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I bought a Nexus 7 about a couple weeks ago, and was instantly disappointed by the washed out colors and lack of saturation. Also, I was having charging, lag, and Bluetooth issues. I tried the a custom ROM, kernel, hacks, and still wasn't happy with the performance or colors of the device. I had read all the threads, and pretty much decided to sell it. Before I did though, I decided to downgrade to the factory 4.1.2 OS, since many of the performance issues were caused by 4.2. Long story short: I will be keeping the N7 now. I haven't tested Bluetooth so far, but I haven't seen any of the performance issues so far. No lagging or glitchy behavior with any apps; especially when multitasking. I have all my apps, music, and videos loaded back on it, and all is good.
Interestingly enough, the colors actually look better as well. I noticed it pretty quickly, but since everything I read said it was an issue with the calibration, I didn't think it would be resolved by the downgrade. It was pretty much confirmed when I opened Facebook for the first time on 4.1.2. On 4.2, even the simple blue splash screen looked like it had a low bit rate. The best example would be the way a picture is degraded when saving in MS Paint, or when you set the display colors to 16-bit and get the circular wave pattern on the background. On 4.2, it was the normal smooth blue. Also, the colors don't look overexposed when the brightness is increased like before. Even when compared side-by-side with my RAZR M, the display looks more natural than it did on 4.2.
Its charging right now, and that is much faster as well. Yesterday, it was charging like 10-15% every hour, and now its charged about 10% in 20 minutes or so. I will update the thread as I continue to use it, but just wanted to put my experience out there. Also, it is rooted, but no custom ROM or kernel and I couldn't be happier.
What is the best method for downgrading?
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Search fof this on Google; its on the other forum: [GUIDE] Nexus 7 - Factory Image Restore by 2defmouze
If you are rooted you can install the Trickster Mod app from the Play store and turn Smart dimmer off. That should fix washed out colors.
ganovim said:
What is the best method for downgrading?
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Take your time, save & backup apps & data on your N7 first, move them to an external source or cloud (hint, hint - Goggle Drive & Dropbox) and always good idea to start with a fully charged (or, at least 80% plus) device.
Use one of the Nexus tool kits to help guide the steps in downloading & flashing the 4.1.2 factory image, then root it (bootloader should remian unlocked) and flash 1 of 2 custom recovery image - reboot & set up the device again, give it time to "settle" & restore - and you should be good to go in getting your Apps & previously saved data back on the device.
While you are at it - you might want to select an alternate browser that support Flash Player 11.x, and, add Beats Audio/DSP to boost the speakers volume, and get 720p video back on your camera - and use custom recovery to make a full backup and set it aside safely. Disable and ignore the "prompt" for software upgrade and enjoy.
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If you are rooted you can install the Trickster Mod app from the Play store and turn Smart dimmer off. That should fix washed out colors.
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The Trickster Mod didn't work for me. Plus, its more to fix the washed out affect caused by playing videos. With that said, I play all videos through MX Player. It allows you to adjust the brightness of videos and overrides the auto-brightness feature that causes the wash out.
Also, as mentioned before, make sure you properly back up your apps and data. I saved all my info to my computer before downgrading. It will wipe everything and give you a clean slate.
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Going to have to downgrade too this week.
The Bluetooth problems are killing me. I am off on holiday soon, and want to stream music to my Bluetooth speakers, but 4.2 is totally broken in this regard.
Waited as long as I can for Google to release a 4.2.2, but it's not happened. It's such a crime that the media went ballistic over the December non-bug and gave that all the media attention, but the real problems get no press at all, and Google are allowed to drag their heels on a fix.
I'm stock and still haven't upgraded to 4.2.1. The stories are still bad so I have to stick with the stupid upgrade notification coming on every 5 mind. Small price I have to pay though
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I've update to 4.2.1 today, on 4.1.2 i have prob on bootloader->recovery, it's freeze.
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I'm stock and still haven't upgraded to 4.2.1. The stories are still bad so I have to stick with the stupid upgrade notification coming on every 5 mind. Small price I have to pay though
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Nah, you don't have to deal with that nonsense every few hours or daily, just disable it or turn it off - it's been discussed & # of ways to do it - my stock Rom being rooted, I used the free Autorun Manager from the Store, edit the framework & bam, done in 30 seconds. No more reminder - 4.1.2 is great for me and it does all that I needed with a bit of customization - I don't need overclocking for fancy kernel, etc.
Here's the link - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998378
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Nah, you don't have to deal with that nonsense every few hours or daily, just disable it or turn it off - it's been discussed & # of ways to do it - my stock Rom being rooted, I used the free Autorun Manager from the Store, edit the framework & bam, done in 30 seconds. No more reminder - 4.1.2 is great for me and it does all that I needed with a bit of customization - I don't need overclocking for fancy kernel, etc.
Here's the link - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998378
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Same here. I used Autorun to kill the Update process under the framework.
4.2.1 is great if you get rid of all the bloatware. I'm running sgt7 with lean kernel and its faster than 4.1 was for me
I was a bit underwhelmed with 4.2 as well for a bit. Finally CyanogenMod released 10.1 (Android 4.2) nightlies, and that combined with a custom kernel and TricksterMod has my N7 running quicker than 4.1 ever did.
Only side effect is symlinking doesn't work. But I'd rather use my 16GB flash drive to play my old PS1 games instead of what's available from the Play Store anyways. Much more fun, but may be due to nostalgia.
Y downgrade ?
U got a Flagship nexus Tablet so you can get the fastest access to the updates and then you dont want the update or want to go back.
Why ?
I have no issues on 4.2.1 (just flash a good kernel and ur good to go).
P.S: Never look back unless ur at the end of the road
4.2.1 works great for me. Bluetooth to an external audio device works, colors are 'normal' (don't look any different than any other release of the OS) and battery life is great. Guess I'm lucky.
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Got my N7 last summer and installed 4.2 the day after it came out. Downgraded a week later. The deal killer for me was was the inability to run scripts to bind directories on my usb stick and then see them from my installed apps. Never tried Blue tooth as I only got a BT keyboard after I downgraded. But then there was also the volume nag screen when the head phone jack is active.
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Me too waiting for directory bind to work on 4.2.1 since the upgrade, figured that by this time someone might come out with workable solution. Guess I'm wrong. I've no use of multiple user, I'm seriously considering to downgrade now. Another issue is the random reboot, it ruin everything from gaming to watching movies.
Which stock rom you guys downgrade to? I'm on 4.2.1 JOP40D. Can I just backup everything in titanium backup, restore and expect everything to works. Any special step to follow?
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xateeq said:
Y downgrade ?
U got a Flagship nexus Tablet so you can get the fastest access to the updates and then you dont want the update or want to go back.
Why ?
I have no issues on 4.2.1 (just flash a good kernel and ur good to go).
P.S: Never look back unless ur at the end of the road
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That is such a narrow minded oversimplification. 4.2.1 is proving extremely buggy for Nexus 7 at the moment. The amount of issues and lag are tremendous. If an update means lag and bug in no way it is wise to update.
You don't have any issues, congrats. I for one has a close to useless device on 4.2.1.
Now, will you try to make posts that make more sense than "you have updates, update" please.
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That is such a narrow minded oversimplification. 4.2.1 is proving extremely buggy for Nexus 7 at the moment. The amount of issues and lag are tremendous. If an update means lag and bug in no way it is wise to update.
You don't have any issues, congrats. I for one has a close to useless device on 4.2.1.
Now, will you try to make posts that make more sense than "you have updates, update" please.
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There's a post like that in every thread. "Thousands of people suffer from documented bug/problems even acknowledged by Google but since I don't have any of the problems everyone including Google must be wrong".
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I've been on stock 4.2.1 since the update first came but I haven't liked it since it lags more than previous versions and also the tablet freezes and reboots from time to time (at least once a week). Lately I have been thinking about downgrade to 4.1.2 with the nexus 7 toolkit but then I read about the upcoming 4.2.2. Hopefully it will arrive soon(!) and fix all that were broken with 4.2. Otherwise I also will downgrade to 4.1.2. One of the reasons I bought a nexus device was to avoid rooting and flashing and still be using the latest that android had to offer. But as 4.2 turned out maybe I have to reconsider my decision
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Okay guys, I have to ask. I have read numerous posts about Lollipop, including several reviews on several devices. I even tried a custom ROM on my tablet that is Lollipop based. I have to say it, I don't see what all of the fuss is about. I promptly returned to my Kit-Kat based ROM on my tablet, and I have yet to see any pressing reason to upgrade (I use the term loosely) my Moto G 2014 to Lollipop. In fact most of what I have read from those who have has been negative. Okay so there is ART, but I have been running that since I got my phone and on my tablet for 7 months without issues. And from everything I have read, customization is going to be much more difficult with Lollipop.
So tell me, am I just missing something really revolutionary or what?? Is there some dramatic increase in performance or memory efficiency? Or is it simply a matter of just wanting the latest OS. I am truly befuddled by all of the hoopla.
I await enlightenment.
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but... but material... and ART...
j/k, honestly I'm waiting to try it mostly because of the lockscreen notifications and the status bar changing colors (lol)
and honestly in the Moto G WhatsApp group I noticed that mostly indians are super hyped for Lollipop, for some weird reason
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I guess lots of white and wasted ui space is the in thing right now. That along with lengthy animations. I am sorry to say this but take a look at the XDA website forums on pc you will understand what I mean.
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Exactly!
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I guess lots of white and wasted ui space is the in thing right now. That along with lengthy animations. I am sorry to say this but take a look at the XDA website forums on pc you will understand what I mean.
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:good: I hear ya! Exactly my point. So I will stay on Kit-Kat and avoid Lollipop. I am hoping somebody will develop a nice Kit-Kat based custom ROM and/or kernel that will allow overclocking. I'm not an Android developer so I am not able to do so. But I am really quite happy with things as they are so I won't lose any sleep over it.
Thanks for your feedback.
I have to admit I was pretty excited for Lollipop but with some of the developments over the past few days such as the, IMO, inferior lockscreen (having to swipe to input the pattern/PIN) it's put a slight dampener on it, I'm still going to upgrade but I'm not going to rush first day it comes out.
And just found out they have removed the Normal, Vibrate and Silent toggles when you long press the power button, that's annoying!
Yup as you guys said, we Indians sure are excited. I'm just speaking for myself here, and not generalizing, but I do love the new design of Lollipop. IMO, KitKat had a very boring, flat design, which I always used to cover it up with some CM Themes with my old mobile. Whereas the new design gives a breath of fresh air to the OS, which I think Android greatly needed.
As for ART, what you feel or see is mainly just placebo on kitkat. In a sense I really don't think it makes much difference with 4.4.
Disclaimer: I maybe wrong here. Just quoting my experience.
So in short the OS is new, the design is beautiful and a complete overhaul, some new awesome features that weren't available on stock before, and other minor tid-bits are basically the reason why we, a bunch of android nerds (i'm saying this in a positive way) are excited when a new OS gets released.
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Okay guys, I have to ask. I have read numerous posts about Lollipop, including several reviews on several devices. I even tried a custom ROM on my tablet that is Lollipop based. I have to say it, I don't see what all of the fuss is about. I promptly returned to my Kit-Kat based ROM on my tablet, and I have yet to see any pressing reason to upgrade (I use the term loosely) my Moto G 2014 to Lollipop. In fact most of what I have read from those who have has been negative. Okay so there is ART, but I have been running that since I got my phone and on my tablet for 7 months without issues. And from everything I have read, customization is going to be much more difficult with Lollipop.
So tell me, am I just missing something really revolutionary or what?? Is there some dramatic increase in performance or memory efficiency? Or is it simply a matter of just wanting the latest OS. I am truly befuddled by all of the hoopla.
I await enlightenment.
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The Moto G 2014 has no custom ROMs out for it yet. We were stuck with the boring, rooted stock. We couldn't use a theme to make it look something like Lollipop. Instead, we used GravityBox.
Customs ROMs give much more than GravityBox since GravityBox cannot fulfill most of the things we all like about customs ROMs. Lollipop fixed a good amount of the small problems we had with stock 4.4.4; along with a new design and fluent animations. So we all hopped on the Lollipop train because there were no custom ROMs.
Now, had there been PA available for the Moto G 2014, I would have waited until there was a Lollipop version of PA.
well said!! We lack development and thus lollipop will give us a refreshed look...
I dont know, why do we still lack the much needed developments
However, on a bright note. take a look at the moto x 2014 dev section.
Much barer and scarce then here. lol
So Im not much disappointed xD
I'm most interested in projct volta. Read a test these days about lollipop on nexus 5, they increased screen on time about nearly 30 %. Not bad in my opinion...
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The Moto G 2014 has no custom ROMs out for it yet. We were stuck with the boring, rooted stock. We couldn't use a theme to make it look something like Lollipop. Instead, we used GravityBox.
Customs ROMs give much more than GravityBox since GravityBox cannot fulfill most of the things we all like about customs ROMs. Lollipop fixed a good amount of the small problems we had with stock 4.4.4; along with a new design and fluent animations. So we all hopped on the Lollipop train because there were no custom ROMs.
Now, had there been PA available for the Moto G 2014, I would have waited until there was a Lollipop version of PA.
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I agree that custom ROM development is totally lacking with this phone. But I disagree that Lollipop fills any void. As far as Lollipop fixing any problems , I guess that is based on one's own experience and I have not had any problems at all with 4.4.4. That is my whole point, Lollipop does not bring enough of ANYTING to inspire me to upgrade. I don't find 4.4.4 boring at all, I don't have any "problems" running it or using any of the apps I need, and it is very fast and responsive for me.
All of that said I do realize that we all use our phones in different ways that may make Lollipop appealing to many. It just isn't all that for me. Hopefully some motivated developers will come up with some decent custom ROM's for Kit-Kat. But until that happens I am sticking with the stock version I am currently running.
I've got Lollipop on my Moto G and I'm not particularly impressed.
-Unlocking takes longer.
-Pandora lockscreen controls are gone.
-Lockscreen notifications are not what I hoped for. If I get one text it will show some information about the texts. If I get 3 texts it just says I got 3 texts. So I have to unlock the phone anyways, and that takes longer.
-App-specific notification settings don't seem to work. I keep getting daily Subway Surfer notifications even though I turned them off.
-I DO like how the lockscreen camera controls are implemented.
Overall lollipop is meh for me. I guess some Android fanbois are like some Apple fanbois. They can't wait for the next thing that Google/Apple gives them, no matter what it is.
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I've got Lollipop on my Moto G and I'm not particularly impressed.
-Unlocking takes longer.
-Pandora lockscreen controls are gone.
-Lockscreen notifications are not what I hoped for. If I get one text it will show some information about the texts. If I get 3 texts it just says I got 3 texts. So I have to unlock the phone anyways, and that takes longer.
-App-specific notification settings don't seem to work. I keep getting daily Subway Surfer notifications even though I turned them off.
-I DO like how the lockscreen camera controls are implemented.
Overall lollipop is meh for me. I guess some Android fanbois are like some Apple fanbois. They can't wait for the next thing that Google/Apple gives them, no matter what it is.
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Okay, this I didn't read in any of the reviews.
-So only pandora lockscreen controls are gone or even play music?
-Hmm, and so we can't even expand those notifications? Maybe there's a setting for it? I don't know lol
-Well I'm sure this bug will get solved....hopefully
Anything else you didn't like?
pastorbob62 said:
Okay guys, I have to ask. I have read numerous posts about Lollipop, including several reviews on several devices. I even tried a custom ROM on my tablet that is Lollipop based. I have to say it, I don't see what all of the fuss is about. I promptly returned to my Kit-Kat based ROM on my tablet, and I have yet to see any pressing reason to upgrade (I use the term loosely) my Moto G 2014 to Lollipop. In fact most of what I have read from those who have has been negative. Okay so there is ART, but I have been running that since I got my phone and on my tablet for 7 months without issues. And from everything I have read, customization is going to be much more difficult with Lollipop.
So tell me, am I just missing something really revolutionary or what?? Is there some dramatic increase in performance or memory efficiency? Or is it simply a matter of just wanting the latest OS. I am truly befuddled by all of the hoopla.
I await enlightenment.
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I agree with some of your points here, but to be honest for me it isn't lollipop that is lacking it is the Moto g, deep in my heart i love this device (mainly because of the battery life) but i don't think i can bare the 1 Gb of memory anymore and lack of development, i think the Nexus 5 got way more improvements and that's where all the excitement is coming from. The Nexus 5 was plagued with bad battery life and sub-par camera, audio latency was still bad (well this was a whole Android thing), etc and lollipop solved that. I think most of the excitement you are hearing is people with Nexus 4s and 5s, also a lot of new api's for developers. Yes there are things Google was retarded on removing, i'm hoping they listen to the community and add them back in 5.0.1. Oh and for what it is worth, for me certain apps on my Moto G would stutter like going into menus etc, like Tinder for instance on lollipop the stuttering is completely gone also i have more free ram and i think the battery life improved a little bit more.
[edit] Okay i take back what i said, i just headed over to the Nexus 5 forum and a lot of negative reviews too. I don't know, i don't really have no complaints of it on the G just wish i had more memory, but i knew what i was getting myself into.
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I agree with some of your points here, but to be honest for me it isn't lollipop that is lacking it is the Moto g, deep in my heart i love this device (mainly because of the battery life) but i don't think i can bare the 1 Gb of memory anymore and lack of development, i think the Nexus 5 got way more improvements and that's where all the excitement is coming from. The Nexus 5 was plagued with bad battery life and sub-par camera, audio latency was still bad (well this was a whole Android thing), etc and lollipop solved that. I think most of the excitement you are hearing is people with Nexus 4s and 5s, also a lot of new api's for developers. Yes there are things Google was retarded on removing, i'm hoping they listen to the community and add them back in 5.0.1. Oh and for what it is worth, for me certain apps on my Moto G would stutter like going into menus etc, like Tinder for instance on lollipop the stuttering is completely gone also i have more free ram and i think the battery life improved a little bit more.
[edit] Okay i take back what i said, i just headed over to the Nexus 5 forum and a lot of negative reviews too. I don't know, i don't really have no complaints of it on the G just wish i had more memory, but i knew what i was getting myself into.
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The memory issue is a big one for many folks, but I haven't seen any problems (so far) in the six weeks I've had my phone. I don't foresee it becoming a problem since the way I use doesn't tax the memory limits. The most demanding app I use is Hay Day, and it runs quite well. It does crash on occasion but it also crashes on my wife's Galaxy S-4, her TF-700 tablet and my TF-300T tablet as well, so that's an app issue not a device limitation. And I am extremely pleased with the phone performance. It is much improved over my previous phone.
But I can see how the memory would make a difference for many people. And if Lollipop helps then that is a good thing. However, it seems that we are giving up a lot to gain a little.
I was happy with JB & still like it. KK is a little better & I enjoy running it. However I don't care much for L. I tried hard to like it. It has a few features I liked but over all I didn't care for it. I think it is ugly for one & the bugs in 5.0 was driving me crazy.
I went back to KK for now.
I only hope that Lollipop helps bring some development to this phone, because it is really lacking and that is starting to make me want to sell it.
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I only hope that Lollipop helps bring some development to this phone, because it is really lacking and that is starting to make me want to sell it.
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I understand your frustration with the lack of development. Overall I am happy with my phone on stock Kit-Kat with it unlocked and rooted. I am able to remove some of the bloat which helps a lot. But it would be nice to see a custom ROM that allows overclocking and tweaking of the system to improve stability.
As it stands, I will stay with Kit-Kat and not upgrade to Lollipop. I have read way too many complaints about it, and as I said earlier, when I tried it on my tablet I was not at all impressed.
..since sadly, I'm really not impressed with Lollipop. Battery life seems worse, the supposedly better interface feels far inferior to me and various other small little things that made me realise I really, really liked 4.4.4.
So I have some questions:
1) What's the process to follow for this? I've seen some links I *think* are right, but can't be sure. (Note that I'm considering rooting and would want to keep my DRM keys etc., if I can).
2) I assume the phone will be wiped as this won't be like upgrading was to Lollipop. So I'd have to backup all my data (although I know this is best practice anyway).
3) Is there a stock version of 4.4.4 as opposed to Sony's original FW that I could use?
4) Or potentially even CM11?
5) If not, is there some way I could get the quick pin unlock feature I used to love in CM on my Xperia Z?
Thanks as always, all.
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..since sadly, I'm really not impressed with Lollipop. Battery life seems worse, the supposedly better interface feels far inferior to me and various other small little things that made me realise I really, really liked 4.4.4.
So I have some questions:
1) What's the process to follow for this? I've seen some links I *think* are right, but can't be sure. (Note that I'm considering rooting and would want to keep my DRM keys etc., if I can).
2) I assume the phone will be wiped as this won't be like upgrading was to Lollipop. So I'd have to backup all my data (although I know this is best practice anyway).
3) Is there a stock version of 4.4.4 as opposed to Sony's original FW that I could use?
4) Or potentially even CM11?
5) If not, is there some way I could get the quick pin unlock feature I used to love in CM on my Xperia Z?
Thanks as always, all.
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Here you go everything is explained HERE.
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Here you go everything is explained HERE.
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Thanks. That covers #1 and #2, but not the rest.
And when I say stock, I mean non-Sony, original Android. Without any "helpful" additions from our phone manufacturer
I don't know if it's likely I'll get the answers to my latter questions, but the former ones were partly out of being worried I'd screw up the process of downgrading (even though I had a general idea of what guides I might follow).
However, on the off chance that anyone else was equally worried, I performed the downgrade at the weekend, followed the steps carefully and it worked like a dream. I am very, very happy to be back on KK/4.4.4!
I just wanted to reassure anyone who might be in a similar position. Lollipop is, for the time being, definitely not for me.
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I don't know if it's likely I'll get the answers to my latter questions, but the former ones were partly out of being worried I'd screw up the process of downgrading (even though I had a general idea of what guides I might follow).
However, on the off chance that anyone else was equally worried, I performed the downgrade at the weekend, followed the steps carefully and it worked like a dream. I am very, very happy to be back on KK/4.4.4!
I just wanted to reassure anyone who might be in a similar position. Lollipop is, for the time being, definitely not for me.
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how is 4.4 doing for you? I'm considering switching to 4.4 too from 5.1. I don't use most of the new features that lollipop offers although I do have a moto 360. i rechecked the best new features of v5 and I believe I can live without them in exchange for:
1-stability
2-much better battery
3-camera quality
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how is 4.4 doing for you? I'm considering switching to 4.4 too from 5.1. I don't use most of the new features that lollipop offers although I do have a moto 360. i rechecked the best new features of v5 and I believe I can live without them in exchange for:
1-stability
2-much better battery
3-camera quality
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I tried some LP versions but in the end I always roll back to KK.
1. Stability - no difference between LP and KK
2. Battery - for me personally I get more battery out of KK, about half a day more (on average 2 full days vs 1.5 days)
3. Camera - no diff between LP and KK
In the end for me it's about the battery and the simple fact that I don't like the LP interface, but yeah, it's a personal choice
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schnidex said:
..since sadly, I'm really not impressed with Lollipop. Battery life seems worse, the supposedly better interface feels far inferior to me and various other small little things that made me realise I really, really liked 4.4.4.
So I have some questions:
1) What's the process to follow for this? I've seen some links I *think* are right, but can't be sure. (Note that I'm considering rooting and would want to keep my DRM keys etc., if I can).
2) I assume the phone will be wiped as this won't be like upgrading was to Lollipop. So I'd have to backup all my data (although I know this is best practice anyway).
3) Is there a stock version of 4.4.4 as opposed to Sony's original FW that I could use?
4) Or potentially even CM11?
5) If not, is there some way I could get the quick pin unlock feature I used to love in CM on my Xperia Z?
Thanks as always, all.
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Regarding 3 and 4, check the development section.. There is a KK Miui rom and some other modified, debloated and optimized stock KK roms, but I can't find any CM rom.
Do you need to be rooted to be able to follow that guide (use flashtool)? because I try to be jailbreak-free and root-free in all my devices to save on any headaches that it might cause.
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Do you need to be rooted to be able to follow that guide (use flashtool)? because I try to be jailbreak-free and root-free in all my devices to save on any headaches that it might cause.
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No you don't
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Chadie said:
how is 4.4 doing for you? I'm considering switching to 4.4 too from 5.1. I don't use most of the new features that lollipop offers although I do have a moto 360. i rechecked the best new features of v5 and I believe I can live without them in exchange for:
1-stability
2-much better battery
3-camera quality
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I couldn't be happier, really. 4.4 is pretty much perfect.
Got my Droid Turbo recently and decided to upgrade to 5.1 to try it out a few days ago. I hate it-- performance/compatbility w/ apps is completely ruined and my battery drains faster. I also despise the UI of Lollipop.
Can't seem to figure out a way to get back to 4.4.4. Bootloader is locked, so I can't flash the factory 4.4.4 stock image.
Can't be done for now buddy. It is highly unlikely it ever will be.
bjoostema said:
Can't be done for now buddy. It is highly unlikely it ever will be.
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You're right! Even if your bootloader was unlocked you would get a bootloop (Tried this before)
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P0PETIN said:
You're right! Even if your bootloader was unlocked...
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If the boot loader is unlocked, you can do what you want! If you know how to do.
P0PETIN said:
You're right! Even if your bootloader was unlocked you would get a bootloop (Tried this before)
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I fooled around for a little bit and found out there's a Material Dark theme for the keyboard (along w/ holo white and holo blue), so my major UI complaint is gone (white keyboard). Only other complaint regarding UI is the fact that I have to swipe and then touch the top of the screen to get to my settings.
I read up for a little bit, people are saying that factory resetting/wiping after installing the OTA update fixes performance/battery issues. Gonna try it out, thank you for the response.
aedando said:
I read up for a little bit, people are saying that factory resetting/wiping after installing the OTA update fixes performance/battery issues. Gonna try it out, thank you for the response.
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This worked for me. My battery was a lot worse after updating. Especially while not using the phone. I did a factory reset and battery life is probably a little better than when it was on kk.
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I fooled around for a little bit and found out there's a Material Dark theme for the keyboard (along w/ holo white and holo blue), so my major UI complaint is gone (white keyboard). Only other complaint regarding UI is the fact that I have to swipe and then touch the top of the screen to get to my settings.
I read up for a little bit, people are saying that factory resetting/wiping after installing the OTA update fixes performance/battery issues. Gonna try it out, thank you for the response.
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Double finger swipe down gets the quick settings open.
Dude it's android the beautiful thing about that is its fully customizable wtf?
aedando said:
Got my Droid Turbo recently and decided to upgrade to 5.1 to try it out a few days ago. I hate it-- performance/compatbility w/ apps is completely ruined and my battery drains faster. I also despise the UI of Lollipop.
Can't seem to figure out a way to get back to 4.4.4. Bootloader is locked, so I can't flash the factory 4.4.4 stock image.
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I should preface all my posts with: "this is just my thought process and not anything official / backed by research."
That said... 5.1 is very very new to the Turbo. So new, in fact that I highly doubt, boxed, in inventory, phones have been upgraded.
So lets say you have a warranty or insurance of some kind.. and your Turbo happens to... fall in a toilet.. run over by a garbage truck....eaten by a lion...
The replacement Turbo you would get, would, statistically, be running 4.4.4 and not 5.1
Yup.
It's funny how some people are dying to get 5.1 while others want to go back to 4.4.4
Regarding battery and performance, a lot of people have reported better battery life and performance after wiping cache, if not satisfied full wipe.
Regarding the rest, I agree with you, it takes a while to get used to, and without the ability to root and use nice customisation apps to tune it to the way you like it, this can be stressful. Despite that, soon enough you can get root on 5.1 and you should be able to tweak it using Xposed and the such.
I know exactly how you feel as I am currently on a 4.4.4 stock unrooted. Which sucks compared to my lovely rooted fully customised experience. I had to though to use my company corporate apps (MobileIron) which detects root and complains about almost everything unless stock. Stupid app. So for me I would swap my 4.4.4 unlocked with your 5.1 stock any time of the day because I can't modify it anyway.
Good luck mate. Try to calculate your risk, this is a pretty expensive device and I won't risk hard bricking it.
The 5.1 update I side-loaded doubled my battery life and makes it fly. Hasn't lagged one time. Using Nova Pro and DU Battery Saver. I'm a power user and it lasts all day and late into the morning.
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Despite that, soon enough you can get root on 5.1 and you should be able to tweak it using Xposed and the such.
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Not trying to be all negative, but this isn't exactly correct. There is no guarantee 5.1 users will ever see root. With the Turbo soon(ish) to hit it's first birthday, (for what I've seen) developers tend to go for the latest/greatest/newest challenge (IE: the latest phone to tweak with). Everyday there is less and less appeal to root the Turbo as everyday there are less and less Turbo users. (upgrades and whatnot)
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Not trying to be all negative, but this isn't exactly correct. There is no guarantee 5.1 users will ever see root. With the Turbo soon(ish) to hit it's first birthday, (for what I've seen) developers tend to go for the latest/greatest/newest challenge (IE: the latest phone to tweak with). Everyday there is less and less appeal to root the Turbo as everyday there are less and less Turbo users. (upgrades and whatnot)
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We knew this would happen when we choose the Turbo over the Moto X, the turbo has terrible support because it is not a mainstreamer. We have to live with the risks and work with the challenges. I am not considering root, but I am confident that's it is going to happen, the same problem was facing unlocking the droid turbo and rooting it, and even though it was very late but it did happen. It's only a matter of time.
I have learned my lesson from this and I am sticking with the more supported devices despite all the extras. Moto X 2015 is my next device if it ends up being half as decent as the rumours.
I never experienced battery drains before (Only when I overclocked) but either way I just use Greenify to manage battery life and trust me it works and if the bootloader is unlocked it may depend on the device your trying to downgrade. In my experience I tried to downgrade a S5 T-Mobile using Odin using official ROM from samsung and got the phone into a bootloop until I downloaded lollipop (Latest version) and it stopped but I hope you get a work around this.
Cheers!!
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Not trying to be all negative, but this isn't exactly correct. There is no guarantee 5.1 users will ever see root. With the Turbo soon(ish) to hit it's first birthday, (for what I've seen) developers tend to go for the latest/greatest/newest challenge (IE: the latest phone to tweak with). Everyday there is less and less appeal to root the Turbo as everyday there are less and less Turbo users. (upgrades and whatnot)
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I am running my Moto E 2015 with 5.1.1 rooted and xposed framework
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I am running my Moto E 2015 with 5.1.1 rooted and xposed framework
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Right, sorry, I should've been more specific... "there's no guarantee Verizon Droid Turbo 5.1 users"
Kiwironic said:
It's funny how some people are dying to get 5.1 while others want to go back to 4.4.4
Regarding battery and performance, a lot of people have reported better battery life and performance after wiping cache, if not satisfied full wipe.
Regarding the rest, I agree with you, it takes a while to get used to, and without the ability to root and use nice customisation apps to tune it to the way you like it, this can be stressful. Despite that, soon enough you can get root on 5.1 and you should be able to tweak it using Xposed and the such.
I know exactly how you feel as I am currently on a 4.4.4 stock unrooted. Which sucks compared to my lovely rooted fully customised experience. I had to though to use my company corporate apps (MobileIron) which detects root and complains about almost everything unless stock. Stupid app. So for me I would swap my 4.4.4 unlocked with your 5.1 stock any time of the day because I can't modify it anyway.
Good luck mate. Try to calculate your risk, this is a pretty expensive device and I won't risk hard bricking it.
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I'm just going to wait until there's an established way to get back to 4.4.4. If there isn't, then too bad for me then
Also, I cleared cleared my cache data and now everything's running amazing and using less battery. What an odd fix.
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I'm just going to wait until there's an established way to get back to 4.4.4. If there isn't, then too bad for me then
Also, I cleared cleared my cache data and now everything's running amazing and using less battery. What an odd fix.
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Only way to do that is a bootloader unlock. You may be waiting forever.
yes you can downgrade, only if you took the ota i might write a tutorial about it
Using mofo, I can freely upgrade and downgrade between 5.1 and 4.4.4. Those who took the OTA, well, we told you so.
Ok, I've had my Z3C since october 2014 and still have several months on the contract.
Other than the battery running less hours, Its pretty much been running great and don't mind keeping it for a while.
Its rooted with KitKat. Has a unlockable bootloader. And I know LP is out there, I wasn't too keen on the look originally, but seen many people using it as standard. I haven't for the year been following the forums, just busy, so.
My question, with all that's happened. There's a lot to sift through over a year, in a nutshell - is a rooted LP stable/smooth to use everyday with xposed? What are the basic hates of LP different to KK?
Is MM ready or still too early? Would it be better to wait, as KK is like windows 7 to me lol. It works lol.
Has the camera improved at all? What happened to RAW implementation?
it seems that other phones that use the same exmor sensor, in my eyes (as a pro photographer) their images handle contrast/colours better and backlighting.
Btw has anybody changed their battery? Is it possible?
Hope it's not a lot to ask. There's way too much forums to search through of 365 days lol.
Sensible or weird answers please lol. Thx
I wish their was a table or something that showed this or a chart. I'm now asking a lot.
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Ok, I've had my Z3C since october 2014 and still have several months on the contract.
Other than the battery running less hours, Its pretty much been running great and don't mind keeping it for a while.
Its rooted with KitKat. Has a unlockable bootloader. And I know LP is out there, I wasn't too keen on the look originally, but seen many people using it as standard. I haven't for the year been following the forums, just busy, so.
My question, with all that's happened. There's a lot to sift through over a year, in a nutshell - is a rooted LP stable/smooth to use everyday with xposed? What are the basic hates of LP different to KK?
Is MM ready or still too early? Would it be better to wait, as KK is like windows 7 to me lol. It works lol.
Has the camera improved at all? What happened to RAW implementation?
it seems that other phones that use the same exmor sensor, in my eyes (as a pro photographer) their images handle contrast/colours better and backlighting.
Btw has anybody changed their battery? Is it possible?
Hope it's not a lot to ask. There's way too much forums to search through of 365 days lol.
Sensible or weird answers please lol. Thx
I wish their was a table or something that showed this or a chart. I'm now asking a lot.
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1. The phone runs butter smooth and super stable with LP + root + xposed. I've been running this configuration for... three months now (since 23.4.A.1.232 FW came out). Everything runs great.
2. I think battery is still worse than on KK. I've never got more than 7,5h OST. I don't know how much I got on KitKat because I've never used it for more than a couple days so no comparison. But I've heard the phone was capable of even more than 10h OST. I don't know Anyways the battery lasts for full 2 days of usage for me. And today I'm really light user, the old days of massive gameplay came to an end for now but I always have WiFi, BT and Mobile data active so I think the battery is OK.
3. MM is not ready, still in works. We have beta program but I'd rather wait for a full release AND even a little bit more... until the bugs are solved because Sony's fresh ROM's are like a freaking bug magnet.
4. Camera - no comparison to KK. I think it sometimes behaves like it was confused. Overall it's good, pictures are great but sometimes I miss my old Xperia T. It did incredible photos (https://goo.gl/photos/sGQGy4mmPu7pSfLi8 - enjoy!)...
5. No RAW... "We're cooked"... for now
6. Battery replacement is possible but it is very complex, you have to remove the whole motherboard to change the batery because it's underneath and there is no way to access it other than removing back panel. I'd suggest sending the phone to warranty claiming that there's something wrong with the battery. Maybe they'll replace it
7. Awesome phone, I'm glad I switched from Xperia T to Z3C
Cheers!
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1. The phone runs butter smooth and super stable with LP + root + xposed. I've been running this configuration for... three months now (since 23.4.A.1.232 FW came out). Everything runs great.
2. I think battery is still worse than on KK. I've never got more than 7,5h OST. I don't know how much I got on KitKat because I've never used it for more than a couple days so no comparison. But I've heard the phone was capable of even more than 10h OST. I don't know Anyways the battery lasts for full 2 days of usage for me. And today I'm really light user, the old days of massive gameplay came to an end for now but I always have WiFi, BT and Mobile data active so I think the battery is OK.
3. MM is not ready, still in works. We have beta program but I'd rather wait for a full release AND even a little bit more... until the bugs are solved because Sony's fresh ROM's are like a freaking bug magnet.
4. Camera - no comparison to KK. I think it sometimes behaves like it was confused. Overall it's good, pictures are great but sometimes I miss my old Xperia T. It did incredible photos (https://goo.gl/photos/sGQGy4mmPu7pSfLi8 - enjoy!)...
5. No RAW... "We're cooked"... for now
6. Battery replacement is possible but it is very complex, you have to remove the whole motherboard to change the batery because it's underneath and there is no way to access it other than removing back panel. I'd suggest sending the phone to warranty claiming that there's something wrong with the battery. Maybe they'll replace it
7. Awesome phone, I'm glad I switched from Xperia T to Z3C
Cheers!
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Wow. That's exactly what I wanted know.
So the camera not any better and No Raw, typical Sony. Too bad. I don't know how the other phone makers are doing it, using the same sensor as well.
Yeah, I know we've moved on, but my nokia n95 with zeiss lense took amazing images even if a little noisy.
Yeah, sony is determinately a software bug magnet. I remember the headaches with sonicstage minidisc days lol.
I thought the battery would be difficult to change. I thought If I could it, it will act like a new phone again. I did my HTC One x, so may look into it anyway.
Really appreciate the time you took for the info I needed.
Btw love the beemer 5 series. Classic. Your sony T really took great images.
Update. After your positive reply.
I went ahead and installed 5.1.1 STOCK 23.4.A.1.264 SLiM 4.5.
Runs really well. Xposed functions great. And it has new camera libraries from the Z5 (though I haven't tested/compared yet).
Overall a really good rom for locked AND unlocked bootloader phones.
cheers