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Busted screen replaced, still not working

My dumb butt child was sucking on my phone a couple weeks ago and caused the LCD to short out or something. The phone still worked and if I used a bright light I could shine it onto the screen and barely make out what was on the screen. It was booting properly and I assume that if I could make out the menu options the phone would still function. I assumed that she shorted out the LCD so I ordered, received and replaced the LCD tonight. Apparently this was not the problem, sucks to be me. I do think there was a problem with the touch screen portion already which is now working properly again but still I can still not see the screen for crap. It's like the brightness setting is on 1 or something. If I use a flashlight I can make out the screen, use the stylus and operate the phone. When I was replacing the LCD I noticed that the two circuit boards to the north and south of the LCD seemed to have a bit of corrosion on some of the tiny chips. I used an alcohol swab to clean the area off but that didn't make a difference. I am utterly convinced that the motherboard is fine since it seems to be well protected in the case and not easily accessible to moisture. I see no signs of corrosion on the motherboard like I do the two circuit boards around the LCD area. I noticed that there are only two contacts on the LCD one of which is a cable that plugs into the south circuit board just underneath the front panel key pad. Just to the right of that cable connection is where I saw signs of corrosion so I wonder if that board is the problem.
The computer tech in me says that I could be swapping parts all night before I get this right. Since the LCD plugs into that board, that could be the problem, there is a ribbon cable that wraps around the back of the LCD which also seems to make contact with the LCD which could also be the problem, that ribbon cable plugs into the north circuit board, so that might be a problem and finally, the ribbon cable plugs into the main board so that too might end up being a problem.
Can anyone take a guess as to why I might be seeing such low contrast/brightness from the LCD? I have already adjusted the brightness setting in the menus. I think it was called the backlight setting, but I moved them to the far right with no change. Again, this is a near pitch black screen that is only visible when I shine a light onto the screen.

i haven't taken my tilt apart but as a computer tech repairing broken laptops etc i know your problem.
as for laptops, there is a little inverter card that powers the backlight. its connected to the display unit by 2 cables (same as with my digital camera, rip ) and this boards are really weak / vulnerable to moisture...
so most likely this board is damaged...

That sort of explains what I think is going on too. Take a look at this cable (apparently it's clickable and will grow slightly in size to give more detail):
Let me explain the cable. This fits directly behind the LCD. The LCD comes with one flat ribbon cable and it plugs into a port on the right side of this picture. On that right circuit board if you notice the top left portion of the board there is thin black slot which is where the LCD plugs into if I recall correctly. There is another cable that plugs in just to the right of that jack from where I forget actually, lol. Once that cable is flipped over the bottom keypad on the phone sits right on top of that board. In fact on the other side you can even see the contacts for the outside buttons. The buttons in question would be like the green phone and red phone, the "e" shortcut and pretty much all the silver external shortcut buttons. Getting back to the cable, you will notice that in the middle of the cable there is a rather wide connection and that is the one that plugs onto the motherboard.
When I was replacing the LCD I spotted two sources of corrosion on both boards. The more plausible culprit was about 1/8 of an inch away from where the LCD plugs into the right circuit board.
I sent HTC an email seeing if they would help to which they told me to send it in. I have no intentions of doing that. I already know how to disassemble and reassemble the phone at this point and I already have 35 dollars invested into a new LCD. I am not about to spend 250 bucks to have HTC take 3 weeks to replace that cable. After some searching last night though, I have no idea where to get the cable. It seems that all the normal parts places on the web want 90 bucks for this cable, but at the same time they want 120 for the LCD. Obviously prices have dropped some because I was able to get the LCD new from ebay for 35. I just need help finding a place that will sell me that cable at a reasonable price.
Now that you have looked at the cable and that board, do you think it's possible that the right board could be the back light inverter that you were mentioning? If that's truly the correct board then it would make since that there is something wrong with it since I saw signs of possible damage and the LCD does work, just not strong enough to be seen with the naked eye. Since these things tend to work much like laptops do, I am leaning towards the possibility that you totally know what your talking about and that it would make since that this is the faulty part.
One other thought, the backlight is the piece that increases the brightness of the LCD right and not just some sort of overhead flashlight or something, correct? The term backlight almost implies a different part but I am pretty sure it's the term used to describe the brightness of the LCD in this case. I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page here.
Any additional thoughts?
Thanks

okay, to be clear about this. i am not 100% sure, if the backlight on the kaiser works the same way as the one on my IBM Thinkpad T41.
tl;dr; i don't know if the kaiser actually has an inverter board.
as for the cable: if you found a bit corrosion on both boards, i'm pretty sure that the reason why your backlight doesn't work.
about the last part: yeah, with "backlight" i mean the unit sits behind digitizer and LCD and increases the brightness of the lcd so you are able to read everything on the screen. i don't mean an overhead flashlight
btw, i just found this one
http://www.cellulardr.com/50H10051-41M-XC.htm
selling the cable / boards or about 90$
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disregard that... i noticed that the boards allways come with that cable assembly.... and cost about 90$ everywhere... will keep an eye on that.
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I'm going through the same thing. Did you ever replace that piece? Please let me know because it sucks to not use this phone.

screen problem, most of the time do not work

Hi, i think i have problem with my screen, it's not work anymore, so I decided to reflash device with official Rom. But it didn't work.
Moreover before windows system start for the first time ir requires to tap on screen to boot. So now I cannot use my TytnII at all.
Is it any options to boot it without tapping on screen?
Or just to flash with other ROM, but HARdspl is not installed so a bit afraid to brick my phone. please help

hurdleman said:
Hi, i think i have problem with my screen, it's not work anymore, so I decided to reflash device with official Rom. But it didn't work.
Moreover before windows system start for the first time ir requires to tap on screen to boot. So now I cannot use my TytnII at all.
Is it any options to boot it without tapping on screen?
Or just to flash with other ROM, but HARdspl is not installed so a bit afraid to brick my phone. please help
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install hardspl (same procedure as flashing) and then install rom of your choise if it dosn't work have you done any of the following
dropped it in water
gone in the washing machine
etc.... stuff like that

why don't you get a new digitizer??? it's $10 for kaiser?? i've been changing them like underwear...every half a year.
what is it, what's asking you to click on screen? if it's just a welcome screen, put welcome.not file in root.

papo said:
why don't you get a new digitizer??? it's $10 for kaiser?? i've been changing them like underwear...every half a year.
what is it, what's asking you to click on screen? if it's just a welcome screen, put welcome.not file in root.
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hehehe funny expression 'changing them like [email protected]
what do you only change your underwear 2 a year

hehe, i live in Lithuania, so price with shipping will be around 25$. I think this isn't very cheap. Finally got screen working, but after 30min of using again no respond to tapping, then again working fine, and after that again no. it's annoying. I think it's problem with digitizer? I haven't it dropped to water, it almost brand new

hurdleman said:
hehe, i live in Lithuania, so price with shipping will be around 25$. I think this isn't very cheap. Finally got screen working, but after 30min of using again no respond to tapping, then again working fine, and after that again no. it's annoying. I think it's problem with digitizer? I haven't it dropped to water, it almost brand new
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thats good you got it working
hope the problem doesn't happen again

if we assume the problem is harware, it would most likely by at one of two spots.
place, where the ribbon cable is soldered to lcd
or place where two piecies of digitiizer are connnected to each other.
might help if you check on the ribbon and glue a plastic tape all around the edge of digitizer, making it press little bit more on it
well, if that's hw probllem. but first you shoud try different rom. you can reflash without digitizer working. and check for pocket controller or similar if you want you can control pda from pc with it. there are two free and Pocket contr is trial.

if you just want to bypass the "tap here to use your device" message on the first boot up, search for "welcome.not".
create a blank file named "welcome.not" and place it in the root of your sd card and then power on the device for first boot up.
make sure it is a blank file. make sure it is named EXACTLY "welcome.not". if you are doing this with your windows pc, make sure you have turned off "hide file extensions of known file types". otherwise, the file might actually be named "welcome.not.txt" but might show as "welcome.not" on your pc.
search about it for more information.

hi, have tried differnt rom, but problem still persist. screen is not working, but sometimes it starts working very well. but most of the time it not respond. when backlight goes out and touch screen it starts to light but can't touch any options on. So what can be the problem, only digitezer or whole screen?

it was more probable it would be hw. but we need to eliminate all possibilities and reflash was easiest.
Still there is more things which could be the problem.
And there is no way to tell for sure what is it.
Did you say the pda is new? or digitizer?
And then you said when backlight goes off, digitizer will stop working, but still reacting on touch (to light the backlight) Is this right?
When will it stop / start working? Does it change if you press on body - case?
Does it change if you slide keyboard out or in?
There would be a short test each time pda/screen is powered, if digitizer fails in this test, it would be ignored till next test pass. Could this be your case?
digitizer could be broken on corner, or has bad contact inside
- You can test it, if you'll solder test wires on it and measure resistance, which should be around 500 ohms without touch and going down on each touch, can't go higher! test for both H & V
but the same reaction could be if ribbon cable connecting two parts of kaiser is broken (or connector on mobo side)
but if it's new it shouldn't.
and at last there could be problem on mobo. inside the controller chip or on it's connection, soldering. But not very probable.
It definitely looks like bad connection somewhere. You need to find out where, so you'll not buy digitizer if it's good or ribbon cable.
Put plastic tape around digitizer inside, as I wrote before, inspect ribbon cable and digitizer and it's connections. Try to locate event when it goes wrong.
If you'll not open it and check on these things, then maybe get a new part which will show bad, then I don't see how more we could help you.
You can use it without touch screen somehow or get a new phone.
Digitizer is US$8 with shipping to Lithuania. That's really cheap, even for us from central european countries.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HTC-P4450-Ka...m&pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item5192adf317#shId
and ribbon cable have fair price too,
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Flex-Cable-R...ewItem&pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3cadad06a3

papo very informative
All i want to add is that it's easier to replace the whole screen with a digitizer already on as the digitizer is very hard to remove since glued to the glass more than likely will get wrecked and not able to replace new, whereas full kit wont cost a lot more and will be less stress just 4 screws on the back plate of Tilt "where sim door is".

Well, it is not new, i've bought it from one girl, but it's like brand new, no scratching at all, very good condition.
also, yesterday i checked all the connection inside it, but the problem persisted.
I think I have understood what kind off problem it is...when remove sim card it stars to work perfectly. When insert sim, it work some time very well. Then again screen start not to respond, any ideas?

hurdleman said:
Well, it is not new, i've bought it from one girl, but it's like brand new, no scratching at all, very good condition.
also, yesterday i checked all the connection inside it, but the problem persisted.
I think I have understood what kind off problem it is...when remove sim card it stars to work perfectly. When insert sim, it work some time very well. Then again screen start not to respond, any ideas?
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mm, I know some pretty good spells, but you need a magic wand to make them work. If you don't have any you need to:
tape the screen as I wrote before (half millimeter tape),
if no help, hardwire analog multimeter on digitizer and test it properly (while pda off and open) as I wrote before
tape bended paper across connector on mobo.
OR just get a new digitizer straight away. it's $8 and pretty good chance that it's the issue. it's maybe 50% chance but what I mean is:
You have $200 phone (now on market) let's assign it 200 points
It's working on 20% with digitizer broken, now you have 40 points
digitizer 8 points to add. With 50% chance to fix = 16 points to add
result: by adding 16 points you gain 160 (200 - 40) that's 10x gain = good risk

WTF with my screen? post photos. on the first my screen, on the second lcd screens which are beiing sold on ebay.
I decided to buy new digitizer, but when looked at my screen, it realized have completely different layout where digitizer is connecting to screen. Am i right? Is the digitizers which are sold on ebay will suit my screen?

that's fine. they all work. They are not oem but works well. Maybe not so scratch resistive.
You may get the digitizer solo, but they will not include a special double side tape which goes around and is holding it together. You can make that tape, but it's pain as stylez said. A lot of cleaning the used old one, then cutting small strips of ds-tape. and you need to put a paper or something in between two layers of tape as you need a little space in between. And then soldering that ribbon. Better just get whole assembly.
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I see you tried that tape, before you buy it, try the last thing. The place where digitizer is soldered to lcd modul.
On that piece you sent photo of, you need to open back cover.
check the picture:
1. peel off antistatic tape from connector, from up -> down
2. take cover off
3. there will be attachment of digitizer behind the cover, like on your second picture.
Check for good connection
AND
check if soldered pins could not be touching the back cover you took off
( i had this problem once)
put electric tape accross it a give it a try - that will isolate it from back cover & make a little pressure if bad connection
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My diamond fell and gives no image

Hi all ... I have my HTC Diamond for about a year. I love this phone, and I don't want another, but today, unfortunately he has a very strong fall. I always had very, very careful with it. But today was the time, the phone crashed, broke away from the back cover and battery, and I thought to myself, if not damaged by this fall, he would never break down. I put the battery, put the cover, turn it on, he vibrate on startup, but nothing else, the phone went blank, I was waiting, and then there gave the sound of that presentation of HTC, but no picture, no lights on the keys, nothing ... I'm really sad, I have no idea what it is. Already dismantled a bit cuz I thought it was some form of contact to the screen that is hung up, but no, it's all good inside. Does anyone know what could be?
Sorry for the bad english (google translator)

Please... can anyone help me?

could be flex connecting Display to motherboard damage. Send to HTC center to check

My diamond did the same thing, just open it up and connect the flat plastic display cable back into it's little plastic connector on the motherboard. Takes all of 15min to do and there is no way you can screw it up

gripen40k said:
My diamond did the same thing, just open it up and connect the flat plastic display cable back into it's little plastic connector on the motherboard. Takes all of 15min to do and there is no way you can screw it up
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Thx... but since then, I already repair it, not me, and the guy make me pay 20€ for that... and now my GPS doesn't work. By what I searched, may be it's the coaxial antenna that is not connect, or I heard that after deconnected, it can't be re-used.
But I don't know where to buy a new one...

Well at least try opening it up and seeing if anything is broken. The guy who fixed it probably disconnected it on purpose so you have to pay him more to fix it again

I have also gone through the same problem last month. As my small cousin came from abroad, he threw the phone like wrapper of the chocolate but I send the phone to the repairing center and it is well now.

[Q][Found something] YAY! No Display!!

So...I took apart my Nexus One to clean the dust from under the screen. I've done this before, but it back together and it worked. But this time, after putting it back together it wont power on. I sometimes get a vibrate after pressing the power button. One question though. This time I noticed that one end of the coax cable on the left of the phone is broken and there is no plug on it. Would this be the problem? I don't think it should though since I'm guessing it connects the GPS antenna to the rest, and I dont use GPS on my phone. Any help would be good.
EDIT: I think I didnt connect the LCD good enough.

The co ax cable must be connected to the logic board. If it won't click in connect it then secure in place with a small piece of tape.

Hollow.Droid said:
The co ax cable must be connected to the logic board. If it won't click in connect it then secure in place with a small piece of tape.
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As I said, the top plug of the coax has been ripped off.
Do you know if that's the problem?
Again, when I push the button it vibrates like it usually does on boot, but doesn't show anything on screen.
I pulled out the board again, trying to find the problem.
EDIT!!!! I just noticed on the LCD ribbon cable there are a few bent pins. I think that will be my problem. I'll get it back together in like 15 minutes and report back.
EDIT 2!!!! So yea...two of the pins came off, and are way to small to find. Guess I need to order a new LCD.

Crap, new LCDs are $60+

HD2 Repair

Hey guys,
The USB port of my HD2 broke off and I was forced to replace the motherboard. When I assembled the HD2 again, I could immediately see that there was something wrong with my screen. The screen couldn't display full color (only bright red/orange/white/dark green/cyan accents). Also, the 'hang-up button isn't responding anymore after I replaced the motherboard (and flexcable).
What happened? Is there something wrong with the lcd display or did something go wrong when I (dis)assembled the phone? I took the motherboard and the flexcable from another HD2 that had a broken display.
Thanks in advance.

bilaba70 said:
Hey guys,
The USB port of my HD2 broke off and I was forced to replace the motherboard. When I assembled the HD2 again, I could immediately see that there was something wrong with my screen. The screen couldn't display full color (only bright red/orange/white/dark green/cyan accents). Also, the 'hang-up button isn't responding anymore after I replaced the motherboard (and flexcable).
What happened? Is there something wrong with the lcd display or did something go wrong when I (dis)assembled the phone? I took the motherboard and the flexcable from another HD2 that had a broken display.
Thanks in advance.
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So you completely voided your warranty through HTC and tried to fix the device yourself, then screwed it up. I'd still say send it to HTC and ask for a repair. I don't know if they'll do it or not, unless you used official parts. I know they do out-of-warranty repairs, but they'll charge you.....

Yep you screwed up the repair, those ribbon cables need a delicate touch & any handfisted moment ends up with what you have got now ...
Another careful strip & inspection of all ribbon connectors is needed ...

I bought it as a second-hand phone. The guy didn't give me a reseat and the HD2 was flashed a WP7 ROM.

For the button problem, how are you turning your phone on without that button? do you hear/feel it click when you press it? If not its just misaligned.the buttons are on a flex ribbon cable with two holes on each side. it fits on the plastic middle frame of the phone which has two small spikes coming out of it... it has to be perfectly placed for your buttons to actually click..
if the flex ribbon is broken however you can buy one off ebay for arround 10$ any will do, mine is not original works fine..
for the screen you could have messed up the lcd, did you separate from the glass-digitizer? if you did you probably screwed it up.. its not a easy thing to do.. also was not necessary for your repairs
the connection to the motherboard might not be all the in and clipped which might cause your problem... (being that two of the little pins provide voltage and ground while all the others provide data information if one of those pins is not in all the way a piece of data might not be displaying for example a color. Never seen that happen its theoretically possible thou)
well I have only opened my phone 3 times and dont claim to be a expert.. but this is my take on it... Good luck!

@pablow Thanks for the detailed response.
The HD2 is only turned on, after I place the battery. Otherwhise it won't start.
I hear a click on the (broken) 'off' button, everytime I press it. I also noticed that the inside of not all of the 'spikes' are empty. I can see a bit of the flexcable in the spike of the broken 'off' button. The spike of the (working) 'call' button is empty.
I think that the flexcable hasn't been connected securely to the motherboard. I'll try connecting everything again tonight.

not that it makes much difference but HTC wouldn't of fixed it through warranty because of usb damage anyway

I thought so, thanks for the heads-up anyways.

[Solved] Display is fixed
Update:
I disassembled the HD2 and reconnected everything (from coax to flexcable). Fortunately it worked! The display is how it should be.
I have another problem now. All of the buttons don't work now, exept for the dial button. Do these buttons break so fast? It's annoying as fuark, because I have to disassemble it another time in the future to fix the buttons.
I also couldn't re-attach the volume control tab when assembling the HD2.