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I might be speaking out of an uninformed thought here, but I'm concerned about our root status.
With the bounty being as high as it is, and me not being able to find anywhere that the Devs are collaborating, what are the odds it is taking so long (or even might NOT happen) because there is no developer collaboration for the insanely high bounty? I could be wrong, but I'm starting to wonder if that's the right way to go about it.
Then there's the concern that if we do achieve root, it'll be so late in the game that no one will be developing for our S5 at that point and will have moved on to another device.
Thoughts?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we NEED the bootloader unlocked in order to achieve root it just makes it a hell of a lot easier. I believe the Note 3 on certain carriers still has the bootloader locked but someone was able to find a vulnerability and used that to get root. But I do share your concern as many carriers are offering upgrades after a year and most developers and obviously users get new devices with their upgrade.
Correct, we don't need an unlock bootloader to have root, but, Kitkat update has patch all the vulnerabilities that were use in previous devices like the S4 and Note 3, currently all Note3 shipped with KitKat are stock with no root because of that. I personally think that root will not be achieved on the S5 (Verizon and AT&T), the Note 3 has been on the market way longer than the S5 and the bootloader still locked and root is thing of the past if the Device was shipped with KK from factory.
Besides most of the Devs are researchers and get better recognition/$$$ by giving the exploits to manufactures instead of making it public. Other Devs just like to make it for Fun, but with the locked bootloader there is not much fun but a lot of work instead, and since no everybody that pledges actually pays is not worth it for them to actually work on getting root for a device you can get unlocked on other networks (ex. T-Mo). If all S5 were to be shipped with a locked bootloader, you would had root by now.
Colerunn said:
I might be speaking out of an uninformed thought here, but I'm concerned about our root status.
With the bounty being as high as it is, and me not being able to find anywhere that the Devs are collaborating, what are the odds it is taking so long (or even might NOT happen) because there is no developer collaboration for the insanely high bounty? I could be wrong, but I'm starting to wonder if that's the right way to go about it.
Then there's the concern that if we do achieve root, it'll be so late in the game that no one will be developing for our S5 at that point and will have moved on to another device.
Thoughts?
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These are legitimate concerns that should have you reevaluating your next purchase based on carrier and manufacturer. The goal is to make AT&T and Verizon phones secure enough for the military and business accounts. That is where the big bucks lie for those carriers. Sprint and T-mobile are more geared towards the average pedestrian with their lower price plans and limited coverage, therefore do not worry about locked bootloaders and super secure phones. Other manufacturers such as HTC provide unlock to those seeking it and root has been very easy.
As for developer discussions regarding root...you have seen what the bounty threads turn into...with all that bickering and name calling it is not conducive to a development environment, so those people actually hampered progress. I am sure discussions are going on in private in some IRC channel without the needless interruptions and constant requests for ETA and "Are we there yet." And as mentioned there is a lot more $$$ in the private sectors rather than claim a half bounty and have a free root available.
I'm really regretting my purchase of the S5 without having root, and to hear that it may never come is really concerning.
Welp, sounds like it's time for me to bite the bullet then. I'm thinking I'll post my phone to Craigslist as looking to sell or trade for a T-mobile version. Worse-comes-to-worst, I'll ebay the phone for what I can get, and pay out of pocket the difference for a new one.
Raises a new question: international version or just a different U.S. carrier's?
The carriers are getting work and ideas from us, then adding those features to the phones. Then locking them up (Bootloaders, No Root) because - Like Kenny says, they want to be more secure for corporations. Some people use root for bad things like (Not paying for apps and Xposed modules blocking ads, and other things that they don't want us doing) I use root for LONG LASTING BATTERY LIFE and getting rid of bloatware apps running in the background I dont even use. Yes, it sucks we can't do the things we use to but, they have made it so we can Turn Off apps, Long Lasting battery with the Ultra Power Save feature, etc......(Things we did with root are now coming on the phone >Stole those ideas from us<
EDIT: LETS GO KINGO, YOU CAN DO IT !!!!!! Maybe soon Kingo can produce a root option. That would be awesome. I'm not leaving At&t, been there for 18 years. Great coverage and customer service has been awesome to me !!!
Don't need root for getting apps for free. Ever heard of Aptoide?
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LoopingCreeper said:
Don't need root for getting apps for free. Ever heard of Aptoide?
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Well, you know what I mean. They don't want us to have Root Access. You can do a lot of things with root man.
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Well, you know what I mean. They don't want us to have Root Access. You can do a lot of things with root man.
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I know what your mean. Freedom can be used to get in app purchaces for free. That is kinda getting apps for free and it requires root.
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For me, ans more of a power user, the Root abilities were to get a smooother better battery life custom solution. I used Adaway and some apps for better performance. Other than that, root didnt mean much to me. I do miss the rebel aspect of it and that alone rather makes me wish I had bought the HTC M8 instead of the S5 last week.
Best of luck to the Devs that find us a root or AT&T to provide unlocking.
I'm with you guys. I'm just out to up my battery life, remove ads (admittedly. Can you blame me?), and have a few hardware changes, like reassigning buttons, switching music with my volume keys and such.
Biggest want? Titanium backup. I relied on that app more than I'd like to admit, as well as TWRP or ClockWork (depending on the phone/ROM I was using at the time).
It's just nice to be free with something I bought full price, SO I COULD HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DO WHAT I WANTED WITH IT.
Either way, We'll see what happens. All I want is root permissions.
Here's a curious thought, though. The AT&T S4 isn't rooted, but they have a workaround (loki mod). Anyone know if something like that is in the works for us?
I agree. Hopefully we will get an Root option (Maybe Kingo will come through again like with the Note 3) but their saying nobody has a root option for 4.4 on At&t phones. Don't see much talk about almost getting there as well. Chainfire was also saying that new Android firmware is about to start breaking root apps. 4.4.3 and on could be the start to the end of custom roms and root for Samsung devices (At&t). I too thought about going with an HTC device, I just love the S5's camera. I don't know what to think about these new phones man. It was so much fun installing and customizing our phones how we wanted to. Its sad and depressing watching these loved things go away. I'm not on my phone as much anymore.
I'm personally getting ready to purchase another device, I love my GS5 even tho it isn't rooted but I'm just not liking the size of it. I got it for $10 with my team member discount but I think I'm going to either get a T-Mobile one or European S5. Idk I want to stay with Samsung but this whole locked phone thing is discouraging.
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I agree. Hopefully we will get an Root option (Maybe Kingo will come through again like with the Note 3) but their saying nobody has a root option for 4.4 on At&t phones. Don't see much talk about almost getting there as well. Chainfire was also saying that new Android firmware is about to start breaking root apps. 4.4.3 and on could be the start to the end of custom roms and root for Samsung devices (At&t). I too thought about going with an HTC device, I just love the S5's camera. I don't know what to think about these new phones man. It was so much fun installing and customizing our phones how we wanted to. Its sad and depressing watching these loved things go away. I'm not on my phone as much anymore.
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That's the only reason I kept and probably will keep my Nexus 5...
Colerunn said:
I might be speaking out of an uninformed thought here, but I'm concerned about our root status.
With the bounty being as high as it is, and me not being able to find anywhere that the Devs are collaborating, what are the odds it is taking so long (or even might NOT happen) because there is no developer collaboration for the insanely high bounty? I could be wrong, but I'm starting to wonder if that's the right way to go about it.
Then there's the concern that if we do achieve root, it'll be so late in the game that no one will be developing for our S5 at that point and will have moved on to another device.
Thoughts?
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I've seen maybe one or two times since I've been a member of XDA where a bounty worked achieve root or an unlocked bootloader. Honestly, I doubt many of the devs who work on that type of stuff bought an AT&T S5. If it was me, I would have gone T-Mobile or International, as I'm sure most have.
Also, as someone said above, not everyone pays their pledges. The longer a bounty lasts, the bigger chance people who have pledged early have moved on or are not following anymore. I'm willing to bet that if a bounty was close to 2K, the most a dev could hope for is maybe $500, if their lucky. That's still quite a bit of money, but no where near what was pledged. Past experiences dictate present actions.
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These are legitimate concerns that should have you reevaluating your next purchase based on carrier and manufacturer. The goal is to make AT&T and Verizon phones secure enough for the military and business accounts. That is where the big bucks lie for those carriers. Sprint and T-mobile are more geared towards the average pedestrian with their lower price plans and limited coverage, therefore do not worry about locked bootloaders and super secure phones. Other manufacturers such as HTC provide unlock to those seeking it and root has been very easy.
As for developer discussions regarding root...you have seen what the bounty threads turn into...with all that bickering and name calling it is not conducive to a development environment, so those people actually hampered progress. I am sure discussions are going on in private in some IRC channel without the needless interruptions and constant requests for ETA and "Are we there yet." And as mentioned there is a lot more $$$ in the private sectors rather than claim a half bounty and have a free root available.
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The carriers should make separate phones for consumers and businesses. That would be great.
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The carriers should make separate phones for consumers and businesses. That would be great.
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Some do...sort of...they are called developer's editions and you usually have to wait a few months for their release.
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Some do...sort of...they are called developer's editions and you usually have to wait a few months for their release.
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Hey KennyG, I just got the s5 Active, will y'all be opening up a thread for that soon? Thanks
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Welp, sounds like it's time for me to bite the bullet then. I'm thinking I'll post my phone to Craigslist as looking to sell or trade for a T-mobile version. Worse-comes-to-worst, I'll ebay the phone for what I can get, and pay out of pocket the difference for a new one.
Raises a new question: international version or just a different U.S. carrier's?
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MetroPCS S5 for $649+ $30 unlock code from cellunlocker-dot-net and you have a wide open west device ready for custom recovery/roms, the works. Also will be carrier unlocked and completely unbranded. Radio has all the LTE bands for TMO and ATT, LTE works. Was using Alliance Rom at the time.
I did sell mine and picked up an M8. Just prefer the feel in hand, 32GB (what was SEC thinking 16GB on a top tier device!) and of course the IPS LCD just looks better to my old, tired eyes than the SuperAMOLED+. Of course everyone's preferences are different.
If you're a night owl and prefer full darkness viewing the AMOLED displays can't be beat. Using LUX I was able to turn down the brightness to just about nothing and the contrast is still outstanding. LCDs (of course) wash out since they do have finite limits of contrast at low levels...
But in normal environments, wow, the IPS display looks spectacular...
In any case, expecting root on an ATT device these days is probably going to lead to major disappointment. Personally, I'd rather use an iOS device than a locked bootloader device (S4/S5).
When you're used to having the freedom of root and can no longer do the things you get used to it's like a punishment, having virtual shackles around your feet and expected to run a 10K on a day with 80 degree dewpoints. Oh yes and with a family of hungry black bears right behind you...
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Hey KennyG, I just got the s5 Active, will y'all be opening up a thread for that soon? Thanks
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Not really needed if it is just as locked down and basically same hardware will see how it goes.
I've been out of the Android game for a while now, my last device was a 1st gen Motorola Droid, Android 1.6. I'm coming back because I like the granular access the environment provides and I want the ability to tighten controls on my privacy, including UFED/XRY protection, and future IMSI detection/protection. Android just feels more relevant now than it did a few years back.
The iPhone spoiled me in terms of build quality and finish; I like metal, I like glass and I dislike plastic immensely... That said, the only two phones that look at all interesting are the M9 and the S6 Edge... I've preordered a Gold S6 Edge that will ship in a few weeks time. Between the two, in my eyes, there's really no comparison... I like how uncluttered touchwiz looks; I dislike Sense very much. The S6 screen blows the M9 out of the water, basically I'm just very enamored with the phone, the M9 almost completely bores me... I don't care about boom sound. At all.
I should mention I've been on Verizon for about a decade.
That said. I've been reading about older models (S4, S5, Note) trying to get a handle on the development situation and it doesn't look promising. I'm confident the S6 will be rooted, I know not everyone is, but I'm concerned that Samsung's bootloader and Exynos architecture are going to complicate the hell out of modding this phone.
I don't NEED custom ROM's (though I would love CM12) but I do need root. Running xposed/xprivacy, AFWall+ and other such apps demand it. So what's the general opinion? I don't have a feel for the community or the history anymore and that's why I'm asking... Are these concerns warranted or does probability say we'll move past them and the S6 will be a fine choice... Input welcomed.
I wouldn't buy it expecting root any time soon (maybe not at all?).
I'll give the same advice I always give to someone that says they 'need root'...
Never buy a phone until AFTER root had been discovered/released. Period.
Phones are getting harder and harder to root, especially on devices with locked boot loaders.
I would agree with the previous poster...if root is a must I would tread with caution. The Samsung Note 4 has about $40,000 in combined bounties available for root & for not tripping KNOX, neither has been achieved yet......see thread linked below.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/bounty-verizon-note-4-root-whos-t2916685
I thought they already achieved root in the Samsung S6 edge forum. Not Verizon, but the general s6 edge forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3056631
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V-Ty said:
I thought they already achieved root in the Samsung S6 edge forum. Not Verizon, but the general s6 edge forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3056631
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thats because the international variant does not have a locked bootloader.
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Right! I know our bootloader will never be unlocked but I think we will achieve root sooner then later. Obviously this is all guessing on my behalf but I think this phone is a popular phone and if some of the big developers buy this phone it will have a good chance of root. I know the story of the note 4 cause I just gave it to my wife and checked daily thinking it might be the day of root. But I don't think any of the top developers had a note 4. This is again not a statement of facts, just my guessing. Hopefully I'm right!
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Honestly that was my hope as well. I figured that since the Note was more of a niche device than the S6 will be, combined with the Chainfire deal already out, that we might have something here... It sucks, I don't hop devices often, so I put a lot of effort researching them and what I might be left with is beautiful but root SOL or good to go but boring One M9.
All I'm saying is that you don't buy a phone for what it MIGHT do in the future.
If you NEED root, you buy a phone that already has it. Period.
My understanding is that as of this past February ALL cell phones must be SIM/bootloader unlocked according to the law.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...u-sim-unlock-your-phone-heres-the-fine-print/
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My understanding is that as of this past February ALL cell phones must be SIM/bootloader unlocked according to the law.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...u-sim-unlock-your-phone-heres-the-fine-print/
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That's only talking about SIM unlocked devices.
jaseman said:
My understanding is that as of this past February ALL cell phones must be SIM/bootloader unlocked according to the law.
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From what I understand, all cellphones must have the ability to unlock the SIM (NOT the bootloader) after you have paid for the phone. Some carriers will unlock them sooner or don't lock them at all.
But the main point is, the law (according to my knowledge) does not mention "bootloader" at all.
SIM unlocking is what they seem to be talking about.
I think 40,000 got all the big devs to try the Note 4 bro, I've come to the conclusion ROOT IS DEAD. DAMN THE MAN
If I were to right now get the Samsung Galaxy S5 AT&T ( http://www.att.com/cellphones/samsung/galaxy-s-5.html#sku=sku7120234 ), is it known whether it will have a rootable version or not?
If I am unable to root the phone and keep it rooted, I'll most likely have to go with another phone. (Which would be a shame.)
I've read up some on the situation, and it seems as long as it is version 4.4.4 I would be fine.
And I would be able to update while keeping root if I follow this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/att...w-to-update-to-g900aof2-5-0-keeproot-t3149146
So, I suppose the real question is how sure is it that you'll get the 4.4.4 (rootable) version of android?
And are there any downsides to doing so right now?
(I have a rooted phone now: An HTC First. The failed "Facebook" phone. It was very easy to root and receives no updates, so it's been hassle free, but it'd be nice to finally update.)
I'm not sure if you are buying direct from AT&T or not, but I think it's been confirmed that they have only been selling S5s with 5.0 on them out of the box.
Root may come eventually for those who have factory Lollipop images on their S5s, but I wouldn't count on it. Unfortunately, the window for an easy root on a brand new AT&T branded S5 has closed.
How much are you willing to spend? I'd consider selling my almost mint condition rooted 5.0 GS5 for the right price. I just got it in the Spring and it's in fantastic shape.
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I'm not sure if you are buying direct from AT&T or not, but I think it's been confirmed that they have only been selling S5s with 5.0 on them out of the box.
Root may come eventually for those who have factory Lollipop images on their S5s, but I wouldn't count on it. Unfortunately, the window for an easy root on a brand new AT&T branded S5 has closed.
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Thanks for the reply. Going to look at other options, then.
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How much are you willing to spend? I'd consider selling my almost mint condition rooted 5.0 GS5 for the right price. I just got it in the Spring and it's in fantastic shape.
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Well, I was going with this phone because it is 'free' with the existing contract.... Looking at the other 'free' options now.
Motok0 said:
Well, I was going with this phone because it is 'free' with the existing contract.... Looking at the other 'free' options now.
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If root is a deal breaker I suggest not getting the GS5 unless you are positive that you can get one with KitKat out of the box.
That being said...I have an unrootable one on AT&T that I got free for extending my contract; and I found that their 5.0 build for this phone is probably the most stable phone I've ever had on AT&T ever. Besides the battery and back cover nag alerts and not being able to save Amazon video to the SD card...I have no other complaints re: not having root. But even when I had devices that were rooted...they were stock-rooted. As always...YMMV.
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Hello all,
I just got a new Verizon S6 Edge by extending my contract but most likely I am going to keep my S5 and sell the S6 (don't like the lack of microSD slot and fixed battery). It came with a ROM version (OE2) that would allow me to root it easily with PingPong (have not activated it yet so no OTAs pending).
Do you think it would be more attractive to a buyer if I rooted it (or kept it at OE2) prior to selling it?
What are the negatives of freezing at OE2? Someone mentioned about a serious security hole but that was on Reddit, so you never know what is true.
Thanks for any input.
Frank in Michigan
By rooting it, you're limiting your target audience to those who want root. A "novice" smartphone user, is going to not care, and more than likely will be more turned off by the uncertainty of it in their eyes, with the fear of something going wrong vs a stock phone (even though most of the time it's just fine). It'd be better to leave it stock, and just let potential buyers know that it CAN be rooted easily if they want to. Let the buyer make the choice, and keep your pool of buyers larger. Just my opinion.
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By rooting it, you're limiting your target audience to those who want root. A "novice" smartphone user, is going to not care, and more than likely will be more turned off by the uncertainty of it in their eyes, with the fear of something going wrong vs a stock phone (even though most of the time it's just fine). It'd be better to leave it stock, and just let potential buyers know that it CAN be rooted easily if they want to. Let the buyer make the choice, and keep your pool of buyers larger. Just my opinion.
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Good point. I was going to try it for a week or so to make sure it worked OK and in case I changed my mind, but I am sure it would do an OTA during that time. And it would be used, so worth less I guess.
Thanks for the input. Will leave it as is and sell it with info about current ROM status.
Frank in Michigan
FMinMI said:
Good point. I was going to try it for a week or so to make sure it worked OK and in case I changed my mind, but I am sure it would do an OTA during that time. And it would be used, so worth less I guess.
Thanks for the input. Will leave it as is and sell it with info about current ROM status.
Frank in Michigan
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Hey man. Was trying to get a hold of you over on howard forums, but their approval process takes ages.
When you're ready to sell let me know. I am trying very hard to find one that can be rooted. I'll trade, buy, or whatever. Have this stupid s6 edge
that my wife graciously updated for me before I could root it, thus making me hate the phone.
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Hey man. Was trying to get a hold of you over on howard forums, but their approval process takes ages.
When you're ready to sell let me know. I am trying very hard to find one that can be rooted. I'll trade, buy, or whatever. Have this stupid s6 edge
that my wife graciously updated for me before I could root it, thus making me hate the phone.
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Sorry about that. I have it on Swappa right now. You can see the ROM info there to confirm that is what you are looking for - I made a screen shot of it. PingPong is supposed to work fine but I wasn't going to do it since I wanted to sell it new/unused, in case a person wanted it as a gift for Christmas. Not looking to trade; just selling it because I like my S5 (now rooted with LP).
LMK.
Frank in Michigan (central).
Is there a root solution for AT&T G900A Galaxy S5 on Android 6.0.1 Marshmallow?
Thanks
No, there is not
once again.
If you are looking for root, then you probably have the wrong phone. This phone is 2 and a half years old. Most of the developers have moved on to the newer phones, and are unwilling to work on a older phone where the root method is likely going to be specific to this device only.
Has anyone tried https://github.com/timwr/CVE-2016-5195 ?
There are more discussions on Dirty Cow at http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/security/dirty-cow-t3484879
Another potential to try us rowhammer: http://arstechnica.com/security/201...tflips-to-root-android-phones-is-now-a-thing/ and XDA thread for S6 http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s6/general/root-6-0-1-rowhammer-t3486691
Per that article, the APK that they want users to try and report on is: https://vvdveen.com/drammer/drammer.apk
The views on this thread shows am not alone
this kind of poor support makes me not want to buy another samsung phone -_- . its already 2.5 years old let me do what i want with it samsung
four loko said:
this kind of poor support makes me not want to buy another samsung phone -_- . its already 2.5 years old let me do what i want with it samsung
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wont be buying any at&t phones anymore.
four loko said:
this kind of poor support makes me not want to buy another samsung phone -_- . its already 2.5 years old let me do what i want with it samsung
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Its primarily the carrier that locks most things down especially the bootloader. Best bet is to save up and outright buy a "developers" version of a phone or the google pixel.
Take a look here:
http://tinyurl.com/j3rzy7g
It's now basically possible, just waiting for someone to make an executable/apk.
id donate $5-10 for root
Rumor has it the author of this code is not selling or accepting payments for it, and if he releases it, he's not going to charge for it either.
Rowhammer
Seems it is not working on my SM-G900A.
i am also waiting for root i still use this phone i got 3 of these and 3 note 3's old but good phones