Is it just me or Utter can do more than touchless control. For instance, with Utter, I can turn on/off bluetooth and wifi, while touchless control cannot. What do you guys use?
If you have not yet used utter voice command, see here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brandall.nutter
The real question for me is how is battery life with utter? Does it take advantage of Moto X's always-listening core?
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The real question for me is how is battery life with utter? Does it take advantage of Moto X's always-listening core?
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That is a good question...can someone knowledgeable answer it for us please?
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That is a good question...can someone knowledgeable answer it for us please?
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i did some research and couldn't find anything. I do not think it does from what I have gathered. It seems from what i have read that the processor is solely being used by google's process. that being said, if you run the betterbatterytest app to check for partial wakelocks with the phone is asleep you should be able to tell relatively easy. if you can wake the phone up using utter and you don't see partial wakelocks for utter then i think it is safe to say it is using the built in processor that "ok google now" uses.
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The real question for me is how is battery life with utter? Does it take advantage of Moto X's always-listening core?
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I turned the voice control on Utter with my N4, while keeping MOTO X on. After one day test, X won. I guess the X8 chip does make a difference
Are you saying you ran Utter on both an N4 and an X, and you were able to see a difference in battery life?
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I turned the voice control on Utter with my N4, while keeping MOTO X on. After one day test, X won. I guess the X8 chip does make a difference
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Are you saying you ran Utter on both an N4 and an X, and you were able to see a difference in battery life?
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You should run it on the x and see if Utter uses the x8 components of the X. Comparing an N4 will not tell us if Utter uses the x8 components the same as the built in touchless controls do.
No, it won't tell us directly if it uses the low power processor, but I still think it could be useful to do the comparison. If we assume the typical power drain is known for the N4, and the difference noted when running Utter, then a series of tests could be run on the X. First, one with no voice input running, as a baseline. Then run with touchless controls, known to use the x8 core, and mark the difference in drain. Finally, run Utter, with touchless controls disabled. If the difference in power consumption is similar to the N4, it is probably not utilizing the low power core. If the power drain is close to using touchless controls, them it is possible Utter is using the new core, which would be a very awesome thing, indeed.
Barring a way of actually knowing which core a process is running on, this may be a good way to make an educated guess.
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No, it won't tell us directly if it uses the low power processor, but I still think it could be useful to do the comparison. If we assume the typical power drain is known for the N4, and the difference noted when running Utter, then a series of tests could be run on the X. First, one with no voice input running, as a baseline. Then run with touchless controls, known to use the x8 core, and mark the difference in drain. Finally, run Utter, with touchless controls disabled. If the difference in power consumption is similar to the N4, it is probably not utilizing the low power core. If the power drain is close to using touchless controls, them it is possible Utter is using the new core, which would be a very awesome thing, indeed.
Barring a way of actually knowing which core a process is running on, this may be a good way to make an educated guess.
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It is my understanding the only way for a phone to constantly be listening for your voice to activate it when it is asleep is to be on constantly even when it looks like it is asleep, unless it has the x8 system using the low processor. So if you ran better battery stats to check for partial wakelocks on the x while it was running Utter, you should see Utter keeping the phone awake even when it is asleep (i.e. a partial wakelock for utter). If it is using the low processor then I do not believe you would see a partial wakelock for Utter because you do not see one for touchless control when it is enabled. This is why if you ran touchless control on any phone without an x8 system it would die extremely quickly because its processors have to always be on to constantly be listening for your voice. I think this is all true based on what I read.
I agree with you, and I expect that would be the best way to be sure. I don't have a Moto X on hand to check with yet, but I an a bit concerned that BBS will see a wakelock on the low power core just as if it were a regular process. It is, after all, a CPU that has to be woken to work just like the others, just sipping power instead of guzzling.
But I'm just talking of the top of my head. I don't know how it works yet, just hopeful the dev phone comes out soon.
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I agree with you, and I expect that would be the best way to be sure. I don't have a Moto X on hand to check with yet, but I an a bit concerned that BBS will see a wakelock on the low power core just as if it were a regular process. It is, after all, a CPU that has to be woken to work just like the others, just sipping power instead of guzzling.
But I'm just talking of the top of my head. I don't know how it works yet, just hopeful the dev phone comes out soon.
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BBS doesn't run while the phone is asleep. All it does is read the stats that the phone creates on its own. It only reads then when you ask it to meaning that it only runs when you decide to check it. It uses very little battery or power because its on creating its own data just reading the data your phone already creates on its own.
I believe that when the low processor is running, the phone doesn't store that information as "not in sleep mode while the screen is off" i.e. not a partial wake lock. In turn, this would mean that if Utter used that processor to listen to your voice commands while the phone screen is off, it too would not show up as a partial wakelock. But if it was using the standard processors then it would show up as a partial wakelock.
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You should run it on the x and see if Utter uses the x8 components of the X. Comparing an N4 will not tell us if Utter uses the x8 components the same as the built in touchless controls do.
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I tired your way yesterday and today...I am sorry that I am not that geek yet to really test this out. I cannot even "repeat" every command I gave to N4 with Utter yesterday on my MOTO X today. But my impression confirms someone's post above: MOTO X's x8 core does make a difference on battery saving. And yet, Utter indeed can do things that touchless cannot...at the same time, I ask myself how often do I need to turn off wifi or bluetooth with voice command---not that much. So, I will just stick with touchless on x for now...sufficient enough
I suppose once Utter is finalized, we can try this again.
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Given that the display is widely regarded as one of the two biggest drawers of power/battery life on the N1 (the other being the radio/cell standby), and given that my battery usage breakdown *always* has Display at the top (by a large margin), I thought it might be interesting to see what other people's Display usage hovers around so we can build up a "operating range"...
(apologies if anyone has done this before, I did a few searches but nothing significant came up - please point me to previous posts if it has already been covered)
not exactly seeing an option for a Poll...would recommend setting one up before we get 100s of posts to comb through
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not exactly seeing an option for a Poll...would recommend setting one up before we get 100s of posts to comb through
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you got there darn quick - cheers for voting though!
it depends on what rom u have. my battery usage for the display was significantly different from cyanogen to desire rom.
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it depends on what rom u have. my battery usage for the display was significantly different from cyanogen to desire rom.
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that was one of the things that prompted me to do the poll, as I'm familiar with a Desire with Sense that reports around 20%
unfortunately I don't think i can also capture the ROM here (kernel would have been nice too), but I wanted to - and think you may have a point...
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Yeah, unfortunately if you are getting a low display usage if you use it a lot means that the rest of your system is really hogging the power. Cyanogenmod with a high display usage is great because it means the rest of the system is running very efficiently.
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Yeah, unfortunately if you are getting a low display usage if you use it a lot means that the rest of your system is really hogging the power. Cyanogenmod with a high display usage is great because it means the rest of the system is running very efficiently.
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It could mean a few different things, not just that. This is not a very scientific poll, sorry.
Thanks for this Poll. I was beginning to think that maybe my Nexus One was defective because the screen used so much of the battery. Unlike my HTC Magic, where the Cell Standby/Phone Idle was king.
The screen is supposed to be the highest drain. That means that the OS and all your apps are very efficient and not out of control.
just FYI, it seems on the bleeding edge kernels that a couple of kernel authors are producing at the moment, that Display usage is down. I am typically seeing no more than 40% in the stats now (down from around 60%) - will update once the kernel dust settles!
this poll isnt really effective, i have seen my screen usage from 10% all the way up to 89%, from what ive seen the percentage is based off of how long since the phone has been unplugged from a charger to the amount of time you were actually using it(had the screen on)
i can run my battery life into the ground in 6 hours or i can make it last 34 hours(max from full charge to shut down with all the fancy stuff turned off)
Background: Ever since I switched from AT$T to T-Mobile last month, my iPhone 5's battery life has taken a huge nosedive for the worst, to where it can easily lose 1% every 2-3 minutes, Wi-Fi on or off, and even if airplane mode is on but Wi-Fi is on (Apple Store won't replace it since it's 60 days out of warranty, and a new battery honestly probably won't help since the capacity and other diagnostic readings are showing signs of a normal battery). Popping my AT$T SIM back in, I immediately get much better numbers. Either T-Mobile's network sucks the crap out of batteries, or the phone has yet to be optimized for the network. I'm thinking it's the latter, because I've used other T-Mobile phones, such as the LG Optimus L9, and battery life was really good. Since the Nexus 5 is a very affordable off-contract device, I decided to give it a try.
I understand that the battery life is itself questionable for the Nexus 5, but it supposedly gets better as time goes on.
My white 16GB Nexus 5 arrived yesterday (ordered it on the 6th when it said it'll ship between 3-4 weeks). Using a ghetto paper-based mold for my nano-SIM, it worked just fine in the N5's micro-SIM slot.
It took a number of hours to eventually get things the way I like it, but here's my current setup (the icon and folder setups are nearly identical to how I had them on my iPhone 5, and every third-party (App Store) app I had there was also available on Android, or at least a good alternative was available):
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Overall, I'm very happy with Android 4.4 and its general performance on the N5.
So, some complaints.
First, LTE. On my morning commute, I noticed it completely lost a signal (no bars, just an outline) three times in areas where my iPhone 5 would have at least 2 bars (dots) of LTE. I would at least expect it to drop to HSPA+, but it didn't do that... In the building I'm in, I always got at least 3 bars of LTE on my iPhone 5. My Nexus 5 can't seem to hook onto it, even after flicking airplane mode on and off a few times. It's instead connected to HSPA+ (fluctuating between that and 3G when idling, as expected). Yes, HSPA+ works, but I want LTE if I have access to it, which I do. EDIT: Changing the data network from LTE to 2G, then back to LTE brought LTE back. EDIT 2: Well, where I've been at for the past 10 minutes, I get a full signal of LTE. It randomly decided to drop to full HSPA+/3G.
I always also hoping that general compatibility with T-Mobile was better. The raw decibel signal readings do seem to be in my favor, but the LTE problems and prior signal drops are hopefully things that won't happen again.
Next, battery life. Yes, as mentioned, I know that it's supposed to get better. To be honest, my initial battery life numbers don't seem too bad. Here are some of my initial numbers (N5 came out of the box at around 80% battery, used it down to 5% before charging it all night):
At that screen on rate, I'd estimate about 5.75 hours of total screen on usage, and 9 hours of total standby. That's much better than some of my recent iPhone 5 numbers, and I hope that they can increase. Battery life is really the deciding factor if I keep the N5 and sell my iPhone 5 or not.
I've already gone through all of the battery saving tips (turning Wi-Fi auto search off, battery saving location mode, disabling OK Google, etc.). My usage isn't too heavy, but I do leave Wi-fi OFF (yes, off), get hundreds of texts, checking and replying to them, using Twitter (Tweetings), listening to music through headphones (PowerAmp), checking email automatically every 15 minutes via K9, dealing with those from time to time, and opening some pages with Chrome.
Next, the speaker. I was expecting it to be loud, louder than my iPhone 5, but it's noticeably quieter. I guess there's a hardware hack for it, but I'd rather avoid that, should I end up returning the thing. It sounds clear, and seems louder in certain apps than others (even if the volume is up all the way). Not sure if it needs to be broken in first.
I just noticed that music through headphones doesn't get very loud either, even with things turned up to their maximum values in PowerAmp.
I've yet to take a picture with the camera, and I heard it could be better (and probably will with a software update).
Speaking of software updates, I imagine Google could easily improve on almost all of these areas, including battery life?
One of my concerns was whether or not I can deal with the larger phone for one-handed operation. And really, I haven't had any complaints there.
Overall, I'm very satisfied with it. Just anxious to see what my battery life numbers will be as time goes on.
Battery life probably won't get drastically better. You just need to see what kills your battery the most. If there are things on in the background that your not using such as an app that would save battery life. But most likely is just the screen
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If you can live with Google Play Music for listening to your music, it should use less battery then poweramp by using the special kitkat dsp audio engine.
If you don't have stable LTE, it will really suck the life out of your battery. I just run HSPA+ most of the time and my battery life is ridiculous now.
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If you can live with Google Play Music for listening to your music, it should use less battery then poweramp by using the special kitkat dsp audio engine.
If you don't have stable LTE, it will really suck the life out of your battery. I just run HSPA+ most of the time and my battery life is ridiculous now.
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One big thing I really like is when songs crossfade between each other, which the Google Play Music app doesn't do. PowerAmp's equalizer and other audio adjustment settings are things I can't really go without anymore. Battery life when using it seems fine (for now).
LTE where I am is generally pretty stable. I'll do some tests with LTE off since that will probably help a bit (didn't matter on my iPhone 5, since the battery life would decrease at the same rate regardless of which type of data connection I'm on). Think a software or radio update would help?
You are complaining about nearly 6 hours of battery life?!!? If I get a Nexus 5 and get that much screen on just browsing, I'd freaking celebrate!
Let's not forget that you started at 80%!! EIGHTY PERCENT!!
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You are complaining about nearly 6 hours of battery life?!!? If I get a Nexus 5 and get that much screen on just browsing, I'd freaking celebrate!
Let's not forget that you started at 80%!! EIGHTY PERCENT!!
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Well, my iPhone USED to get really good usage numbers under similar usage scenarios.
I've got to admit, I was expecting another "iPhone 5 is way better than Nexus 5" rant...
Kudos to you sir, I thought you made a pretty good review and fair comparison between the two.
I've been having similar issues on T-Mobile as of late, so I understand where you're coming from. The battery and network connectivity issues are most likely on their side.
As for software issues, the sound output being drastically different per app will likely be fixed in an OTA soon. The camera actually exceeded my expectations on a recent family outing to a Texans game last weekend, with HDR+ it takes amazing pictures! The autofocus could be faster, but I'm sure that'll be addressed in an OTA as well.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts bud, it's not often we get unbiased opinions here... It's refreshing to see a review by someone who isn't an iOS fanboy or Nexus apologist.
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Well, my iPhone USED to get really good usage numbers under similar usage scenarios.
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Its not similar conditions with a 4" screen.
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Battery life is incredibly subjective and can vary wildly from user to user. Location, carrier, usage patterns, etc. are different for everyone so it's hard to definitively predict battery life on the N5.
My experience? My first week I was incredibly worried because battery life was significantly worse than my GS3. Granted, I was playing with it a lot and testing out different things, but I was averaging about 3 hours of screen time and scraping about 12 hours of total life. Pretty terrible for what I was used to. I will say that when I was testing out the Moves app, to test the movement tracker, this absolutely slaughtered my battery.
I lived with mediocre battery life for a few days, then when Franco came out with his kernel (I believe I started at r10) I flashed it and then started getting insane battery results. Each kernel update has gotten better (now on r14) and I'm finally happy and able to easily make it through a full day.
For the past week, I usually take my phone off the charger at 7am and it goes back on at 11pm with around 25-35% remaining. During this time my screen on time is between 3-4 hours. So that's 16 hours with a quarter of the battery remaining and a decent amount of screen time on. I'm very happy.
I'm assuming a custom kernel requires a root, which then requires everything to be wiped? I wish I knew that prior to getting everything setup. Probably won't get into any of that for a while.
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Its not similar conditions with a 4" screen.
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It's also not similar conditions when the iPhone 5 has only a 1,440 mAh battery, that's something like ~63% smaller than the Nexus 5's battery (which many of us already find to be disappointingly small compared to other Android flagships).
I'm a hardcore Android user, always have been since I owned an OG Droid and Nexus One, but I concede that whatever Apple does with iOS and their SoCs to squeeze so much screen on time out of the tiny little batteries in the iPhones is pretty impressive.
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I'm assuming a custom kernel requires a root, which then requires everything to be wiped? I wish I knew that prior to getting everything setup. Probably won't get into any of that for a while.
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A custom kernel doesn't technically need root, but it does need the bootloader to be unlocked which is what wipes the device.
You can try to backup with an app called "helium" which apparently backs up a fair bit.
I also saw a thread to unlock bootloader without wipe. I didn't read it though. Possibly in themea and apps subforum. Try a search of xda at the root if the n5 forum
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Could you tell us more about your experience on Android vs iOS? I had an iPhone 4S prior to switching to Android, and aside from the consistency of the UI and fluidity, there isn't much else that I miss. Oh, maybe the excellent color accuracy of the iPhones (especially whites, which aren't too blue). The biggest thing that I was glad about dumping was iTunes, followed by iOS restrictions on what you can and can't do.
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I'm assuming a custom kernel requires a root, which then requires everything to be wiped? I wish I knew that prior to getting everything setup. Probably won't get into any of that for a while.
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Rooting doesn't require a wipe, but unlocking your bootloader does. Step 1 when aquiring phone, unlock bootloader, optionally root if you want, then set up. Bootloader unlock is most important for custom kernel.
Did you try viper4android for general sound enhancement. Don't have mine n5 yet - but on other phones it is amazing.
You can find viper in the play store.
Greets...
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It's also not similar conditions when the iPhone 5 has only a 1,440 mAh battery, that's something like ~63% smaller than the Nexus 5's battery (which many of us already find to be disappointingly small compared to other Android flagships).
I'm a hardcore Android user, always have been since I owned an OG Droid and Nexus One, but I concede that whatever Apple does with iOS and their SoCs to squeeze so much screen on time out of the tiny little batteries in the iPhones is pretty impressive.
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True. Completely different hardware and os makes any comparison pointless.
I actually think the N5 battery is great. Its bigger than my S3 my 200 mAh but it lasts much longer proportionally.
The best way to make the decision between the 2 is to see which is a better fit for "your" usage and habits, which you enjoy the most and whether the battery is "enough".
For me, an iPhone battery would last days,.but it doesn't suit me.
Best thing is to consider battery last. Let passion make the decision
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I actually think the N5 battery is great. Its bigger than my S3 my 200 mAh but it lasts much longer proportionally.
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I'm actually relieved and excited to hear that. I had an S3 for many months and it was the first smartphone I've ever owned that I felt had really good battery life.
I'm on a Galaxy Nexus on Verizon right now, which is notorious for having insanely abysmal battery life, and it was like a slap in the face compared to my S3, which easily lasted all day.
So I figure just about anything will be better than what I'm on now.
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Could you tell us more about your experience on Android vs iOS? I had an iPhone 4S prior to switching to Android, and aside from the consistency of the UI and fluidity, there isn't much else that I miss. Oh, maybe the excellent color accuracy of the iPhones (especially whites, which aren't too blue). The biggest thing that I was glad about dumping was iTunes, followed by iOS restrictions on what you can and can't do.
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While even Android 4.4 on the Nexus 5 could be smoother in terms of frame rate. I thought I'd get annoyed by it, but it doesn't bother me much. I kinda miss iTunes, keeping syncing things organized within one central program, but I rarely used it.
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I'll have to disagree there. They're both phones that can do similar things, and both have similar hardware features (although they obviously differ). When usage scenarios and network conditions are as close as possible, only then can the battery life really be compared. So, I think that it's appropriate in my particular case.
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I'm actually relieved and excited to hear that. I had an S3 for many months and it was the first smartphone I've ever owned that I felt had really good battery life.
I'm on a Galaxy Nexus on Verizon right now, which is notorious for having insanely abysmal battery life, and it was like a slap in the face compared to my S3, which easily lasted all day.
So I figure just about anything will be better than what I'm on now.
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My comparison is like for like here. My network doesn't yet offer lte and my s3 was not the lte version. Bear in mind my s3 was quad core 1.4Ghz so im not sure how my S3 compared to yours.
But my N5 I am doing 16 hour days (8 hrs low signal area) with 4.5 hrs+ screen on. I could get that on my s3 if I didn't leave the house but a normal day would be 3 hrs on s3.
I am undervolted by 50 and using greenify though
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I'll have to disagree there. They're both phones that can do similar things, and both have similar hardware features (although they obviously differ). When usage scenarios and network conditions are as close as possible, only then can the battery life really be compared. So, I think that it's appropriate in my particular case.
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Fair enough I respect your disagreement. Although for me I disagree that they do similar things too. On the face of it they do, but for the hardcore of us I don't feel that's true. Not to spark an iPhone / android debate here (so this will be my last word on ios) but I see ios more as a "feature phone" than a "smart phone".
If the iPhone does all you need and you can get better battery, its a no brainer. Its just the os work completely different. The n5 is much more powerful and bigger screened and the architecture is incomparable.
On the face of it they do the same "calls, emails, web and some apps" but the comparison stops there I feel. It depends how involved you wish to become.
As I say, go with your heart on which you prefer. Take battery into consideration but don't let it rule the decision. Go for what suits you, not what anyone else says
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So I've convinced myself to wipe & root later, backing up with Helium and the normal Google backup (for system settings and such). That should get me mostly setup the way I had pre-wipe, right? I should have some time this weekend to just start from scratch again, but would definitely like to avoid most of it if possible, which it seems like it is.
Anyone using SetCPU to throttle the device and get tolerable battery life?
I wish. Not on Verizon!
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I just started using trickster mod and set max frequency to about 2.0GHz. The battery life has increased with no lag. On Lollipop.
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I just started using trickster mod and set max frequency to about 2.0GHz. The battery life has increased with no lag. On Lollipop.
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What did you have to do to get trickster working? Just download it? It works straight from the market? H3lp!
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What did you have to do to get trickster working? Just download it? It works straight from the market? H3lp!
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Yeah just download it. You will have to download a busybox installer if you don't have busybox installed as well.
Awesome thanks. What mods and settings have you found useful?
Anyone has had success tweaking new Moto X with SetCPU?
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Anyone has had success tweaking new Moto X with SetCPU?
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SetCPU caused major lag for me personally.. I switched to trickstermod and all seems fine so far
I'm using No Frills, working great across 422MHz - 1GHz ( hardcore testing )
I have never noticed any battery improvement from underclocking, and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the general consensus (among those actually informed) was that it doesn't actually help because it causes the processor to take longer to complete tasks, canceling out any actual gains.
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I have never noticed any battery improvement from underclocking, and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the general consensus (among those actually informed) was that it doesn't actually help because it causes the processor to take longer to complete tasks, canceling out any actual gains.
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After testing for a day almost, I'll say that's crap.. I'm running this guy comfortably at 0.8GHz with ultra small lags, see the battery for yourself. I used to get 4-4.5 hours of max screen on running it untampered and now this damn battery won't die!
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After testing for a day almost, I'll say that's crap.. I'm running this guy comfortably at 0.8GHz with ultra small lags, see the battery for yourself. I used to get 4-4.5 hours of max screen on running it untampered and now this damn battery won't die!
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Yeah I dunno man, I'm not underclocked and I can probably get 8+hrs SOT as well if all I'm doing is web browsing and reading. I mean, I average around 6-7hrs SOT on mine (still on 4.4.4) depending on what I'm doing. Everybody's usage patterns are different, which is why I don't trust SOT screen shots. Plus, there is nothing in your second screenshot that shows any actual usage. You have screen, cell standby, wifi, android system... I'm not seeing any apps in there which leads me to believe that isn't a heavy usage scenario for you.
And again, I have underclocked before with many, many devices and haven't seen any actual gains. Also, I have yet to see any actual empirical evidence that shows underclocking helps. Couple that with the fact that many people who are well versed in this stuff (including the CyanogenMod team) have come forward and said that any gains from underclocking are placebo due to the reason I stated before, and I am HIGHLY skeptical.
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Yeah I dunno man, I'm not underclocked and I can probably get 8+hrs SOT as well if all I'm doing is web browsing and reading. I mean, I average around 6-7hrs SOT on mine (still on 4.4.4) depending on what I'm doing. Everybody's usage patterns are different, which is why I don't trust SOT screen shots. Plus, there is nothing in your second screenshot that shows any actual usage. You have screen, cell standby, wifi, android system... I'm not seeing any apps in there which leads me to believe that isn't a heavy usage scenario for you.
And again, I have underclocked before with many, many devices and haven't seen any actual gains. Also, I have yet to see any actual empirical evidence that shows underclocking helps. Couple that with the fact that many people who are well versed in this stuff (including the CyanogenMod team) have come forward and said that any gains from underclocking are placebo due to the reason I stated before, and I am HIGHLY skeptical.
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The reason there's no specific apps you see is because I did what you do in a typical battery test, gaming a bit, reading ,browsing and all the others... So the individual. consumption is well b below 5%.. But yeah even without underclocking i have gotten even 5.5hours which is not bad at all
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Yeah I dunno man, I'm not underclocked and I can probably get 8+hrs SOT as well if all I'm doing is web browsing and reading. I mean, I average around 6-7hrs SOT on mine (still on 4.4.4) depending on what I'm doing. Everybody's usage patterns are different, which is why I don't trust SOT screen shots. Plus, there is nothing in your second screenshot that shows any actual usage. You have screen, cell standby, wifi, android system... I'm not seeing any apps in there which leads me to believe that isn't a heavy usage scenario for you.
And again, I have underclocked before with many, many devices and haven't seen any actual gains. Also, I have yet to see any actual empirical evidence that shows underclocking helps. Couple that with the fact that many people who are well versed in this stuff (including the CyanogenMod team) have come forward and said that any gains from underclocking are placebo due to the reason I stated before, and I am HIGHLY skeptical.
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You can be sceptical because you should be, the cpu throttles already and only uses max speed when needed. With light usage like me (WhatsApp, telegram, 20m phone calls and some mails a day) I get 4 days on 4g and wifi. (I turn my phone on flight mode during the night) I've also disabled moto application (voice is useless in Dutch/not working) The biggest energy consumer is the screen so change your wallpaper to a dark one and close unused background apps (moto voice, google now, virus scanner and all other useless apps. If you use all the social media out there on your phone, no battery capacity is sufficient. I could limit my max cpu speed because the cpu governor probably throttles to max even when launching undemanding apps, but I would probably won't notice any savings.
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If your bigger concern is battery life, you should have chosen some other device with a larger battery capacity, the note series is all about the s pen, that is what makes it unique among the rest, I advice you to grab something like huawei, oppo, one plus, or something like that, there are tons and tons of lackluster devices in that area and cheaper by the way
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razor6_4 said:
I'm currently using note 8...will it be a good idea to switch to op5t? I really feel i need aosp... battery is draining like hell on oreo... barely get 6h nowdays...on nougat 7-8h easily...help..
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6hrs sot? That's still very good. If you need more you can try to squeeze out more battery savings, but if you need a lot more than a different device might suit your needs better. Hard to say
Buy a battery pack, charge your phone when necessary, deal with it or buy different phone.
(The title of your thread is pathetic!)
razor6_4 said:
i also bought for the s pen... but i hardly use this...
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Well, I am not a heavy s pen user, but the fact that the s pen is there, whenever I might need it, is very, very satisfactory, by the way , my exynos 950F 128 GB, achieves 5.5 hrs SOT, and I think it is fine, I use AOD, sync on all time, gps on, entertainment mode on, brightness at 60%, many macrodroid automations, gravity screen, status bar magic, network notif icons , pie control, control center, blockada, dv beep pro, screen adjuster, led control, etc, anything you can imagine,
OnnoJ said:
(The title of your thread is pathetic!)
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I should probably keep my mouth shut but I'm not surprised. If you have seen his previous posts you wouldn't be surprised either. :laugh:
I have learned to ignore them but to be fair, it could just be a case of language barrier.
shouren04 said:
I should probably keep my mouth shut but I'm not surprised. If you have seen his previous posts you wouldn't be surprised either. :laugh:
I have learned to ignore them but to be fair, it could just be a case of language barrier.
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I agree with you, but I dont think language is the issue here
Be like swapping a Ferrari for a Nissan GTR, both go at the same speed but totally different experiences.
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Be like swapping a Ferrari for a Nissan GTR, both go at the same speed but totally different experiences.
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Exactly! You just nailed it!
Hi all,
As you know, I got this device a couple of weeks ago as a upgrade (birthday pressie).... and on the whole, I am might impressed with it. Compared to previous phones, this is awesome....
However, one odd thing I am experiencing... is battery life? Whilst I read reports of this device and the other I was looking at, Note 10 5G. Both had 5000mah batteries, and reviews RAVED about how good battery life is in them. Some even saying it can be used as a Battery Bank to charge other peoples phone.
However in actual use of the phone, I'm afraid to use it... for merely tapping a few icons, browsing web and running/opening camera... I literally am watching the percentages drain... I thought this thing would be rock solid, and can generally browse/mess around and the battery will slowly decrease...?
Don't get me wrong, if I don't touch it and leave it in standby it will claim to last at least a couple of days... or that said, running it as SatNav and not touching the screen on a 30min drive, it didn't drain the battery at all and stayed at 100% (which did surprise me).
But to me, what appears as light use, tapping icons and surfing around see's it draining fairly quickly. I dread to think if I was playing a high end game, it will prolly be gone in 5 mins.... Good job I don't do games... lol
Cheers, Lister
Morning Lister .. ya got your paddling pool ready for tomorrow lol
Mines been quite doing the same playing with gcam ( I haven't uploaded the XML yet , reming me to do it later ).
I have noticed the battery draining quicker when the screens set to 90mhz , as I've read elsewhere that seems quite normal as the phone has to refresh the screen faster than it would on 60 . Signal strength can be detrimental too , a bad signal means the phone tries harder to pull it in and uses more battery in the process .
When I've finally got everything set up I'll see how long I can get on a charge , still got to copy me 3 stooges collection on to it , all 65gb of it
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I have noticed the battery draining quicker when the screens set to 120mhz
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I think this phone has 90hz refresh rate, not 120mhz. Maybe u wrote it by mistake.
Hi The Mero,
Oh don't, I am not a sun lover at the best of times and these last few days/week's been killing me... lol.
I am, as we speak, practicing my Snow Dance !!! ;-) LOL
Yeah, seems odd that a camera can zap that much battery. I get it has to do a couple of things, active viewfinder, take the pic and then use processing power to render the output. But after reading all the rave reviews, this battery will last you into the next pandemic and all that... It to me, just seems to drain a little too quickly for my liking. I was expecting to get some fun time, without watching the battery drain down...
I think this screen can only go to 90mhz, but that said... I even have my set to the standard 60mhz. I not really played around with it, but it seems quick enough for me at 60mhz and every bit of battery helps. Like being in a heatwave and keeping ya aircon off, whilst sitting at the traffic lights with windows open... Gotta save that fuel/battery... ;-) lol
I did look at battery drain, and Mobile Standby did seem high, which is odd as its never been an issue with my older phones in same location. I'll keep an eye on that though, cheers....
Lister
Gun Striker said:
I think this phone has 90hz refresh rate, not 120mhz. Maybe u wrote it by mistake.
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Sorry I was thing of me old x3 NFC striker lol . Thanks for correcting me
Hi The Mero,
I just noticed this thread pop up, which is similar thing... It seems a few are getting the high Cell Standby for no reason at all... Although they appear to be on the updated version...??
"Cell Standby" battery drain on latest MIUI Global 13.0.12?
Hi, everyone. I bought a Redmi Note 11 Global a few days back and while setting it up, I was amazed at the battery life. It was at 56% when I opened it up, and throughout the entire setup process and after around 5 or 6 hours of screen on time, I...
forum.xda-developers.com
That said, I do have Calls over WiFi enabled, as it's the first time i've owned a phone that supports and is now available on my plan (PAYG lol). So I enabled it, just to try it out... lol
But apparently, this can be a zapper and cause the Cell Standby issue. Might try disabling it, and see if Battery Life improves....
Cheers, Lister
I'm on PAYG too , I turn off internet calling ( volte ) I had an issue on the X3 where you could hear the other person but they couldn't hear you . Some said it was a flaky mic and some said volte ( another name for it ) . Anyways I knocked it off and calls were fine after that . So if you start getting the same issue give that a try . Plus battery issues could be down to the CPU not behaving . Russian forum had some with the CPU stuck at full throttle while others were stuck at lowest speed . All using different miui versions or custom ROMs , this is getting worse every time we read about it
This phone is in need of a custom kernel. I think the default CPU/GPU governor is not properly optimised. We don't want the CPU to fire up all its cores and constantly hit 2.4Ghz while playing candy crush.
Also, MIUI 13 is so restrictive and bland. We are losing controls and features with each new update.
This amazing hardware needs a divorce from its retarded software.
some interesting reading .. miui updates
MIUI 13 Beta MI-V13.0.2 for Redmi Note 11 has been suspended due to a Google Play Server error
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This phone is in need of a custom kernel. I think the default CPU/GPU governor is not properly optimised. We don't want the CPU to fire up all its cores and constantly hit 2.4Ghz while playing candy crush.
Also, MIUI 13 is so restrictive and bland. We are losing controls and features with each new update.
This amazing hardware needs a divorce from its retarded software.
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In my case, the amazing hardware broke up with its retarded software and is currently married to this chick named Pixel Experience. The experience is way way smooth and is something we and the hardware totally deserves. Though yes we really need a custom kernel, I don't know why Xiaomi hasn't released kernel sources for this device until now
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In my case, the amazing hardware broke up with its retarded software and is currently married to this chick named Pixel Experience. The experience is way way smooth and is something we and the hardware totally deserves. Though yes we really need a custom kernel, I don't know why Xiaomi hasn't released kernel sources for this device until now
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Same here, unlocked bootloader and currently on Evolution X. Though all google apps and services are debloated so basically vanilla. I get 10 hrs screen on time with about 40 hrs standby
Hi All,
The battery on this device is really really shocking.... as in shockingly bad !!!
When I read about 5000mah ( basically double anything I've had prior ) and how good the reviews for battery life were on these devices. I had high hopes, I thought Id be able to tap away, causally wasting hours watching pointless YouTube and whatnot...
However here I am, re-arranging icons.... Configuring Applications (TruePhone and it's GAZZILION options), and watching the percentages just drop off, one by one by one.... I bet if I put a chocolate egg outside in this heatwave, it will melt at a slower rate than the battery drains...
Admittedly, I do have a few Apps on it... but no more than when I look at other peoples phones and it's not like I am putting heavy/tasking apps on. No gaming apps or anything like that... And to watch it go from 100 to 70 in what I think is a short time, is somewhat depressing...
I'll have to charge the ole 5000mah phone up and carry a couple 20,000mah at this rate... lol.
I've even de-bloated some of the system Apps in background... I may treat it to another wipe/reset and test it with barely any load and see what happens...
Cheers, Lister
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I had an issue on the X3 where you could hear the other person but they couldn't hear you . Some said it was a flaky mic and some said volte ( another name for it )
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I've had that issue on my Note 5 as well, and apparently I was not alone and it was in fact an issue that was introduced with Android 10. Turning off VoLTE did work for me, but that of course entailed a significantly worse call quality. I ended up switching to a different carrier and the problem went away. Sucks to see that the issue can still arise on current handsets.
I had a note 5 too , I can't remember if it did it or not, but I switched to a Moto g7 power and it did it on there too . I think your right about the network. I'm on 3 in the UK and never thought of the network being at fault , cheers for that
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I don't know why Xiaomi hasn't released kernel sources for this device until now
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Because they don't want to and there's not really anything people can do about it.
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Because they don't want to and there's not really anything people can do about it.
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Under GNU General Public License (GPL) it is mandatory to release a device's kernel source code if it is a modified version of the Linux kernel.
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Under GNU General Public License (GPL) it is mandatory to release a device's kernel source code if it is a modified version of the Linux kernel.
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I know that they legally have to. But which user will sue them if they don't is what I'm saying.