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Galaxy Tab Replaceable Battery?

Hi guys,
does anybody know if the samsung galaxy tab has a changeable battery?

It's not replaceable. Period

Is there a way yo open it up?

Really ? That sucks... Honestly. I was going to get one but this + fact it doesn't have phone capabilities cools me off
On top of that we have the Dual Core Cortex A9 around the corner...

Alcibiade said:
Really ? That sucks... Honestly. I was going to get one but this + fact it doesn't have phone capabilities cools me off
On top of that we have the Dual Core Cortex A9 around the corner...
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Eh... it has perfect phone capabilities! Ive called from it many times both via sim and via skype.
Where are people reading all this misinformation?

ftgg99 said:
Eh... it has perfect phone capabilities! Ive called from it many times both via sim and via skype.
Where are people reading all this misinformation?
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It is not slated (lol?) to have phone capabilities in the United States but it has yet to be discovered if the U.S. models have the hardware and it is just disabled or if it's just not there.

I see. My understanding was that Google will only allow 3g tablets to have access to the market... which might mean Samsung will cave in and go cros-provider in the us too.
In any case, you will not be replacing a phone with the tab, and it will work just fine of the mobile hotspots you have in that...

Alcibiade said:
Really ? That sucks... Honestly. I was going to get one but this + fact it doesn't have phone capabilities cools me off
On top of that we have the Dual Core Cortex A9 around the corner...
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If you mean the PlayBook, then I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you... The first version to come out will only have WiFi (no 3G) and RIM isn't exactly known for putting out great firmware for their devices - check the poor Torch, heh.
I actually have stocks in RIM, but I'm not hopeful...

ftgg99 said:
Eh... it has perfect phone capabilities! Ive called from it many times both via sim and via skype.
Where are people reading all this misinformation?
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You have a US Galaxy tab ? I dont think so it's not out yet (Or you're among the lucky ones testing for a carrier in the US)
It was announced that the US version of the Tab would not have phone capabilities
If it has, then that's great

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If you mean the PlayBook, then I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you... The first version to come out will only have WiFi (no 3G) and RIM isn't exactly known for putting out great firmware for their devices - check the poor Torch, heh.
I actually have stocks in RIM, but I'm not hopeful...
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Mmh yes and no. The playbook is expected to have a fantastic battery life and great CPU power. But as you say... No 3G and the need to carry a BBY with it
I was just hoping that we'd see HTC and others show some Gingerbread tablets running this type of HW (I read that somewhere). That said they may show the HW but release it only a quarter or so later. I wont wait that long... Will probably lift the Tab until something better gets out. And hopefully the Samsung will get Gingerbread to down the road (Plus it may overclock well...)

What is it with you Yanks? Why do you assume that people who speak English are from the new world? This forum is European. The tab has been out here for a while now. I am writing on it right now...
Also, why is it you assume that people who don't agree with you must be lying? This cannot be psychologically healthy
www.engadget.com/2010/09/16/samsung-galaxy-tab-wifi-only-version-coming/ http://www.samsungusanews.com/2010/...ts-samsung-galaxy-tab-in-stores-in-november-/ Combine the two and you get a very clear picture...
Where does that say that there will be no 3g? Also, you can't seriously be looking to the tab for a phone replacement, which means you will always be able to tether.
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crapbag172 said:
Hi guys,
does anybody know if the samsung galaxy tab has a changeable battery?
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Better late than nothing...
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-Teardown/4103/1
Let me know if already posted,
Thanks

battery is easy to change/replace!
even it made not for customer to change

X2 compared to GX2

I am really wanting the T-Mobile GX2 and I have read through a lot of posts. I am coming from the Vibrant which has tons of pro's and a few crappy Cons but over all it is a great phone. Even reading through a lot of posts I am still not seeing a few answer's that I have.
One is the Vibrant has 2gigs for app installs. I love this compared to the N1's wimpy 192k. So how much does the 2X have for application storage? By that I mean without Apps2SD.
The screen? Is it a standard LCD? AMOLED? I love the Vibrants screen, but it can be annoying for TXT on some websites.
HDMI output? Is it just a standard cable? and is it a true 1080p on the big screen or a scaled 840x480 that the phone puts out? And is it true mirroring, meaning anything on the phone is displayed on the TV and I mean anything?
WIFI? is it N? Bluetooth? I hear the Wiimote is not working, but I am wondering if the T-Mobile version with the AOSP setup will make a difference.
Speaker internal and ear piece. I am really bad on hearing and I love the Vibrants ear piece as there is an option for HAC mode which CRANKS up the earpiece volume so I can hear in a noisy environment. And is the external speaker loud? Again hearing a game is important and a nice clear loud speaker is not a requirement but a plus.
size and weight? is it a super heavy device? and how does it fit in large hands? Do you feel like it is constantly trying to jump out of your hand? My Vibrant is a bit slick and sometimes I feel like it could just fly out of my hand.
I think that is all I had for now.
Thanks for any of those Q's that you guys can answer. I'm really looking forward to this phone!!

Since I dont have the international version of this phone, I am not sure on some of these things that you mentioned but I will share what I have read so far. I am on the same boat and I am starting to not like my Vibrant due to lack of support from Samsung and also faulty gps. I am considering to buy this phone when it comes out and I don’t think I will ever go with a Samsung phone again.
As far as memory goes, G2X will come with 2gb memory for apps and android system. And it will also come with 8gb storage on board.
The screen is an IPS LCD, I am not sure what exactly it will be called. Since iphone retina displays are made by LG, I am expecting to see similar type of screen. The blacks might not be as good as the AMOLED but it will probably be better dpi, less pixilation. So better text reading compare to vibrant screen.
The phone will will have other similar specs, such as the HDMI output, 512 ROM, 8mp camera and 1.3mo font facing camera, NVidia tegra 2, same wifi chip, same Bluetooth chip and same battery. The HDMI connection will be a micro HDMI to standard hdmi, there wont be any tweaks or adaptors and you should be able to have 1080p signal.
I am not sure on the speakers, others who has this phone will have better input on this.
Size will be almost the same to international version, it will be a little larger than vibrant but same screen size. The weight will be slightly more. Almost the same weight as iphone 4. I believe about 139grams.
Above all this phone will have quad-band data. In other word it will be able connect ATT's 3g network if there is a merge in the future. Also this phone will have a hdspa+ capability, which should be 21mb/s data speeds. But the main reason that I think I want this phone is because it will run on stock android. It will be free of the bloatware and It should look clean and presumably a lot faster. For that reason I am assuming it will take more attention by XDA-devs, and hopefully more custom roms and support.

App install partition is 1.45gb
Screen is a beautiful IPS LCD, as used on the Iphone 4 (LG produce the screen for the Iphone 4) - sharp, very bright, with vibrant colors and good viewing angles
Being an LCD blacks are not as solid black as on Amoled, but blacks are still very good for an LCD and color reproduction is good - it is a very high class LCD screen, pictures look stunning, easily as good as my HTC Desires Amoled screen. Looking at it you wont feel you miss out.
HDMI output is a standard HDMI cable but with micro HDMI in the phone end off cource. The cable comes with the phone. It is true mirroring, what you see on the phone you also see on the screen. Since android itself only support screen resolution op to 854x480 all Android screens (desktop, games etc.) are in this resolution being scaled to selected output resolution of either 720p or 1080p, but when you play video it switch from mirroring to only outputting video in native video resolution, and you can then only see video controls on the phone screen and the video overlay itself in 1080p on the flatscreen.
Wifi is N
Speaker is mediocre - both internal and external - not bad but nothing really special either. No HAC mode to my knowledge
It is not heavy at all, despite its size, which actually doesnt feel that big either, it feels light but solid. The feeling in the hand when holding it is excellent - better than almost anything else. Edges are rounded, even the glass front has rounded sides, backplate are "rubbery" feeling - you dont feel like you are going to drop and its very comfortable to hold and comfortable towards the ear also. I have tried most phones on the market the last 10 years or so and I cant think of anything with a better feel when holding it. Some (who dont own the phone) complaints about the buttom space for softbuttons being to big, but its actually just perfect. The sice means that the softbuttons are comfortable to reach when using the phone with one hand, and it means you dont make accidental touches. My Iphone 4 feel like barbwire in comparison. Sharp, slippery and uncomfortable to hold and to put next to your ear.

Many of your questions can be answered by just looking up the phone specs and comparing...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3598&idPhone2=3416

nomisunrider said:
Many of your questions can be answered by just looking up the phone specs and comparing...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3598&idPhone2=3416
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missed the topic or something?

Thanks guys for the compares! The 1.5Gb install is a win as I really don't want to go back to the limit app space. And I cannot wait to see the screen in person as the Iphone 4 screen does look nice. The micro HDMI is cool, was hoping it wasn't that special USB plug that requires strange adapters. As for the feel I finally pulled up some pics that shows sizes between the Vibrant and the x2 and they look about the same with the x2 being just a bit thicker, so that would work.
The missing HAC is going to suck as my hearing is horrible and I need that extra sound boost. Guess I'll have to wait and see.. er.. hear it.
again thanks guys for the info especially the app space that is a big one!

nomisunrider said:
Many of your questions can be answered by just looking up the phone specs and comparing...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3598&idPhone2=3416
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I did not see anything in this link that covers the G2X, and it is not listed in "LG" phones when you open that link on the left. This thread was on the differences (like the additional 3/4G bands, etc.).

Mehrsau said:
missed the topic or something?
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The topic is g2x versus 2x, however his post is comparing it to his vibrant...

gaww said:
I did not see anything in this link that covers the G2X, and it is not listed in "LG" phones when you open that link on the left. This thread was on the differences (like the additional 3/4G bands, etc.).
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Why would the g2x be listed under LG? It is the "T-mobile g2x"
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3888&idPhone2=3598

nomisunrider said:
Why would the g2x be listed under LG? It is the "T-mobile g2x"
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3888&idPhone2=3598
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Good catch - thought they would list under manufacturer and assumed that it only showed current phone - it actually has the G2x US device. In shows the extra 3G/4G frequencies (the only reason I may get it).
In the list of other software, it does not show WiFi calling - really hope that can be installed.

...furthermore, why is a T-Mobile phone using the 850MHz HSPA band and not the usual 900MHz one? Even if it goes through, the AT&T/T-Mobile merger deal isn't going to take effect until well after everybody's moved on from the "G2X"
Kind of annoying, as pretty much the rest of the world uses 900MHz HSPA

nomisunrider said:
The topic is g2x versus 2x, however his post is comparing it to his vibrant...
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I have posted in a couple other forums and the threads lost all meaning because no-one understood what I was asking so I made sure this time by listing some things about the Vibrant as a reference. All I am asking is for 2x info, detailed better then specs sheets tell, so I can see if the G2x is going to be worth getting since both devices will be very similar.
Sorry for the confusion.

unfnknblvbl said:
...furthermore, why is a T-Mobile phone using the 850MHz HSPA band and not the usual 900MHz one? Even if it goes through, the AT&T/T-Mobile merger deal isn't going to take effect until well after everybody's moved on from the "G2X"
Kind of annoying, as pretty much the rest of the world uses 900MHz HSPA
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There are several phone companies that are finding it easier to make a base phone that supports more then one carrier and pass it through the FCC. Every FCC filing costs the phone manufacture money and anything to alleviate that cost helps. There are a couple sprint phones coming from manufactures that carry Verizon freq's as well. I think this will be a trend amongst all phone manufactures sooner or later.
Also the 850 to 900 issue, I have no idea, maybe it's because of a spectrum issue here in the states. Or maybe ATT just wants to be different.

reddragon72 said:
There are several phone companies that are finding it easier to make a base phone that supports more then one carrier and pass it through the FCC. Every FCC filing costs the phone manufacture money and anything to alleviate that cost helps. There are a couple sprint phones coming from manufactures that carry Verizon freq's as well. I think this will be a trend amongst all phone manufactures sooner or later.
Also the 850 to 900 issue, I have no idea, maybe it's because of a spectrum issue here in the states. Or maybe AT&T just wants to be different.
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850 is an AT&T US band - not 900. TMo has a problem here (US) already with selling possible dead-end devices. And since offering "discounted' devices for new or extended contracts is the primary way of signing up and keeping customers in the US, this could be a real problem to them down the road.
Even though many will move up to a different device by then (AT&T) anyway, it still is a worry point, and according to a few local TMo stores - they are noticing it already.

I looked at the network frequencies on t-mobile.com & on phonearena.com and i say this definately my next phone. It has both at&t 3g/hspa and t-mobile 3g/hspa. I'm glad t-mobile brings this out so AT&T won't cripple it like they do their android phones. Its sad that AT&T customers have to go 5 miles to be able to sideload apps, find out that HSUPA is disabled, and deal with capped data speeds. Phuck that. I like AT&T's service but I never bought an AT&T locked android phone. Hence my rant. I will be buying one and unlocking it to use with AT&T. It might help me out if the merger goes through. Having all the bands would totally kick butt!

Looks like release date of the 15th
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2x-may-see-release-april-15-and-g-slate-529-coming-soon

[Q] Worth it for 249?

Thinking of getting an LG G Watch R, is it worth it for $249?

I bought this device three months ago - going on three months of owning it. I bought for full price in march of this year. From my day-to-day use and observations, I see it as a pretty solid device.
For starters, I like look of it. The watch body is pretty solid in design. It feels no different than wearing my normal wristwatch. The screen is pretty good. It's been said since its an P-OLED display, it can exhibit burn-in/ image retention with high brightness settings and certain colors. So you should be cautious with the screen brightness. That being said, I haven't seen any burn-in so far.
Next, the battery life with my usage has been pretty good. I use it everyday (not too much on the weekends) with always-on setting enabled, brightness level between 3 and 1 and Swapp's true dark apps usually enabled. I also turn it off overnight; I have no need to wear it to track my sleep patterns. Using these settings, I have gotten through three days.
Lastly, the connectivity is pretty good. You've got about thirty meters or so of distance to go before the watch losses connection. So if you are in your house/ apartment, you can leave your phone in one room and still be connected. That being said, the whole issue with whether or not the next AW update gives the device isn't that be of an issue (at least for me). Most times I am wearing the watch, I have my phone on me and WiFi is not available (at work; at home completely different story).
Bottom line is I think this device is worth the money.

That would be entirely up to you. Do you think it's worth it? People who own it obviously think it's worth it.

LG = Lots of Greed
dkb218 said:
That would be entirely up to you. Do you think it's worth it? People who own it obviously think it's worth it.
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Do you really want to hand your money over to this greedy, disreputable company. Just over 6 months ago, they announced to the world that the LG G Watch R is "fully future proof" because, for example, that it has WIFI built in for the day it should become available in Android Wear OS (goo.gl/oKU5R9 (5:19)). They even had it certified by the FCC for WIFI. Now they say that LGR won't have WIFI enabled but it will be enabled with LGU even though the two products have the same internals. Now they are apparently releasing apps that are locked to the LGU and won't work with the LGR.
It's not that I'd likely use WIFI, and similar calling apps are already on Google Play, but I don't like adding my hard earned money to the coffers of companies like LG. If you don't either, I'd suggest that you look at an alternative device.
In the meantime, I'm trying to get a refund from LG so I can buy from another manufacturer.

datawrhsdoc said:
Do you really want to hand your money over to this greedy, disreputable company. Just over 6 months ago, they announced to the world that the LG G Watch R is "fully future proof" because, for example, that it has WIFI built in for the day it should become available in Android Wear OS (goo.gl/oKU5R9 (5:19)). They even had it certified by the FCC for WIFI. Now they say that LGR won't have WIFI enabled but it will be enabled with LGU even though the two products have the same internals. Now they are apparently releasing apps that are locked to the LGU and won't work with the LGR.
It's not that I'd likely use WIFI, and similar calling apps are already on Google Play, but I don't like adding my hard earned money to the coffers of companies like LG. If you don't either, I'd suggest that you look at an alternative device.
In the meantime, I'm trying to get a refund from LG so I can buy from another manufacturer.
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Well said mate! :good:

Honestly, besides the wifi setback the G Watch R is a solid device! And the Moto 360 is not my cup of tea...
Get this: I have an iPhone, but I have a Nexus 7 2013 and I will use a tablet (yes, a tablet) to power my wear device. Why won't I just buy an apple watch? I hate the apple watch. Everyone is complaining about the G Watch R lacking wifi, but honestly it's probably Better then the Apple Watch.
And all of the people on this website probably know somewhat about modding this stuff! The G Watch R has the hardware, all of us could find a way to enable WiFi unofficially. Now everyone should stop complaining, recognize that the LG will probably not enable wifi officially, and everyone that wants to should start to work on a patch or something to enable wifi! Look at the Gear 2 android wear port, I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong) that the Gear 2 has unsupported internals for android wear. They got it working! What do you think?

Skye Green said:
Honestly, besides the wifi setback the G Watch R is a solid device!
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Except the flicker screen with probable defect on screen brightness hardware, never explained by LG
Except the always crash of Wear when a LG Watch (same for my G-Watch and my R-Watch) go outside BT range or become in range.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3dhZYESs_5bXzY3bkNiX3ZBWDA&authuser=0
it seem not happen on other watch than the watch from LG....
Except LG release new software on store but not for his older product like GWR
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...d-rage-because-its-only-for-the-watch-urbane/

dersie said:
Except the flicker screen with probable defect on screen brightness hardware, never explained by LG
Except the always crash of Wear when a LG Watch (same for my G-Watch and my R-Watch) go outside BT range or become in range.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3dhZYESs_5bXzY3bkNiX3ZBWDA&authuser=0
it seem not happen on other watch than the watch from LG....
Except LG release new software on store but not for his older product like GWR
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...d-rage-because-its-only-for-the-watch-urbane/
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Except neither the crash or the flicker happen to my LG G R and mine is not any special version so obviously is not everyone so dont try to make it seem like it is.

shaolin95 said:
Except neither the crash or the flicker happen to my LG G R and mine is not any special version so obviously is not everyone so dont try to make it seem like it is.
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No but many people have this issue. If you want to see if you have luck or not everyone can try to see

dersie said:
No but many people have this issue. If you want to see if you have luck or not everyone can try to see
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But you do know people with issues are a LOT more motivated to post and complain about it than people without issues is about posting how good the watch is working... so its hard to argue how bad the issue really is, dont you agree?

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so its hard to argue how bad the issue really is, dont you agree?
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Yes but also not all people who have this issue post, so if we see a lot of post with issue it mean that is not a minor issue
I only see that when we talk about this problem (FC Wear) other users (with Moto360 for example) say he never had this issue. It seem affect only LG Watch, so ??????

dersie said:
Yes but also not all people who have this issue post, so if we see a lot of post with issue it mean that is not a minor issue
I only see that when we talk about this problem (FC Wear) other users (with Moto360 for example) say he never had this issue. It seem affect only LG Watch, so ??????
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I disagree, if it was a big issue I am sure we would have seen a movement to try getting a recall or a more vocal group which is not happening. Again, my watch is not any special, just a common LG R so why is it mine never has that error??????
I have it go out of range constantly while at work and never an issue.
Guess we will agree to disagree.

shaolin95 said:
Again, my watch is not any special, just a common LG R so why is it mine never has that error??????
I have it go out of range constantly while at work and never an issue.
Guess we will agree to disagree.
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Same, why my G-Watch with my Nexus 4 has this issue ? Why my LG-R with my Samsung S4 has this issue ?
and why this other users have this issue
https://plus.google.com/+KayFash/posts/ZMg7dEGfkAJ
I do not know why ? but there are a problem with the watch by LG, after like I said everyone can try an LG or try another brand.

dersie said:
Same, why my G-Watch with my Nexus 4 has this issue ? Why my LG-R with my Samsung S4 has this issue ?
and why this other users have this issue
https://plus.google.com/+KayFash/posts/ZMg7dEGfkAJ
I do not know why ? but there are a problem with the watch by LG, after like I said everyone can try an LG or try another brand.
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Again, thats a tiny sample of how many watches are around so at the very least neither of us can say for certain how bad the situation is but you are free to think as you like.

I personally would never trust LG again and will make my mission in life to (a) never buy their products again and (b) persuade as many people as i can to do likewise.
I bought the R literally one month before their 'knife in the back' to all their R community.
Regardless of whether this is a good watch or not, what LG has done doesn't affect a percentage of the people with the R but ALL the people with the R.
They cannot have it both ways. Either (a) they lied during their luanch stating it has wifi and the fccid certification or (b) they are lying now stating they cannot enable it. There is simply no other reason i can think of. It has been proved (you can find all the evidence you like with a simple search) that the wifi chip exists and so do the antennae so the only reason i can think of is like i said 'a knife in the back' and i will not allow anyone to do this to me or my friends not as long as i am in command of where, and with whom, i spent my money. LG are not the only ones that make smartwatches or smartphones. You want to hurt them back then don't buy it, simple.

There was a post with a quote from an LG rep which pretty much said that the GWR wouldn't get wifi with the update but it was something that could happen down the line with a software update meaning the tech is there to support wifi but LG won't implement just yet for whatever reason. [Urbane sales].
We'll all know once Android Wear is released.

I love my GWR, but I'm not sure I would pay $250 at this point in the products life cycle. In fact, I only paid $210 back in November during the t-mobile "sale". At this point, I would wait for the Urbane or Moto 360 v2.
I probably wont upgrade until there is a model with: sapphire glass, stainless back, integrated speaker, gps, and better battery life. That said, I think the GWR is a great watch, great looking, and does everything it was advertised to do.

I will would wait for the next generation of android wear from Samsung and Motorola. If you can get the GWR for $200 then its a good deal. If you have have a smart watch for now I would get a Samsung gear live on craigslist for under $100. I had the lg g watch, Samsung gear live, moto 360 n lg GWR and the one I like the most is the GWR. But if I can save $150 I would get the gear live instead.

Anyone else feel a slap in the face this morning?

So as of this morning, Lenovo officially listed the Moto E4 and E4 Plus on their site. Here's the E4 specs:
-Almost the same as G4 Play
-Snapdragon 425 or 427
-NanoSIM
-Added e-compass (which SHOULD have been on the G4 Play, seriously)
-Fingerprint Scanner in select markets
-Nougat out of the box
And all for $20 cheaper than what most of us paid. Anyone else as pissed as I am?

mkollersms said:
So as of this morning, Lenovo officially listed the Moto E4 and E4 Plus on their site. Here's the E4 specs:
-Almost the same as G4 Play
-Snapdragon 425 or 427
-NanoSIM
-Added e-compass (which SHOULD have been on the G4 Play, seriously)
-Fingerprint Scanner in select markets
-Nougat out of the box
And all for $20 cheaper than what most of us paid. Anyone else as pissed as I am?
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Not a all. The G5 series is replacing the G4 although the latter will likely remain available for some time. The E4 has a different demographic/geographic focus but will supposedly be available in Europe and North America, likely positioned as a budget phone.
The evolution you are seeing with the G4->E4 series regularly plays out in the consumer electronics, automotive and other industries. Fingerprint scanners were once exclusive to "flagship" devices; now some varients of the lowly E4 gets one. Amazing!

Davey126 said:
Not a all. The G5 series is replacing the G4 although the latter will likely remain available for some time. The E4 has a different demographic/geographic focus but will supposedly be available in Europe and North America, likely positioned as a budget phone.
The evolution you are seeing with the G4->E4 series regularly plays out in the consumer electronics, automotive and other industries. Fingerprint scanners were once exclusive to "flagship" devices; now some varients of the lowly E4 gets one. Amazing!
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That would be fine and dandy except 1) magnetometers are far from a new technology, 2) lenovo NEVER addressed the GPS faults and I got *****ed out by a rep over it, and 3) the OTA delay which should not have happened (though apparently part of the problem is the Bluetooth issue is affecting a huge amount of devices including the Pixel models themselves).
I did have the Moto E1 back in the day, and the fact it had the capacity to run CM14.0 was damned impressive. Of course, it wasn't without its faults either. A magnetometer should be in every phone and I don't understand why so many devices omit it. There's companies I won't so much as look at *coughSamsungcough* because it's such a powerful tool. You can't say that only flagships have it, since a lot of sub-$150 LG phones did (the Leon/Tribute2/Sunset for example). And I mean, the E1 didn't even have an LED flash. I was lucky to snag a cheap US Cellular model and do a Day-One Unlock.
But I would say I got far more use out of that phone than my G4P. I loved that phone, and this model has been a serious letdown. So it's like, do I want to give this company another $130 and risk being let down again? I personally won't. I plan to get a Sony Xperia L1 and let a family member have this one. It'll still have Lineage, so at least I'll be able to update the damned thing.

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That would be fine and dandy except 1) magnetometers are far from a new technology, 2) lenovo NEVER addressed the GPS faults and I got *****ed out by a rep over it, and 3) the OTA delay which should not have happened (though apparently part of the problem is the Bluetooth issue is affecting a huge amount of devices including the Pixel models themselves).
I did have the Moto E1 back in the day, and the fact it had the capacity to run CM14.0 was damned impressive. Of course, it wasn't without its faults either. A magnetometer should be in every phone and I don't understand why so many devices omit it. There's companies I won't so much as look at *coughSamsungcough* because it's such a powerful tool. You can't say that only flagships have it, since a lot of sub-$150 LG phones did (the Leon/Tribute2/Sunset for example). And I mean, the E1 didn't even have an LED flash. I was lucky to snag a cheap US Cellular model and do a Day-One Unlock.
But I would say I got far more use out of that phone than my G4P. I loved that phone, and this model has been a serious letdown. So it's like, do I want to give this company another $130 and risk being let down again? I personally won't. I plan to get a Sony Xperia L1 and let a family member have this one. It'll still have Lineage, so at least I'll be able to update the damned thing.
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Hum...sounds like the G4P did not meet your expectations. I was fully aware of the GPS issues and sensor limitations (which were widely published) prior to purchase. I don't share your opinions on the base feature set for all phones but do believe proper advance research leads to a happier experience.

Davey126 said:
Hum...sounds like the G4P did not meet your expectations. I was fully aware of the GPS issues and sensor limitations (which were widely published) prior to purchase. I don't share your opinions on the base feature set for all phones but do believe proper advance research leads to a happier experience.
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Please tell me where you got this "advance research," because beyond Amazon user reviews (which I normally take with a grain of salt), I found no press coverage about any faults with this phone. Not even 6 months after its release.
EDIT: Actually, I'm going to double down on this, because Lenovo THEMSELVES insisted there was no coverage of anything being wrong with this phone either.

Not at all. I picked up this Moto 4 Play for 35 dollars on Black Friday which I only use as a "play" phone. It does my social media checkup, remote for my Android TV, eBay selling management, etc.
I have a Moto Z Play as my main phone so not at all do I feel a slap in my face. However, you do need to realize though is that each year parts become cheaper which is the reason why they are able to offer such a package with the Moto E4 this year. If this was last year, expect it to have been more expensive.

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Please tell me where you got this "advance research," because beyond Amazon user reviews (which I normally take with a grain of salt), I found no press coverage about any faults with this phone. Not even 6 months after its release.
EDIT: Actually, I'm going to double down on this, because Lenovo THEMSELVES insisted there was no coverage of anything being wrong with this phone either.
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Lol - of course Lenovo is going to deny there is an issue.
Bottom line: I was aware of the issues prior to purchase (actually bought two); the info was not difficult to find and came from multiple sources. The device meets my lowered expectations especially given the price point. My better half is passively seeking a replacement due to GPS issue. Sorry it didn't work out for you.

How superior is SD425/427 to our SD410?

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How superior is SD425/427 to our SD410?
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http://bfy.tw/CLWb

I tried, and I found nothing, so I asked here. Next time, when you don't know something, don't hide yourself behind sarcasm, it's a waste of such a good rhetorical device.

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I tried, and I found nothing, so I asked here. Next time, when you don't know something, don't hide yourself behind sarcasm, it's a waste of such a good rhetorical device.
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Not a tough find as evidenced by the search query.

Ok, I'm a moron, can you please tell me is sd 425/427 noticeably better than 410 for everyday use?

anonymous2211 said:
Ok, I'm a moron, can you please tell me is sd 425/427 noticeably better than 410 for everyday use?
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I seriously doubt you are a "moron" but do feel you haven't extended much effort to find the answer. Following link references an article 3rd/4th in the search results. Short (spoon feed) answer is 'no'.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ips-bring-high-end-features-to-midrange-socs/

Of course I used Google first, but I really haven't found this, thanks, now I'm feeling a little less stupid for buying g4 play a month ago.

Literally, the first result it brought me to was a side-by-side comparison with graphics, charts and beautiful illustrations detailing differences between the two chip sets.
https://versus.com/en/qualcomm-snapdragon-410-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-425
425 is so close to 410, I wouldn't even call it an upgrade. The only thing not 100% identical is 64-bit processing and a .2ghz nudge in top (factory defined) speed.

mkollersms said:
So as of this morning, Lenovo officially listed the Moto E4 and E4 Plus on their site. Here's the E4 specs:
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And all for $20 cheaper than what most of us paid. Anyone else as pissed as I am?
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Year old model replaced by something better a year later as technology allows. Get used to it. I'm not going to be pissed over something I bought in the past being eclipsed by something released in the future.

I am honestly shocked by some of the replies I'm seeing. For ALL of the complaints I've seen on this forum (faulty GPS, problems with CDMA carriers, lack of OTA support after nearly a year, etc.), seeing you guys blindly justify the successor just... it boggles my mind. I would be more understanding if the price point for the E4 was the same as the G4P ($150). At least that would make sense from a marketing standpoint. But for them to slash the price to below the G4P, as if to imply that they're phasing out the G4P entirely, just screams that they have no intention of supporting it further. I think that's BS.
Yes, the media is claiming that June will have the drop date for 7.1.1. That's still far from definitive, and there's no guarantee Lenovo won't pull the same thing with Android 8.0 down the road. They just aren't that trustworthy. All I'm going to say is if I hadn't rooted mine, I could think of few equal/better phones for the price (Samsung Galaxy J3, ZTE ZMax 2, LG X Style).
Lenovo does not have a solid strategy with the Moto line. Until they admit to that fact, I'm not going to put my trust in them. It's your call whether you choose to do otherwise.

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I am honestly shocked by some of the replies I'm seeing. For ALL of the complaints I've seen on this forum (faulty GPS, problems with CDMA carriers, lack of OTA support after nearly a year, etc.), seeing you guys blindly justify the successor just... it boggles my mind. I would be more understanding if the price point for the E4 was the same as the G4P ($150). At least that would make sense from a marketing standpoint. But for them to slash the price to below the G4P, as if to imply that they're phasing out the G4P entirely, just screams that they have no intention of supporting it further. I think that's BS.
Yes, the media is claiming that June will have the drop date for 7.1.1. That's still far from definitive, and there's no guarantee Lenovo won't pull the same thing with Android 8.0 down the road. They just aren't that trustworthy. All I'm going to say is if I hadn't rooted mine, I could think of few equal/better phones for the price (Samsung Galaxy J3, ZTE ZMax 2, LG X Style).
Lenovo does not have a solid strategy with the Moto line. Until they admit to that fact, I'm not going to put my trust in them. It's your call whether you choose to do otherwise.
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Not certain I follow this post. I purchased the G4P for three reasons: form factor (size), modest price point and ability to easily unlock the bootloader. OTA to stock Android 7.x (if it happens) is nice but not an entitlement on a budget handset. Zero expectation of going to Android 8. I have no problem with a nearly identical variant being rebranded and sold at a lower price as newer models are introduced. Common practice w/consumer electronics (consider your television, personal computer, etc). Trust? LOL!!
So what would you have Leveno do?

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I am honestly shocked by some of the replies I'm seeing. For ALL of the complaints I've seen on this forum (faulty GPS, problems with CDMA carriers, lack of OTA support after nearly a year, etc.), seeing you guys blindly justify the successor just... it boggles my mind. I would be more understanding if the price point for the E4 was the same as the G4P ($150). At least that would make sense from a marketing standpoint. But for them to slash the price to below the G4P, as if to imply that they're phasing out the G4P entirely, just screams that they have no intention of supporting it further. I think that's BS.
Yes, the media is claiming that June will have the drop date for 7.1.1. That's still far from definitive, and there's no guarantee Lenovo won't pull the same thing with Android 8.0 down the road. They just aren't that trustworthy. All I'm going to say is if I hadn't rooted mine, I could think of few equal/better phones for the price (Samsung Galaxy J3, ZTE ZMax 2, LG X Style).
Lenovo does not have a solid strategy with the Moto line. Until they admit to that fact, I'm not going to put my trust in them. It's your call whether you choose to do otherwise.
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That last paragraph I agree with you on. But everything else sounds like too much assumption and too little research. Although I didn't see the G4 play listed on Lenovo's support page, I see no reason why they wouldn't continue to support a device released in 2016.
I am very disappointed in their strategy with phones. I bought the G5 Plus because of its fantastic specs for $260 (price matched @ BB with Amazon). I wish they introduced a G5 play, but considering the strange (re)introduction of numerous Moto lines (E, X, and introduction of C) I can see why. But they're really confused. I really wish Google kept Motorola.. we'd have 7.1 already and 8.0 ASAP. A real shame that a great American brand got bought up by some Chinese PC manufacturers that should've refrained​ from entering the mobile arena on the first place.

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I tried, and I found nothing, so I asked here. Next time, when you don't know something, don't hide yourself behind sarcasm, it's a waste of such a good rhetorical device.
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Sd410 gives you around 28000 on antutu and sd425 around 35000.

The New Red Magic 5G is coming ...

Who will trust this brand again? Not me!
That's all they want ... releases and forget about old releases and your customers ... no updates or bug fixes
Black Shark 3 or RoG Phone 3 They are more beautiful and have updates with corrections!
Don't trust this brand!!!

ZivasJR said:
Who will trust this brand again? Not me!
That's all they want ... releases and forget about old releases and your customers ... no updates or bug fixes
Black Shark 3 or RoG Phone 3 They are more beautiful and have updates with corrections!
Don't trust this brand!!!
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Black shark 3 is nice.
And there's a few other gaming phones coming this year.

nubia the worst phones, never again

Same here will never touch this brand again, still remember the day I went to the website to see if there were any upcoming update news only to be greeted by the RM3S I knew then I'd get no more updates.
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I mean you can't be mad about not getting updates. It's a sub $500 phone. You get what you pay for. If you want updates you get a pixel and Nubia's track record on support and update is has been established as pretty much non existent.
I'm sure they would do some actual updates is they started selling these at that $600 price point. But then people would cry about how it's so expensive. Software development cost money. Nothing is free. Sucks they have the industrys worse software support but it's a sub $500 phone. You get what you pay for.

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I mean you can't be mad about not getting updates. It's a sub $500 phone. You get what you pay for. If you want updates you get a pixel and Nubia's track record on support and update is has been established as pretty much non existent.
I'm sure they would do some actual updates is they started selling these at that $600 price point. But then people would cry about how it's so expensive. Software development cost money. Nothing is free. Sucks they have the industrys worse software support but it's a sub $500 phone. You get what you pay for.
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I more bothered the device isn't fit for purpose in some areas having to tweak a phone just to be able to have the names show up when getting a phone call amongst the main things I've had £250 phones that get the basics right.
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My new Phone is Black Shark 3 Pro or ROG Phone 3

ZivasJR said:
Who will trust this brand again? Not me!
That's all they want ... releases and forget about old releases and your customers ... no updates or bug fixes
Black Shark 3 or RoG Phone 3 They are more beautiful and have updates with corrections!
Don't trust this brand!!!
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Honestly, Nubia could have done better... After so much analysis, I went with RM3S knowing that there will be no updates...
No regrets with RM3S... It does what it is meant to be brought... If updates or features are provided, would be happy...
In built fan works like a charm which no other phone has it... I play CODM on high screen resolution and very high frame rate for couple of hours straight and had no issues... Dont know if other phones can do that... Personally I like ROG3...
If you want a daily driver, definitely RM3S is not the right phone... I agree for that... But for gaming, RM3S performs upto the mark..
Aru

B01070 said:
Honestly, Nubia could have done better... After so much analysis, I went with RM3S knowing that there will be no updates...
No regrets with RM3S... It does what it is meant to be brought... If updates or features are provided, would be happy...
In built fan works like a charm which no other phone has it... I play CODM on high screen resolution and very high frame rate for couple of hours straight and had no issues... Dont know if other phones can do that... Personally I like ROG3...
If you want a daily driver, definitely RM3S is not the right phone... I agree for that... But for gaming, RM3S performs upto the mark..
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Works like a charm? You might wanna do some actual testing. And use something that measures the actual soc's temps not some random temp. The RM3S shows 40c but the actual soc is at over 71c. Still running cool in terms of phones but it's very far off and the fan only does a 1c drop at full load. Honestly more then I thought it would since fans require heatsinks to remove heat.

bignazpwns said:
I mean you can't be mad about not getting updates. It's a sub $500 phone.Software development cost money. Nothing is free. Sucks they have the industrys worse software support but it's a sub $500 phone. You get what you pay for.
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But what about Xiaomi,Realme and ViVo then ?
Nubia has opted for a bad business model,they should better focus on creating a loyal userbase,instead of releasing one device after another without aftermarket support.
OnePlus would've never been such a big player in the smartphone league if they acted the same as Nubia......

I agree!
roadworker said:
But what about Xiaomi,Realme and ViVo then ?
Nubia has opted for a bad business model,they should better focus on creating a loyal userbase,instead of releasing one device after another without aftermarket support.
OnePlus would've never been such a big player in the smartphone league if they acted the same as Nubia......
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Good words!

You get more value with them. I never said Nubia was a good value. Just you have to go in knowing you won't get updates. Just like when I buy a Samsung phone I know I'll be atleast 9 months behind before I get an Android upgrade. Samsung has gotten better but I still go in knowing updates and slow down again. If I want fast updates I go with a Pixel. But Samsung beat Google on a security patch but still. I buy a Nubia phone I'm buying it as is. If it gets an update great. If not it's a sub $500 phone you get what tyou pay for. $500 is not a lot.

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Works like a charm? You might wanna do some actual testing. And use something that measures the actual soc's temps not some random temp. The RM3S shows 40c but the actual soc is at over 71c. Still running cool in terms of phones but it's very far off and the fan only does a 1c drop at full load. Honestly more then I thought it would since fans require heatsinks to remove heat.
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Bro... not sure what is the issue with your device... I play straight couple of hours of CODM with High Graphics and Very High Frame Rate and I still get the same performance as I got at the first minute... to me, it works like a charm... It does serve my purpose of a gaming phone... I am not a fan-boy btw, I still regret my decision against ROG 2 (it was available only via flash sales in my region)... Still I need to give the due share it owes..
Cheers!
Aru

If it gets an update great. If not it's a sub $500 phone you get what you pay for. $500 is not a lot.
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Good for you that you're amongst those people who can say that $500 is not a lot of money....
But my point is that some other brands can offer the same hardware specs with much better software support @ the same price point.
So it's not a case of getting what we paid for,but we paid for the wrong brand...
Sure,software developement costs money,but how hard can it be to extend software support for an almost vanilla Android version ?Or keeping security patches up to date ?
And if you don't wanna go that route as manufacturer,let the community do it by making it much easier to install custom ROM's,instead of blocking that option.
It will only benefit your company,as your brand will get more popular....

roadworker said:
Good for you that you're amongst those people who can say that $500 is not a lot of money....
But my point is that some other brands can offer the same hardware specs with much better software support @ the same price point.
So it's not a case of getting what we paid for,but we paid for the wrong brand...
Sure,software developement costs money,but how hard can it be to extend software support for an almost vanilla Android version ?Or keeping security patches up to date ?
And if you don't wanna go that route as manufacturer,let the community do it by making it much easier to install custom ROM's,instead of blocking that option.
It will only benefit your company,as your brand will get more popular....
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$500-$600 is the price every survey shows people will pay for a phone. It's not a lot.
You have trade offs you can't get it all unless you pay for it. You want better hardware you sacrifice quality and support. Want better quality and support you sacrifice hardware specs. Want both you have to pay to play. The most popular devices are well over $1,000 and these devices in the US outsell the sub $500 devices by a large number.

You want better hardware you sacrifice quality and support. Want better quality and support you sacrifice hardware specs. Want both you have to pay to play.
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OK,it seems that you refuse to accept that some types of the 3 brands I posted earlier provide better software support than Nubia,while having about the same hardware specs.......I'm NOT comparing +$1000 devices against Nubia's stuff,so I have no idea why you keep insisting on those kind of statements.
Or perhaps my previous posts were not clear enough.......

roadworker said:
OK,it seems that you refuse to accept that some types of the 3 brands I posted earlier provide better software support than Nubia,while having about the same hardware specs.......I'm NOT comparing +$1000 devices against Nubia's stuff,so I have no idea why you keep insisting on those kind of statements.
Or perhaps my previous posts were not clear enough.......
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loud and clear to me and I fully agree, we never thought we were getting a 1000 phone for 500 we brought it thinking it would be on par with 500 phones that weren't released yet and now for me at least once again have learnt I should of waited although I do have plenty of content planned for my blog and what not I mean they haven't even delt with issues that a basic phone gets right
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I'm really tempted to get the red magic 5g.. the specs on paper are perfect and everything I want in a phone. It looks nice too. However reading this thread is making me wonder if I should just get a black shark 3 or realme x50 pro instead.. is Nubia/red magic that bad?

lemon07r said:
I'm really tempted to get the red magic 5g.. the specs on paper are perfect and everything I want in a phone. It looks nice too. However reading this thread is making me wonder if I should just get a black shark 3 or realme x50 pro instead.. is Nubia/red magic that bad?
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that's where they got my looks good on paper everything I want in a phone but reality isn't as good for these phones I held off and brought the camo version with the larger storage amongst a few other things and they seem to release phones instead of updates for there current line up software/rom updates I sort of figured would be lacking but security patches have been neglected since the release of the RM3S so I'd steer clear and go with literally anything else your considering choose red magic and you'll be disappointed
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that's where they got my looks good on paper everything I want in a phone but reality isn't as good for these phones I held off and brought the camo version with the larger storage amongst a few other things and they seem to release phones instead of updates for there current line up software/rom updates I sort of figured would be lacking but security patches have been neglected since the release of the RM3S so I'd steer clear and go with literally anything else your considering choose red magic and you'll be disappointed
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Is it really that bad?
I considered the black shark 3, but it's pretty much inferior in almost every way, at least on paper. Only 90hz, it's thicker, the battery is bigger but it's dual cell, single cell is better, looks ugly in comparison, only 30w charging and lpddr4x or whatever it's called for base model unless you pay a premium etc.
The other phone I was considering is the realme x50 pro.. almost perfect for me, EXCEPT the dual camera punch hole in the screen.. way too big. If it was just a small single punch hole it would have been perfect. Or if it had a pop up selfie camera instead. Not 120hz but I could live with 90hz if everything else was good. It's a good looking phone and has a flat screen at least. Good screen to body ratio, but battery is a bit smaller (should be fine since it has a smaller screen too).
The black shark 3 pro got delayed till the 27th. I can live with that I guess but it's still kinda ugly looking imo. A little expensive too but I can also live with that. Nice physical triggers. Only 90hz but it's 1440p and comes with a memc chip and 270hz touch sampling so I can live with that. I'm worried about how big this phone is though.
The red magic 5g checks all my boxes unless it has poor software and reliability like everyone has said about their previous phones. 144hz, and way better looking than the black shark phones. A little slimmer than the black shark 3. The IC frame compensation thing looked cool.