I am trying to figure out if I should buy the GS6 from AT&T or buy a factory unlocked phone from GSM Nation: http://www.gsmnation.com/samsung-galaxy-s6-unlocked.html or Expansys: http://www.expansys-usa.com/samsung-galaxy-s6-smartphone-unlocked-32gb-black-275005/
From what I've been reading if I buy a carrier unlocked S6 I will for sure lose out on VOLTE and HDvoice but I dont get those things now with my Nexus 5 so I dont think I will miss them. The question on I have is am I missing anything? Is there anything else I need to take into consideration when buying unlocked vs at&t branded? Yes, I'm aware it will cost a little more and I wont get support from AT&T if something goes wrong with it but is there anything else I should know?
Well since the modem is probably the same across most North American / European / Australia varients hopefully the unlocked version is just packed with LTE bands!
It makes sense to buy it if you're buying it outright and your countries bands are included... Does anyone know the Bands / model name for the Unlocked ver?
jimmiekain said:
I am trying to figure out if I should buy the GS6 from AT&T or buy a factory unlocked phone from GSM Nation: http://www.gsmnation.com/samsung-galaxy-s6-unlocked.html or Expansys: http://www.expansys-usa.com/samsung-galaxy-s6-smartphone-unlocked-32gb-black-275005/
From what I've been reading if I buy a carrier unlocked S6 I will for sure lose out on VOLTE and HDvoice but I dont get those things now with my Nexus 5 so I dont think I will miss them. The question on I have is am I missing anything? Is there anything else I need to take into consideration when buying unlocked vs at&t branded? Yes, I'm aware it will cost a little more and I wont get support from AT&T if something goes wrong with it but is there anything else I should know?
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For what its worth, I'm buying the 32GB Verizon S6 that is already unlocked for $599. Its cheaper than the AT&T. I won't get LTE if I stick with Cricket (which use AT&T towers) but thats fine. HSPA is fine and I can switch to Verizon prepaid if I so desire. Just an option I would throw out there.
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Well since the modem is probably the same across most North American / European / Australia varients hopefully the unlocked version is just packed with LTE bands!
It makes sense to buy it if you're buying it outright and your countries bands are included... Does anyone know the Bands / model name for the Unlocked ver?
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For what its worth, I'm buying the 32GB Verizon S6 that is already unlocked for $599. Its cheaper than the AT&T. I won't get LTE if I stick with Cricket (which use AT&T towers) but thats fine. HSPA is fine and I can switch to Verizon prepaid if I so desire. Just an option I would throw out there.
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ahhh forget it, I think im just gonna have to bite the bullet and get the at&t one.
@alnova1 i thought about getting the verizon one too but my whole reason for not buying the att one is to avoid having to wait for updates and to get around all the carrier bloatware. If I get the verizon one I will miss out on LTE and I will have to wait for updates. Its a lose lose situation.
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yeah the unlocked one they sell at gsm nation will work on att.
Yeah but AT&T = Locked bootloader so no rooting etc. Have fun with that.
So I've been spoiled by the nexus 4/5 and haven't really paid attention to Samsung phones... If I got an S6 w/ an unlocked bootloader and rooted, would I still be able to use Samsung Pay (I've heard of something called Knox, i guess would rooting cause it to be tripped?)
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So I've been spoiled by the nexus 4/5 and haven't really paid attention to Samsung phones... If I got an S6 w/ an unlocked bootloader and rooted, would I still be able to use Samsung Pay (I've heard of something called Knox, i guess would rooting cause it to be tripped?)
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Good question. I forgot about Samsung pay. I definitely don't wanna those that. Gonna have to do more research.
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So I've been spoiled by the nexus 4/5 and haven't really paid attention to Samsung phones... If I got an S6 w/ an unlocked bootloader and rooted, would I still be able to use Samsung Pay (I've heard of something called Knox, i guess would rooting cause it to be tripped?)
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depending on the root method, the current root requires the unlock bl and will trip knox, which means you lose functionality of any features associated with knox...reason it trips knox is the way the SU binary is pushed to the phone is by temporarily injecting a recovery based on stock but with custom code if i recall.. you can google CF Auto to see how it works in detail.
Well crap. I was hoping one device would work across all carriers, like the Nexus 6 and iPhone 6 does. Oh well.
Do we know if the AT&T version is crippled in any way? Possible pain points:
Wireless charging limited to PMA only (AT&T has a history of pushing PMA at the expense of Qi)
Unremovable AT&T bloatware (AT&T Navigator, AT&T Family Map, AT&T Smart WiFi, etc)
Removal of certain software features (On my LG G3, it's missing a few minor features like Quick Tips for no discernable reason)
Locked bootloader (I actually assume this one is a given)
Of course we know it'll get slower software updates and still has the ugly AT&T logo on the back.
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Do we know if the AT&T version is crippled in any way? Possible pain points:
Wireless charging limited to PMA only (AT&T has a history of pushing PMA at the expense of Qi)
Unremovable AT&T bloatware (AT&T Navigator, AT&T Family Map, AT&T Smart WiFi, etc)
Removal of certain software features (On my LG G3, it's missing a few minor features like Quick Tips for no discernable reason)
Locked bootloader (I actually assume this one is a given)
Of course we know it'll get slower software updates and still has the ugly AT&T logo on the back.
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well the s6 is suppose to include support for both PMA and Qi, as far as the bloat, if its like the nexus lp release those bloatware apps are sim related and can be removed as they don't reside on the /system as for the locked BL i think everyone has pretty much assumed that it will be shipped locked.
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Do we know if the AT&T version is crippled in any way? Possible pain points:
Wireless charging limited to PMA only (AT&T has a history of pushing PMA at the expense of Qi)
Unremovable AT&T bloatware (AT&T Navigator, AT&T Family Map, AT&T Smart WiFi, etc)
Removal of certain software features (On my LG G3, it's missing a few minor features like Quick Tips for no discernable reason)
Locked bootloader (I actually assume this one is a given)
Of course we know it'll get slower software updates and still has the ugly AT&T logo on the back.
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I have no idea about the pma or qi wireless charging. I dont think they would mess with it but it wouldn't surprise me.
I assume we'll have to root to get rid of all the bloat.
I hope they dont remove features but as we know, they got rid of download booster on the GS5 so again, this wouldn't surprise me.
I too assume the boot loader will be locked but so was the GS5 and there are ways around it.
good questions, a lot to think about. I almost wanna just say ahhh forget it and just the att branded one to make sure I get HD Voice and VoLte but then every time I look at my wifes GS5 on AT&T and see that shes still got Kitkat I so NOPE!!!
Locked bootloader?
Shoot i guess i have been spoiled by the nexus :/ I jumped on the hype and bought a s6 (preordered really) because my n5 was getting old and the metal band and the curved display. Still kindof frightened of how it would look when watching a movie, bad experience with gamma curve on note 1 for the att note. I look forward to flash cm 12.1 on the edge and develop some apps or xposed modules to use that sexy edge
Yes.
I have my first ever factory unlocked phone and first Samsung phone ever
Galaxy Alpha 850M on MetroPCS/Tmobile Network.
It is a sleek phone, great Audio, no lag and has ALL the Bands for Tmobile( even 1700 UMTS not listed in it's specs).
BUT- the phone is NOT software optimized for Metro/Tmobile so no
VoLTE- which we have had on Metro since 2012 .
So make a call and instantly you lose LTE and drop to 3G and sometimes the
" hand off " back to LTE after the call takes a minute or so...
Sometimes Data is interrupted temporarily when on Internet and I get a call though I have voice and Data almost all the time.
These are not things I was warned about on Articles about BYOD.
I have no problems with Texts , MMS, Multiple Email Accounts and different Notifications for them all though- that is very good-often people have some problems , glitches with unlocked phones.
Because VoLTE is becoming more common it may eventually become more universal but we are not there yet so even an advanced phone like Alpha and probably S6 needs specific Carrier Software to enable the VoLTE for the specific Carrier.
So you won't stay on LTE during Calls .
Not sure if the Band switching wastes energy or not- the Battery is going to be the Achilles Heel on S6 IMO for heavy users- .
So that's the problem IMO with Factory Unlocked Phones- I also suspect the Software Optimized and precisely Band Optimized Carrier Devices are faster with better reception generally than similar Model Factory Unlocked Devices but no proof and it's probably complicated....lol.
I'm also on the fence about getting an AT&T Version of the S6 or not. Having a locked bootloader could be a deal breaker and from the last 2 Galaxy Units they had it should be locked too. Until someone gets a unit and lets us know, we'll be in limbo until then. I currently have a AT&T HTC M8, unlocked, s-off, the works, and i can pretty much do anything to this phone. I do keep my phone close to stock, but all the bloat removed and option to flash any type of ROM is a big plus.
Hopefully we can get a definitive answer on the Bootloader asap.
We me I just want to know if I buy the S6 from Verizon to use on At&t will Verizon be able to track my Porn website cookies even if I'm on At&t?
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We me I just want to know if I buy the S6 from Verizon to use on At&t will Verizon be able to track my Porn website cookies even if I'm on At&t?
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This is why I love forums.
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We me I just want to know if I buy the S6 from Verizon to use on At&t will Verizon be able to track my Porn website cookies even if I'm on At&t?
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So I have discovered at least 4 companies we can buy an unlocked S6 from in the US. Handtec, clove, expansys-usa, and gsmnation.
I ended up placing a pre-order from handtec.co.uk. Total came to $737 including shipping for a regular S6 32GB. Don't forget to add / request the Samsung activation / region unlock if you order from handtec or clove. Expansys and gsmnation should handle that for you even if you don't request it I think.
I just can't deal with the AT&T version. So glad my device will have no carrier bloat and get updates much sooner than the AT&T version.
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So I have discovered at least 4 companies we can buy an unlocked S6 from in the US. Handtec, clove, expansys-usa, and gsmnation.
I ended up placing a pre-order from handtec.co.uk. Total came to $737 including shipping for a regular S6 32GB. Don't forget to add / request the Samsung activation / region unlock if you order from handtec or clove. Expansys and gsmnation should handle that for you even if you don't request it I think.
I just can't deal with the AT&T version. So glad my device will have no carrier bloat and get updates much sooner than the AT&T version.
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Thanks for more options! I've been corresponding with the fine folks at GSMNation, and they don't seem to be understanding what I'm asking.
I'm curious about what model I will be getting. Will it be the Vodaphone version? I want to know so I can determine how long I'll be waiting for updates. T-Mo wasn't the worst, and I have been able to do a lot with it.
Last year I brought my T-Mobile S5 to AT&T...I'm wondering if I can just go buy one at T-Mobile, but activate it on AT&T. Unlocking shouldn't be an issue. Whatever I do, I must be able to root that beast!:laugh:
gtg465x said:
So I have discovered at least 4 companies we can buy an unlocked S6 from in the US. Handtec, clove, expansys-usa, and gsmnation.
I ended up placing a pre-order from handtec.co.uk. Total came to $737 including shipping for a regular S6 32GB. Don't forget to add / request the Samsung activation / region unlock if you order from handtec or clove. Expansys and gsmnation should handle that for you even if you don't request it I think.
I just can't deal with the AT&T version. So glad my device will have no carrier bloat and get updates much sooner than the AT&T version.
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Which AT&T bands does the phone support?
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Hey guys, been doing some digging and haven't found anything conclusive so I was wondering if you all could help me out. I would like to buy a Note 4 if and only if a few certain conditions are met and I'm trying to figure out how to accomplish that.
1) I'm really loving how far Samsung has come with toning down TouchWiz, but I still would want root to remove bloatware, install some xposed modules, etc. So far the AT&T variant has no root capability.
2) Having an unlocked bootloader is not a must, but it is a plus. I actually don't want to give up some of the OEM Note features.
3) I have absolutely zero T-Mobile service where I live, so AT&T or their MVNOs are really my only option for a GSM phone
4) 4G LTE is a must
so-
I was wondering if it would be possible to buy a Note 4 from T-Mobile outright (online preferably), get it carrier unlocked and bring it over to an AT&T MVNO?
I don't see anything listing the difference in bands between the AT&T and T-Mobile variant and I don't see any requirements about needed to stay on a T-Mobile plan for a certain amount of time before unlocking, just that the phone has to be completely paid for. Also I can't seem to find the full price for a T-Mobile Note 4.
Any help is much appreciated! Thanks!
Edit: Sorry I posted this to the wrong forum! Trying to find a way to move/delete it!
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Hey guys, been doing some digging and haven't found anything conclusive so I was wondering if you all could help me out. I would like to buy a Note 4 if and only if a few certain conditions are met and I'm trying to figure out how to accomplish that.
1) I'm really loving how far Samsung has come with toning down TouchWiz, but I still would want root to remove bloatware, install some xposed modules, etc. So far the AT&T variant has no root capability.
2) Having an unlocked bootloader is not a must, but it is a plus. I actually don't want to give up some of the OEM Note features.
3) I have absolutely zero T-Mobile service where I live, so AT&T or their MVNOs are really my only option for a GSM phone
4) 4G LTE is a must
so-
I was wondering if it would be possible to buy a Note 4 from T-Mobile outright (online preferably), get it carrier unlocked and bring it over to an AT&T MVNO?
I don't see anything listing the difference in bands between the AT&T and T-Mobile variant and I don't see any requirements about needed to stay on a T-Mobile plan for a certain amount of time before unlocking, just that the phone has to be completely paid for. Also I can't seem to find the full price for a T-Mobile Note 4.
Any help is much appreciated! Thanks!
Edit: Sorry I posted this to the wrong forum! Trying to find a way to move/delete it!
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I believe the full price is $760.
T-Mobile will only provide the unlock after 2 months consecutive service, so you'll need/want to pay for an online unlock service if you want the code immediately....be sure to make a 5 minute or more call with a t-mobile sim (try to borrow a friends or co-worker) before requesting the unlock code from an online unlock service. That is necessary due to Samsung's region lock, the phone needs to "authenticate" that it is being activated in the correct market....you can google and get a clearer meaning of what I'm talking about.
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1588
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s5-region-lock-367402/
louforgiveno said:
I believe the full price is $760.
T-Mobile will only provide the unlock after 2 months consecutive service, so you'll need/want to pay for an online unlock service if you want the code immediately....be sure to make a 5 minute or more call with a t-mobile sim (try to borrow a friends or co-worker) before requesting the unlock code from an online unlock service. That is necessary due to Samsung's region lock, the phone needs to "authenticate" that it is being activated in the correct market....you can google and get a clearer meaning of what I'm talking about.
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Thank you for the help!
Hmm it looks like the region "authentication" may be a bit of an issue as I know no one with a T-Mobile sim. Again, I live far away from any T-Mobile service but I am planning a trip to an area they service next month. But even if I was to find a friend with T-Mobile I know nothing about online unlock services. I'm guessing you give them your IMEI number and pay a fee and they give you an available code. Now by the look of the websites I'm seeing, this looks to be a little shady (which I could be ok with) but I don't seem to see any indications of what kind of prices I'd be looking at.
Would you happen to recommend a website in particular or know of the cost? Or is this something XDA doesn't want people posting about? Forgive me if what I'm asking is not allowed.
so get sim for $10 and buy $2 a day prepaid plan.
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Thank you for the help!
Hmm it looks like the region "authentication" may be a bit of an issue as I know no one with a T-Mobile sim. Again, I live far away from any T-Mobile service but I am planning a trip to an area they service next month. But even if I was to find a friend with T-Mobile I know nothing about online unlock services. I'm guessing you give them your IMEI number and pay a fee and they give you an available code. Now by the look of the websites I'm seeing, this looks to be a little shady (which I could be ok with) but I don't seem to see any indications of what kind of prices I'd be looking at.
Would you happen to recommend a website in particular or know of the cost? Or is this something XDA doesn't want people posting about? Forgive me if what I'm asking is not allowed.
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I used cellunlocker.net to unlock 2 S5's, I think they state it takes up to 12 hours or something, but they had my code in about 22 minutes. I have no experience with other unlock services but there are some that sound horrible, I recommend cellunlocker personally.
I think I paid about $34.99 per device, everything worked without a hitch
louforgiveno said:
I used cellunlocker.net to unlock 2 S5's, I think they state it takes up to 12 hours or something, but they had my code in about 22 minutes. I have no experience with other unlock services but there are some that sound horrible, I recommend cellunlocker personally.
I think I paid about $34.99 per device, everything worked without a hitch
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What this guy said. You don't need to do two months of service. cellunlocker.net is where you want to go.
Is there a risk of T-Mobile blacklisting your handset if you unlock via a third-party or is that FUD? I just picked up my Note 4 today, I haven't activated service yet. I haven't even popped the SIM in. What would they do if I never did? I just want to pay for it and go back to dirt-cheap prepaid.
jesstech said:
Isn't there a risk of T-Mobile blacklisting your handset if you third-party unlock? I just picked up my Note 4 today, I haven't activated service yet. I haven't even popped the SIM in. What would they do if I never did? I just want to pay for it and go back to dirt-cheap prepaid.
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I have never heard of such a thing.
@unpocolobo Im an AT&T costumer for my Note 4 on 2 year contract which came out 100$ sold it same day for $700 and got a friend to buy me T-mobile one for $750 plus tax so about $800 so personally i spent $200 on phone and then got unlock code from http://www.cellunlocker.net/ only $30 came in under 20 mins. Also i never used the T-mobile sim on my phone so im guessing there is no region lock on them
Correct me if I'm wrong, but TM uses 1700MHz whereas AT&T uses 1900MHz?
At any rate, I hope it all works out....you'll love the N4. :good:
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but TM uses 1700MHz whereas AT&T uses 1900MHz?
At any rate, I hope it all works out....you'll love the N4. :good:
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T-mobile uses 1700MHz and 2100 MHz
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charmartist said:
T-mobile uses 1700MHz and 2100 MHz
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I can't seem to find anything that lists the official supported bands of the N910T and whether or not it's different than the N910A (AT&T)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-att/help/using-t-mobile-version-att-t2905139
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but TM uses 1700MHz whereas AT&T uses 1900MHz?
At any rate, I hope it all works out....you'll love the N4. :good:
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I have a T-mobile Note that is unlocked and I have my AT&T sim card inserted. LTE, 4G, 3G, and 2G all work fine
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I can't seem to find anything that lists the official supported bands of the N910T and whether or not it's different than the N910A (AT&T)
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The tmobile note 4 works fine on att and att mvnos.
unpocolobo said:
Hey guys, been doing some digging and haven't found anything conclusive so I was wondering if you all could help me out. I would like to buy a Note 4 if and only if a few certain conditions are met and I'm trying to figure out how to accomplish that.
1) I'm really loving how far Samsung has come with toning down TouchWiz, but I still would want root to remove bloatware, install some xposed modules, etc. So far the AT&T variant has no root capability.
2) Having an unlocked bootloader is not a must, but it is a plus. I actually don't want to give up some of the OEM Note features.
3) I have absolutely zero T-Mobile service where I live, so AT&T or their MVNOs are really my only option for a GSM phone
4) 4G LTE is a must
so-
I was wondering if it would be possible to buy a Note 4 from T-Mobile outright (online preferably), get it carrier unlocked and bring it over to an AT&T MVNO?
I don't see anything listing the difference in bands between the AT&T and T-Mobile variant and I don't see any requirements about needed to stay on a T-Mobile plan for a certain amount of time before unlocking, just that the phone has to be completely paid for. Also I can't seem to find the full price for a T-Mobile Note 4.
Any help is much appreciated! Thanks!
Edit: Sorry I posted this to the wrong forum! Trying to find a way to move/delete it!
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I thought it was 45 days before u can get unlock code. If u own it why don't u call to bike and request it. They will email u the code within 24 hrs
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jesstech said:
Is there a risk of T-Mobile blacklisting your handset if you unlock via a third-party or is that FUD? I just picked up my Note 4 today, I haven't activated service yet. I haven't even popped the SIM in. What would they do if I never did? I just want to pay for it and go back to dirt-cheap prepaid.
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They won't blacklist it if u paid it off. They have no reason to
T-Mobile will not blacklist fully paid devices, unless it's reported stolen of course.
Anyone know if the exynos version would work on verizon? I assume that that it would but the 1x and 3g would not. lol, i would be ok with that if i also go root and TWRP.
My follow up question is where could we order it? It would be nice to get it right from samsung, but i don't see that option.
I have the same question
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I have the same question
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i think this is the place to buy it. Since they will open it up and use one of their sims to make 5 minutes of calls before sending it to us, so it doesn't lock up once we get it.
Has anyone used 4g exclusively on verizon, what are the drawbacks?
I know where to buy it here in the US. I could actually buy it today. Just want to know if it will work on Verizon
Gigatopiloto said:
I know where to buy it here in the US. I could actually buy it today. Just want to know if it will work on Verizon
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I dont think you will be able to use it to make phone calls or msg because verizon use a CDMA network for this and the exynos version doesnt have this. Just my guess.
Samsung's soc never supports cdma (big Q owns the patents) so that's why the rest of the world who aren't on cdma gets the exynos versions
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Samsung's soc never supports cdma (big Q owns the patents) so that's why the rest of the world who aren't on cdma gets the exynos versions
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That's not true at all, my Galaxy Tab S2 is an Exynos and runs on Verizon LTE., and the galaxy S6 was an Exynos 7420 on Verizon.
Oh I stand corrected. I knew the tablets were supported but figured since you don't make calls from them, it wouldn't need cdma. In either case, unless it's made for Verizon, the exynos versions won't natively support Verizon.
The FCC filing shows it support the Verizon LTE bands, but no CDMA bands.
It would probably work for data but I am not sure if it would work for calls, unless they implement VOLTE on the international version for Verizon.
Guys it's best to wait for the North American unlocked version (Qualcomm chip) to become available in a couple of weeks or so.
It will definitely work on both Verizon and Sprint and their MVNOs.
I can see bhphotovideo taking preorders for it already, and the page is setup on bestbuy. This is the S8 version I'm gonna go for. Downside is it will cost you a little more, but it is worth it to me to know I can use it on all US carriers.
Edit: looks like bhphoto added the model numbers for their preorders as "SM-G950F" and "SM-G955F", which is the same as the European/global GSM version. So that is Exynos chipset powered, and it's a no go for CDMA guys.
The plus on this model is it gets the software updates more quickly than the US unlocked model. (This is still speculation based on Samsung not updating SM-G930U to Android 7 for months while the SM-G930F and the US carrier models already received their updates.)
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Commodore 64 said:
Guys it's best to wait for the North American unlocked version (Qualcomm chip) to become available in a couple of weeks or so.
It will definitely work on both Verizon and Sprint and their MVNOs.
I can see bhphotovideo taking preorders for it already, and the page is setup on bestbuy. This is the S8 version I'm gonna go for. Downside is it will cost you a little more, but it is worth it to me to know I can use it on all US carriers.
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unlocked as in unlocked BOOTLOADER? Or just for use on any carrier?
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unlocked as in unlocked BOOTLOADER? Or just for use on any carrier?
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Unlocked as in "unlocked for all carriers" (or "sim free" is what Samsung UK calls their SM-G95*F versions). But I wouldn't be surprised if the bootloader is also unlocked.
My guess, even with the unlocked (unencrypted) bootloader, is once you flash a custom ROM/recovery it will still trip the Samsung Knox binary counter and void the warranty. This is just speculation based on Samsung's devices in the past. We have to wait until someone gets their hand on the US unlocked version.
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Unlocked as in "unlocked for all carriers" (or "sim free" is what Samsung UK calls their SM-G95*F versions). But I wouldn't be surprised if the bootloader is also unlocked.
My guess, even with the unlocked (unencrypted) bootloader, is once you flash a custom ROM/recovery it will still trip the Samsung Knox binary counter and void the warranty. This is just speculation based on Samsung's devices in the past. We have to wait until someone gets their hand on the US unlocked version.
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Sim unlocked at best buy will be out may 9th priced at 725/825
i buy international versions all the time...
don't listen to all these people who just make things up but never used it.
supported bands according to this site just an example:
http://www.china-prices.com/phone/bands/7922/samsung-galaxy-s8-exynos
I have the exynos s7 i bought from B&H in US. on verizon CDMA won't connect, but if you are in a region with VOLTE and you don't travel within US, it should be fine.
all the international versions have much better support if you are on ATT/Tmobile where GSM is the "3g/crippled 4g" I left verizon for Tmobile just to get better support for Exynos.
now... i didn't check validity of the site above, but it gives u an idea. i just wanted to chime in.
Exynos has much better power management IMO. my wife's phone is S7 tmobile variant, and when i was using s7 Exynos, my battery life was BETTER AND i use the phone way more than her throughout the day.
going to, i actually bought s8 TMobile this time... just so i can use samsung pay... samsung pay will work if you modify the CSC and install spay/framework, but guess i'm getting old and getting lazy
exynos will likely get rooted FIRST, and the first root type will likely trip Knox, and without Knox, no samsung pay...
TLDR. Exynos will work on vzw but not all the bands. if you think it's too risky, don't get it.
2 upsides that actually matter IMO when it comes to Exynos versions.
1. less bloat, I say less, because Exynos versions come with all kinds of CSCs from all over the world. and depending on where it came from... you'll see it installing regional specific apps on your initial boot. 1 year i had a phone with Arab CSC and it installed bunch of apps made for Arabs... on another phone i had a UK CSC and it installed all kinds of UK news apps.
2. better battery
3. faster updates from sammobile
jucytec said:
i buy international versions all the time...
don't listen to all these people who just make things up but never used it.
supported bands according to this site just an example:
http://www.china-prices.com/phone/bands/7922/samsung-galaxy-s8-exynos
I have the exynos s7 i bought from B&H in US. on verizon CDMA won't connect, but if you are in a region with VOLTE and you don't travel within US, it should be fine.
all the international versions have much better support if you are on ATT/Tmobile where GSM is the "3g/crippled 4g" I left verizon for Tmobile just to get better support for Exynos.
now... i didn't check validity of the site above, but it gives u an idea. i just wanted to chime in.
Exynos has much better power management IMO. my wife's phone is S7 tmobile variant, and when i was using s7 Exynos, my battery life was BETTER AND i use the phone way more than her throughout the day.
going to, i actually bought s8 TMobile this time... just so i can use samsung pay... samsung pay will work if you modify the CSC and install spay/framework, but guess i'm getting old and getting lazy
exynos will likely get rooted FIRST, and the first root type will likely trip Knox, and without Knox, no samsung pay...
TLDR. Exynos will work on vzw but not all the bands. if you think it's too risky, don't get it.
2 upsides that actually matter IMO when it comes to Exynos versions.
1. less bloat, I say less, because Exynos versions come with all kinds of CSCs from all over the world. and depending on where it came from... you'll see it installing regional specific apps on your initial boot. 1 year i had a phone with Arab CSC and it installed bunch of apps made for Arabs... on another phone i had a UK CSC and it installed all kinds of UK news apps.
2. better battery
3. faster updates from sammobile
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Did you gloss over the fact that regular phone calls wont work on the international Exynos version using a Verizon sim?
954wrecker said:
Did you gloss over the fact that regular phone calls wont work on the international Exynos version using a Verizon sim?
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yes... hence i said if you are in an area with VOLTE and you don't travel. that is the reason why i went tmobile.
http://www.phonemore.com/compare/ph...m-g950v-vs-samsung-galaxy-s8-sm-g950u/5341523
look at 2g/3g difference OP
jucytec said:
yes... hence i said if you are in an area with VOLTE and you don't travel. that is the reason why i went tmobile.
http://www.phonemore.com/compare/ph...m-g950v-vs-samsung-galaxy-s8-sm-g950u/5341523
look at 2g/3g difference OP
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I read it I just think its a dumb GSM phone for people that have a dumb CDMA phone provider. LTE only is not a solution Verizon people simply need Verizon phones. Just like Sprint people need Sprint phones. Getting international GSM phones for use on CDMA service providers is stupid. Thats one reason CDMA is crap compared to GSM. Unlocked phones like some apple and moto and rare samsung are the best solution. Best Buy will have the unlocked snapdragon available in 2 weeks for $725/$825
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Anyone know if the exynos version would work on verizon? I assume that that it would but the 1x and 3g would not. lol, i would be ok with that if i also go root and TWRP.
My follow up question is where could we order it? It would be nice to get it right from samsung, but i don't see that option.
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You dont need regular calls? You are going LTE only and hoping you dont miss any calls? If you are using hangouts for calls and don't need cellular phone calls then go get one. Ebay, amazon, they have them for sale, forget warranty unless you want a huge hassle.
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I read it I just think its a dumb GSM phone for people that have a dumb CDMA phone provider. LTE only is not a solution Verizon people simply need Verizon phones. Just like Sprint people need Sprint phones. Getting international GSM phones for use on CDMA service providers is stupid. Thats one reason CDMA is crap compared to GSM. Unlocked phones like some apple and moto and rare samsung are the best solution. Best Buy will have the unlocked snapdragon available in 2 weeks for $725/$825
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You dont need regular calls? You are going LTE only and hoping you dont miss any calls? If you are using hangouts for calls and don't need cellular phone calls then go get one. Ebay, amazon, they have them for sale, forget warranty unless you want a huge hassle.
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I understand everything. I was wondering who has done it in the past. Everyone in my company with the latest update from Verizon has seen their CDMA coverage disappear. Where they once had CDMA service, they now have none. Verizon seem to really be pushing the VoLTE. I've had phones where i have disabled all non 4g bands, because i didn't like it switching, and it actually worked better for me. The main reason i ask is because the international version has root and TWRP. Hopefully the US version will get root, but i don't think we'll every get an unlocked bootloader. The verizon version is already sim unlocked, so i'm not looking for more sim unlocked phones that don't have root.
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I understand everything. I was wondering who has done it in the past. Everyone in my company with the latest update from Verizon has seen their CDMA coverage disappear. Where they once had CDMA service, they now have none. Verizon seem to really be pushing the VoLTE. I've had phones where i have disabled all non 4g bands, because i didn't like it switching, and it actually worked better for me. The main reason i ask is because the international version has root and TWRP. Hopefully the US version will get root, but i don't think we'll every get an unlocked bootloader. The verizon version is already sim unlocked, so i'm not looking for more sim unlocked phones that don't have root.
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I undersrand now. Go exynos based on what you just mentioned
954wrecker said:
I undersrand now. Go exynos based on what you just mentioned
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Thanks for your help and concern. haha, i still don't want to be the first. I'm going to see what happens here before i get too serious about getting it. The risk in waiting is that the current unlocked bootloader method for the exynos may get patched. idk
If I get a Verizon note 9 can I just pop an Att sim into it and it will work. I know there may be differences between voice and data but Basically is the Verizon NOTE9 GSM unlocked like past Galaxy phones were?
I read a Verizon forum where the Verizon rep said that the note 9 is GSM unlocked but she said AFTER it has been activated on Verizon.
To make matters more confusing she linked to a Verizon page that basically said all Verizon's post pay phones are GSM 4G unlocked (nothing about activation first).
Anyone can help me here? Thinking of getting a cheap one of eBay to use mainly overseas and ATT or wherever else.
Yes. The Verizon models are unlocked. And it's the same exact hardware as the ATT version. My recommendation is to flash either the U1 or the ATT firmware though. Otherwise you'll get the Verizon boot animation and Verizon bloatware.
The ATT firmware will allow you to use WiFi calling and VOLTE.
The unlocked U1 firmware will be clean and have no carrier bloat.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
Yes. The Verizon models are unlocked. And it's the same exact hardware as the ATT version. My recommendation is to flash either the U1 or the ATT firmware though. Otherwise you'll get the Verizon boot animation and Verizon bloatware.
The ATT firmware will allow you to use WiFi calling and VOLTE.
The unlocked U1 firmware will be clean and have no carrier bloat.
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Thanks for your answer. I will have to read up more on the Flashing and U1 firmware!
I see now that on ebay that some say verizon unlocked and some say verizon locked and some of the verizons up for sale dont specify (but in the item detail it says locked or contract)... This makes things more confusing.
I have always bought verizon phones for the unlocked gsm. I did read that verizon was going to stop having them unlocked....this is my main fear.
So what you're saying, is that the verizon note 9 is 100% gsm unlocked? sorry to ask again.
Henhen59 said:
Thanks for your answer. I will have to read up more on the Flashing and U1 firmware!
I see now that on ebay that some say verizon unlocked and some say verizon locked and some of the verizons up for sale dont specify (but in the item detail it says locked or contract)... This makes things more confusing.
I have always bought verizon phones for the unlocked gsm. I did read that verizon was going to stop having them unlocked....this is my main fear.
So what you're saying, is that the verizon note 9 is 100% gsm unlocked? sorry to ask again.
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I'm also looking for that definitive answer as I want to get the Verizon Note 9 for overseas use. I read that it will be unlocked after activation as they were having armed robberies at stores and other inventory locations. I was going to buy the Sprint model but it cost almost $150 to unlock.
Henhen59 said:
Thanks for your answer. I will have to read up more on the Flashing and U1 firmware!
I see now that on ebay that some say verizon unlocked and some say verizon locked and some of the verizons up for sale dont specify (but in the item detail it says locked or contract)... This makes things more confusing.
I have always bought verizon phones for the unlocked gsm. I did read that verizon was going to stop having them unlocked....this is my main fear.
So what you're saying, is that the verizon note 9 is 100% gsm unlocked? sorry to ask again.
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djohne said:
I'm also looking for that definitive answer as I want to get the Verizon Note 9 for overseas use. I read that it will be unlocked after activation as they were having armed robberies at stores and other inventory locations. I was going to buy the Sprint model but it cost almost $150 to unlock.
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Verizon started that with the Pixel 3, after the Note 9. The Note 9's from Verizon are unlocked. Even with the Pixel 3, once it was activated with a Verizon SIM, it was then automatically carrier unlocked. So if you buy a used VZW Note 9 from eBay, its already been activated on Verizon, so no worries.
Just be careful buying off eBay. If its still under contract and the seller stops making payments, it will be blacklisted.
Why buy a Verizon version to use on AT&T?
What is the advantage over getting an AT&T or carrier unlocked version?
pizza_pablo said:
Why buy a Verizon version to use on AT&T?
What is the advantage over getting an AT&T or carrier unlocked version?
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They buy on Verizon because Verizon offers better deals. Then they want to use the devices on other networks. But since Note only has A firmware, not B, it's an annoying process for those who haven't flashed before.
AS to your second question: ATT doesn't allow Wi-Fi Calling nor voice over LTE on unlocked devices. So many ending putting up with their bloat in order to get those features.
CrazyApe18 said:
They buy on Verizon because Verizon offers better deals. Then they want to use the devices on other networks. But since Note only has A firmware, not B, it's an annoying process for those who haven't flashed before.
AS to your second question: ATT doesn't allow Wi-Fi Calling nor voice over LTE on unlocked devices. So many ending putting up with their bloat in order to get those features.
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Huh, I would think any Verizon deal would require using Verizon service.
Thanks!
pizza_pablo said:
Huh, I would think any Verizon deal would require using Verizon service.
Thanks!
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Oh, they do require service. But people either don't read or think they've found some way around it.
CrazyApe18 said:
Oh, they do require service. But people either don't read or think they've found some way around it.
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oh ha! Hard to outsmart big red.
pizza_pablo said:
oh ha! Hard to outsmart big red.
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It used to be easier. Verizon would often offer buy one get one free on Samsung and LG devices. You had to sign up for new service and put the phones on a payment plan. But the second phone uses to actually be free, not just bill credits. And you could pay off the first one and cancel your service.
I one time bought four Galaxy S7s when they were brand new, started four lines of service with Verizon, then paid off the phones and cancelled the service. Then I sold all four phones and netted about a thousand dollar profit off the deal.
Did the same thing with the LG G4 with Verizon when they offered $600 prepaid gift cards for each phone you bought.
Now Verizon, like all other carriers, lock you in with bill credits.
As they say, all good things must come to an end.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
Verizon started that with the Pixel 3, after the Note 9. The Note 9's from Verizon are unlocked. Even with the Pixel 3, once it was activated with a Verizon SIM, it was then automatically carrier unlocked. So if you buy a used VZW Note 9 from eBay, its already been activated on Verizon, so no worries.
Just be careful buying off eBay. If its still under contract and the seller stops making payments, it will be blacklisted.
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I wanted them for overseas use, actually ended up getting a great deal on 2 ATT note 9s, under $500 each n paid $18 to unlock
Verizon note 9 on AT&T
I'm using an unlocked Verizon note 9 512gb 8gb ram on AT&T and amazingly everything works. Wifi calling, video calling, volte. Even went to UbreakIfix and they installed Android 10 onto the phone. When I put the Sim card into the phone it loaded all the AT&T software on the phone and I was good. The great thing about Verizon unlocked phones are that they have the full CDMA and GSM capabilities so you can use them on any carrier. It wasn't a hassle at all to do.
I've seen mutiple reports on xda and OP forums. I'm opening the new thread for those of us on vzw to discuss our issues with the recent firmwares.
I was using 9.0.7 without any issues. Upgraded to 9.0.11 and the phone has been acting up since last night. The signal bar was full for a few minutes and suddenly lost signal completely. From other threads, looks like 9.0.10 has the same issue.
This morning, I went into setting and renamed the SIM from Verizon to Verizon Wireless then I reboot the phone twice. Since then, the signal bar has been stable.
Can someone with similar issue rename the network and validate to confirm? I have another OP6T on 9.0.7 but I don't want to risk it.
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I'm using the Tmobile unlocked variant with Verizon and it's working fine. Other then the constant RTT calls converting it's been really good. I plan on converting it to the international model here when I get my unlock.bin
Dirty flashing 9.0.11 from Open Beta 2 caused me to lose VoLTE. Remedy was a clean flash of 9.0.11.
As in reboot to TWRP, factory wipe, flash full OTA, flash TWRP installer, reboot to TWRP, flash Magisk.
No more problems..
Just wondering if 9.0.11 requires that clean flash as it might update something that interacts with the data partition..
I have no issue with any firmware on Verizon. Went from .10 to .11 without issue also. Maybe that you came from beta that you had to wipe.
same, international on Verizon. .10 was fine, .11 is fine. haven't tried any of the open betas yet.
joemossjr said:
I'm using the Tmobile unlocked variant with Verizon and it's working fine. Other then the constant RTT calls converting it's been really good. I plan on converting it to the international model here when I get my unlock.bin
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Did unlocking and flashing to international solve the RTT issue? OnePlus blatantly refuses to fix this issue; I've been talking to them for 3 months now.
Hydroxic said:
Did unlocking and flashing to international solve the RTT issue? OnePlus blatantly refuses to fix this issue; I've been talking to them for 3 months now.
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Yes it did
joemossjr said:
Yes it did
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You're a lifesaver, thank you.
Hydroxic said:
Did unlocking and flashing to international solve the RTT issue? OnePlus blatantly refuses to fix this issue; I've been talking to them for 3 months now.
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iI's not a OnePlus issue.
It's a T-Mobile ROM issue.
OnePlus can't fix it.
This issue does not exist in the international ROM.
tech_head said:
iI's not a OnePlus issue.
It's a T-Mobile ROM issue.
OnePlus can't fix it.
This issue does not exist in the international ROM.
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Lemme do a quick copy/paste since you want to follow me around the forum.
While I greatly appreciate the assistance of everyone here, this is silly (put nicely). No one bought a OnePlus 6T from T-Mobile to with the expectation that T-Mobile would be our device manufacturer or software developer. They are not and this is not the case for any other phone or phone company. OnePlus informed us that they would be the ones releasing the software which would simply need to be verified by T-Mobile, resulting in understandable, albeit advertised as minor, delays to OTAs. Furthermore OnePlus told me over a month ago that the next update would have this fixed. It did not, of course. If it were all up to T-Mobile, OnePlus would not have supposedly found the issue and issued a fix. Let's not get silly in defending OnePlus, please. Product advertised as X (working on Verizon network). Product not working as advertised (on Verizon network). Do not blame the consumer or anyone else aside from the product manufacturer. This is a simple equation. Thanks.
Hydroxic said:
Lemme do a quick copy/paste since you want to follow me around the forum.
While I greatly appreciate the assistance of everyone here, this is silly (put nicely). No one bought a OnePlus 6T from T-Mobile to with the expectation that T-Mobile would be our device manufacturer or software developer. They are not and this is not the case for any other phone or phone company. OnePlus informed us that they would be the ones releasing the software which would simply need to be verified by T-Mobile, resulting in understandable, albeit advertised as minor, delays to OTAs. Furthermore OnePlus told me over a month ago that the next update would have this fixed. It did not, of course. If it were all up to T-Mobile, OnePlus would not have supposedly found the issue and issued a fix. Let's not get silly in defending OnePlus, please. Product advertised as X (working on Verizon network). Product not working as advertised (on Verizon network). Do not blame the consumer or anyone else aside from the product manufacturer. This is a simple equation. Thanks.
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I'm not following you, I happen to read this forum and you posted the same thing in multiple places.
I read this thread because the title of the forum says flapping on Verizon. Technically you posted this in the wrong thread.
You are running the T-Mobile version with T-Mobile firmware and there is no expectation that it will run correctly on Verizon since it is running T-Mobile firmware. I doubt anyone at T-Mobile cares about Verizon compatibility.
Technically the device running T-Mobile firmware is not certified on Verizon.
So how is it the fault of OnePlus that a device certified for T-Mobile does not function correctly when they do not guarantee compatibility of the T-Mobile version on Verizon?
T-Mobile is the customer of OnePlus.
Individuals that bought from T-Mobile see a T-Mobile splash screen in the firmware.
If it doesn't work correctly you remedy is with T-Mobile and I'm sure they will say that they do not certify their firmware for other networks.
The issue is not in the international firmware; which is advertised and certified for Verizon.
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I'm not following you, I happen to read this forum and you posted the same thing in multiple places.
I read this thread because the title of the forum says flapping on Verizon. Technically you posted this in the wrong thread.
You are running the T-Mobile version with T-Mobile firmware and there is no expectation that it will run correctly on Verizon since it is running T-Mobile firmware. I doubt anyone at T-Mobile cares about Verizon compatibility.
Technically the device running T-Mobile firmware is not certified on Verizon.
So how is it the fault of OnePlus that a device certified for T-Mobile does not function correctly when they do not guarantee compatibility of the T-Mobile version on Verizon?
T-Mobile is the customer of OnePlus.
Individuals that bought from T-Mobile see a T-Mobile splash screen in the firmware.
If it doesn't work correctly you remedy is with T-Mobile and I'm sure they will say that they do not certify their firmware for other networks.
The issue is not in the international firmware; which is advertised and certified for Verizon.
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You're wrong my friend.
iPhone is (almost) universally compatible to all carriers for years. Putting a verizon sim in t-mobile Samsung S8/S9/Note change the phone's CSC and magically turns the phone into into verizon variant. Yep, even the phone's slash screen changes depend on the carrier of the sim inside the phone at the time. Phones should be designed that way. There's no excuse. Consumers with t-mobile unlocked 6T should be able to use their phone reliably on other carriers. This idea of OnePlus messing with the t-mobile variant's firmware to make it less compatible to Verizon is not OnePlus' fault is just non-sense.
I wouldn't buy the 6T if it's not compatible to both t-mobile and Verizon.
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You, miss the point of a branded vs fully unlocked phone.
The phone is a T-Mobile variant with T-Mobile firmware that is customized for specific features on T-Mobilr.
An example of this is the Pixel phones with a fully locked BL that you cannot change the firmware from Verizon. Phones that are carrier branded/exclusive may or may not be fully compatible on all carriers. Things like VVM may or may not work. Voice over WiFi may not work
Apple verifies compatibility on all carriers.
Samsung unlocked phones are compatible across the carriers they specify. The carrier specific phones may or may not work.
OnePlus and T-Mobile never sold the phone as compatible with all carriers. The T-Mobile variant has firmware specific to T-Moble, they even market the phone as different, as in only a single SIM active.
So I say once again, since T-Mobile, ultimately is reposible for testing and certification of the firmware, your issue is with T-Mobile. OnePlus does not send T-Mobile phones for Verizon certification. They send the unlocked version. It may even be a violation of their agreement to do so.
The T-Mobile version has firmware that disables features and it is specifically for T-Mobile.
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You're wrong my friend.
iPhone is (almost) universally compatible to all carriers for years. Putting a verizon sim in t-mobile Samsung S8/S9/Note change the phone's CSC and magically turns the phone into into verizon variant. Yep, even the phone's slash screen changes depend on the carrier of the sim inside the phone at the time. Phones should be designed that way. There's no excuse. Consumers with t-mobile unlocked 6T should be able to use their phone reliably on other carriers. This idea of OnePlus messing with the t-mobile variant's firmware to make it less compatible to Verizon is not OnePlus' fault is just non-sense.
I wouldn't buy the 6T if it's not compatible to both t-mobile and Verizon.
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Research before you buy. Best advise I can tell anyone. I've been burned before, but only cause I did not research before I bought. Take it as a life lesson. No one tricked you into buying something you didn't want....
tengtengvn said:
You're wrong my friend.
iPhone is (almost) universally compatible to all carriers for years. Putting a verizon sim in t-mobile Samsung S8/S9/Note change the phone's CSC and magically turns the phone into into verizon variant. Yep, even the phone's slash screen changes depend on the carrier of the sim inside the phone at the time. Phones should be designed that way. There's no excuse. Consumers with t-mobile unlocked 6T should be able to use their phone reliably on other carriers. This idea of OnePlus messing with the t-mobile variant's firmware to make it less compatible to Verizon is not OnePlus' fault is just non-sense.
I wouldn't buy the 6T if it's not compatible to both t-mobile and Verizon.
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No, you're wrong. Tech_head is right.
Oneplus and T-Mobile never advertised that T-Mobile version would be compatible with other carriers. You're applying the iSheep logic here. Just because iPhone does it, it doesn't mean Onplus 6T should.
I knew i would be glad i ponied up the extra coin instead of buying a tmob variant. That being said, the update to 9.0.10 totally borked my signal/data on Verizon. so i used msm tool to flash back to 9.0.7. when the .11 update came out and other *factory* unlocked verizon users confirmed it worked, i updated. when .12 came out, i updated without issue. i have no network issues. if you are on an unlocked direct from one plus version, flash back to the last firmware that worked.
if you are, in fact, on a Tmob version, while i can applaud the notion that all phones should be unlocked, it is a subsidized phone, and that is the tradeoff and how tmob keeps people from buying and running off to another carrier and why it was half the price of the unlocked one.
Verizon pulls the same nasty trick on many of their phones, but Block C rules make it a 90 day lock/trap...buying a phone from a carrier is always a trap, though. especially when its monthly payments, etc.
I'm looking at getting a new phone from Verizon and I use the Skvalex call recording app to record all my company calls. Unfortunately the only way to use the good recording quality where it records both sides from the in/out on the routing table on any of the latest android OS fw is to have root kernel access. Can this phone currently be rooted with latest OTA from Verizon if I purchase this phone ?
If not, can someone point me in the direction of one of the phones Verizon sells (or one I can get at Best Buy/Amazon) at a reasonable price? It's been a long time since I rooted a phone as I have had the same Moto Z Force from Verizon for about 4 years now. Great phone just has issues with battery life after a year and data storage is not big enough.
Verizon is to my knowledge the worst company to buy from if you want to root a device.
then on top of that there's the (apparent) deal Samsung agreed with US carriers, no Samsung phones for the US and Canadian markets have unlockable bootloaders. only official Samsung firmware images can flashed. T-Mobile will let you unlock the bootloader when you've paid for the phone, AT&T too... Verizon never will!
I'd say buy an imported 4G version the SM-G780G seeing as 5G on Verizon is mmwave (only Samsung's made for Verizon even support that). but check with Verizon first if they'll let use it. I've heard some weird things about phones needing to approved to use on some carriers there.
3mel said:
Verizon is to my knowledge the worst company to buy from if you want to root a device.
then on top of that there's the (apparent) deal Samsung agreed with US carriers, no Samsung phones for the US and Canadian markets have unlockable bootloaders. only official Samsung firmware images can flashed. T-Mobile will let you unlock the bootloader when you've paid for the phone, AT&T too... Verizon never will!
I'd say buy an imported 4G version the SM-G780G seeing as 5G on Verizon is mmwave (only Samsung's made for Verizon even support that). but check with Verizon first if they'll let use it. I've heard some weird things about phones needing to approved to use on some carriers there.
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That really sucks. I always thought the non-branded / non carrier motorola phones could have their BL unlocked through motorola. I will look into the imported 4g version but I'm really wanting to take advantage of the 5g data speeds. I was just hoping for a root method to do some tweaking and unbloating to some of the files.
enettrek said:
That really sucks. I always thought the non-branded / non carrier motorola phones could have their BL unlocked through motorola. I will look into the imported 4g version but I'm really wanting to take advantage of the 5g data speeds. I was just hoping for a root method to do some tweaking and unbloating to some of the files.
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AFAIK Motorola phones can be unlocked, it's just Samsung that's doing this and most people think it's to keep the carriers happy.
Samsung has ants up their ass over competing with apple so they probably made this agreement as extra incentive to get picked up by more carriers. that's a guess though.
I'm leaning towards getting a pixel 6... direct from google. I'm not giving samsung any more of my money over them having their head so far up the carriers asses I can't tell where samsung ends and the carrier begins.