't help. Hopefully not using cloud backup will help.
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Did you used cloud backup or restored through cable or it's the same thing? I have similar problem, but with benchmark results. My device can't get even average model score in 3DMark (about 2 to 8%). Geekbench scores are worse than snapdragon 865 devices. I don't know what's going on. I already tried to reflash stock rom with odin, but that didn't help. Hopefully not using cloud backup will help.
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I initially restored with a cable, but once I started getting shawty performance, I made a backup on my sd card and restored it from there with Smart Switch. I never used cloud backup since that takes a lot of time for me. After getting suboptimal results with both, I just bit the bullet and slowly started adding everything and getting it to how it was on my old devices. Only then did I get getting substatiall better results. Now I can run a lot of Wii/GC/3DS/PS2 games at 1.5x, 2x, and sometimes even 3x without getting throttled. Not sure why using smart switch tanked my performance, but all I know is that it's not tanking now.
Thats interesting. Because I also moved data using cable. I do not know how good is cloud since I never did it before (only on Apple devices).
I might try to fully format tablet and test it again.
Will provide more information later
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Thats interesting. Because I also moved data using cable. I do not know how good is cloud since I never did it before (only on Apple devices).
I might try to fully format tablet and test it again.
Will provide more information later
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I tried formatting few days ago, and that didn't help. At least for me this problem is not related to Smart Switch. Do you also have bad benchmark scores? I understand that benchmarks are not very good indicator of performance (especially due to GOS), but I expect to have at least average SD8gen1 performance, not the level of SD855.
Did reset to factory settings. It is much better at least for now. Benchmark - tested only Geekbench 5. Result the same
Hi.. I'm experiencing the same problem here.. any updates regarding this problem? My geekbench score can't even surpass an exynos 2100.. it only achieve around 700ish on single core.. the first time I notice this is when I tried playing granturismo with aethersx2.. and it can't even handle the 1x reso.. hhhh.. really frustrated here.. please kindly share any clues regarding this topic thanks in advance.. sorry not a native English speaker
I had same problem, but, i solved using this:
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(disable all game service (i'm not remember how many)). For me it's work great
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i disabled bixdy and others apps too
First.. thank you for the answer! Might try it out later..
So it's like disabling the "GOS" right? Is it different from the "alternate game performance" option in game booster? They said it's the "official" way to disable the GOS.. but yeah I didn't find any difference after enabling that option though... Hmm..
Hmm...also.. What makes me wonder is.. I saw some reviewers review this device without any tweaking needed and they could achieve a 8gen1'ish results in benchmarks.. and also if you know ETA prime on YouTube.. he reviewed a tab s8 ultra and is able to run a granturismo 4 with aethersx2 (ps2 emulator) in 3x reso in default settings with no problems... I know it's a different device but it's supposed to have a same Chip right?
All of this things makes me frustrated because it was not what i expected from a 8gen1 device.. moreover I saw a sd870 device could run the granturismo 4 in the same settings with no problems.. it really broke my heart..
The issue mainly lies in the SOC.
Even though, SD8 Gen 1 has a much higher peak performance, especially in GPU, it can't sustain that performance due to excesive power consumption which results in thermal throttling.
GOS is another thing that affects the whole experience, it's limiting the performance of the device.
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The issue mainly lies in the SOC.
Even though, SD8 Gen 1 has a much higher peak performance, especially in GPU, it can't sustain that performance due to excesive power consumption which results in thermal throttling.
GOS is another thing that affects the whole experience, it's limiting the performance of the device.
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Yeah.. I think this is mainly what cause the problem.. The 8gen1 itself..
a quick update regarding this from me..
I've done some re-test in benchmark and real game perfomance but this time im doing it in a well conditioned (cooled) room..
previously I was doing the test and gaming and in a room without any Air Conditioner and I lived in a tropical country which is really hot and humid...
the benchmark results (3d wildlife) came out Nice in a well cooled room, It scores what most of Tab S8 would score and the real life perfomance (PS2 emulator) is also improved..
it manages to handle GranTurismo 4 in aethersx2 with 3x reso on safe setting quite well..
the CPU temperature is well managed in around 35'ish Celcius compared to 45'ish when not using any air conditioner...
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Yeah.. I think this is mainly what cause the problem.. The 8gen1 itself..
a quick update regarding this from me..
I've done some re-test in benchmark and real game perfomance but this time im doing it in a well conditioned (cooled) room..
previously I was doing the test and gaming and in a room without any Air Conditioner and I lived in a tropical country which is really hot and humid...
the benchmark results (3d wildlife) came out Nice in a well cooled room, It scores what most of Tab S8 would score and the real life perfomance (PS2 emulator) is also improved..
it manages to handle GranTurismo 4 in aethersx2 with 3x reso on safe setting quite well..
the CPU temperature is well managed in around 35'ish Celcius compared to 45'ish when not using any air conditioner...
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CPU temperature 35 Celsius degrees? Are you talking about an ABSOLUTE idle? Because even if you would put a bag of ice on the TAB it wouldn't sit that low under usage. Even small loads will put the CPU around 50-60 Celsius degrees. Under heavy load up to 85-90 till the thermal throttle hits in.
Also, that ONE wildlife mark test doesn't do much. The idea is stability, better known as SUSTAINED performance, and that's where SD8 Gen 1 ****s itself. Try running a Wildlife standard stress test (20-minute loop) and post the screenshot, you'll see what I mean.
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CPU temperature 35 Celsius degrees? Are you talking about an ABSOLUTE idle? Because even if you would put a bag of ice on the TAB it wouldn't sit that low under usage. Even small loads will put the CPU around 50-60 Celsius degrees. Under heavy load up to 85-90 till the thermal throttle hits in.
Also, that ONE wildlife mark test doesn't do much. The idea is stability, better known as SUSTAINED performance, and that's where SD8 Gen 1 ****s itself. Try running a Wildlife standard stress test (20-minute loop) and post the screenshot, you'll see what I mean.
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I only saw the perf-z indicator from samsung though.. so yeah.. i know i might just straight up wrong about this I just straight saying what I saw.. and honestly I'm not an expert in this.. just a mere consumer..
Yeah I got you.. it goes downhill even after the first one.. what I'm trying to say was that I never reach that score before in warm room so yeah it's mainly the CPU problem..
What mainly being my concern before was I'm scared that I got scammed with a fake/unoriginal/refurbished tab s8.....
Harry Potter plays fluently on Tab S8 Plus here.
I have sent my S8 to my mom and bought S8 plus. Did not restore, set it up from scratch. No lagging in games, including HP. So, it could be related to thermal soliton in S8 plus as it is bigger
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First.. thank you for the answer! Might try it out later..
So it's like disabling the "GOS" right? Is it different from the "alternate game performance" option in game booster? They said it's the "official" way to disable the GOS.. but yeah I didn't find any difference after enabling that option though... Hmm..
Hmm...also.. What makes me wonder is.. I saw some reviewers review this device without any tweaking needed and they could achieve a 8gen1'ish results in benchmarks.. and also if you know ETA prime on YouTube.. he reviewed a tab s8 ultra and is able to run a granturismo 4 with aethersx2 (ps2 emulator) in 3x reso in default settings with no problems... I know it's a different device but it's supposed to have a same Chip right?
All of this things makes me frustrated because it was not what i expected from a 8gen1 device.. moreover I saw a sd870 device could run the granturismo 4 in the same settings with no problems.. it really broke my heart..
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Yes you have to run 4 adb Commands that also disables game booster and game launcher then GOS will stay disabled even after restart. I've done this and turn ram plus off. I also disabled or put into deep sleep all of the bs apps. I also went to advance features and turned off all of everything causes I don't use the s-pen so no need for air actions and stuff to be on. If you want the ADB commands let me know.