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What's needed to work on the Bootloader

What are we needing in order to figure out how to unlock or bypass the AT&T Bootloader?
I downloaded the stock files and have the aboot.mbn and the sbl1/sdi.mdn files. I have never worked on bootloader files before, but have some experience modding kernel and ROM level code.
This may be ignorant on my part - but since we have the files, couldn't we open and manipulate the code that is currently restricting 3rd party recoveries, kernels and ROMS?
What is needed? And/or, could we not utilize the modified bootloaders from another device with similar architecture? Perhaps like the Note 3 or even the S4; not to mention the T-Mobile S5? Since the T-Mobile and AT&T versions of all Samsung phones are almost identical, I would assume that would be the easist route - at least to help determine the differences that are restricting our device.....
Let me know if anyone needs these files or has info on what to look for within them.... I'm happy to mod anything on my end.
Thanks !

Because it is locked we can't just flash over it with another one due to signatures and miss match.
Need to research into the os and associated code to find an exploit that can be used like safestrap.
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TheArtiszan said:
Because it is locked we can't just flash over it with another one due to signatures and miss match.
Need to research into the os and associated code to find an exploit that can be used like safestrap.
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Or if someone that works at AT&T or Samsung would be nice enough to leak a signing key or a signed unlocked bootloader.

Key from Tmobile S5
T-mobile S5 is rooted. Can we find the signing key used for Tmobile phones? Is there is a remote chance keys are same?
Will recoveries on Tmobile and ATT phone be same?

yoonus said:
T-mobile S5 is rooted. Can we find the signing key used for Tmobile phones? Is there is a remote chance keys are same?
Will recoveries on Tmobile and ATT phone be same?
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Thats a good question. I wonder if we know how many keys the S5 will accept for signed updates? I.e. Is there a Samsung and a AT&T key for all S5's or is it per model or is it derived somehow from the IEMI.

Why would the developers even waste their time on the AT&T S5? They know the story behind it. Same ol' thing. I would rather have them actually develop roms on the T-Mobile S5, which we all can use btw, instead of wasting time on trying to unlock the bootloader. If it could be hacked, it would have, LONG AGO!

yoonus said:
T-mobile S5 is rooted. Can we find the signing key used for Tmobile phones? Is there is a remote chance keys are same?
Will recoveries on Tmobile and ATT phone be same?
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How would the key used for the G900T be helpful? Its not like the key is on some partition somewhere

MattMJB0188 said:
Why would the developers even waste their time on the AT&T S5? They know the story behind it. Same ol' thing. I would rather have them actually develop roms on the T-Mobile S5, which we all can use btw, instead of wasting time on trying to unlock the bootloader. If it could be hacked, it would have, LONG AGO!
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Well to be fair, if you took the best developers and hardware/software hackers in the world and put them in a room with an amazing salary.. it would be hacked..
So lets not say that its impossible. It is just extremely difficult and beyond the scope of the few developers (if any) that are still around trying to crack into it. The problem is that there aren't that many people that just want to sit around trying to figure out a way to make it work, they would rather move to different phones and carriers instead, because its just overall easier.

MattMJB0188 said:
Why would the developers even waste their time on the AT&T S5? They know the story behind it. Same ol' thing. I would rather have them actually develop roms on the T-Mobile S5, which we all can use btw, instead of wasting time on trying to unlock the bootloader. If it could be hacked, it would have, LONG AGO!
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Yep, hate to burst anyone's bubble who has a G900A, but it's not going to happen... EVER. Options are to hold out for a developer edition phone from Samsung or get a T-mobile version... which is exactly the same thing minus the restrictions. Or if you are pissed at AT&T, just find another carrier. Maybe if there was enough churn from this, they would stop doing it.

enigma99a said:
Yep, hate to burst anyone's bubble who has a G900A, but it's not going to happen... EVER. Options are to hold out for a developer edition phone from Samsung or get a T-mobile version... which is exactly the same thing minus the restrictions. Or if you are pissed at AT&T, just find another carrier. Maybe if there was enough churn from this, they would stop doing it.
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The s5 will get root same as the s4 did. People just need to be patient. There is definitely a dev that is working to unlock this thing. Everyone said the same thing about the s4 and now look

enigma99a said:
Yep, hate to burst anyone's bubble who has a G900A, but it's not going to happen... EVER. Options are to hold out for a developer edition phone from Samsung or get a T-mobile version... which is exactly the same thing minus the restrictions. Or if you are pissed at AT&T, just find another carrier. Maybe if there was enough churn from this, they would stop doing it.
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People like you make me laugh. Not even 2 weeks after release and you're already declaring the device will NEVER get root. Lol.

karmuh said:
People like you make me laugh. Not even 2 weeks after release and you're already declaring the device will NEVER get root. Lol.
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Yea I don't think its fair to say it "will never" or "cannot be" done.

PunchLick said:
Yea I don't think its fair to say it "will never" or "cannot be" done.
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Exactly. It can be done and it will be done. Anyone thinking otherwise is pretty naive. But then again, it's expected from those who don't even have the AT&T model, but continue to post in the AT&T section.

nbrent1007 said:
The s5 will get root same as the s4 did. People just need to be patient. There is definitely a dev that is working to unlock this thing. Everyone said the same thing about the s4 and now look
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This thread is about the boot loader, not getting root.
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Yea I don't think its fair to say it "will never" or "cannot be" done.
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No. Again, there is a difference from root and unlocking the bootloader. I was referring to the bootloader as that's what this thread is discussing. I never said it was impossible, it is quite possible just takes a lot of hard work. My prediction is that it will never be fully unlocked.

enigma99a said:
This thread is about the boot loader, not getting root.
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No. Again, there is a difference from root and unlocking the bootloader. I was referring to the bootloader as that's what this thread is discussing. I never said it was impossible, it is quite possible just takes a lot of hard work. My prediction is that it will never be fully unlocked.
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I don't want to even have to worry about if it will or not, because I don't know who or how many are working on an exploit..
That's why I am switching to the One M8, but either way if/when something does change I may switch back.. I just would rather have fun now!

PunchLick said:
I don't want to even have to worry about if it will or not, because I don't know who or how many are working on an exploit..
That's why I am switching to the One M8, but either way if/when something does change I may switch back.. I just would rather have fun now!
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You can always put in a bounty in the Verizon thread. So devs like myself who have experience cracking and exploiting might show some interest

enigma99a said:
You can always put in a bounty in the Verizon thread. So devs like myself who have experience cracking and exploiting might show some interest
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Id rather just not worry about it.
I do love Samsung, but HTC is the ethical choice.
Another one might be moving to TMO, but we shall seeee.......

PunchLick said:
Id rather just not worry about it.
I do love Samsung, but HTC is the ethical choice.
Another one might be moving to TMO, but we shall seeee.......
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+1. Loved Sammy but went to M8.
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enigma99a said:
You can always put in a bounty in the Verizon thread. So devs like myself who have experience cracking and exploiting might show some interest
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that bounty is up there pretty high already just sayin

cyberace1985 said:
that bounty is up there pretty high already just sayin
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I think the problem is SELinux is an extremely tough nut to crack(and I'm guessing you could easily get a six figure payday for an unknown SELinux/PaX kernel exploit in the black market at this point). Pretty much every linux kernel vulnerability exploit code I've seen fails on all of my boxes with SELinux, PAX and hardened GCC(one of these protection mechanisms always ends up killing the exploit before it can deliver its payload). Do we know exactly what SELinux and PAX(if any) features were enabled in the .config that Samsung used to compile the kernel (and if a hardened toolchain was used for the userland)? At least from what I've seen a properly configured SELinux box with Pax and hardened GCC is one of the toughest boxes to crack. I guess what we can hope for is that someone at Samsung did something stupid otherwise its quite possible we could be waiting for awhile(unless a key or signed unlocked bootloader leaks).
(edit: This applies to getting root through a kernel exploit.(Although with SELinux that isn't enough you need to not only be UID0 root but you also have to switch the role to sysadm_r. The bootloader I'm not 100 percent sure on the secure boot process but my understanding from reading other dev's threads is that this will be even harder than getting a root escalation in the SELinux kernel). Although if we could crack the bl we could just inject root easily.

New Tab s 8.4 T705 on the way

Ordered my T705 today and should be here tomorrow. I had the wifi and missed it after I thought I didnt need it. After a few months I decided it was time to get another one but this time Im going with a 4G model.
What Rom are most people using with the t705?

randybellis said:
Ordered my T705 today and should be here tomorrow. I had the wifi and missed it after I thought I didnt need it. After a few months I decided it was time to get another one but this time Im going with a 4G model.
What Rom are most people using with the t705?
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Probably stock.

Stock, rooted, heavily debloated. Runs beautifully for me and has been consistent in the 7 8 months I've had the tablet. Blisspop is a excellent AOSP ROM. If you are going that route I'd definitely recommend it. You also have lollipop now, haven't had a chance to see how it performs with TW. I'm still waiting on it for mine

Ripx88 said:
Stock, rooted, heavily debloated. Runs beautifully for me and has been consistent in the 7 8 months I've had the tablet. Blisspop is a excellent AOSP ROM. If you are going that route I'd definitely recommend it. You also have lollipop now, haven't had a chance to see how it performs with TW. I'm still waiting on it for mine
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Mobile data doesn't work with blisspop, also there's no tw lollipop for the t705 yet..
I would say stock with skyhigh kernel is best for now..
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MohamedN said:
Mobile data doesn't work with blisspop, also there's no tw lollipop for the t705 yet..
I would say stock with skyhigh kernel is best for now..
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Yea I read post to fast. Was on my way out. Was referring to the WiFi 8.4 in my post not realizing he was talking about LTE version. I still can't get LTE on skyhigh kernel or else I'd probably be running it too. 807 model is such a small group of people no one develops for it. Hopefully this month the LTE versions both get lollipop. Would be nice.

Ripx88 said:
Yea I read post to fast. Was on my way out. Was referring to the WiFi 8.4 in my post not realizing he was talking about LTE version. I still can't get LTE on skyhigh kernel or else I'd probably be running it too. 807 model is such a small group of people no one develops for it. Hopefully this month the LTE versions both get lollipop. Would be nice.
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Well AT&T F'ed me over. I ordered it Friday and for some reason the order didnt go through. So I ordered t again today and I will have it this week. As long as I can get room with the skyhigh kernel I'll be happy.
Does anyone use this as a phone?

randybellis said:
Well AT&T F'ed me over. I ordered it Friday and for some reason the order didnt go through. So I ordered t again today and I will have it this week. As long as I can get room with the skyhigh kernel I'll be happy.
Does anyone use this as a phone?
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How did you get a T705 from AT&T?
Their Tab S 8.4" is bootloader locked and you cannot root or ROM it.

CZ Eddie said:
How did you get a T705 from AT&T?
Their Tab S 8.4" is bootloader locked and you cannot root or ROM it.
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Exactly! And it (the T707) doesn't have ear speakers or phone/sms capabilities.

diverdown said:
Exactly! And it (the T707) doesn't have ear speakers or phone/sms capabilities.
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Thanks, I couldn't remember their model number.
I just know I bought one.
Had it delivered.
Then did a lot of cussing when I found out I couldn't even root the stupid thing.
Ended up buying a T705 from Amazon and put it in my T-Mobile plan for $10/month which gets it 3G but no calling.
Hope this dude gets notified by email whenever someone quotes him so he can cancel his T707-A order because I'm assuming that's what he's purchased from AT&T.
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Hey, welcome to XDA btw. One post in seven years!

diverdown said:
Exactly! And it (the T707) doesn't have ear speakers or phone/sms capabilities.
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Excuse me! it the 707A. So this cannot be rooted? If that is the case I will be taking back TOMORROW!

randybellis said:
Excuse me! it the 707A. So this cannot be rooted? If that is the case I will be taking back TOMORROW!
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Take it back! No root for T707a! Go go go! Make sure it's a T705!
-DUHA

DUHAsianSKILLZ said:
Take it back! No root for T707a! Go go go! Make sure it's a T705!
-DUHA
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thats depressing. I really like this tablet. I wish there was a good ALT to go to. I am stuck with AT&T. Temped to get an Ipad mini. lol

Are there just no debs with the a
AT&T model to get root? That's all I really want. I don't care as long as I can root
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The locked bootloader on the T707 makes rooting almost impossible. However, there have been some promising developments in the last week from Team Keen, who may have found an exploitable vulnerability in the linux kernel. There are active teams working on rooting the Galaxy S6 Duos (SM-G9200) and the Galaxy Note 4 (ATT and Verizon). So I'm cautiously optimistic that if those devices can be rooted then those exploits can be ported over to the T707.

randybellis said:
Ordered my T705 today and should be here tomorrow. I had the wifi and missed it after I thought I didnt need it. After a few months I decided it was time to get another one but this time Im going with a 4G model.
What Rom are most people using with the t705?
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Congratulation for both choosing a title that sounds like there is a new model underway and asking a question outside of the Q&A forum. :good:

TheGoD said:
Congratulation for both choosing a title that sounds like there is a new model underway and asking a question outside of the Q&A forum. :good:
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instead of being a **** why dont you be more helpful. There is no need to be such an asshole. Why not next time say :hey, not to be an ass but you posted this in the wrong forum. And I thought I had looked up the proper model. I was educated in the process. Figured someone with a name like "the god" would come across all high and mighty

You can use the international t705 on ATT. It'll just be 3G/HSPA, no LTE.

Is the S5 still a good phone to get in 2016?

About to get warranty replacement phone thru my carrier tomorrow.
Was offered S5 and an alternate to my G3 since they were out of stock.
If you were in my shoes, which phone would you get?!
Thanks in advance

S5

The S5 is still a very capable phone. The display is top notch. It would really depend on what carrier you are with though. I know the att variant cant be rooted or unlocked currently and verizon has theirs locked down too, but as long as it comes with lollipop (5.x.x) software the verizon variant can be unlocked all the way to the bootloader.
as far as i know they are the only two providers who secure the s5 like fort knox. I could be wrong though. I have a verizon variant (900V) and its fully unlocked and rooted. I dont think you'll find a better phone in the same price range.

S5 is still a great phone. Only issues ive had with it over the 28 mos that ive had it is the low light blurryness with the camera and the fact that you have to swipe your thump across the fingerprint scanner. Having to do that nowadays kinda makes it feel dated. Other than those 2 issues, its a great phone!!

I just got an S5 to replace my S4 and I love it. I'm on AT&T and got the Tmobile version for the unlocked bootloader. I would totally get this phone again.

Its a great phone!

Green Bastard said:
The S5 is still a very capable phone. I have a verizon variant (900V) and its fully unlocked and rooted.
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I have a s5 900v like you (verizon) & got it 12 days ago. . When did you root yours? I *had* lollipop until last Thursday after accidentally pressing the screen through my pocket....which proceded to accept the update I was avoiding. Now I have marshmellow and I'm not happy ???*
Been fishing through XDA and haven't found anything about rooting s5 on mm. Anyone have something to share with me? Thanks

http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...t/rd-unlocking-galaxys-s5-bootloader-t3337909
That's for bootloader unlocking, some Google searching should get you root too
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youdoofus said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...t/rd-unlocking-galaxys-s5-bootloader-t3337909
That's for bootloader unlocking, some Google searching should get you root too
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I tried the root method (link within the thread u posted) about a week ago & had problems. To make a long story short, check out my remarks on pages 1-2 in this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s5/help/to-root-t3330514/page2
I'm just looking to root my g900v s5. I don't want to mess around with the bootloader (not yet anyway). I just want root before Marshmellow or verizon release another update to patch the *open* vulnerability.
If the dumb MM update didn't happen I would've had time to find lollipop root. I never had a problem w/ my s4 where the screen would allow a touch through pants or shirt pocket. Thought these things were sensitive to the touch of skin not clothing?? Cause of my problem was losing my s4 over July 4th weekend that I rooted w/ towelroot in 05/2014 (that I just paid off in May over 24 months w/ verizon)

Right on. Well, if the bootloader unlock is there, root has to be possible too. I'll see what I can find later. We are busy as hell on Mondays at work
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have you tried kingroot? not kingoroot

youdoofus said:
Right on. Well, if the bootloader unlock is there, root has to be possible too. I'll see what I can find later. We are busy as hell on Mondays at work
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have you tried kingroot? not kingoroot
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Root looked do-able by what @painiac put together, which is similar to @jkrause's is in the link you shared.
Kingroot: no go
OneClick: no go
Towelroot: no go
The root (sorry, couldn't resist) of my problem is that I can't get a PC to recognize my s5 as removable storage. Since they don't this has prevented me from going any further. Take your time and pass on whatever you can...whenever that time is.
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youdoofus said:
Right on. Well, if the bootloader unlock is there, root has to be possible too. I'll see what I can find later. We are busy as hell on Mondays at work
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have you tried kingroot? not kingoroot
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Root looked do-able by what @painiac put together, which is similar to @jkrause's is in the link you shared.
Kingroot: no go
OneClick: no go
Towelroot: no go
The root (sorry, couldn't resist) of my problem is that I can't get a PC to recognize my s5 as removable storage. Since they don't this has prevented me from going any further. Take your time and pass on whatever you can...whenever that time is. Thanks

Lane W. said:
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Root looked do-able by what @painiac put together, which is similar to @jkrause's is in the link you shared.
Kingroot: no go
OneClick: no go
Towelroot: no go
The root (sorry, couldn't resist) of my problem is that I can't get a PC to recognize my s5 as removable storage. Since they don't this has prevented me from going any further. Take your time and pass on whatever you can...whenever that time is. Thanks
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CLEVER!!! LoL! No, that was actually pretty funny! But oneclick and towel doesnt surprise me, but kingroot has been the "if nothing else works" as of late. I have a root program on my computer that i cant recall the name of off hand, and it does look like a malware program, but its been the go-to when all else fails. Ill look at my desktop icons and remind myself what it is when i get home. Its some chinese .exe is that helps in the interim
found it, its called "v root"
it looks like its malware, but the one i got works fine
here is a bit of an older article that lists it first as a good program to root stuff
http://www.3ptechies.com/9-best-software-apps-to-root-android-devices.html

tiguy99 said:
About to get warranty replacement phone thru my carrier tomorrow.
Was offered S5 and an alternate to my G3 since they were out of stock.
If you were in my shoes, which phone would you get?!
Thanks in advance
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I'd stay clear of Samsung from my experiences:
- issues with warranty and knox
- not easy to customise / flash / fix OEM issues with bloatware, root, other ROM issues that require root
- many variants mean even after 8 years of flashing ROMs, I still can't find what I need in the SGS5 section. I don't know what ROMs can be flashed to my device, the information is sparse and not easy to follow or understand
I'm looking to go back to HTC - they don't mind you rooting / customising (unless this has changed in the last couple years).

dieselboy said:
I'd stay clear of Samsung from my experiences:
- issues with warranty and knox
- not easy to customise / flash / fix OEM issues with bloatware, root, other ROM issues that require root
- many variants mean even after 8 years of flashing ROMs, I still can't find what I need in the SGS5 section. I don't know what ROMs can be flashed to my device, the information is sparse and not easy to follow or understand
I'm looking to go back to HTC - they don't mind you rooting / customising (unless this has changed in the last couple years).
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I disagree with this (respectfully). I've never had to return a Samsung because of warranty related issues or return one period, so warranty and Knox are all but irrelevant. Customization is a snap, flashing is a breeze, and bloatware (which is caused by the carrier most often) is easily solved with titanium backup. There are many variants, yes, but all the Roms are cross compatible as long as you flash the snapdragon based processor ones on a snapdragon powered device. The only sgs5s that were problematic were the at&t and (of course) vzw ones because of the carriers deciding to lock the @&$%/!? Bootloaders. Sprint and tmob sgs5s have always been an absolute cakewalk. Hell, I've bricked mine intentionally just to see if I could actually kill it. It's actually harder than one would think to seriously screw up a sgs5 esp a g900p

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I disagree with this (respectfully). I've never had to return a Samsung because of warranty related issues or return one period, so warranty and Knox are all but irrelevant. Customization is a snap, flashing is a breeze, and bloatware (which is caused by the carrier most often) is easily solved with titanium backup. There are many variants, yes, but all the Roms are cross compatible as long as you flash the snapdragon based processor ones on a snapdragon powered device. The only sgs5s that were problematic were the at&t and (of course) vzw ones because of the carriers deciding to lock the @&$%/!? Bootloaders. Sprint and tmob sgs5s have always been an absolute cakewalk. Hell, I've bricked mine intentionally just to see if I could actually kill it. It's actually harder than one would think to seriously screw up a sgs5 esp a g900p
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Hi mate, of course this is a difference of opinion and I'm not posting here to argue with you so much as to give reasons for my post above.
When I say warranty issues, I mean in a sense that if you flash anything to your samsung then you've voided your warranty. If you customise on day 1, knox efuse are blown and it's impossible to revert what you have done. In this case your warranty is voided and samsung can refuse to honour any warranty issues irrelevant to your flashing. Basically you make changes to software on your device and later there is a hardware issue such as microphone not working - samsung don't have to honour that claim.
Flashing is a complete pain in the bum, to be honest. What makes it harder is these forums don't contain all of the information you need in once place. Compared to my previous devices such as HTC, you simply do a wipe and install the new rom. With the samsung you need to do the same PLUS find and flash the correct bootloader and modem. And this isn't even taking into consideration the knox trip issue. The roms aren't cross-compatible unless I've missed that bit of information? You technically can flash a g900F ROM to a g900i but to get it to boot you need to do additional steps. NFC and call recording wont work, though. So, no you can't really flash that way. Samsung may have made it easier for you guys in the USA, not sure.
I disagree about the bloatware statement, samsung have their own rubbish in there as well and most of it is redundant and not necessary. There's a samsung app store and a samsung account thing that lets you find your phone - google has all of that.
Lastly, when you trip knox this actually physically prevents some functionality on your phone, but I've never tried using that functionality anyway (although I did want to try it out). From memory this is a secure parition on the phone that you set up for your work, which is completely separate from the personal things on your phone which can be seen to make it more secure.
All the best,

dieselboy said:
Hi mate, of course this is a difference of opinion and I'm not posting here to argue with you so much as to give reasons for my post above.
When I say warranty issues, I mean in a sense that if you flash anything to your samsung then you've voided your warranty. If you customise on day 1, knox efuse are blown and it's impossible to revert what you have done. In this case your warranty is voided and samsung can refuse to honour any warranty issues irrelevant to your flashing. Basically you make changes to software on your device and later there is a hardware issue such as microphone not working - samsung don't have to honour that claim.
Flashing is a complete pain in the bum, to be honest. What makes it harder is these forums don't contain all of the information you need in once place. Compared to my previous devices such as HTC, you simply do a wipe and install the new rom. With the samsung you need to do the same PLUS find and flash the correct bootloader and modem. And this isn't even taking into consideration the knox trip issue. The roms aren't cross-compatible unless I've missed that bit of information? You technically can flash a g900F ROM to a g900i but to get it to boot you need to do additional steps. NFC and call recording wont work, though. So, no you can't really flash that way. Samsung may have made it easier for you guys in the USA, not sure.
I disagree about the bloatware statement, samsung have their own rubbish in there as well and most of it is redundant and not necessary. There's a samsung app store and a samsung account thing that lets you find your phone - google has all of that.
Lastly, when you trip knox this actually physically prevents some functionality on your phone, but I've never tried using that functionality anyway (although I did want to try it out). From memory this is a secure parition on the phone that you set up for your work, which is completely separate from the personal things on your phone which can be seen to make it more secure.
All the best,
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I wasn't trying to argue either. It's rather hard to express tone over text I've just never had any trouble with flashing stuff on a Samsung since the epic touch 4g. Htcs have that goofy bootloader unlock that has to be done via htcdev.com. The newest Samsung I'd be willing to use is the S5 anyways because of the removable battery, external storage and waterproofing. The s6 sucks and the s7 has that dumb encrypted storage that made root hard for a while. Samsung's are far from perfect, and I'd likely be looking at a OnePlus or a Huawei in the future if I was shopping for a phone, but for those looking at either the second hand market, refurbs or a new one available for stupid cheap, S5s are great phones still.
Again, 0 arguing from me, like you said, just a differing opinion. Cheers mate! Btw, judging my the terms you used, I take it that you're in the UK, and thank goodness Jeremy Clarkson and the boys are back!!

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CLEVER!!! LoL! No, that was actually pretty funny!
found it, its called "v root". it looks like its malware, but the one i got works fine
here is a bit of an older article that lists it first as a good program to root stuff
http://www.3ptechies.com/9-best-software-apps-to-root-android-devices.html
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Should I use the links in this "older article" to possibly get to vroot? Or do you have something more current? Thanks

Lane W. said:
Should I use the links in this "older article" to possibly get to vroot? Or do you have something more current? Thanks
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Vroot has a site. Lemme look
http://vrootdownload.info/download/

youdoofus said:
Vroot has a site. Lemme look
http://vrootdownload.info/download/
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Fantastic, thanks. Just to be sure, I want to use the one click root APK the part at the top under the first description, correct? The second section, as far as I can tell, is for iroot via a PC?
Is Titanium compatible with this method of root? What about recovery? Does Vroot have its own method or could I use TWRP or SafeStrap? Have you had any complications with the modem or WiFi using your device with Vroot?
Thank you!!

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I wasn't trying to argue either. It's rather hard to express tone over text
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Again, 0 arguing from me, like you said, just a differing opinion. Cheers mate! Btw, judging my the terms you used, I take it that you're in the UK, and thank goodness Jeremy Clarkson and the boys are back!!
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I said that I wasn't arguing for that very reason - I didn't want my second post to come across in a negative way. I could see that your post had come across in a good light and wanted to keep it that way
I am from UK but living in Australia at the moment. I last heard that Chris Evans has gone from the new Top Gear - thank F... for that, he's the biggest pleb going and watching the first couple of episodes were extremely painful and cringy. A number of things Chris said in the first show were somewhat not completely correct and I eventually switched it off.
Really looking forward to watching Clarkson and the gang - they're entertaining. Their top gear was more like a sit-com, which is what it's grown into and it works pretty well. Anyone in the family can watch it even if they know nothing about cars - I'll have to google for it because I don't know any details about their new show.

root....maybe.

So @nitayart has been putting in some work on the s7....

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So @nitayart has been putting in some work on the s7....
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There's a glimmer of hope after all...
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I have a quick question about this, will it be possible to root my ATT S7 EDGE running Nougat?
Thanks.

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There's a glimmer of hope after all...
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I have a quick question about this, will it be possible to root my ATT S7 EDGE running Nougat?
Thanks.
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We don't know if it'll work for Qualcomm s7 in general yet. But if so then yeah hopefully.

WOO-HOO a glimpse of hope after almost a year of being released!! I myself will not be upgrading, am sick of financing phones... so this will be awesome for me if it can get done.

rachelm920 said:
WOO-HOO a glimpse of hope after almost a year of being released!! I myself will not be upgrading, am sick of financing phones... so this will be awesome for me if it can get done.
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Same. I'm waiting for the s9. Be sweet to have a custom recovery and Rom on this thing though.

This would be awesome, although I'm not holding my breath.

lets keep our fingers crossed that we can have a stable root on S7e soon.

Yeah root no eng boot !

If he hasn't looked at the Qualcomm version it doesn't mean anything. It's completely different.

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If he hasn't looked at the Qualcomm version it doesn't mean anything. It's completely different.
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He looked at it, responded back to me. He was asking me to build a special cable that I'm not able to make. I'm not sure if he has others testing or not. But he did say at first glance the bug that he exploited on other variants did not appear to be present.

muppetmaster916 said:
He looked at it, responded back to me. He was asking me to build a special cable that I'm not able to make. I'm not sure if he has others testing or not. But he did say at first glance the bug that he exploited on other variants did not appear to be present.
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Do you have any details on the special cable that he needed built? Maybe I could help.

nynativ said:
Do you have any details on the special cable that he needed built? Maybe I could help.
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Pm him on Twitter.

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So @nitayart has been putting in some work on the s7....
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That is S7 Edge international read previous posts and screen objects no hope for perm root on ANY AT&T FUTURE SAMSUNG DEVICES he even told me
he didnt tell me the bold red part but the rest and thats because AT&T and SAMSUNG are crazy locking bootloaders. AT&Ts bad in general but stuck on business plan so just switching away from samsung and only buying unlocked phones direct from carrier is best bet if you want root perm and recovery. thats what im doing done personally giving my money to AT&T.
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WOO-HOO a glimpse of hope after almost a year of being released!! I myself will not be upgrading, am sick of financing phones... so this will be awesome for me if it can get done.
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im with you but hate to say AT&T SAMSUNG screwed us now im throwing money toward an unlocked phone because root is the necessary for me.

BaconSeeds said:
That is S7 Edge international read previous posts and screen objects no hope for perm root on ANY AT&T FUTURE SAMSUNG DEVICES he even told me
he didnt tell me the bold red part but the rest and thats because AT&T and SAMSUNG are crazy locking bootloaders. AT&Ts bad in general but stuck on business plan so just switching away from samsung and only buying unlocked phones direct from carrier is best bet if you want root perm and recovery. thats what im doing done personally giving my money to AT&T.
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im with you but hate to say AT&T SAMSUNG screwed us now im throwing money toward an unlocked phone because root is the necessary for me.
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I caved, and was sick and tired of problems. I had 4 S7Es, 2 Nexus, and 2 S5s, my boyfriend's on his 2nd LG, my friend's S7E has extremely bad screen burn. My daughter has never had an issue with her iPhone. I went out and bought one. If I can't have root, I might as well have an Apple. At least the battery isn't dead by lunch.

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I caved, and was sick and tired of problems. I had 4 S7Es, 2 Nexus, and 2 S5s, my boyfriend's on his 2nd LG, my friend's S7E has extremely bad screen burn. My daughter has never had an issue with her iPhone. I went out and bought one. If I can't have root, I might as well have an Apple. At least the battery isn't dead by lunch.
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That's what I most likely will do as well. Sucks that rooting is pretty much dead. I pretty much only want root for hotspot.

Android300ZX said:
That's what I most likely will do as well. Sucks that rooting is pretty much dead. I pretty much only want root for hotspot.
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This works for free hotspot until there is root https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3383680
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using XDA-Developers Legacy app

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That's what I most likely will do as well. Sucks that rooting is pretty much dead. I pretty much only want root for hotspot.
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Busy go over to the U firmware. That's why I did. No hotspot restrictions.

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That's what I most likely will do as well. Sucks that rooting is pretty much dead. I pretty much only want root for hotspot.
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And my iphone came with it out of the box! Use it daily to play my game on my nexus 7 when there's no wifi available.

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And my iphone came with it out of the box! Use it daily to play my game on my nexus 7 when there's no wifi available.
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Does your AT&T plan include tethering? Because I'm pretty sure the iPhone checks to make sure you are allowed before turning it on as well.
That said, I'm also bummed about the root situation, but for other reasons. I did find a pretty good firewall in NetGuard, and (ironically) the Package Disabler app that only works on Samsung devices was able to disable most of the bloat. Only the ability to backup and restore individual apps (or even just their data) is missing, and why I still wish I had root.
(yes, I know I can use ADB for some backups, but I'm not sure downgrades are possible that way)

Is there a TWRP build for the SM-G973U Snapdragon US Cellular? With Android 10

I have the Samsung Galaxy S10 Prism White SM-G973U Snapdragon US Cellular. It is running Android 10. With the security patch of March 1, 2020. The build number is: G973USQS3CTB5.
My question is, is there a TWRP build for this phone? And can this phone work with Project Treble GSI?

The bootloader is locked so no root or TWRP for any U.S. or Canadian variants aside from the Sprint 5G version.

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The bootloader is locked so no root or TWRP for any U.S. or Canadian variants aside from the Sprint 5G version.
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But the bootloader can be unlocked?

secretwolf98 said:
But the bootloader can be unlocked?
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On the exynos variants it can. Not on the snapdragon models aside from the Sprint 5G version.

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On the exynos variants it can. Not on the snapdragon models aside from the Sprint 5G version.
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That sucks. Why is that?

secretwolf98 said:
That sucks. Why is that?
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because thats how its been for years

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The bootloader is locked so no root or TWRP for any U.S. or Canadian variants aside from the Sprint 5G version.
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I've heard how locked bootloaders work and I still think that someday we can find a way around it. I know about TrustZones. I know about all of those things and I still think that I can do it. I'm not saying it'll be easy. I'm still learning how to program so it might be a while before you see my TrustZone security crack but trust me, I WILL DO IT! This is not a ****post btw.

Melsbacksfriend said:
I've heard how locked bootloaders work and I still think that someday we can find a way around it. I know about TrustZones. I know about all of those things and I still think that I can do it. I'm not saying it'll be easy. I'm still learning how to program so it might be a while before you see my TrustZone security crack but trust me, I WILL DO IT! This is not a ****post btw.
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Good luck! It's locked pretty tight. Even elliwigy couldn't crack it and he's the guy that made root possible for the note 8 or S7 I think it was.

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Good luck! It's locked pretty tight. Even elliwigy couldn't crack it and he's the guy that made root possible for the note 8 or S7 I think it was.
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and now s9 s9+ n9

Oh wow root for the S9? That means root for the S10 eventually is hopeful.

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Oh wow root for the S9? That means root for the S10 eventually is hopeful.
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root methods are patched on 10 and newer devices

Well darn. At least the Galaxy S thru S9 has root now.

I think I'm close to cracking s10 g973u is variant I'm needing a partner not scared to join my venture
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I'm new to xda but not to coding and cracking the so called impossible I professionally "hack" you could say I recently bought the phone from somebody who bought thinking they could root it and they sold it after they read the forums Haha got it for basically nothing anybody willing to assist please got me up I do already have custom rom installed just having problems with ui and rebooting
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I'm new to xda but not to coding and cracking the so called impossible I professionally "hack" you could say I recently bought the phone from somebody who bought thinking they could root it and they sold it after they read the forums Haha got it for basically nothing anybody willing to assist please got me up I do already have custom rom installed just having problems with ui and rebooting

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I think I'm close to cracking s10 g973u is variant I'm needing a partner not scared to join my venture
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I'm new to xda but not to coding and cracking the so called impossible I professionally "hack" you could say I recently bought the phone from somebody who bought thinking they could root it and they sold it after they read the forums Haha got it for basically nothing anybody willing to assist please got me up I do already have custom rom installed just having problems with ui and rebooting
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I'm new to xda but not to coding and cracking the so called impossible I professionally "hack" you could say I recently bought the phone from somebody who bought thinking they could root it and they sold it after they read the forums Haha got it for basically nothing anybody willing to assist please got me up I do already have custom rom installed just having problems with ui and rebooting
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LOL

So @trentvamps has a working custom ROM on a G973U phone? How is this possible without root access?

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So @trentvamps has a working custom ROM on a G973U phone? How is this possible without root access?
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its not and he doesnt

I do i took none traditional direction by removing emmc and writing g973f firmware and pretty much destroyed the phone cosmetically in processs but it. Was simple once removed its boots but omg its jacked the frank up as far as performance goes possibly hardware conflicts but i think there might be something here as far as development goes

trentvamps said:
I do i took none traditional direction by removing emmc and writing g973f firmware and pretty much destroyed the phone cosmetically in processs but it. Was simple once removed its boots but omg its jacked the frank up as far as performance goes possibly hardware conflicts but i think there might be something here as far as development goes
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i think u are mistaken.. if u supposedly removed emmc then howd you write anything to the device?
you are simply saying things ppl dont really know what it even means but not providing any details or proof of what you are claiming to have done.
even if wat ur saying is remorely true it doesnt sound like you were successful, seems to be a hardware mod as well as you damaged the device among other issues which tells me even if you arent blowing hot air that it isnt obtaining root, twrp or anything and isnt going to apply to the avg user.
ppl can take what you say with a grain of salt. you arent the first random person to pop in claiming to achieve what no one has achieved in years and in the end turned out to be bogus.
with that being said i hope you prove me wrong but without more info or proof i will continue to believe its fake news.

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i think u are mistaken.. if u supposedly removed emmc then howd you write anything to the device?
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He removed it, wrote to it, and put it back in and secured it with duct tape... :laugh:

trentvamps said:
I do i took none traditional direction by removing emmc and writing g973f firmware and pretty much destroyed the phone cosmetically in processs but it. Was simple once removed its boots but omg its jacked the frank up as far as performance goes possibly hardware conflicts but i think there might be something here as far as development goes
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In other words, you have nothing, nada, zilch, squat, diddly, diddly-squat, naught, jack, zip