Hi all,
Just curious to see if many people out there are running there device without loading up Google services or apps. It interests me to think, what the device would run like if perhaps had alternatives to the Google framework running constantly and other apps in the place of Gmail,Maps etc.....
I see that someone has already attempted this:
http://android.izzysoft.de/articles/named/android-without-google-1
What are peoples thoughts, anyone tried this on our Shamu?
Thanks for posting this. That's an interesting article you attached. And yes I am interested in android without Google.
I had considered Ubuntu Touch, but the only phone it's relatively well developed for is the Nexus 4.
It would be interesting if a Dev would pick up Ubuntu Touch development for our device.
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cam30era said:
Thanks for posting this. That's an interesting article you attached. And yes I am interested in android without Google.
I had considered Ubuntu Touch, but the only phone it's relatively well developed for is the Nexus 4.
It would be interesting if a Dev would pick up Ubuntu Touch development for our device.
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I am indeed really curious to try this out sometime...
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I don't see the point to be honest. Its nothing I want to try.
In my opinion, all the guy in that article you linked is doing is trading a crocodile for an alligator. The article starts by pointing out Google knows what pics you have in your Gmail. This is true. Then the author proceeds to recommend "App Replacements" that include all different sorts of closed-source apps of unknown origin. Why? At least I know roughly what Google is doing. I have no idea whatsoever what, say, the developer of the maps apps he suggests are going to do with my location data. There's an old adage "stick with the devil know". Don't get me wrong, I mistrust Google and all tech companies, so I keep my music/pics/movies/media on my own servers that I control, not on theirs. Email is too difficult to manage without some help, so they still get that.
All that being said, the easiest way to remove Google would be to build an AOSP rom for your device and don't install the GAPPS package. The device feels like a connected smart calculator, though, and they know it, so there in lies the trade off you're making with them.
crachel said:
In my opinion, all the guy in that article you linked is doing is trading a crocodile for an alligator. The article starts by pointing out Google knows what pics you have in your Gmail. This is true. Then the author proceeds to recommend "App Replacements" that include all different sorts of closed-source apps of unknown origin. Why? At least I know roughly what Google is doing. I have no idea whatsoever what, say, the developer of the maps apps he suggests are going to do with my location data. There's an old adage "stick with the devil know". Don't get me wrong, I mistrust Google and all tech companies, so I keep my music/pics/movies/media on my own servers that I control, not on theirs. Email is too difficult to manage without some help, so they still get that.
All that being said, the easiest way to remove Google would be to build an AOSP rom for your device and don't install the GAPPS package. The device feels like a connected smart calculator, though, and they know it, so there in lies the trade off you're making with them.
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I feel the same. Everyone thinks that Google are reading our emails and watching our every move. In reality our emails are indexed (err... That's how SEARCH works) and the data that is collected is fed into a matrix to allow Google to sell advertising based on the fact they can target their campaigns... Its hardly evil. Its not like humans are (or even can) read the data...
Facebook is much more evil, and I let them have data.
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In my opinion, all the guy in that article you linked is doing is trading a crocodile for an alligator. The article starts by pointing out Google knows what pics you have in your Gmail. This is true. Then the author proceeds to recommend "App Replacements" that include all different sorts of closed-source apps of unknown origin. Why? At least I know roughly what Google is doing. I have no idea whatsoever what, say, the developer of the maps apps he suggests are going to do with my location data. There's an old adage "stick with the devil know". Don't get me wrong, I mistrust Google and all tech companies, so I keep my music/pics/movies/media on my own servers that I control, not on theirs. Email is too difficult to manage without some help, so they still get that.
All that being said, the easiest way to remove Google would be to build an AOSP rom for your device and don't install the GAPPS package. The device feels like a connected smart calculator, though, and they know it, so there in lies the trade off you're making with them.
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I feel the same. Everyone thinks that Google are reading our emails and watching our every move. In reality our emails are indexed (err... That's how SEARCH works) and the data that is collected is fed into a matrix to allow Google to sell advertising based on the fact they can target their campaigns... Its hardly evil. Its not like humans are (or even can) read the data...
Facebook is much more evil, and I let them have data.
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Agreed guys.
My curiosity lays in the potential any of any performance gains could be had, what with the occurrence of play services drains etc.
Like you say though, perhaps better the devil we know...
cd993 said:
Agreed guys.
My curiosity lays in the potential any of any performance gains could be had, what with the occurrence of play services drains etc.
Like you say though, perhaps better the devil we know...
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It could be worth a play for those reasons. Your OP did seem to point towards performance, until the link
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It could be worth a play for those reasons. Your OP did seem to point towards performance, until the link
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Aye it's the performance I'm intrigued by....
"Instead of being run-down to ~50% or less at the end of the day, my battery usually has 70%+ of its juice left when placed into its cradle at night, without me changing „my device usage patterns“.
I love flashing custom roms, currently I am on temasek cm12.1. With recent google play service updates I have fell victim to wakelocks etc. caused. I have seemed to put them at bay with disabling services however it makes me wonder, could I live without the google integration? For me, I use gmail, browser and contacts sync - but perhaps if I were to debloat all google services, could this be of benefit?
Who knows, it may all be a waste of time, but it could be fun to try at least!
Perhaps we could start listing applications which would still allow us to get things done, let's say's say an alternative maps app, email etc.
Interesting reads....
http://knitatoms.net/2014/02/android-without-google-apps/
http://www.itworld.com/article/2832391/mobile/can-an-android-phone-run-without-google-.html
Check these too!
http://0p.no/2014/10/16/nogapps___a_replacement_for_gapps.html
This guy went for it!
http://www.augmentedmind.de/en/articles/android-without-google.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375
I am pretty sure taking Google out of the equation is Cyanogens master plan. Partnering with companies like Amazon and Microsoft to facilitate applications and services Google provides.
Sent from my Google N6 on VZ
DebianDog said:
I am pretty sure taking Google out of the equation is Cyanogens master plan. Partnering with companies like Amazon and Microsoft to facilitate applications and services Google provides.
Sent from my Google N6 on VZ
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http://www.slashgear.com/cyanogens-next-step-a-blu-phone-without-google-apps-24375192/
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I am pretty sure taking Google out of the equation is Cyanogens master plan. Partnering with companies like Amazon and Microsoft to facilitate applications and services Google provides.
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Yeah but that's not for performance or data protection reasons. Its most likely so they can provide a self_contained product without the need for gapps
If you want to run Android without google applications, just pull and build from AOSP, and DON'T install any google application.
As far as what you will be missing.... play store (obviously). The only other "useful" google service that I can think of, is hangouts (voice/video calls over data network), and maybe some data sync like contacts. I can't stand google maps software, and typically disable it anyway. Copilot works much better (no data sucking on the road where cell service may not even be available), and if you need actual google maps..... they do have a website for it.
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Yeah but that's not for performance or data protection reasons. Its most likely so they can provide a self_contained product without the need for gapps
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I totally agree with your reasoning here.
Because, no one is going to claim better performance on a device without Google's services when after substituting another set of services to perform the same missing functions, the user is left with the similar performance hit.
I.E. - "Damn Cynanogen OS, all those MS services are eating up my RAM and bogging down my phone" ....
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I totally agree with your reasoning here.
Because, no one is going to claim better performance on a device without Google's services when after substituting another set of services to perform the same missing functions, the user is left with the similar performance hit.
I.E. - "Damn Cynanogen OS, all those MS services are eating up my RAM and bogging down my phone" ....
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Possibly worse performance. If you think about it, Google all ties in together and shares data between each other, where as if you had multiple vendors all syncing, that's got to be worse
crachel said:
In my opinion, all the guy in that article you linked is doing is trading a crocodile for an alligator.
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A baby alligator, maybe, yes
crachel said:
Then the author proceeds to recommend "App Replacements" that include all different sorts of closed-source apps of unknown origin. Why? At least I know roughly what Google is doing. I have no idea whatsoever what, say, the developer of the maps apps he suggests are going to do with my location data.
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I recommend open source alternatives wherever possible. But true, sometimes there are pretty good (or better) alternatives that are not. Feel free to ask specific questions. As for the maps apps: they usually don't collect location data (though they possibly could; but I know e.g. the dev of Locus Maps being quite privacy aware). Don't mix sheep with oxens: what collects those are not the maps apps, but e.g. the network location ("to improve service quality – and 'other things'"). And for that the series recommends OpenCellID – all going local on the device and you can check that (open source).
There are other things to gain: spreading your data across multiple providers versus having them concentrated in one hand makes "profiling" harder, for example. Or as a recent article on German's c't (computer+technic; unfortunately, the graphs are not online) showed: Much decreased network traffic, hence your data plan and your battery last longer :angel:
Disclosure: Yes, I'm "the guy" behind that article (and the one running that site). And yes, that Milestone still runs that way – and except for GCM there's not really anything I miss. Still.
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From Engadget:
You had to know the hacking community was going to have a field day with the Nook Color -- a $249 Android Tablet hiding behind with a thin e-reader coating. Indeed it didn't take long to get rooted nor for Android 2.2 to get installed on there, but that particular hack comes with an interesting potential side-effect: small-scale thermonuclear explosions. Enabling FroYo requires disabling the device's battery monitoring process, the very one that would be responsible for shutting down the device before the cells start overheating and, ultimately, going critical. Yeah it's unlikely, but it could happen. Meanwhile, another hack has enabled the Android Market, but those instructions begin with a very daunting warning: "Very smart people have failed at this. If the following instructions confuse you, you might want to wait until an easier method has been developed."
And, thankfully, there is a much easier way coming, with Barnes & Noble confirming that Android 2.2 will be officially coming to the Nook Color in January. Yes, Android 2.3 is what's happening, but this is still an exciting upgrade as it will finally also allow access to a traditional Android home screen and even enable the Android Market. In other words, it should work just like an Android tablet, Kindle app and all.
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And here I was thinking I would return my NC to B&N tomorrow. What to do what to do..
Assuming the report is accurate, I guess B&N really is embracing Android. A happy surprise. If you read the original link, then it says it'll also have the 2.2 launcher, switchable between B&N and stock Android.
Hopefully there is a leak soon I am an impatient person
great great great news. Wow, i might have to pick up a spare. going to get very interesting come January. Also hoping for a nice leak soon
This means I will be buying a Nook Color as soon as this is available in January. It will do everything I want a tablet to do right now.
I still can't get it to run smoothly. My EVO scrolls home screens and web pages much smoother than my NC. Even with SetCPU set to performance, it's just a tad slow. I wonder how it would run with 2.2 on it, sucking more power.
I've debated the two avenues that BN can take with this with friends. Either lock it down like Apple and try to stay ahead of the hacker community and force people to use their products or open it up and cater to all and potentially lose a little profit from forced content purchasing. I personally think the later will actually spur more content sales as the positive reaction to how they are handling all this will spur more device sales and ultimately more content.
I don't think they are loss leading this device, even if it's a very small profit margin. Most people I know buying it are older and they don't care at all about android. They are buying BN books and content and using it like BN planned. I'm assuming here, but it's probably a small percentage of users rooting it and clamoring for full functionality. BN, seemingly to me, are open to this and catering to that smaller percentage. In doing so, they are creating so much more positive hype for their machine leading to probably a WHOLE lot more device sales and publicity overall which will probably get them even more content sales.
The few things I wanted with the device have been unlocked. I'm as happy as can be with it now. If this is true, most likely they are going to implement those changes officially in some form down the road. Better for everybody.
This seems to be win win for everybody. Hopefully when they officially update their software, they take into account many of the elements that have been unlocked and why people are unlocking those functions.
I think that the day they release 2.2 with a vanilla launcher option we should all buy a book or 2 from the b&n ebook store to show our appreciation.
I think this is important to note:
" I was told that Nook users may not have access to the full market."
(This is a quote from the SmartPhoneMag.com article referenced by Engadget).
I don't believe it will have the standard market on it - it will still be B&N's proprietary market.
I hope they enable my location.
stwallman said:
I think this is important to note:
" I was told that Nook users may not have access to the full market."
(This is a quote from the SmartPhoneMag.com article referenced by Engadget).
I don't believe it will have the standard market on it - it will still be B&N's proprietary market.
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I'm not sure about that. I think it will be a non-copy protected market, or no paid apps. Unless they make users do the normal Android setup wizard, you don't tie your Nook to a particular account.
We'll just have to see though, as we can speculate anything (and often do!)
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I hope they enable my location.
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How would they do that? Off a WiFi location? No GPS, and no cell function kind of limits the feature.
For Pete's sake B&N! Just give us 2.2 with a home switcher to your B&N home Screen and FULL Market Access, gmail app, etc....
Enough already with this proprietary garbage!
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HeroHTC said:
For Pete's sake B&N! Just give us 2.2 with a home switcher to your B&N home Screen and FULL Market Access, gmail app, etc....
Enough already with this proprietary garbage!
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I'm pretty sure it's Google limiting market access, not B&N. According to Android's use, you can't have the Market (or any other Google apps) installed without 3G access, which the Nook doesn't have. The other companies who have skirted this requirement have gotten into trouble over it.
Marketing 101: How do you win the Tablet wars, market it first as a $250 ereader/tablet, then 2 months later release the update that turns it into a full Tablet/ereader right after CES which this year is all about Tablets all costing twice as much tied to carriers.
Bunch of BS! Google gives a crapload of stuff for free and they cover this tiny little 3g thing. I don't get it... the more users out there the more downloads and the more revenue for Google. Granted with the 3G access they can somehow figure out who did what, but there isn't a single person here who's used the market to download only free stuff.
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but there isn't a single person here who's used the market to download only free stuff.
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Sure about that?
I can say for one I have never paid for an app.
Never pirated one either.
There are plenty of free things out there...I have no need for anything paid.
To say nobody downloads only free stuff is just plain wrong.
Not to say I won't ever buy something, but haven't needed to yet.
I think I am going to wait and see with this market thing. Full market...I will buy for sure. Something else...will think about it after root for the new version is out.
danbutter said:
Sure about that?
I can say for one I have never paid for an app.
Never pirated one either.
There are plenty of free things out there...I have no need for anything paid.
To say nobody downloads only free stuff is just plain wrong.
Not to say I won't ever buy something, but haven't needed to yet.
I think I am going to wait and see with this market thing. Full market...I will buy for sure. Something else...will think about it after root for the new version is out.
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as they said in "Life of Brian" - there's always one
I spoke today with a Barnes & Noble representative who showed me the forthcoming update on his company Nook which is slated for this January. The 2.2 Android update is a game changer and literally turns the e-reader into a near full Android tablet device.
The 2.2 update, or overhaul if you prefer, will give you access to a retooled Android Market, the typical Android home screen and even has pinch zooming with the browser. The Android Market app was still under development and was not on the device to see. I was told that Nook users may not have access to the full market. The Nook I looked at had apps loaded via the SD card slot and seemed to run fine. The device will still give you access to all of your Nook material via the current interface that will be swicthable for the user.
The update addresses performance and battery life concerns according to the rep I spoke to. The update on his Nook was still in beta so it lacked some polish but seemed to work smoother than the stock device. The graphics performance still seemed sluggish even with 2.2 when scrolling through magazines and web pages.
The best news is that Nook Color owners will be able to use their new Nooks as a full tablet device that rivals any other Android tablet currently in the consumer arena. Even iPad users may turn envious at the smaller form factor and $249 purchase price.
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Nook Color Getting Android 2.2 Treatment in January
Sirchuk said:
I still can't get it to run smoothly. My EVO scrolls home screens and web pages much smoother than my NC. Even with SetCPU set to performance, it's just a tad slow. I wonder how it would run with 2.2 on it, sucking more power.
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2.2 doesn't suck more power. Its actually more power efficient and at the same time faster. Froyo has JIT amongst other things that gave it a significant performance boost over Eclair.
stwallman said:
I think this is important to note:
" I was told that Nook users may not have access to the full market."
(This is a quote from the SmartPhoneMag.com article referenced by Engadget).
I don't believe it will have the standard market on it - it will still be B&N's proprietary market.
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Who cares. We already have a full market with the hacks available based on Droid X. But Vanilla 2.2 with a kernel source changes the game.
bluetooth
If the rumors are true about bluetooth hardware being there, then Google could open the full market to us Nookers. All they would have to do is enable pairing between the nook and a cellphone via bluetooth, and now you have 3G.
I just wanted to say that the Amazon App Store is a really nice alternative to the Android Market. With honeycomb finally get to see new apps. Angry Birds Rio is really nice, and nows its free today for the ad free version.
sal_shawn said:
I just wanted to say that the Amazon App Store is a really nice alternative to the Android Market. With honeycomb finally get to see new apps. Angry Birds Rio is really nice, and nows its free today for the ad free version.
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Can someone explain to me the logic in having another place to get apps outside of the Google Market that benefits consumers? So I get Angry Birds Rio because it is exclusive however, if I remove the Amazon market app it stops working. Why? And all the other apps I checked are already available in the Google Market. So why do I need to use the Amazon Appstore other than exclusive content which in my opinion if fragmenting the available apps?
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Can someone explain to me the logic in having another place to get apps outside of the Google Market that benefits consumers? So I get Angry Birds Rio because it is exclusive however, if I remove the Amazon market app it stops working. Why? And all the other apps I checked are already available in the Google Market. So why do I need to use the Amazon Appstore other than exclusive content which in my opinion if fragmenting the available apps?
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Different features in the actual marketplace; different payment processor (Amazon, which I use extensively, has all my payment information but I do not use Google Checkout); different prices and yes, a different selection. Amazon and other app stores can offer additional features to developers like the DRM you are complaining about which will lead to fragmentation that may or may not be a good thing (time will tell). Who knows, maybe there will be a prime-esque subscription service at some point. Best Buy may sell the same games as Gamestop, but I'm glad I have the choice to never shop at the latter.
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Different features in the actual marketplace; different payment processor (Amazon, which I use extensively, has all my payment information but I do not use Google Checkout); different prices and yes, a different selection. Amazon and other app stores can offer additional features to developers like the DRM you are complaining about which will lead to fragmentation that may or may not be a good thing (time will tell). Who knows, maybe there will be a prime-esque subscription service at some point. Best Buy may sell the same games as Gamestop, but I'm glad I have the choice to never shop at the latter.
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I am all about choice but having multiple places to search is not a positive feature in my opinion. Will we have 10 other app stores pop up next week? Not very appealing in my opinion.
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Can someone explain to me the logic in having another place to get apps outside of the Google Market that benefits consumers? So I get Angry Birds Rio because it is exclusive however, if I remove the Amazon market app it stops working. Why? And all the other apps I checked are already available in the Google Market. So why do I need to use the Amazon Appstore other than exclusive content which in my opinion if fragmenting the available apps?
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Well I just like the ability to see all the new released apps. In Google's market for the Xoom all you can see is the featured and top apps.
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I am all about choice but having multiple places to search is not a positive feature in my opinion. Will we have 10 other app stores pop up next week? Not very appealing in my opinion.
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I can see you concern but I do not see how that is any different from other shopping experiences. I prefer Amazon's search/sorting capabilities from my brief look earlier. I'm sure eventually there will be apps to search any and all available app stores.
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Well I just like the ability to see all the new released apps. In Google's market for the Xoom all you can see is the featured and top apps.
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That is an issue that Google can resolve. You get 10 other companies providing an app store, how is that helping? You then have to do the same search 10 times.
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That is an issue that Google can resolve. You get 10 other companies providing an app store, how is that helping? You then have to do the same search 10 times.
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I see your point. I agree I would prefer one place to get my apps. But right now when I just go browsing for apps amazon is alot easier.
This has to be one of the biggest blunders I have ever seen with Android yet. Most of the Amazon market is filled with apps that are already available in the Google Market. The only app I have seen so far that is not available is Angry Birds Rio. And if you do not install or have removed the Amazon appstore app, you cannot even run it. Does that sound like the same issue with DRM protected music?
And what allows Amazon to create their own app store? Is it easy for 20, 30, 100 others to start their own store with mostly the same apps with their own rules? This does not look good. Who wants to search 100 stores for apps to find what they are looking for and on top of that, have different rules. This has to be the most retarded thing I have ever seen since owning an Android device and is doomed for failure.
If you don't like it, don't use it. Let market forces determine things. If 10 app stores popped out tomorrow I guarantee most would not succeed. As it is there are several alternative app stores for android already, and they have not caused any problems. Competition is ALLWAYS a good thing, even for our beloved google. Same reason I am happy that apple is constantly pushing on android and vice-versa. Competition is the underlying rationale for using Android for me.
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This has to be one of the biggest blunders I have ever seen with Android yet. Most of the Amazon market is filled with apps that are already available in the Google Market. The only app I have seen so far that is not available is Angry Birds Rio. And if you do not install or have removed the Amazon appstore app, you cannot even run it. Does that sound like the same issue with DRM protected music?
And what allows Amazon to create their own app store? Is it easy for 20, 30, 100 others to start their own store with mostly the same apps with their own rules? This does not look good. Who wants to search 100 stores for apps to find what they are looking for and on top of that, have different rules. This has to be the most retarded thing I have ever seen since owning an Android device and is doomed for failure.
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So on your PC, you would rather have one single source for all your software? You don't comparison shop, buy from different vendors, directly from developers? The app concept and having it all in one place is a convenience, thats it. Its like saying you should not open up a Target because your town already has a Wall-Mart or something...
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So on your PC, you would rather have one single source for all your software? You don't comparison shop, buy from different vendors, directly from developers? The app concept and having it all in one place is a convenience, thats it. Its like saying you should not open up a Target because your town already has a Wall-Mart or something...
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This is not my PC. You go to Amazon store and you see the same apps available in the Google Market. You think the average consumer wants to search multiple markets for an app? I know I don't. And the same app works from Google market and not from another app store because their appstore app is not installed? You think this is a good user experience? I don't. Do not compare to PC experience because the Android tablet experience is based on competition from Apple iPad not from a PC experience. This will be a disaster in a year from now where iPad users can search one location for all their app needs and Android tablet users will need to search 100+ for theirs. There is no reason why these apps cannot be in one location.
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There is no reason why these apps cannot be in one location.
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But there is a reason... different terms and features for developers.
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But there is a reason... different terms and features for developers.
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And what specifically are those?
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This is not my PC. You go to Amazon store and you see the same apps available in the Google Market. You think the average consumer wants to search multiple markets for an app? I know I don't. And the same app works from Google market and not from another app store because their appstore app is not installed? You think this is a good user experience? I don't. Do not compare to PC experience because the Android tablet experience is based on competition from Apple iPad not from a PC experience. This will be a disaster in a year from now where iPad users can search one location for all their app needs and Android tablet users will need to search 100+ for theirs. There is no reason why these apps cannot be in one location.
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haha i don't want to get a back and forth going here, but really, just don't use the amazon app store and all will be ok. not to overblow the analogy, but two supermarkets usually carry 99% of the same things, doesn't mean you should get rid of one or preclude new ones from opening up.
i realize that apple people have their walled garden with their false sense of security and limited options, but take music purchases as an example: i can either say, buy all my music from iTunes like most Apple people do, or i can do what i do, which is source it from eMusic, Amazon MP3, directly from the artists, etc, all of which i am able to do from both my galaxy s or my xoom, and all of which i am able to do for less money than if i just bought everything from iTunes. oh and since the artists usually get a better deal if i avoid the iTunes store i know more of my money is going directly to them. same thing applies to app stores. its not really all that complicated, i mean, how lazy have we gotten if we can't be bothered to look for things on more than one app store?
as far as the drm deal where apps won't work without amazon appstore, i am not crazy about it, and if that is the case, i would definitely think twice before buying anything from them. maybe some content providers will insist on using amazon's system, but if the terms are that restrictive i'll just take my money elsewhere.
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haha i don't want to get a back and forth going here, but really, just don't use the amazon app store and all will be ok. not to overblow the analogy, but two supermarkets usually carry 99% of the same things, doesn't mean you should get rid of one or preclude new ones from opening up.
i realize that apple people have their walled garden with their false sense of security and limited options, but take music purchases as an example: i can either say, buy all my music from iTunes like most Apple people do, or i can do what i do, which is source it from eMusic, Amazon MP3, directly from the artists, etc, all of which i am able to do from both my galaxy s or my xoom, and all of which i am able to do for less money than if i just bought everything from iTunes. oh and since the artists usually get a better deal if i avoid the iTunes store i know more of my money is going directly to them. same thing applies to app stores. its not really all that complicated, i mean, how lazy have we gotten if we can't be bothered to look for things on more than one app store?
as far as the drm deal where apps won't work without amazon appstore, i am not crazy about it, and if that is the case, i would definitely think twice before buying anything from them. maybe some content providers will insist on using amazon's system, but if the terms are that restrictive i'll just take my money elsewhere.
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Listen, I do not want back and forth either. I want to understand the reasoning behind having another place to get apps. If there is a restriction or process that does not work posting the same app to the Google market, what is it? Why is another market or appstore needed other than money to Amazon? I don't get it.
Why would developers choose to use the Amazon store over the Google Market? Can someone answer that please with specifics? Is this a takeover of the Google market?
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Why would developers choose to use the Amazon store over the Google Market? Can someone answer that please with specifics?
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The only reason i could think of would be different methods of payment. What forms of payments do they both use? Actually another reason could be the amazon one may also allow "banned" software, as the market is run by google.
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Why would developers choose to use the Amazon store over the Google Market? Can someone answer that please with specifics? Is this a takeover of the Google market?
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Right now? I do not know as I am not familiar with the policies of them both. However, as we have seen with the Apple App Store there have been many rules which have upset developers over time. Some of those are directly tied to how much money a developer can make off their app. For example, if Google were to mandate something similar to Apple's new subscription model I imagine many developers would like an alternative.
From a user perspective, having competing promotions like Amazon's free paid-app every day is nice
I agree that it can be a hassle to look for things in different stores but it is for the best. Its the universal rule of conservation if you will. The Amazon Appstore with bring competition to Google forcing google to step up its game if does not want to loose customers. For example Amazon will have a free paid app per day, maybe that will move google to do the same or top that. Amazon will test each app first to make sure it is not malicious and even though it will never be perfect maybe that will move google to do something similar. Amazon has worked out deals with developers in regards to the checkout process which may lead some developers that before only sold their apps from their own website to put them in the appstore (Gameloft). Also this has led some developers to drop their prices at the Amazon Appstore.
I understand not everyone thinks this is for the best or that its too much of a hassle but when you think of things from a perspective of growth and innovation it seems to be good.
In regards to the DRM content it is one of those things that are just tough to deal with sure we can try to avoid everything that has DRM but that is why Netflix and Hulu have not been supported thus far.
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With the upcoming release of android 4.0 and new ios 5 (and even windows mango), do blackberrys stand a chance in the smartphone world? Personally i dont think so unless they completely reinvent their UI and add some better hardware, but what are your thoughts?
yes, they will always be alive an kicking thanks to all the mega corporations business users, specially those in the Stock Market
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yes, they will always be alive an kicking thanks to all the mega corporations business users, specially those in the Stock Market
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hmm ya know what i never did think of all the buisness men that use black berries but is it possible that they may switch to androids or iphones, considering they do all the things a black berry does and then some?
Let's be honest - Android and iOS aren't as safe as BB-OS is. Also it has better business features and other things that matter to big corporation bosses.
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Let's be honest - Android and iOS aren't as safe as BB-OS is. Also it has better business features and other things that matter to big corporation bosses.
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safe? you mean like viruses or w/e?
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Let's be honest - Android and iOS aren't as safe as BB-OS is. Also it has better business features and other things that matter to big corporation bosses.
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This may have been true previously, but its obvious now that BES and similar services have been compromised due to the recent messaging debacle. As far as the States are concerned, Blackberry is toast. Certain third world countries will most likely continue to use BB for BBM, and for the ability to purchase older devices at a much lower rate.
As far as business is concerned, Android is taking over! The low price of the devices and business functionality has surpassed blackberry by far. The only reason for small business to stick with BB is for BES, which isn't anything fantastic to begin with. When your encryption becomes seriously compromised, why go out of the way for it?
I hope blackberrys and nextels go away for good. Both have annoyed me in life beyond recount.
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I hope blackberrys and nextels go away for good. Both have annoyed me in life beyond recount.
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please tell you back story in detail, else it sounds like trolling
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safe? you mean like viruses or w/e?
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Both from viruses and data thefts.
In the consumer market, no, I don't think they will stand a chance.
In the business world though, they are still pretty relevant. Apparently BlackBerry servers are pretty secure and some people really, really like the keyboard on BlackBerrys.
blackberrys are truly amazing at push (emails and notifications) but with all the networks down and old technology they use. there is no change in the consumer market most people use it for bbm only and i know this cause that use to be me until i got my droid ....DROID FTW!!!!
in the business world they use it because of the BlackBerry Back Server that ties in directly into their corporate Lotus Notes / Exchange and or whatever favourite mail server they have
it allows customization, rules, lock down, software updates, and many other features
things the normal user will actually hate, because you are being watched by your boss, and not allowed to install whatever you want
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in the business world they use it because of the BlackBerry Back Server that ties in directly into their corporate Lotus Notes / Exchange and or whatever favourite mail server they have
it allows customization, rules, lock down, software updates, and many other features
things the normal user will actually hate, because you are being watched by your boss, and not allowed to install whatever you want
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Exactly, and when you've bought 100 BES licences you're going to want to keep using them so you're tied in.
It is another tech self-fulfilling prophecy; like HD-DVD and WiMax, because the idea that it will falter has become so strong, it will despite any actual changes in product or quality (through enough people avoiding it due to the existence of the prophecy.)
Dont think so
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I think to the average consumer RIM is dead and has been since the G1. I was in my local T-Mobile store recently and messed around with the latest 'Bold Touch' and to be honest $299.99 for new contract is a lot, but for a dated OS and a company that needs a serious overhaul is ridiculous. Especially with more and more 4.3inch screens and the future of HD displays BB is doomed outside the Corparate World. But BB has a strong following so they will survive.
[POLL]Does PlayMusic,TVShows & Magazines Unavailability on NEXUS7 outside US matters?
As you may already be aware of, some of Google Play features are not available outside of US at this moment, and that includes Play Music, TV shows and Magazines.
DOES IT REALLY MATTERS TO YOU?
How many of us actually buy these things from market, please use the VOTING button.
I just hate all websites cribbing about NEXUS 7 and bringing out Negative points unnecessarily !!!
I prefer to have these items available, but if they were not due to location or whatever reason I'm sure we as a community could devise a workaround/solution.
The next step is to rename the thread to something besides [POLL], heh.
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I can see the poll
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Need another option for: Screw it, I'll make it work.
This is the xda community you're polling.
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Need another option for: Screw it, I'll make it work.
This is the xda community you're polling.
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XDA devs will make it work, that's another story.
Basically I wanna know how its a negative point & how many ppl actually uses it !!
For me, the only thing I would be interested in is the TV shows, but I can happily live without. I don't care much for the magazines, and I already have Google Music, through the use of a proxy as soon as it was released!
It does matter up to a point but for me the number one issue putting me off the Google Play shop is the absolute lack of proper search engine. Considering how Google made their name in the first place it is just embarrassing. If they would sort that out I would happily live with the lower level of content.
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For me, the only thing I would be interested in is the TV shows, but I can happily live without. I don't care much for the magazines, and I already have Google Music, through the use of a proxy as soon as it was released!
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Same here!
Google Music is actually the most important feature for me, as I have all of my music files stored there and working perfectly since day one. And there's also plenty of good and free books available in the Google Play store.
I'd like to see Magazines. Music would probably be useful too (currently not in the cloud at all). Also, unrelated to Play, I'd like proper Wallet support (I did the hack to get it working on my Nexus, bought 3 coffees with the pre-pay and then it didn't work any more as I can't recharge it)
I'm aware there's workarounds for us UK folk but it all seems so unnecessary, especially when Apple seem to have sussed it. I hope Google can work out whatever crappy licensing rubbish prevents it at some point soon.
I'd like music to be available to buy but its not as if its hard to buy/download elsewhere and upload to the library.
I know if/when TV becomes available it will likely be months/series behind the US availability so I'll still use other methods to get recent shows. Recently I decided to check out iTunes and the UK was things like series 6 of mythbusters against the US currently showing series 10. I'd actually happily pay for the TV if they can get US shows available in the UK at the same time/not long after they are in the US. Not likely though.
Magazines aren't really a big consideration.
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Music I'd like, but I'll just use the workaround anyway, the rest doesn't matter at all.
Well you can sign up for Google Music using a proxy, and from that point on, use it just fine on Android (you can't BUY music, but you can use it to store your own music). I have been doing this for over a year from the UK.
If you want Magazines, then you have Zinio, which has an excellent selection. I think you also get some trial issues too when you install it (I did with my Asus TF101)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zinio.mobile.android.reader
Perhaps Google should just buy them...
TV Shows, well Loveflim and Netflix offer that...
So no, whilst it would be nice, it's not essential, as unlike Apple, Android gives you the option of consumer choice. In the UK we have Apps/Movies/Books. And it's sure the others will arrive eventually, once content publishers can be certain that upsettting the iTunes/Apple monopoly for content publishing is worth it. Apple are the ones that are holding a gun to content publishers heads. Supply to Google and lose iTunes publishing.
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I put down that it matters, but I still bought. I do consider it a negative, when up here in Canada it seems that if there's one thing Apple does right, it's allow us a more inclusive media selection. I mean, I still use iTunes for purchasing music, and thanks to iSyncr and PlayerPro I can still reference my media library but.. it's not as slick as a real Google solution.
Don't care about the TV, but Magazines I also care about - would love to be able to read mag's on that thing. I'll check out Zinio, but not holding my breath.
So ya, to me it matters as in Google stop ignoring us, but doesn't matter enough to affect my purchases..
Thankfully EBooks do work up here at least....
I think if I bought a nexus 7, I'd try to use the play store
seems Close call, let see the no. on 19th July: UK Release !!
Not a big deal, as I will mainly use it for browsing/internets and some gaming.
I don't want to buy music as mp3, but I want to subscribe to music streaming service, ditto magazine and books. I don't want to buy them, but I would like a "credit" system where I can pick a few books or magazines every month. If that's not possible, I don't need any content from the google store, just apps.
well im from germany and it would be much better to have some good german magazines build for the nexus 7.. the U.S. is not the only market ^^ all in all maybe 40% at the end of the year I guess.
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If you want Magazines, then you have Zinio, which has an excellent selection. I think you also get some trial issues too when you install it (I did with my Asus TF101)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zinio.mobile.android.reader
#BoycottApple
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Ah, sure I had tried this in the past but took another look, and seems ideal. It's got my usual holiday-reading fare in there like T3 etc.
Cheers for the recommendation. Will investigate the music workaround at some point for my existing stuff too.
I am running the M Developer Preview and have noticed every time google as things the more Play Services is running on the phone. Play Services is now average 15 percent of my battery use. I want to try an experiment and installing Cyanogenmod 12.1 without the Gapps and using the Amazon store to get apps.
My to concerns are Chromecast use and Android Wear.
I have several other android devices at home so I can use them to send to videos to my chromecast. Losing that function is not critical but I would like to see if it is possible to use chromecast without google play services. Anyone have any experience or knowledge in this area I would like to hear about it.
I know I would lose a lot of function on my G watch R that Google now provides but the core functions may still work such as app notifications and sms. Both of which are my main use of the watch. My biggest concern is getting the watch connected with the phone. I would have to sideload the Google Wear app on the phone and see if it will pair the watch at least. Any experience with this would be appreciated.
Last I just wanted to note this is just an experiment to see the how it would effect the phones performance and battery. I have nothing against Google as they make a great OS and the new features of M make it even better with Google Now.
Any and all thoughts are appreciated. Like I said before this is just an experiment but would like to see how far we can go with this!
One word of caution, don't purchase apps through Amazon app store. You'll regret it. Particularly if they're on offer as they get tied in to the app and require it to run those Apps. Its so unreliable at installing. Surely there must be something better.
Just experimenting so I will not be buying any apps.
i'm curious as to how much (if any) difference this would make.
i'd also be surprised if wear worked without google services running.
do update if you try it out
I am going to try it on my next day off on Tuesday. I will definitely give updates on battery life, performance, etc.
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I am going to try it on my next day off on Tuesday. I will definitely give updates on battery life, performance, etc.
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How'd it go?
While I can see the appeal of trying to free yourself from the Google yoke, if your only concern is battery life, you almost certainly have simpler options than not installing Google apps. Android is clearly tied very closely to Google. The amount of hassle you will experience in the long run and the potential loss of functionality just doesn't justify the small reduction in battery use.
I'd be interested to hear how you get on after a couple of weeks, but my guess is that the appeal of this will wear off very quickly.
Heh. If you want to go gapps free, try.....
https://github.com/microg/android_packages_apps_GmsCore
https://github.com/mar-v-in/BlankStore