So I feel like I've been doing my research, and reading plenty on the XDA forums (awesome resource BTW). But as usual I think my question hasn't been answered specifically. So here goes:
I've been using an Australian Moto X (2014 - XT1092 - ret.eu.all) for a while now, and I'd like to return to bone stock, vanilla android land as I was when I was running Nexus devices. The added Motorola stuff is ok - fancy lockscreen, camera, Moto Voice - but plain old everyday Android works better for me.
So I read the bulk of this thread and I understand Benjamin's advice, but before I pull the trigger I want to be certain. It seems like most people are doing this mod to get Lollipop. And to be honest, I'm not worried about using Lollipop or KitKat - I just want the various Motorola 'features' gone.
So - Will Ben's advice give me plain old vanilla android the way Google intended it? Thanks everyone! :fingers-crossed:
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XT1092
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I totally get the idea of getting rid of things you don't like, but you know ALL Motorola features can be turned off, right?
imaginaryenemy said:
I totally get the idea of getting rid of things you don't like, but you know ALL Motorola features can be turned off, right?
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Incorrect.
The phone works differently than my Vanilla Android device, I know, because somedays I switch back to my (painfully slow) Nexus 4. The Motorola'ness is ingrained throughout, even changing simple things such as the Navigation Prompts in Google Maps (Moto X: "Turn left in 300 meters". Nexus 4: "Turn Left in 300 meters onto Charles Avenue".) Google now seems much less useful on my Moto X, it doesn't seem to be gleaning as much information from my habits as my Nexus was. There are lots of little things that just make the phone seem less functional than the stock Android is.
Someone prove me wrong, and save me the hassle of flashing! :good:
BKozan said:
Incorrect.
The phone works differently than my Vanilla Android device, I know, because somedays I switch back to my (painfully slow) Nexus 4. The Motorola'ness is ingrained throughout, even changing simple things such as the Navigation Prompts in Google Maps (Moto X: "Turn left in 300 meters". Nexus 4: "Turn Left in 300 meters onto Charles Avenue".) Google now seems much less useful on my Moto X, it doesn't seem to be gleaning as much information from my habits as my Nexus was. There are lots of little things that just make the phone seem less functional than the stock Android is.
Someone prove me wrong, and save me the hassle of flashing! :good:
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If you want none of moto's features, you jsut have to disable them, everything is exactly the same for me, google now, maps act the same as my nexus 5 ! The only difference I found was not having the google dialer, but you can flash it to have it working.
If you really want to get rid of all moto features, you can always flash custom Roms like CM.
But I really don't get the point of buying a moto if you don't want any moto features.
BKozan said:
Incorrect.
The phone works differently than my Vanilla Android device, I know, because somedays I switch back to my (painfully slow) Nexus 4. The Motorola'ness is ingrained throughout, even changing simple things such as the Navigation Prompts in Google Maps (Moto X: "Turn left in 300 meters". Nexus 4: "Turn Left in 300 meters onto Charles Avenue".) Google now seems much less useful on my Moto X, it doesn't seem to be gleaning as much information from my habits as my Nexus was. There are lots of little things that just make the phone seem less functional than the stock Android is.
Someone prove me wrong, and save me the hassle of flashing! :good:
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I don't have any of those issues, and I'm not sure how the Moto apps could cause them.
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What does everyone think? 4" may be the sweet spot between big screen size and too big. I don't know how I feel about even less physical buttons though as I already think it is the stupidest thing ever to not have dedicated send/end, but that is just me.
Not while they've skinned Android and replaced some Google integration with Yahoo integration.
No led flash? Are you f*cking kidding me?
I like the S-AMOLED and the proper multi-touch screen. However, having used the N1, I feel that it's just about as large a smartphone as I'd like to have in my pocket.
Not having to jump through as many hoops to get it customized, rooted, unlocked, etc. is also a nice thing about being on the N1.
Why would I want that when I have an N1?
Nexus 2
T-Mobile Vision http://phandroid.com/2010/06/25/dual-core-4-3-inch-htc-vision-headed-for-t-mo-this-year/
I've had a G1, and a N1, I'll wait until the next "Google" phone's out to upgrade, I think
If it gets rooted and with a stock rom i'm going for it. Samsung makes great hardware. The software sucks big time.
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Samsung makes great hardware. The software sucks big time.
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+10. Updates will be non existent, samsung expects you to buy a new phone if you want to update, screw that. I'll stay with nexus one.
Ex galaxy owner here, experienced samsung support (or lack thereof) first hand, never again
Rellikzephyr
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If a good cooker like cyanogen is going to make roms for Galaxy S then why not.
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T-Mobile Vision http://phandroid.com/2010/06/25/dual-core-4-3-inch-htc-vision-headed-for-t-mo-this-year/
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Yeah I'm with you I'll wait for the new Nexus One every phone on T-Mobile that's made by HTC and only has stock Android is the phone Google uses for the next year. Thanks to Froyo the Nexus One has been the best Android phone until at least August when the Droid X gets 2.2 and gets a speed boost. Also you know that the Galaxy S will not get to use the free tethering that people with the Nexus enjoy. So to the original question NOPE
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If it is rooted why couldn't you use wireless tether? Wow I did not think everyone would be so against it. Its already rooted though I thought.
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Wow I did not think everyone would be so against it.
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If I upgrade phones from my Nexus One its going to be for these features:
- Vanilla android
- 4.3' screen
- Can use the same $50/mo even more plus T-mobile voice + data
I'm more than happy to play the waiting game with my Nexus One until this phone comes out...
If the guys at Samsung weren't so cheap to cut corners and actually included an led flash I might have considered the GalaxyS... but I can't support such obvious penny pinching cost cutting by Samsung
I love its GPU power and the Super-AMOLED, but for me to go from the N1 I need :
dualcore
>WVGA
stock android
[email protected]
I don't expect that for another 6 months or so, so I'll be keeping my Nexus One until then
The Galaxy S is also plasticky and ugly
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Android 4.4 KitKat has been officially announced and as usual, the latest version of the Android OS debuts alongside the a new Nexus, the Nexus 5. So, what's new? Well, the 4.4 KitKat aims to reach the next 1 billion users and it will scale automatically to fit on the devices with as little as 512 MB of RAM.
The design of the OS has been polished and it looks better than ever. Android 4.4 brings a new phone app, which now helps you search across your contacts, nearby places or even through any other Google app accounts, right from your dialler app.
Google's new Hangout app comes out of the box on Android 4.4. It puts all your SMS and MMS under one roof along with other conversations and video calls so that you don't miss messages regard;ess of how they are sent.
The lock screen now has a camera shortcut and there is an option to rearrange the home screens to match your requirements. All devices without hardware keys now get extra room as the navigation interface disappears as soon as an app is launched.
As one can expect, the newest Android version brings a whole lot of new features for Google's search platform. You can now activate search with keywords and the speech recognition engine is about 25 percent more accurate than before, according to Google.
You can use the hotwords to launch voice search with the Google Now, send a text, get directions or even play a song. The upcoming version of the Google Now will bring new card types that keep you updated with contextual topics of interest to you.
Android 4.4's new framework allows you to AirPrint (a feature similar to wireless printing), which is however limited to HP printers only for now. The OS now supports third-party cloud storage in the Gallery app
Google aims to make Android accessible to everyone, even people with low-end hardware. In the past, due to the memory constraints, some lower-end smartphones couldn't get a taste of the newer Android versions, but with KitKat that's about to change. Android 4.4 KitKat removes unnecessary background services and reduces the memory consumption to a large extent, which now allows the OS to run smoothly even on devices with 512MB RAM. Ironically, the Galaxy Nexus with 1GB RAM will not get KitKat.
Google has also managed to enhance the battery performance through its sensor batching, which reduces the data requests. Lastly, Android 4.4 comes with under the hood tweaks and changes to enhance the overall performance of the OS.
Android 4.4 KitKat will be powering the newly launched Google Nexus 5 out of the box, while the roll out for the other Nexus devices will begin in the coming days.
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It will be interesting to see if I get the update for my N4 or N7 before my N5 gets here.
OH NO! I have become a Nexus fanboy:silly:
DXM31 said:
It will be interesting to see if I get the update for my N4 or N7 before my N5 gets here.
OH NO! I have become a Nexus fanboy:silly:
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Hey! Nothing wrong with fanboyism on a nexus lol
My.DiRtY.UNiC0Rn.
I think we are all fanboys here
woof for yourself. I am a fandog.
wow the gnex isn't getting 4.4? i'd be mad as hell
1, 2, 3 aaaaaaand closed
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Ordered a black 16GB N5, unsure of whether I'm going to keep my N4 as a backup or sell it. The N4 will probably see a system dump and ROM from N5 4.4 before we get the OTA lol
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1, 2, 3 aaaaaaand closed
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wise is this one
Thread closed use the existing discussion thread for further discussions, PLEASE
I got a few app updates recently (including the 100GB one drive offer) but I also lost options for Google now that were there before. I can only say "ok Google" from the Google app now.
Image attached. Anyone else have this?
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Yep I can also confirm an update removed the Ok Google commands. I was previously able to use the hot word from my lockscreen and now it only works within the Google search app. Pretty ****ing disappointing, I truly miss the Ok Google commands of the Nexus 6.
I still have them on my AT&T GS6. All up to date so far and everything working fine.
Just bought one of these to compliment my Nexus.
Definitely missing and definitely disappointing.
This is really weird...I guess I'll keep monitoring the app updates. Super strange.
Same here, few threads on reddit as well with others having the same issue.... hopefully it comes back soon coming from my N5 I really got into the habbit of using the voice to text search.
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Me too. I'm really mad
Same here. Total BS. I was thinking it was something I had screwed up until I saw this thread. Very frustrating.
If I am correct it's a bug with the 64 bit version of Google play services and should be fixed soon.
Wiseor said:
If I am correct it's a bug with the 64 bit version of Google play services and should be fixed soon.
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I have the newest 64 bit version installed and I linked to it in a thread in general. It's from the N9 and is not what is on your phone now. Still not there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3086279
Ok Google missing
Lots of us over on the androidforums.com galaxy s6 have been working on this.
We have called google support....and they are aware of the problem.
Great feature and sure miss it! Bring it back!
Good to hear
Hightecho said:
Lots of us over on the androidforums.com galaxy s6 have been working on this.
We have called google support....and they are aware of the problem.
Great feature and sure miss it! Bring it back!
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I can all but guarantee it was a server side tweak and was done on purpose. Why?
My theory? Microsoft and Cyanogen got into bed together to replace core Google apps on upcoming phones. This phone comes with a OneDrive promotion. This is them fighting back.
Nutty and conspiracy theory ridden, but it crossed my mind ?
SilkyJohnson said:
I can all but guarantee it was a server side tweak and was done on purpose. Why?
My theory? Microsoft and Cyanogen got into bed together to replace core Google apps on upcoming phones. This phone comes with a OneDrive promotion. This is them fighting back.
Nutty and conspiracy theory ridden, but it crossed my mind ?
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My first blame went to Samsung. Thought, "Oh here goes Sammy trying to make us use the crappy S Voice that NEVER wakes on command."
Has anyone else notices Google Voice Typing sucks now, too? It never starts listening when I start it up. I have to tap it a few times to get it to work.
Mine works ok still but I'm dying without ok Google being able to be used all over the phone.
4redstars said:
Mine works ok still but I'm dying without ok Google being able to be used all over the phone.
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natefish said:
Has anyone else notices Google Voice Typing sucks now, too? It never starts listening when I start it up. I have to tap it a few times to get it to work.
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Voice-to-text is fine again for me. Just had to clear cache for Play Services.
Works with Google Now Launcher
I too noticed the voice activation loss then went to GNL and it's working again.
So now not sure it ever worked or I only noticed when I used GNL prior. In any case gonna keep it on the phone as the feature is very useful to me.
I'm using Nova Launcher and it has a feature to use it unfortunately can't use it when phone is locked.
It seems a bunch of Tasker commands are not working in Lollipop and I really need to get them working on a Nexus 6. It's a phone for a blind person and I need to be able do things like allow them to touch the screen anywhere to answer, wave their hand over the phone to answer, answer by voice command, etc... but that seems impossible on 5.0+
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It seems a bunch of Tasker commands are not working in Lollipop and I really need to get them working on a Nexus 6. It's a phone for a blind person and I need to be able do things like allow them to touch the screen anywhere to answer, wave their hand over the phone to answer, answer by voice command, etc... but that seems impossible on 5.0+
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nexus 6 was released with lollipop. so, officially, no. i know for a fact that the nexus 6 was tested with kitkat, but those builds havent gotten out(code i mean).
Dang. Not good news. Is the only other phone that can use "Ok Google" with screen turned off and the phone not charging the Moto X?
I'm sure there are pre-5.0 roms for the Moto X so I might have to get rid of the Nexus and go that route. I hope the Verizon version isn't all locked down like most VZW phones.
LaTropa64 said:
Dang. Not good news. Is the only other phone that can use "Ok Google" with screen turned off and the phone not charging the Moto X?
I'm sure there are pre-5.0 roms for the Moto X so I might have to get rid of the Nexus and go that route. I hope the Verizon version isn't all locked down like most VZW phones.
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Droid Turbo (verizon) or Moto Maxx (south america) are 4.4 devices, essentially the same as Nexus 6, just 0.8 inches smaller.
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Droid Turbo (verizon) or Moto Maxx (south america) are 4.4 devices, essentially the same as Nexus 6, just 0.8 inches smaller.
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With an entirely different board, kernel and drivers. It is not going to be as simple as flashing a rom from them if the idea comes to mind.
LaTropa64 said:
Dang. Not good news. Is the only other phone that can use "Ok Google" with screen turned off and the phone not charging the Moto X?
I'm sure there are pre-5.0 roms for the Moto X so I might have to get rid of the Nexus and go that route. I hope the Verizon version isn't all locked down like most VZW phones.
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It is.
All Verizon phones are very much locked down sans for the N6 or the occasional dev edition device.
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With an entirely different board, kernel and drivers. It is not going to be as simple as flashing a rom from them if the idea comes to mind.
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Flashing stuff for Nexus 6 won't do any good if the intention is to stick with 4.4.
Also, just because the board is physically a different shape does not mean that it is *WIRED* particularly differently. It is mostly EXACTLY the same.
Hey guys frozt here just thought I would drop an idea by you guys that love the note 4 but hate touchwiz.
So I was thinking in theory it would be possible to when detaching the spen to open the "Pie" control since when you do it on stock the spent quucksettings popup, and pie is way more customizable and user friendly
So my whole point is do you think that this would be useful?
P.S. I went to my nexus 6 I need a Turing point as to why I should come back to the note 4
Stereo speakers and 6in screens a big deal for me. Any thoughts?
so listen to this
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Hey guys frozt here just thought I would drop an idea by you guys that love the note 4 but hate touchwiz.
So I was thinking in theory it would be possible to when detaching the spen to open the "Pie" control since when you do it on stock the spent quucksettings popup, and pie is way more customizable and user friendly
So my whole point is do you think that this would be useful?
P.S. I went to my nexus 6 I need a Turing point as to why I should come back to the note 4
Stereo speakers and 6in screens a big deal for me. Any thoughts?
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there are many pie apps available in google play store. download any of them.
now go and search in same play store with keywords "note", "spen", "detach" and you ll get 2 or 3 apps which allows to launch an app on detach on aosp as well. chose wisely. hurray you got it.
nexus 6 with stock vs note 4 for tw.
---> tw has many options compared to stock android and nothing beats shealth, air command (spencommand for replacement), writing buddy, one hand, toolbox, upsm, camera, snote, finger lock, multi window, lock screen effects, accessibility settings, private mode, s finder, pop up call ................. phewwwwwww and many more.
hope you got your answer. :silly:
if stereo speakers is all u need then i cant do anything for you but screen is almost same only 0.3in difference so it should not matter.
I ran CM11/12 AOSP nightlies on my Note 2 right up till now. I replaced it with a Note 4 and you know what, Samsung knows best when it comes to the S-Pen and has integrated it well. I'm probably not going to flash any custom roms this time.
ravijani said:
there are many pie apps available in google play store. download any of them.
now go and search in same play store with keywords "note", "spen", "detach" and you ll get 2 or 3 apps which allows to launch an app on detach on aosp as well. chose wisely. hurray you got it.
nexus 6 with stock vs note 4 for tw.
---> tw has many options compared to stock android and nothing beats shealth, air command (spencommand for replacement), writing buddy, one hand, toolbox, upsm, camera, snote, finger lock, multi window, lock screen effects, accessibility settings, private mode, s finder, pop up call ................. phewwwwwww and many more.
hope you got your answer. :silly:
if stereo speakers is all u need then i cant do anything for you but screen is almost same only 0.3in difference so it should not matter.
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I love my nexus 6, its got everything I'm a visual guy and the look makes it sexy. I build widget in Zooper and it just adds to it, but Samsung has more of what I will need as I'm headed towards my pH.D.
As for the apps I understand that but what I was getting at is detaching opens pie with those feats from stock. Idk just and idea I thought no one had explored. So my nexus is posted and I'm gonna trade it!
Also I'm a T-Mobile user would the snapdragon be better or exynos?
Zooper Clocks coming to Samsung!
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Frozt said:
I love my nexus 6, its got everything I'm a visual guy and the look makes it sexy. I build widget in Zooper and it just adds to it, but Samsung has more of what I will need as I'm headed towards my pH.D.
As for the apps I understand that but what I was getting at is detaching opens pie with those feats from stock. Idk just and idea I thought no one had explored. So my nexus is posted and I'm gonna trade it!
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snapdragon for better custom roms support as exynos will always suffer with lack of devs working on it.
and note is worth every penny. its not for guys who loves big and beautiful its also worthy for day to day work for any individual as well.