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Is it just me or Utter can do more than touchless control. For instance, with Utter, I can turn on/off bluetooth and wifi, while touchless control cannot. What do you guys use?
If you have not yet used utter voice command, see here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brandall.nutter
The real question for me is how is battery life with utter? Does it take advantage of Moto X's always-listening core?
rubiksmoose said:
The real question for me is how is battery life with utter? Does it take advantage of Moto X's always-listening core?
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That is a good question...can someone knowledgeable answer it for us please?
freeintruth said:
That is a good question...can someone knowledgeable answer it for us please?
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i did some research and couldn't find anything. I do not think it does from what I have gathered. It seems from what i have read that the processor is solely being used by google's process. that being said, if you run the betterbatterytest app to check for partial wakelocks with the phone is asleep you should be able to tell relatively easy. if you can wake the phone up using utter and you don't see partial wakelocks for utter then i think it is safe to say it is using the built in processor that "ok google now" uses.
rubiksmoose said:
The real question for me is how is battery life with utter? Does it take advantage of Moto X's always-listening core?
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I turned the voice control on Utter with my N4, while keeping MOTO X on. After one day test, X won. I guess the X8 chip does make a difference
Are you saying you ran Utter on both an N4 and an X, and you were able to see a difference in battery life?
freeintruth said:
I turned the voice control on Utter with my N4, while keeping MOTO X on. After one day test, X won. I guess the X8 chip does make a difference
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hawkjm73 said:
Are you saying you ran Utter on both an N4 and an X, and you were able to see a difference in battery life?
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You should run it on the x and see if Utter uses the x8 components of the X. Comparing an N4 will not tell us if Utter uses the x8 components the same as the built in touchless controls do.
No, it won't tell us directly if it uses the low power processor, but I still think it could be useful to do the comparison. If we assume the typical power drain is known for the N4, and the difference noted when running Utter, then a series of tests could be run on the X. First, one with no voice input running, as a baseline. Then run with touchless controls, known to use the x8 core, and mark the difference in drain. Finally, run Utter, with touchless controls disabled. If the difference in power consumption is similar to the N4, it is probably not utilizing the low power core. If the power drain is close to using touchless controls, them it is possible Utter is using the new core, which would be a very awesome thing, indeed.
Barring a way of actually knowing which core a process is running on, this may be a good way to make an educated guess.
hawkjm73 said:
No, it won't tell us directly if it uses the low power processor, but I still think it could be useful to do the comparison. If we assume the typical power drain is known for the N4, and the difference noted when running Utter, then a series of tests could be run on the X. First, one with no voice input running, as a baseline. Then run with touchless controls, known to use the x8 core, and mark the difference in drain. Finally, run Utter, with touchless controls disabled. If the difference in power consumption is similar to the N4, it is probably not utilizing the low power core. If the power drain is close to using touchless controls, them it is possible Utter is using the new core, which would be a very awesome thing, indeed.
Barring a way of actually knowing which core a process is running on, this may be a good way to make an educated guess.
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It is my understanding the only way for a phone to constantly be listening for your voice to activate it when it is asleep is to be on constantly even when it looks like it is asleep, unless it has the x8 system using the low processor. So if you ran better battery stats to check for partial wakelocks on the x while it was running Utter, you should see Utter keeping the phone awake even when it is asleep (i.e. a partial wakelock for utter). If it is using the low processor then I do not believe you would see a partial wakelock for Utter because you do not see one for touchless control when it is enabled. This is why if you ran touchless control on any phone without an x8 system it would die extremely quickly because its processors have to always be on to constantly be listening for your voice. I think this is all true based on what I read.
I agree with you, and I expect that would be the best way to be sure. I don't have a Moto X on hand to check with yet, but I an a bit concerned that BBS will see a wakelock on the low power core just as if it were a regular process. It is, after all, a CPU that has to be woken to work just like the others, just sipping power instead of guzzling.
But I'm just talking of the top of my head. I don't know how it works yet, just hopeful the dev phone comes out soon.
hawkjm73 said:
I agree with you, and I expect that would be the best way to be sure. I don't have a Moto X on hand to check with yet, but I an a bit concerned that BBS will see a wakelock on the low power core just as if it were a regular process. It is, after all, a CPU that has to be woken to work just like the others, just sipping power instead of guzzling.
But I'm just talking of the top of my head. I don't know how it works yet, just hopeful the dev phone comes out soon.
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BBS doesn't run while the phone is asleep. All it does is read the stats that the phone creates on its own. It only reads then when you ask it to meaning that it only runs when you decide to check it. It uses very little battery or power because its on creating its own data just reading the data your phone already creates on its own.
I believe that when the low processor is running, the phone doesn't store that information as "not in sleep mode while the screen is off" i.e. not a partial wake lock. In turn, this would mean that if Utter used that processor to listen to your voice commands while the phone screen is off, it too would not show up as a partial wakelock. But if it was using the standard processors then it would show up as a partial wakelock.
jayboyyyy said:
You should run it on the x and see if Utter uses the x8 components of the X. Comparing an N4 will not tell us if Utter uses the x8 components the same as the built in touchless controls do.
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I tired your way yesterday and today...I am sorry that I am not that geek yet to really test this out. I cannot even "repeat" every command I gave to N4 with Utter yesterday on my MOTO X today. But my impression confirms someone's post above: MOTO X's x8 core does make a difference on battery saving. And yet, Utter indeed can do things that touchless cannot...at the same time, I ask myself how often do I need to turn off wifi or bluetooth with voice command---not that much. So, I will just stick with touchless on x for now...sufficient enough
I suppose once Utter is finalized, we can try this again.
I ask this because I had it on my S4 and it actually made it laggier and less responsive, so I don't want to go through the trouble of putting it on the X and having the same issue.
triton302 said:
I ask this because I had it on my S4 and it actually made it laggier and less responsive, so I don't want to go through the trouble of putting it on the X and having the same issue.
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I use xposed with 3-4 modules and haven't noticed any lag or difference in performance..
No problems here.
Sent from my XT1053 using HoFo mobile app.
Lag? On an X? LOL. Good one!
Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
I'm running GravityBox, GoogleOfflineVoice, TriggerIntent, and Android Tuner. No lag here. Never noticed it.
Actually it was the Touchwiz.
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It does add some lag. Comparing my X (rooted with Xposed/GravityBox/Moto Tether/Greenify/YouTubeAdAway) to my sister's completely stock X, my phone will encounter a random stutter from time to time. However, I'm a far more intensive user so I have more apps, which are generally more resource intensive as well, open on my phone. Battery life hasn't suffered though.
Cool thanks guys. Decided to go for it and so far so good. Damn this phone is great!
What XPosed and Gravity tweaks are your favorites for Moto X?
Xposed modules: GravityBox, Moto Tether
GravityBox: I use PIE controls (which are limited) and hide the nav bar to give me more screen.
Im thinking to get this phone, Moto X 2013.
How is it in terms of high end gaming such as Gta SanAndreas, Real Racing etc?
Thanks
I play xcom enemy unknown without any problems.. 4gb of game data.. So i think you wont have problems with those games
arhamiq said:
Im thinking to get this phone, Moto X 2013.
How is it in terms of high end gaming such as Gta SanAndreas, Real Racing etc?
Thanks
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i used to play some pretty nasty titles (in terms of resource usage) on my N7 on a regular basis without issue, and that device is 2+ years old. my X has handled everything I've thrown at it without sneezing.
Hello
got anyone these loag problems when using google Maps or when using some apps at the same time ?
my phone starts to be extrmly laggy.
a phone with 1GB RAM lags when multitasking heavily? wow, that's unexpected!
I know.
Gabboplano said:
a phone with 1GB RAM lags when multitasking heavily? wow, that's unexpected!
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I am actually happy that unlike my old ****ty Samsung Galaxy Ace Plus, my brand new Moto G (2nd Gen) doesn't lag.
I've used GPS and PowerAmp (several times) with flawless performance, also running Next Laugher 3D, a power hungry launcher, with no problems..
Its all about what apps. one is running..some are more compatable with a particular device than others..
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(Unlocked) XT1064 Moto G (2nd Gen.)
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"Praise Jah" YOU people.!
My Moto G gets really laggy when charging and using snapchat at the same time. That's pretty much weird. :/
Only thing I have noticed is that when using certain apps and going back to the home screen...sometimes it takes a few (2-5) seconds for my home screen icons to show up. (Use Nova Launcher on every device)
I also have a 2013 moto g, a LG L9, and a cheap BLU phone...all with 1gig of RAM and none of them display this same issue.
My next
Moto G 2014 will be my next smartphone.
(coming from a fake mobilen (i8160 Galaxy Ace 2))
It's got some RAM managing problems I guess. I can't play Clash of Clans while listening to Spotify (music stops) for example.
Or the launcher refresh. I've got an htc one X with the same amount of RAM and that never happened to me. Wish they'll fix it, or that custom roms will.
zodiark said:
It's got some RAM managing problems I guess. I can't play Clash of Clans while listening to Spotify (music stops) for example.
Or the launcher refresh. I've got an htc one X with the same amount of RAM and that never happened to me. Wish they'll fix it, or that custom roms will.
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This. I've got some weird issues as well that I never had with my S3, which also has a gig of RAM. Hope lollipop or any other future update fixes this issue!
You can try to change minfree values as you wish, for example:
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echo "2048,3072,11520,16640,24320,42240" > /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree
I'm quite happy with these values, more multitasking but still not so much lag
eskamhl said:
You can try to change minfree values as you wish, for example:
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echo "2048,3072,11520,16640,24320,42240" > /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree
I'm quite happy with these values, more multitasking but still not so much lag
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How should i change it?
Sent from my XT1068 using XDA Free mobile app
rahilsayed said:
How should i change it?
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You could just give that command from the terminal emulator on your phone but once you reboot you'll lost the configuration.
I made a script for SManager ( you can find it for free on the play store ) in order to run the command at each boot, it's in the attachment.
To configure it open the app, select the script from your storage and toggle "Su" and "Boot" as in the screenshot below. Of course root permissions are needed.
PS: I also managed to enable init.d support in stock rom in order to avoid using another app, but that command is not run ( or something else restores the default configuration after it runs ). Don't know why
rahilsayed said:
How should i change it?
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how do i change it
Ever since I changed my runtime to ART the hangup and lag have been becoming more of an issue to me. I own both the original and 2014 version of Moto G and I can say the former has a better hold on multitasking with the same exact apps that I have installed on my 2014 version. I'm still giving Motorola the benefit of the doubt though until they push the 5.0 update which I am hoping will bring better experience on the 2014 version.
Hi guys,
I lived with low memory for a long time. Well, not ever. My first Android phone was a LG Optimus One, with Froyo/GB and 512MB. It was much memory (and useless, because the slow ARMv6 processor couldn't deal with it) compared the other low-end phones. The next phones, LG L3, Xperia Tipo, had the same memory size. Then I arrived to Moto G (falcon) times. Great specs (2013) to low-end devices. Revolution!
Three years ago we had JB and KK. Low system memory consumption. Facebook and Facebook Messenger was a single app. Whatsapp was lightweight. And 2GB phones was only for flagships.
Well, we come to today. Facebook alone eat more RAM than ever without Messenger. Whatsapp makes more and more things, and it occupies more memory. And Moto's LP and MM are heavy, much heavy. After some time trying to keep stock firmware, I wipped it and flashed XOSP, things are better, but not as desired.
Then, I ask you: how to live today with 1GB RAM? My Moto G 2014 "freezes" frequently. Multitasking is a dream. And Pokémon Go requires 2GB RAM devices (and crash sometimes because low RAM). Is there a hope? ZRAM? LMK? A lightweight custom ROM? Maybe an custom ROM compiled to optimize code size (using LTO?)?
Sorry by the sad mode. And terrifying english.
Hey,
i tested around with some custom roms, cause i had the same problems with the stock rom.
Finally i'm happy with this Turbo ROM ★ Layers ★ DUI [06/04/16][OFFICIAL] Custom Rom. I also flashed decipher as kernel. (not MPB) and installed greenify donate and l speed with the settings of amol amrit. Just deactivated the zram, cause Pokemon Go runs a bit better.
My G 2 feels like a new middleclass smartphone1!
Sorry bad english!
Pokemon GO is not working? Oh
77Dark said:
Pokemon GO is not working? Oh
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M playing Pokemon go on my moto g 2nd generation its working fyn .. i am on turbo rom latest build..[emoji6]
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I'm playing without big problems on stock marshmallow, rooted with little debloat
Access facebook through browser instead
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I'm using Turbo ROM for like 2 months atm and it's almost perfect, but still has some bugs. I was thinking of giving another try to the MM Stock XT1068 but, you know, I'm scared of Motorola devs's work. Should I give it a try or keep with Turbo ROM?
Try it, for me it's working fine, with small debloat
jackcicci said:
Try it, for me it's working fine, with small debloat
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What script do you used?
Dan_Jacques said:
What script do you used?
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no script, manually deleted almost all Gapps and some motorola app with link2sd (with root)