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Much has been said about the best way to proceed with new battery technologies, but I would like to ask how you did things when you bought your OB and charged it for the first time. Did you consume the remaining ~30% left from factory before the first charge or did you charge it regardless what was left? when you did charged it, did you wait 8hrs or more to extend battery life in the future or just waited until it said it was full?
Thanks for your help
sensei22 said:
Much has been said about the best way to proceed with new battery technologies, but I would like to ask how you did things when you bought your OB and charged it for the first time. Did you consume the remaining ~30% left from factory before the first charge or did you charge it regardless what was left? when you did charged it, did you wait 8hrs or more to extend battery life in the future or just waited until it said it was full?
Thanks for your help
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First charge: well, you grab the usb cable. One side, the small connector you connect it to the upper side of the phone. The big usb connector, you connect it to the AC-to-USB adapter. Then, you plug in to the wall this big piece. Just kidding
If you read, you will find the experts saying that Li-ion batteries don't have memory effect and you don't need to do a first charge or full charge-discharge cycles. God forbid that I contradict them, but my experience says that the best is doing cycles from around 0% (well, below 10% you can plug it in), to 100%. Never parcial charges (for example from 65% to 100%, or from 20% to 60%), although I lately do lots of parcial charges because I can't play anymore to run out of battery.
The first remaining 30% out of the box, well although I knew I "shouldn't" use it (maybe), I just do because on the way home after picking it up, well, I want to try it! It won't hurt. Use it and when it's at 10%, charge it completely, to 100% and hang on a while before unplugging.
EDIT: no need to wait 8 hours or anything. Just 100% and some more minutes. Charger will stop letting the electricity go once the phone has said "hey, I'm fully charged". It's a environmental and energy saving thing. Completely pointless waiting hours (it won't charge).
8 hours ? Nope
Just normal charge when the battery is completely depeleted (about 5% or less)
so it i'll be replaced with the new 'ion' or something,then the longer battery life you'll get
When battery is still full or half of it's capacity (more or less), it's not recommended to charge it
Let's take an example, a half burnt tree branch, what happen to the burnt one if you keep burning the branch? Ashes
That's what i think and do
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Thanks for your responses guys, I want to clear out all my doubts since I want to buy this cell phone, and hopefully I can find a good price soon
Does the OB original charger prevent overcharge?
I usually leave my OB connected to charging during the night. Is it ok?
ohadz said:
Does the OB original charger prevent overcharge?
I usually leave my OB connected to charging during the night. Is it ok?
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Yes, it's okay
is it okay to charge the Note over night. it needs around 3.5 hours for a full charge. if i leave it on charger for 6-7 hours is that okay?
or should i charge in the morning before leaving home? like 2 or 2.5 hours max without touching the 100% mark.
which is the best option? thanks
I think You're fine to charge it overnight. When it is charged, charger stops pushing 'juice' to it. Always use standard charger n you'll be safe.
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Some ppl say its okay to keep overnight, sum don't. I personally dont keep the phone on charge overnight. (and it takes 4hrs to complete charge)
Why wouldn't you leave the phone on charge overnight ?
That's the thing everyone does, you can notice that when phone is fully charged, it stops charging (you can notice that by the temperature of the phone) ...
Its a normal thing, so you don't have to worry about it
If there were any problems with that, phone manufacturers would warn you by making big noticeable notification that phone is fully charged and that you have to unplug it immediately
I set mine on the nightstand, plugged in, and unplug in the morning. Done this with every phone I've ever owned. Works great.
I charge it over night every night. Nothing happen to it
I just got my xperia z, just wondering do i need to charge it for like 8 hours straight for the first time charge after draining its battery?
Also, will the battery overcharge if i accidentally leave it on the charger for extended periods of time?
I always find it best to follow what the manufacturer says, in this case:
Charge for 30 minutes before first use - after that, use untill drained and recharge till full - you're done. No "formatting" of the battery is needed, it's a thing of the past.
And no, the battery will not overcharge. If it could overcharge - they wouldn't make a charging dock for it. Modern batteries have a chip inside that measures their charge level and cuts the power when they reach 100%.
AW: Charging
Alvaris said:
I just got my xperia z, just wondering do i need to charge it for like 8 hours straight for the first time charge after draining its battery?
Also, will the battery overcharge if i accidentally leave it on the charger for extended periods of time?
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You can not damage the battery by leaving it on the charger. The first charge won't take 8 hours, after reaching 100% it is fully charged.
Ah shoot, what I did was slightly different than you said :/
I sorta drained the battery on first use, and it's currently charging and just reached 100%..it doesn't make much of a difference though, does it? or do i need to do some specific steps like to drain the battery all over again and recharge til full?
Alvaris said:
I just got my xperia z, just wondering do i need to charge it for like 8 hours straight for the first time charge after draining its battery?
Also, will the battery overcharge if i accidentally leave it on the charger for extended periods of time?
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NO need to charge it before using
however u don know wht s the battery level it s ok to charge it for 30mins But if the phone has more than 50% charge u don need to charge it at first use.
anyway if u didn do that like me and found ur battery has more than 50% charge thr s no problem at all However no problem if less than 50%
it s a smart device so thr s no over charge for its battery
Ah okay, then there should be nothing to worry about
thanks for the replies!
So I think i found an issue with this case.
I was at 35% battery on my phone and the case was at 1 light. I plugged in the charger at night hoping to charge both the internal battery and the case to 100% when I woke up. The phone was on charge for about 7 hours, which is more than enough to charge both internal and external battery.
I woke up to the phone battery being at 65% and the Zerolemon with the 4 light blinking.
What I think happened is this: At 4 AM my phone got charged to 100% (this was confirmed in the battery settings) , but because the charge is being relayed/passed through the the zerolemon battery, the zerolemon battery disconnected the charge when the internal battery reached 100% as it is designed to do to avoid overcharging the battery. After the disconnect, the internal battery began to discharge at its normal rate and when I woke up at 730, the battery was at 65%.
I'm not sure why the Zerolemon battery wasn't fully charged with 4 solid lights, isntead the 4th light was blinking.
Can anyone shed some light on this behaviour? If this is normal case, then I don't think I can ever get 100% charge on my battery overnight as the zerolemon will always disconnect the charge when the internal battery reaches 100%?
I don't have this case...But if your phone was discharging at it's "normal rate", and was at 65% when you woke up after it charged to 100%, you have a serious issue.
flashhsalf said:
So I think i found an issue with this case.
I was at 35% battery on my phone and the case was at 1 light. I plugged in the charger at night hoping to charge both the internal battery and the case to 100% when I woke up. The phone was on charge for about 7 hours, which is more than enough to charge both internal and external battery.
I woke up to the phone battery being at 65% and the Zerolemon with the 4 light blinking.
What I think happened is this: At 4 AM my phone got charged to 100% (this was confirmed in the battery settings) , but because the charge is being relayed/passed through the the zerolemon battery, the zerolemon battery disconnected the charge when the internal battery reached 100% as it is designed to do to avoid overcharging the battery. After the disconnect, the internal battery began to discharge at its normal rate and when I woke up at 730, the battery was at 65%.
I'm not sure why the Zerolemon battery wasn't fully charged with 4 solid lights, isntead the 4th light was blinking.
Can anyone shed some light on this behaviour? If this is normal case, then I don't think I can ever get 100% charge on my battery overnight as the zerolemon will always disconnect the charge when the internal battery reaches 100%?
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I've got this case, and haven't had this problem, but I will keep an eye on it. That seems weird. Your battery shouldn't have dropped that much in such a short period of time anyway. Try leaving your phone unplugged overnight without the case on it and see if the battery drains that badly in its own. This would at least let you know if the case is causing the problem or your phone is.
Ryano89 said:
I've got this case, and haven't had this problem, but I will keep an eye on it. That seems weird. Your battery shouldn't have dropped that much in such a short period of time anyway. Try leaving your phone unplugged overnight without the case on it and see if the battery drains that badly in its own. This would at least let you know if the case is causing the problem or your phone is.
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Agreed, I'll do another test tonight without the case to see what the discharge is without the case. I did go through 4 alarm clocks during the 4am to 730am period, but i agree the battery drain is excessive for 3.5 hours of no use other than alarm clocks.
I really hope the case isn't causing any battery drain when its not charging the phone.
jellybear456 said:
I don't have this case...But if your phone was discharging at it's "normal rate", and was at 65% when you woke up after it charged to 100%, you have a serious issue.
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I've never let the phone on without a charger overnight, so i have no way of knowing for sure if it was the zerolemon case or normal battery drain even if excessive.
I'll do more tests to find out.
I also have the case, and like the above commenters, I haven't had this problem. My best thought would be that the connection from the case to the phone is faulty, or not totally secure. Maybe take everything apart and reconnect it. Hopefully that does the trick
Hi,
We checked the issue with our engineers. It should be the phone itself which drains the battery . Below is the battery how to work. 1. Plug the battery case with your note 5 in it to wall with original charger 2. cell phone itself will get charged to 100% first(battery meter will show 100%),then it will be switched to charge the external battery until the indication lights are 4 solid lights which proves the external battery is fully charged. 3. After the 2 steps, your cell phone battery meter may drain to 95% or 90% it all depends. Your cell phone will get charged again to 100%. 4. All charging completed.
flashhsalf said:
So I think i found an issue with this case.
I was at 35% battery on my phone and the case was at 1 light. I plugged in the charger at night hoping to charge both the internal battery and the case to 100% when I woke up. The phone was on charge for about 7 hours, which is more than enough to charge both internal and external battery.
I woke up to the phone battery being at 65% and the Zerolemon with the 4 light blinking.
What I think happened is this: At 4 AM my phone got charged to 100% (this was confirmed in the battery settings) , but because the charge is being relayed/passed through the the zerolemon battery, the zerolemon battery disconnected the charge when the internal battery reached 100% as it is designed to do to avoid overcharging the battery. After the disconnect, the internal battery began to discharge at its normal rate and when I woke up at 730, the battery was at 65%.
I'm not sure why the Zerolemon battery wasn't fully charged with 4 solid lights, isntead the 4th light was blinking.
Can anyone shed some light on this behaviour? If this is normal case, then I don't think I can ever get 100% charge on my battery overnight as the zerolemon will always disconnect the charge when the internal battery reaches 100%?
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Tried all above steps. Battery connection is secure, all four lights are solid on. Phone is at 100% then drains during day without the zerolemon battery taking over and charging. I'm about to send it back unless the manufacturer has other suggestions. This should be dead simple..... but I'm not getting a charge.
The Note 5 has a HUGE battery drain issue that is model driven. AT&T note 5 will lose a HUGE amount of battery overnight and this is due to AT&T being the worse coders in the world.
I have the 8500 mah zerolemon battery case. .for me , the charging of the battery case takes a longer time indeed. Close to 15-16 hrs to charge it fully. Not sure if its the same for everyone or this should charge quicker. Would it make a difference that bought this case in USA, and using now in India?
lastfugi1979 said:
I have the 8500 mah zerolemon battery case. .for me , the charging of the battery case takes a longer time indeed. Close to 15-16 hrs to charge it fully. Not sure if its the same for everyone or this should charge quicker. Would it make a difference that bought this case in USA, and using now in India?
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I've had a few Zerolemon cases. Here is how they seem to work:
1. The charging passes through to the phone until the phone's internal battery hits 100 percent.
2. The case starts charging itself, ignoring the phone, until the case is at 100 percent. Depending on how much battery drain you have with your ROM and kernel, this may cause the internal phone battery to drop by 30 percent or even a little bit more.
3. Once the case is at 100 percent battery, it will charge the phone back up to 100 also.
It's not perfect, but it normally charges both my case and phone fully overnight. In cases where both were really close to dead, I've charged them separately and this seems to be quicker. Any microUSB charger is fine for the battery case, since it doesn't support rapid charging anyway.
Also, if you disconnect the charging cable and reconnect it, even for a split second, the case will go back to step 1.
It feels obvious that the case should be able to charge itself and the phone at the same time, but it seems not to be possible. And having used (and hated) a Mophie case that claimed to have that feature, I can tell you that just because the manufacturer claims the case can charge itself while it's also charging the phone, that isn't necessarily true.
Have we found that alarms will cause a problem? Mine will cease all charging at night. trying to figure out. I'll wake up with 20% down on phone(from start of charge) and single light on case blinking. After 6 hours+.
Note5, 8500mA case.
I used to use the case with no problem. The overnight charge was always sufficient for both, phone and zerolemon charge bank. This morning I got 43% and only one light blinking after the overnight charge.
Prior to that I was "playing" with some battery apps, installing, trying, uninstalling. IS IT POSSIBLE that any app can change setting to make zerolemon battery not to be charged or else?
While at work, I leave my phone plugged in and charged at all times.
I don't have exact temperatures but I've noticed that it is warm the whole time. Anyone else notice this?
blazinazn said:
While at work, I leave my phone plugged in and charged at all times.
I don't have exact temperatures but I've noticed that it is warm the whole time. Anyone else notice this?
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Are you using the official charger?
Some aftermarket USB C cables can damage your phone or even fry it completely.
If you are using a standard charger, I'm more inclined to say your phone is getting warm because the battery has been charging. If you have hotspot on, that can warm your phone up quite alot too... Basically the more your phone is doing the hotter it can get (Bluetooth/wifi/hotspot etc)
FYI: charging to 80/90% will make your battery last alot longer too, if you plan on keeping it a few years. Charging to 100% is the fastest way to degrade your li-ion battery.
If you are rooted you can limit your charge to 90% but depends if you don't have access to a charger all day you might need that 100%.
Hope that helps.
Demolition49 said:
Are you using the official charger?
Some aftermarket USB C cables can damage your phone or even fry it completely.
If you are using a standard charger, I'm more inclined to say your phone is getting warm because the battery has been charging. If you have hotspot on, that can warm your phone up quite alot too... Basically the more your phone is doing the hotter it can get (Bluetooth/wifi/hotspot etc)
FYI: charging to 80/90% will make your battery last alot longer too, if you plan on keeping it a few years. Charging to 100% is the fastest way to degrade your li-ion battery.
If you are rooted you can limit your charge to 90% but depends if you don't have access to a charger all day you might need that 100%.
Hope that helps.
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Yes, using the official charger. I also failed to mention that I have a case on my phone. Not sure if that is contributing to it.
Is it because charging to 100% counts as a full cycle? I will admit that I'm not up to snuff on battery tech and what the best way to preserve the battery long term. From my past understanding, if you take your battery all the way down and then charge it to 100%, then that was a full cycle. More cycles = degraded battery over time.
Not sure if this still holds true for li-ion batteries today.
Edit: My thought here is to leave it on the charger whenever I can, thus minimizing the cycles I put on the battery.
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While at work, I leave my phone plugged in and charged at all times.
I don't have exact temperatures but I've noticed that it is warm the whole time. Anyone else notice this?
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blazinazn said:
Yes, using the official charger. I also failed to mention that I have a case on my phone. Not sure if that is contributing to it.
Is it because charging to 100% counts as a full cycle? I will admit that I'm not up to snuff on battery tech and what the best way to preserve the battery long term. From my past understanding, if you take your battery all the way down and then charge it to 100%, then that was a full cycle. More cycles = degraded battery over time.
Not sure if this still holds true for li-ion batteries today.
Edit: My thought here is to leave it on the charger whenever I can, thus minimizing the cycles I put on the battery.
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My suggestion is download accubattery, it will tell you your battery temperature and also it calculates the degredation and health of your battery. It will also explain how many cycles of wear you are adding to the phone.
Back in the old days with nickel cadimium batteries you needed to do the whole 0-100 thing, that was good for battery memory... But modern day lithium batteries actually are better being topped off and kept between 20-80% in an ideal world. So deep discharges and high % charges wear out your battery significantly faster... This is why electric cars often limit charge, by doing this they can extend the life of the battery cells quite dramatically.... but if you are upgrading yearly, don't worry about it.
Here is an article that will help you.
EDIT: try charging with and without the case and see if it gets hot, definitely cases can be an insulator. You can monitor temp in accubattery.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/how-to-improve-battery-life-tips-myths-smartphones
The idea that there is a set number of charging cycles for a particular battery, and every time you charge the phone you use up one of those cycles regardless of how much it charges (ie a 10% charge and a 100% charge both use one charging cycle) isn't how modern cell phone batteries work.
As noted, it is best to not charge your phone to 100%, nor do you want to discharge your battery to 0%. It is best to charge it more frequently for a smaller amount of charge each time as well. So charging a phone 10% ten times is better for the better than charging the battery once for 100%.
Heat is also a huge problem with batteries and the hotter a battery gets, the shorter life expectancy it will have. So definitely look into the issue.
If rooted, there are a couple of Magisk modules that control charging. They usually will automatically pause charging if the battery gets too high of a temp. Once a preset time has passed, it will restore charging again. The idea being that the pause in charging will allow the battery temps to drop. You can also limit the battery max charge to another value other than 100% if you want. 80% max charge is suppose to be the sweet spot for battery longevity, but anything less than 100% is going to add life to your battery.
Just so you know the phone does not charge to 100% or allow you to discharge the battery completely. Your phone just shows that you are at 100% when charged as much as allowed and discharged as much as allowed when you reach 0% charge. The partial charge thing no longer has much of any effect since the phone is doing it for you already but the internet hasn't' caught up to that yet. These chargers do stop charging at full and your phone should not be warm if it's charged but unused. So... are you using while on the charger? That's not a great idea because it's going to kick it into charge over and over. The fellow above was correct about using proper cables, I'm not sure that's much of a problem anymore but there still may be some ringers on Amazon and elsewhere. You could also have something discharging the battery enough to get it to charge continuously or close enough to it to warm the phone up over time, a wake lock can do it for example. Those can keep the phone on charge enough to warm it up.
In general with charging it's going to be best to keep your charging and total cycles down because capacity loss during charging is a real issue due to physical deterioration and transfer of materials in the battery caused during the charge. You would be better served by allowing it to discharge at least somewhat and only charging as needed rather than keeping it plugged in. Since you're at work it should be fairly easy to plan your charging so that you'll be able to get through the day without the constant charge. Not saying wait until it dies and then charge, that would be inconvenient, just that you would get more life if you reduced your charge cycles.
No matter what your phone is getting warm something needs to be addressed if it's doing so when not used but plugged in. The charger should stop for long periods and the phone should be cool after the charge completes.