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Catch 22 with Stock OEM Rom vs Nexus devices

Hey Everyone! I was wondering if anyone else has this same feeling when it comes to their ROM/Phone choice. First off, i love stock android, i think its really fast and smooth and very stable. I also really like OEM's versions of android, however, no matter what found i end up buying, i usually end up rooting it within six months and flashing stock Android on it. But i'm always stuck because as much as i love stock Android, they have yet to come close to having really good Camera software. This is where OEM's come into play. The S6 easily has the best camera on the market right now. But that is mostly due to their copyrighted camera software. What do you think the chances are that we will ever see a custom ROM that is Stock Android with the OEM's camera software in there? My dream phone right now would be my S6 rooted with Stock Android with Samsungs camera.
What are your thoughts?

1% and I'm being generous
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Not only is the camera software proprietary, but it's also dependent on Touchwiz framework,apps and libraries. Attempts have been made in the past but it's too time consuming and it ends up in incomplete, buggy camera.

Yeah, i had a feeling that was a big problem, and I'm not holding my breath too much either.

laureanop said:
1% and I'm being generous
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Not only is the camera software proprietary, but it's also dependent on Touchwiz framework,apps and libraries. Attempts have been made in the past but it's too time consuming and it ends up in incomplete, buggy camera.
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I know there's Google now launcher, but are there themes that can change the notification bar and settings that can make it look like stock Android?

There's a Stock Android theme coming to the Theme Store within the next couple of weeks. The guy posted on Google + and he has already submitted all the work to Samsung.
Then you can add:
Google keyboard
Calendar
Google messenger
Notes
Google orNova launcher
Moonshine icon pack

Samsung should be ashamed.

They hyped up the new touchwiz to be less bloated and faster. Yeah. OK.
Reboot your phone. All the bloat is in the ram and it shows. It's embarrassingly ridonkulous. I bet battery life would improve close to an hour of SOT over a day's worth of use IF IT WASN'T USING CPU ALL THE TIME TO RELOAD APPS AND REARRANGE BLOAT.
I am disgusted by you Samsung. 3GB of RAM. 3GB!!! Sad to say but I think the note 5 isn't even on my radar. You took removable batteries and expandable storage away from us. Not to mention multi tasking. And you didnt fix it with the 5.1.1 update. Not even close. Worst $700 I spent.

Ok cool...do you feel better now?
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I agree with the whole memory thing. It seems Touchwiz is still pretty bloated. Went into running process and showing all the cached ones the phone is using like 2 GB running hardly anything but Touchwiz and a few apps. Even with this issue its amazing that this phone is still far and away the best atm.

@rbiter said:
They hyped up the new touchwiz to be less bloated and faster. Yeah. OK.
Reboot your phone. All the bloat is in the ram and it shows. It's embarrassingly ridonkulous. I bet battery life would improve close to an hour of SOT over a day's worth of use IF IT WASN'T USING CPU ALL THE TIME TO RELOAD APPS AND REARRANGE BLOAT.
I am disgusted by you Samsung. 3GB of RAM. 3GB!!! Sad to say but I think the note 5 isn't even on my radar. You took removable batteries and expandable storage away from us. Not to mention multi tasking. And you didnt fix it with the 5.1.1 update. Not even close. Worst $700 I spent.
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I agree 100% and to top it all off theres no damn cm 12 roms!!! Wtf developers are sleeping on this $700 phone, this saddens me to the max, i am so close to taking on the moto x 2014 deal for $400 stock android 64gb, its not like the 64bit processor made an effin difference at all... samsucks can go screw themselves.. im stuck with this shiity phone... i can only imagine how crazy cm12 would have been on this phone... but them devs too busy on cheaper phones.. with all them donations cm team should be able to buy the phone to work on it...da faq?..smfh im out ragged!
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People who build CM roms don't owe any one of us a ROM for the device. If you really that unhappy with the device then sell it simple as that.

Slicktune said:
I agree 100% and to top it all off theres no damn cm 12 roms!!! Wtf developers are sleeping on this $700 phone, this saddens me to the max, i am so close to taking on the moto x 2014 deal for $400 stock android 64gb, its not like the 64bit processor made an effin difference at all... samsucks can go screw themselves.. im stuck with this shiity phone... i can only imagine how crazy cm12 would have been on this phone... but them devs too busy on cheaper phones.. with all them donations cm team should be able to buy the phone to work on it...da faq?..smfh im out ragged!
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I'm sure you've noticed, the dev scene is gone. Just like ios got a lot of features from the jailbreak tweaks, Android has gotten a lot of features from rooted roms. Honestly, what do you need a custom rom for nowadays? Unlimited hotspot? That's really the only feature left for them to make standard.
And don't say it's because you want a vanilla phone. If you want vanilla, don't buy an S6. Buy a nexus. The CM Team has all but dissolved.
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dav3wash said:
I'm sure you've noticed, the dev scene is gone. Just like ios got a lot of features from the jailbreak tweaks, Android has gotten a lot of features from rooted roms. Honestly, what do you need a custom rom for nowadays? Unlimited hotspot? That's really the only feature left for them to make standard.
And don't say it's because you want a vanilla phone. If you want vanilla, don't buy an S6. Buy a nexus. The CM Team has all but dissolved.
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Dude, dude, dude, listen here... nexus 5 and or 6 does not have a 64bit processor...and 2nd can u imagine cyanogenmod/stock android runnin on a 64bit processor? It would be as fluid as the iphone... so all the guts inside the new s6 are for nothing....because they arent being exploited...their sitting inside my phone for nothing...
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I wouldn't say they are all for nothing. The performance on the phone is the smoothest and fastest I ever had on any phone. The battery life for a device with its battery size and screen resolution is very good as well. The only bone I have to pick is just the memory management. I wonder how the international releases of 5.1.1. will be. I'm not expecting anything really different but you never know. I'm still enjoying the experience of this phone and even if I wanted to get rid of it there isn't anything out there at the moment that I would rather have.

I thought this site was XDA-Developers not XDA-CryBabies ???
Seriously, why are you whining? Go exchange the phone it's that simple. I for one and loving my S6 and would never even dare to put wackkk CM on here to ruin the amazing camera. Go buy a 1+1 if ya want CM......

NJGSII said:
I agree with the whole memory thing. It seems Touchwiz is still pretty bloated. Went into running process and showing all the cached ones the phone is using like 2 GB running hardly anything but Touchwiz and a few apps. Even with this issue its amazing that this phone is still far and away the best atm.
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~2.7GB of tocuhwiz and bloat and allowing other apps to reside in ram. How can it far and away the beat?
NJGSII said:
I wouldn't say they are all for nothing. The performance on the phone is the smoothest and fastest I ever had on any phone. The battery life for a device with its battery size and screen resolution is very good as well. The only bone I have to pick is just the memory management. I wonder how the international releases of 5.1.1. will be. I'm not expecting anything really different but you never know. I'm still enjoying the experience of this phone and even if I wanted to get rid of it there isn't anything out there at the moment that I would rather have.
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Smoothest and fastest on any phone? Let me introduce you to 5.1.1 on my nexus 5 and HTC one m8gpe. Nexus 5 is about same in performance, HTC one m8 is noticeably quicker but neither have memory management problems with 32bit CPU and 2/3GB of RAM.
Not only did Samsung drop the ball but they lied about less bloat and just hid it in the RAM. My note4 isnt as smooth but it sure as hell manages memory a lot better and there is room for improvement at that. Many of us feel burned at the potential wasted at the expense of Samsung's poor coding, selfishness and lies.

Slicktune said:
[email protected]^$ did u not read?!?!?! Moto X 2014/ Nexus 5 and 6/ and one plus one or any lhone before the s6 has a 64 bit processor? Wtf why would i get an out dated phone makes no sense... now if u said the one plus 2 or the next moto X then ok...but one plus one has not 64bit processor!!!!!
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Essentially, what I'm reading is that you bought an S6, to not have an S6. The Nexus 6 may not have a 64-bit processor, but it is one of the smoothest running phones in existence. If it's that important to you, learn to build your own ROM. Be the dev you want to see. If it's not that important to you, don't complain about the phone you purchased. You could've waited for the next stock andrid phone.
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@Slicktune you bought the wrong phone. You've been *****ing about CM since a few days after the S6 dropped. We'll be lucky if we see CM before the end of the year, realistically. I'd say there's a 70% chance we'll never see it. So, either suck it up and deal with TW or bounce to the next device.

When did Samsung say there would be less bloat or better ram management? You saw all of that on blogs which have no connection to Samsung

@rbiter said:
~2.7GB of tocuhwiz and bloat and allowing other apps to reside in ram. How can it far and away the beat?
Smoothest and fastest on any phone? Let me introduce you to 5.1.1 on my nexus 5 and HTC one m8gpe. Nexus 5 is about same in performance, HTC one m8 is noticeably quicker but neither have memory management problems with 32bit CPU and 2/3GB of RAM.
Not only did Samsung drop the ball but they lied about less bloat and just hid it in the RAM. My note4 isnt as smooth but it sure as hell manages memory a lot better and there is room for improvement at that. Many of us feel burned at the potential wasted at the expense of Samsung's poor coding, selfishness and lies.
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You're speaking to someone who had both of those devices. Memory management was superior on 5.1.1. on the Nexus but this phone beats it in performance and battey.
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serio22 said:
When did Samsung say there would be less bloat or better ram management? You saw all of that on blogs which have no connection to Samsung
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I love when people get disappointed that something that was only rumored was not included in an update. Let's see if they acknowledge this issue.

Never understood why Members post or make these threads, if you are so unhappy with your device, you can go here and then get what you want----->> http://swappa.com/
Thread Closed........Thank you.

Will the Nexus 6 get Android O?

So I was thinking about it, the Nexus 6 is nearing the end of it's line for updates, it was already confirmed to get Android N because there are developer preview for N released for the Shamu. Is this phone likely to get O in another year when that gets released? What do you guys think? It definitely has the specs I'm sure for it, but google may just choose to not do it officially. Out of all the Nexus phones, I REALLY like my 6! They never made one with a monster of a screen like this! Thoughts? Stay nerdy my friends.

Nobody knows, but probably. The Nexus 5 came out with Jellybean and it's getting N.

Matt4542 said:
Nobody knows, but probably. The Nexus 5 came out with Jellybean and it's getting N.
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The N5 came out with KitKat...

OS updates: 24 months from date of release.
Security updates: 36 months from date of release OR 18 months from date of removal from the Play Store (whichever is longer).
The Nexus 6 will not get Android O, as it will be more than 24 months from the date of release. Of course, custom ROMs will mitigate that issue.

you watch.. it will.

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Matt4542 said:
Nobody knows, but probably. The Nexus 5 came out with Jellybean and it's getting N.
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It was released with 4.4 kitkat, the rumor of it getting N MAY not be true however. I read a thing just today that just because there's a build in the works on the repo, doesn't mean it's final. The Nexus 4 had a build for I think it was KK or MM, but of course never actually got the update.
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you watch.. it will.
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And Simms, I damn sure hope so! I LOVE MY N6 :angel: :angel: :angel: Dat screen size.

H4X0R46 said:
It was released with 4.4 kitkat, the rumor of it getting N MAY not be true however. I read a thing just today that just because there's a build in the works on the repo, doesn't mean it's final. The Nexus 4 had a build for I think it was KK or MM, but of course never actually got the update.
And Simms, I damn sure hope so! I LOVE MY N6 :angel: :angel: :angel: Dat screen size.
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While most likely unofficial (not Google Released) it will get it. The great thing about nexus devices, they only die when you let them. Well to a point of course.

Google has given their Nexus devices a span of two years. correct me if I'm wrong but they do major updates to a device for at least two years, and then security updates for 3. by that logic the Nexus 6 will sadly not see an official release of O. however with the beautiful thriving community of XDA on top of the fact that it's a Nexus, it will most definitely see an unofficial release.

Nexus 6 will not get android o the n is its last update
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Ya their will be its unofficial release
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nick (ATYCD) said:
Nexus 6 will not get android o the n is its last update
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Ya their will be its unofficial release
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No one should care about official or not. That is the whole point of having a nexus. Hell I am betting there will be a 8.0 rom for it a day or 2 after it is released. Before even the new nexus devices are delivered.

Yaa android o will be a update for it
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Lets be honest: who among us still uses a phone after 3 years or longer nowadays anyway as their main driver?

Its not about using the phowe for 3yr its about the update and in specs its a good choice moderate one
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gee2012 said:
Lets be honest: who among us still uses a phone after 3 years or longer nowadays anyway as their main driver?
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Many people do. If you looked at most of the devices from the mod team you will find many keep their devices for about 4 years or so.
Learned long ago there is no point in updating alot. The hardware changes are minor at best.

gee2012 said:
Lets be honest: who among us still uses a phone after 3 years or longer nowadays anyway as their main driver?
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The last time I kept a phone for more than 3 years was the original Nexus. Nothing out there now peaks my interest. Now that I'm used to the large screen, I can't go back to a 5.5 or smaller phone. I may actually keep my 6 for another 18 months unless Google introduces a new Nexus device with a large screen.

Is it likely there will be a new 6" Nexus in the next several years? 5.5 to 5.7 seems to be the upper limit for the high end phablets.

gee2012 said:
Lets be honest: who among us still uses a phone after 3 years or longer nowadays anyway as their main driver?
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The rate of hardware advancement is slowing down dramatically. There is really nothing that you gain by buying new hardware compared to something like a Nexus 6. A very small boost in speed, and 64bit that doesn't do much for a phone (basically, its benefit is limited to crypto).
So do tell me why anybody would want to spend $500-$1000 on new hardware when it doesn't actually do anything useful for them?
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Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
OS updates: 24 months from date of release.
Security updates: 36 months from date of release OR 18 months from date of removal from the Play Store (whichever is longer).
The Nexus 6 will not get Android O, as it will be more than 24 months from the date of release. Of course, custom ROMs will mitigate that issue.
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Just keep in mind that google didn't say that they will cut everybody off at those times, but rather that they only GUARANTEE updates until then. Seems to me that there remains a possibility of official full version updates for as long as providing them isn't overly burdensome.
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zelendel said:
No one should care about official or not. That is the whole point of having a nexus. Hell I am betting there will be a 8.0 rom for it a day or 2 after it is released. Before even the new nexus devices are delivered.
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Well, care about official or not works like this;
If you want to run code from a source that you trust, you will either run the official builds, or spin your own. No sane person will trust the binaries built by fly by night hacks from some random website (including something bigger like cyanogenmod, because the quality control on that is basically bullpoop).
So for trustworthy code, there are two sources. One of those two sources can be burdensome. Therefore YES, WE DO CARE if google continues with the builds.

Anyone still use?

I was just wondering if there are many users of this device still around here.
I have the 32 bit US gsm version. This is my old phone that I'm currently using. As my Samsung Note4 broke.
I was just thinking,if there was a demand and mainly if I have time,that I might possibly develop something.
If any interest, please make a reply!

Hallo, I'm using the international version (64bit).

I still use my 510.Wish there was a custom ROM.

Yup.
I'm rocking a 510 I found on the side of the road XD

It would be great to see some new dev work on the 32bit.
Do you have any experience with building CM/LineageOS?

I have 2x EU 64-Bit international version, i bought that two years ago for just 34 EUR per item. I would like to see a working custom rom version, i have no problem when camera is not working.

I have the HTC Desire 510 x32 bit with cm-11 on it. I've had it for 3 yrs but I don't use it often. Thanks for making a post to enlighten the development of the device again. I think I'll continue fixing the cm-12.1-UNOFFICIAL-a11 Rom and move on to porting a Lineage OS Rom. The device has potential because it's just like the other HTC Desire devices put aside the fact it has a older model number and maybe some different ram.

Sure, why not. I haven't done a full build from scratch yet, would be a good jumping off point. Anyone want lineage?

Love you long time
aaron74 said:
I was just wondering if there are many users of this device still around here.
I have the 32 bit US gsm version. This is my old phone that I'm currently using. As my Samsung Note4 broke.
I was just thinking,if there was a demand and mainly if I have time,that I might possibly develop something.
If any interest, please make a reply!
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I would love you forever if you could find a way to patch the cellular data bug in the unofficial cm12.1 that's floating around for this phone. If you could also fix the camera bug, I'm not even sure what exactly I might be persuaded to do. Almost everything these days either requires lollipop to run, and there are even some bugs that exist in the apps that still work on KitKat (TLS 1.2 support!).
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Hey could anyone with this phone please post the apk for Bluetooth Share Module? I deleted it thinking it was the Bluetooth le profiles mentioned on the debloat page and now I can't turn on Bluetooth! Pretty please?

Ok, nevermind on the request for the Bluetooth apk. I took a current vnand backup, then reflashed my custom ROM, grabbed the apk, then reflashed my backup and installed the previous apk.
I can haz all the genius

Yea I have the 4gb version Sprint. There's barely any space so does anyone know what's safe to uninstall without causing any damage?

aaron74 said:
I was just wondering if there are many users of this device still around here.
I have the 32 bit US gsm version. This is my old phone that I'm currently using. As my Samsung Note4 broke.
I was just thinking,if there was a demand and mainly if I have time,that I might possibly develop something.
If any interest, please make a reply!
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Yes! Please a working custom ROM for this would be incredible, esp LOS / CM. I'm on a virgin mobile.
thank you
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NonStickAtom785 said:
I have the HTC Desire 510 x32 bit with cm-11 on it. I've had it for 3 yrs but I don't use it often. Thanks for making a post to enlighten the development of the device again. I think I'll continue fixing the cm-12.1-UNOFFICIAL-a11 Rom and move on to porting a Lineage OS Rom. The device has potential because it's just like the other HTC Desire devices put aside the fact it has a older model number and maybe some different ram.
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that would be incredible please do! cheers!

Yea I still have my sprint desire 510 with only 4gb of space. That would be great if you are still doing it.

Planning on purchasing a new Note 9, some questions...

Hello everyone!
I am planning on purchasing a Note 9 which has just come up on discount locally. I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a few questions I have : ):
- Does the battery life of the Note 9 diminish greatly within a few months of usage?
- Does the stock Samsung UI start to lag a lot within a few months of usage?
- Stock camera app good enough or will need to install Google Cam app? If so, How good is google camera app on the Note 9?
Thank you for your time.

No
No
Very good
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Maky-313 said:
Hello everyone!
I am planning on purchasing a Note 9 which has just come up on discount locally. I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a few questions I have : ):
- Does the battery life of the Note 9 diminish greatly within a few months of usage?
- Does the stock Samsung UI start to lag a lot within a few months of usage?
- Stock camera app good enough or will need to install Google Cam app? If so, How good is google camera app on the Note 9?
Thank you for your time.
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it all depends on what you install on it.
but for the last question stock is pretty good. especially if device has the latest firmware(software update)

Maky-313 said:
Hello everyone!
I am planning on purchasing a Note 9 which has just come up on discount locally. I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a few questions I have : ):
- Does the battery life of the Note 9 diminish greatly within a few months of usage?
- Does the stock Samsung UI start to lag a lot within a few months of usage?
- Stock camera app good enough or will need to install Google Cam app? If so, How good is google camera app on the Note 9?
Thank you for your time.
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Best way to charge is with a wireless charge pad overnight. That's a slow charge and very easy on the battery. By the end of my 12hr days of moderate talking/texting, the phone is at 80%, and then I use it all night (instead of tv) and it's at 50% when I go to bed. That's with auto brightness, the dark UI (night mode) and no added theme. Dark mode all the apps. It looks gorgeous. I've had it for about four months, and it's an amazing phone. No lag. VERY nice OS (Android 9 + OneUI). Camera app is excellent. Google Cam app would not be better. When you buy a Note9 new, do ALL the updates (Android 8 to 9 and all security patches) right away before installing any apps, and you will have a trouble-free system. Android 9 in most regions does not have call recording. A US unbranded Note9 is bloat-free and great for T-Mobile, because you still get wifi-calling and VoLTE, but for the other carriers, you lose those if you don't get their branded version. If you want to root your phone, you must buy an Exynos or dual-sim Snapdragon version. All US Note9 versions are bootloader-locked and will not root. Ain't happening. This is the first Android setup I've had where it's so good I don't need root (7 of my Androids are rooted and non-stock ROMmed). Note9 is better than Note10. The last great Samsung phone.

If you're thinking about Sprint as a carrier learn Spanish. No way Jose. The device cant do voice and data unless you downgrade to Oreo and even then its wishy washy.

docdg said:
If you're thinking about Sprint as a carrier learn Spanish. No way Jose. The device cant do voice and data unless you downgrade to Oreo and even then its wishy washy.
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CDMA has always been terrible.

Nah just this phone

ok thanks guys
It's really betweent his and the S9 for now.

No lag at all running on firmware that orginally shipped with the Note 9 which is Android 8.1.

dave678 said:
No lag at all running on firmware that orginally shipped with the Note 9 which is Android 8.1.
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Why you're still on such an old firmware???
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bat0nas said:
Why you're still on such an old firmware???
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Easy. Becasue I hate Pie.

I want to buy a 512GB Note9 International for Christmas or so, nice to see everyone is happy with the phone & the updates

dave678 said:
Easy. Becasue I hate Pie.
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Have you tried it?
I really don't understand the haters.
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dave678 said:
Easy. Because I hate Pie.
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Don't go past Oreo Dave. There is more wrong past that than is immediately apparent. Most of the complaints at the play store about apps that used to work and don't anymore is based on not only Pie, but also play store updates that put you in iPhone prison. The apps at the Play Store had to be rewritten to uselessness to remain listed, which made apkpure.com my new friend to download previous versions of apps, and turn off Google Policy Updates at both the play store and my phone. Because I have the 960U, I had to flash to the US UNLOCKED U1 firmware and then disable updates in the configs by following these instructions. The forcing updates by US carriers and play store to strip functionality that protects you appears to be a US deep state driven thing because many nations won't put up with those restrictions and appears to be a U-model-only thing.

There's a lot of opinions and hyperbole about Pie and OneUI on Note9. I've been running it since day one on Note9, and I have zero app issues. I think most app issues are from updating from 8 to 9 after apps were installed. Those with upgrade issues have done a factory reset then reinstalled apps and watched all those issues go away. I like it much more than Android 8 + TouchWiz. Most of the justified dislike is around call recording. If you must have call recording, better disable updates and stay on old software otherwise update without worry, and enjoy continued security updates.

Had zero issues after update.
When I hear people complaining about such things I tend to believe that the problem is not with pie+one_ui but with the people.
Yes there are exceptions.
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bat0nas said:
Have you tried it?
I really don't understand the haters.
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I have tried it multipe times whenever I go to Costco. By playing around with an S10 and Note 10 Plus and I still hate it.
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gruuvin said:
There's a lot of opinions and hyperbole about Pie and OneUI on Note9. I've been running it since day one on Note9, and I have zero app issues. I think most app issues are from updating from 8 to 9 after apps were installed. Those with upgrade issues have done a factory reset then reinstalled apps and watched all those issues go away. I like it much more than Android 8 + TouchWiz. Most of the justified dislike is around call recording. If you must have call recording, better disable updates and stay on old software otherwise update without worry, and enjoy continued security updates.
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I just hate the look and no AM or PM.

gruuvin said:
There's a lot of opinions and hyperbole about Pie and OneUI on Note9. I've been running it since day one on Note9, and I have zero app issues. I like it much more than Android 8 + TouchWiz. Most of the justified dislike is around call recording. If you don't need that, then you can update without worry.
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I would agree with that. Actually, any app other than a dialer that leverages your contacts and call history is hamstrung or no longer works. On Android 10, they purposely killed call recording altogether. Since most calls go VoLTE, the calling parties are the only ones deprived of a record of their calls. Everyone else in the chain keeps a copy.
Android established its market by being the open choice, and actually the only choice for non-Apple after Steve Balmer pulled the plug on the Windows Mobile/Pocket PC. Even rooting was a normal option without permanently disabling the capabilities of your device. The progression has been to force IOS limitations upon Android, with more an more access to your private information by phone makers and Google. As with LTE-A, It's time for a non-proprietary mobile operating system that is beholden to its users instead of companies and governments. Vendors can plug their Touchwiz or whatever into that.
As for CDMA, Qualcomm used it as a product name because it incorporates cdma as a technology. The only reason GSM didn't go with it is CDMA as a product name and technology is because it was owned by Qualcomm. GSM service was poor, expensive, and impractical in many areas until later when GSM went to cdma. The EU legislated against CDMA, and this affected their orbiting countries. Developed countries went with CDMA, including the US, Japan, South Korea, Russia, etc., and even countries in the EU bolted GSM for CDMA. The defining moment came at 4G time when Sprint gained control of Clearwire, the owner of the new 4G, Wi-MAX. This caused Verizon to bolt Wi-MAX. Their clout plus the emerging Cingular/ATT network caused Sprint to realize they couldn't pull this off and they also bolted. That enabled LTE to gain critical mass and LTE-A to become the IP of cellular networks. With the problem becoming usable cellular bandwidth, and with a usable de facto worldwide standard for wireless communication, the FCC and similar organizations could now force out the 3G and earlier technologies that were tying up bandwidth. Because CDMA is locked to the wireless network vendor and cannot be shared, it is logical for it to be the first on the chopping block. There are no longer any Wi-MAX phones, but Clearwire, who was and is many years ahead, has gone on to provide the wireless matrix for many of the largest cities around the world with user technologies at their perimeter, of which 5G is one. GSM's claim to fame has never been one of technical superiority, it has been openness and interoperability. However, the US did something similar when it developed the DARPANET/INTERNET by not allowing proprietary protocols and building out IP.

When I updated my S7 to Oreo, I liked the improvements over Nougat, but there were still a lot of things with the OS that needed tweaking, with frameworks like Exposed or Substratum. But with third-party options like that, the problem is diverging development, late bug-fixes, and generally dealing with a certain amount of brokenness. I think Android+Samsung OS has evolved well, to the point where PieOneUI is the first system that I don't mind not rooting or need to heavily tweak. Dark mode is a big part of that. I HATE WHITE APPS. I think Android 10 with OneUI is going to be quite good.
All that said, I agree with IT, and I don't like the GOOG having this much control. I do wish we had a much more open and community driven OS.
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dave678 said:
I just hate the look and no AM or PM.
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AM or PM? ruserious?
Now that you pointed it out, I might have to roll back to Oreo! Oh wait, I can look out the window.
To me, this OS feels like less is more. It's clean, it's laid out sensibly. (unbranded no carrier bloat + tmobile + Nova Prime also helps). There is a Note9 OneUI port for the S7, which has made my S7 almost perfect now.

gruuvin said:
When I updated my S7 to Oreo, I liked the improvements over Nougat, but there were still a lot of things with the OS that needed tweaking, with frameworks like Exposed or Substratum. But with third-party options like that, the problem is diverging development, late bug-fixes, and generally dealing with a certain amount of brokenness. I think Android+Samsung OS has evolved well, to the point where PieOneUI is the first system that I don't mind not rooting or need to heavily tweak. Dark mode is a big part of that. I HATE WHITE APPS. I think Android 10 with OneUI is going to be quite good.
All that said, I agree with IT, and I don't like the GOOG having this much control. I do wish we had a much more open and community driven OS.
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AM or PM? ruserious?
Now that you pointed it out, I might have to roll back to Oreo! Oh wait, I can look out the window.
To me, this OS feels like less is more. It's clean, it's laid out sensibly. (unbranded no carrier bloat + tmobile + Nova Prime also helps). There is a Note9 OneUI port for the S7, which has made my S7 almost perfect now.
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Ahh the old look out the window comment. You live in Alaska you're ****ed so you need AM and PM. Also it's on phones for years until the notch trend rolled in and they axed it. If it's useless then why did so many people beg Samsung to bring it back during the Pie beta test?