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I dunno whether it is a battery problem or what but I got a brand new battery
coz the last battery was too bad but the new battery also sucks.
I was wondering if it was cause of the ROM and kernel so
I switched to stock rom for trial purpose and still I got juz like barely 7 hours of juice....
with juz some files thru bluetooth and half an hour or so of texting....
so what could be causing the problem?
Here's the battery stats...
NiiSyth said:
I dunno whether it is a battery problem or what but I got a brand new battery
coz the last battery was too bad but the new battery also sucks.
I was wondering if it was cause of the ROM and kernel so
I switched to stock rom for trial purpose and still I got juz like barely 7 hours of juice....
with juz some files thru bluetooth and half an hour or so of texting....
so what could be causing the problem?
Here's the battery stats...
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I'm not really an expert on this... but I'll try!
First, data - depending on how often your apps that use data refresh, it may be killing your battery because they are always updating in the background
Next, apps - depending on how many are open, and trying to retrieve info or a responce, this may be killing your battery life
Another, backlight brightness - I would say half brightness looks almost the same as full brightness, so turn that down too. Another thing you can do is make sure that your phone times out so the screen is always on and sucking the life out of your battery
Plus, bluetooth and wifi - turn those off when you aren't using them! They turn on in a couple of seconds so there is no use in just leaving them on and draining your battery.
Lastly, I dunno what "kik" is (the app running in the corner of the status bar) but it may be using battery too (probably not because it isn't in the list of the battery use so I don't think that's it.
Anyways, in short, possibly shut off the data if you don't always use it (you don't have to tho ), go into the settings of apps, and get the refresh rate at a longer period of time (so they aren't always using data), kill any open apps if you can with an app manager, turn down the brightness of backlight, change the time it takes to shut off the backlight, and shut off the bluetooth and wifi when you aren't using it.
Unfortunatley the battery life on the Ace is far from the best, if anything it's terrible, but other than that I have very few issues with the phone.
Well... That's my two cents. Hopefully it helps, but if not, search around on the forums and see if you can find any other solutions. :fingers-crossed: I'm not the expert, but I'm trying to throw ideas out there. Good luck
Running background processes is a major battery kill. I used to get 12h+ on 3G with Stocklite V6. Never used heavy apps though. Just Textplus, Opera Mini to check fb sometimes and WhatsApp whenever someone talked to me. Light usage.
How much the battery lasts depends on the user completely.
thatdude02 said:
I'm not really an expert on this... but I'll try!
First, data - depending on how often your apps that use data refresh, it may be killing your battery because they are always updating in the background
Next, apps - depending on how many are open, and trying to retrieve info or a responce, this may be killing your battery life
Another, backlight brightness - I would say half brightness looks almost the same as full brightness, so turn that down too. Another thing you can do is make sure that your phone times out so the screen is always on and sucking the life out of your battery
Plus, bluetooth and wifi - turn those off when you aren't using them! They turn on in a couple of seconds so there is no use in just leaving them on and draining your battery.
Lastly, I dunno what "kik" is (the app running in the corner of the status bar) but it may be using battery too (probably not because it isn't in the list of the battery use so I don't think that's it.
Anyways, in short, possibly shut off the data if you don't always use it (you don't have to tho ), go into the settings of apps, and get the refresh rate at a longer period of time (so they aren't always using data), kill any open apps if you can with an app manager, turn down the brightness of backlight, change the time it takes to shut off the backlight, and shut off the bluetooth and wifi when you aren't using it.
Unfortunatley the battery life on the Ace is far from the best, if anything it's terrible, but other than that I have very few issues with the phone.
Well... That's my two cents. Hopefully it helps, but if not, search around on the forums and see if you can find any other solutions. :fingers-crossed: I'm not the expert, but I'm trying to throw ideas out there. Good luck
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First of all thnx for taking this much time out....
It's rlly helpful...
but
1. My data usage is barely 10 mb per day....
and no wifi and mearge usage of bluetooth....
2. Background apps;
only adw and one or two others...
and Kik is juz like whatsapp, a messaging app....
and it's quite lightweight, been using it since uite some time...
3. Backlight is at an always 25% and screen timeout 30 secs....
so juz wanna know if there's a possibility of some hardware fault......
coz I've tried most things possible to take out the software fault if any....
NiiSyth said:
First of all thnx for taking this much time out....
It's rlly helpful...
but
1. My data usage is barely 10 mb per day....
and no wifi and mearge usage of bluetooth....
2. Background apps;
only adw and one or two others...
and Kik is juz like whatsapp, a messaging app....
and it's quite lightweight, been using it since uite some time...
3. Backlight is at an always 25% and screen timeout 30 secs....
so juz wanna know if there's a possibility of some hardware fault......
coz I've tried most things possible to take out the software fault if any....
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Wait, i just forgot!...
I get this too sometimes, but what might help is if you reset your battery stats! I have to do this too because I found that after a half an hour after unplugging my phone with no use I lost 10% battery life, for no apparant reason. Search in the Play Store "BatteryCalibration". All you have to do is charge your phone to 100%, and tap the button . You usually have to do this after flashing a new ROM, because you might not flash it at 100% battery life and the stats go from there. So I would say, try it and see what happens.
Now... If not... The only other suggestion I have is if you find a battery booster app such as "Juice Defender" from the Play Store. I tried using it, but didn't see a huge difference (I don't have data, so I just keep it off), probably because I barely use my phone. I've also heard some thing about a script called "v6 Super Charger" (I've only heard of it, please search it if you want to know more because I sure don't ). Aparantly it boosts battery as well, but no promises haha.
If you are really desperate for better battery life, I would say switch to 2g service in the settings. Other than that.... I'm out for now
Hopefully this might help you out as well, but other than that the Ace is not well known for a good battery. But that's a mid range phone for you (but the Ace ain't no slouch either)
Anyway, goodluck!
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Ok, so after looking around a little, I found a very interesting thread about Lithium-Ion batteries! Really cool and really worth the read! I learned quite a bit. Hopefully this answers any additional questions that I wasn't able to answer!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=669497
Try also eliminating any widgets or live wallpapers that you may have running. These might keep the processor running at a higher speed then neccessary, but no promises.... Plus I already mentioned closing apps you don't need (so this is pretty much the same woops) and you might have done it already.
The biggest thing to remeber is that you have to sacrifice performance for the best battery life. This may go as far as underclocking your maximum CPU speed, but this might cause some lagging especially at the startup. I think that this should be a last resort to be honest, because you still want to use a phone, and not a laggy device that you are trying to conserve as much battery as possible.
I also heard something about the motherboard possibly having a hardware fault in it causing excess discharge... But... I will need to do a little more searching to see if I can figure this out for you!
The other possiblity is that you get a power bank... But that just adds to what you have to pack around, so this is probably another last resort, but it's all up to you.
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Wait, i just forgot!...
I get this too sometimes, but what might help is if you reset your battery stats! I have to do this too because I found that after a half an hour after unplugging my phone with no use I lost 10% battery life, for no apparant reason. Search in the Play Store "BatteryCalibration". All you have to do is charge your phone to 100%, and tap the button . You usually have to do this after flashing a new ROM, because you might not flash it at 100% battery life and the stats go from there. So I would say, try it and see what happens.
Now... If not... The only other suggestion I have is if you find a battery booster app such as "Juice Defender" from the Play Store. I tried using it, but didn't see a huge difference (I don't have data, so I just keep it off), probably because I barely use my phone. I've also heard some thing about a script called "v6 Super Charger" (I've only heard of it, please search it if you want to know more because I sure don't ). Aparantly it boosts battery as well, but no promises haha.
If you are really desperate for better battery life, I would say switch to 2g service in the settings. Other than that.... I'm out for now
Hopefully this might help you out as well, but other than that the Ace is not well known for a good battery. But that's a mid range phone for you (but the Ace ain't no slouch either)
Anyway, goodluck!
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Ok, so after looking around a little, I found a very interesting thread about Lithium-Ion batteries! Really cool and really worth the read! I learned quite a bit. Hopefully this answers any additional questions that I wasn't able to answer!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=669497
Try also eliminating any widgets or live wallpapers that you may have running. These might keep the processor running at a higher speed then neccessary, but no promises.... Plus I already mentioned closing apps you don't need (so this is pretty much the same woops) and you might have done it already.
The biggest thing to remeber is that you have to sacrifice performance for the best battery life. This may go as far as underclocking your maximum CPU speed, but this might cause some lagging especially at the startup. I think that this should be a last resort to be honest, because you still want to use a phone, and not a laggy device that you are trying to conserve as much battery as possible.
I also heard something about the motherboard possibly having a hardware fault in it causing excess discharge... But... I will need to do a little more searching to see if I can figure this out for you!
The other possiblity is that you get a power bank... But that just adds to what you have to pack around, so this is probably another last resort, but it's all up to you.
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I tried battery stat reset at every charge to see if that helped....
but no friggin help...
Prolly it's the motherboard fault.....
coz I even reverted back to touchwiz launcher with juz icons and stock rom and now dat's juz the limit...
the phone looks like a crippled giant....
capable of everything but is chained by the bloody harware problem...
gonna give it to the Samsung Service center....:/
NiiSyth said:
I tried battery stat reset at every charge to see if that helped....
but no friggin help...
Prolly it's the motherboard fault.....
coz I even reverted back to touchwiz launcher with juz icons and stock rom and now dat's juz the limit...
the phone looks like a crippled giant....
capable of everything but is chained by the bloody harware problem...
gonna give it to the Samsung Service center....:/
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Probably the best thing to do! Sorry I couldn't be any help to you, so it's probably best if you do that. I love my Ace, but the battery just has to hold it back
It sucks, but anyway, I hope you can get it fixed!:fingers-crossed:
Guys i face the same problem. My battery stays only for 1 to 2 hour. I tried wiping battery stats, full discharge and charge but of on use
Need some help guys.
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This may be a common reply.. But I still would recommend using juice defender ultimate.. It helps a LOT!!
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I know there are countless threads/topics regarding high battery usage re p880, but I didn't want to resurrect an old thread, or hijack someone else's, so if I'm wrong in creating this thread, then I apologise.Can someone please tell me what exactly this service is/does, as it seems to be the biggest problem regarding my lousy battery life.. phone just sees it as android system (pic 3) where as BS+ sees system back up service. As i have backup disabled, this is puzzling me.
Thanks in advance,
Edit: in the time it took to write this message, ive lost 14% in battery, including the time it took to screenshot.
Edit 2: Ah, now im back on PC i can type properly.
been playing around, disabling system backup service, but a new process just gets launched in its place, from key chain, to LocMgrProvider...seems as you disable one, another replaces it, all using same battery. Must i just accept, that the android system is just going to eat my battery?..like cookie monster at the biscuit counter?
If it helps, im running stock 4.0.3, freshly flashed, with F/reset, unrooted.
Thanks in advance, and any help is very much appreciated,
Sun
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SunHounD said:
I know there are countless threads/topics regarding high battery usage re p880, but I didn't want to resurrect an old thread, or hijack someone else's, so if I'm wrong in creating this thread, then I apologise.Can someone please tell me what exactly this service is/does, as it seems to be the biggest problem regarding my lousy battery life.. phone just sees it as android system (pic 3) where as BS+ sees system back up service. As i have backup disabled, this is puzzling me.
Thanks in advance,
Edit: in the time it took to write this message, ive lost 14% in battery, including the time it took to screenshot.
Edit 2: Ah, now im back on PC i can type properly.
been playing around, disabling system backup service, but a new process just gets launched in its place, from key chain, to LocMgrProvider...seems as you disable one, another replaces it, all using same battery. Must i just accept, that the android system is just going to eat my battery?..like cookie monster at the biscuit counter?
If it helps, im running stock 4.0.3, freshly flashed, with F/reset, unrooted.
Thanks in advance, and any help is very much appreciated,
Sun
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that's... waaaaaay too much. why are you on ICS anyway?
my suggestion is - factory reset from stock recovery (warning: your internal sd card will be fully formatted). in case you don't care about ICS, i strongly suggest JB. if you don't care about voiding warranty, i strongly suggest unlocked bootloader + custom rom and kernel. oh and also, grab better battery stats app, it shows an easier-to-understand overview when compared to apps you used
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that's... waaaaaay too much. why are you on ICS anyway?
my suggestion is - factory reset from stock recovery (warning: your internal sd card will be fully formatted). in case you don't care about ICS, i strongly suggest JB. if you don't care about voiding warranty, i strongly suggest unlocked bootloader + custom rom and kernel. oh and also, grab better battery stats app, it shows an easier-to-understand overview when compared to apps you used
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Thanks for such a quick reply.
I'll tell you the scenario, as quick as i can make it.
had the phone 2 weeks, got it on a 24mnth contract ( i know, sigh)
anyway, updated it to JB (4.1.2?) through LG pc suite, but thought the battery life seemed to be worse, so i downgraded with LG flash tool, to ics.
after a F/reset, i rooted, then F/Reset again, but it seemed sluggish.
the long and short of it is, ive gone up to JB twice, and down to ICS twice, rooted and unrooted twice, disabled a whole HOST of stock bloatware, and am still left with similar results as posted in the pics.
ATM ive a clean ICS and im at a loss as to what to do. ive been reading all the threads about improving battery, culling the bloatware apps etc before i decided to post.
as for bootloader, i will probably do that sometime in the future, when im more knowledgeable on the subject. at present, i dont want to be left with a 2 year contract to a brick
thanks again,
ps: you say better battery stats is better than battery stats plus?...will download now, thanks
Sun
interesting situation. it's strange that sluggishness persisted between factory resets and .dz flashes back to 10x version.
first off, how does the phone behave when you're not using it? is it draining battery bad? is it going into deep sleep? what are the percentages of cpu states (you can check this in better battery stats, as battery stats plus seems to be too clunky for me to read proper info)?
if it's deep sleeping properly, then yeah, the issue is with something sucking up the juice while screen is on. next off, check cpu states - if it's locked at 1.5ghz often, when you have screen on but doing nothing, it's significant info.
what i've noticed with display, you can count up to 3:30 hours of onscreen time with stock rom (this is with very conservative use of wifi and data during this period, and no heavy gaming for example) - that's around 200 minutes of on screen time, meaning you should get around 2 minutes of screen on per 1% of reduction in battery - how far are you from this result?
i hope we manage to get to the bottom of this, but i still recommend unlocking bootloader and flashing custom kernel and/or rom. you can't really brick o4x while unlocking bootloader afaik, and you've done more complex operations when switching from 20a to 10h than bootloader unlock is.
I would go the other way to be honest. If you do a full factory reset, install no apps, no Google account or anything and still get a similar problem with the battery drain then I would take the phone back for replacement as that is abnormal.
No point running a risk with your warranty when might be a hardware fault.
It's midnight here now so can't really test it till.morning now. When phone is in standby, it seems to hold.its juice ok. I'm sat here now, with nothing switched on except WiFi, screen at 23% brightness , and am just using tapatalk and I'm getting 2-3 mins per 1% screen. Less if I play in the menus. First thing tomorrow, I'll reset the phone again, before dl'ing any apps. Then I'll only download BBS and see how I get on. I'll also.monitor battery loss over night.
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after i wrote the above last night, i decided to watch a movie on my phone in bed.(headphones, dont wanna disturb the missus ) and i managed to watch a movie of 2hrs 10 mins, with 23% battery drain, on stock video player, yet just browsing through the phones menus/ light web surfing, eats the juice like crazy.
left phone off charge over night, and didnt even have a 1% drop in 7 hours (wifi off,sync off, data always off(dont use it)) and phone set to 2g mode
Sun
current set up
Right,
I've performed another F/reset, and rooted. Installed TB pro, and uninstalled/frozen a skew of apps/services as listed per the thread in my sig.
Installed better battery stats, charged phone to 100% took off charge, and am just waiting to see how it goes now. Would you recommend using phone as normal while BBS collects its info, or to let the phone alone for a while?
thanks again,
Sun
SunHounD said:
Right,
I've performed another F/reset, and rooted. Installed TB pro, and uninstalled/frozen a skew of apps/services as listed per the thread in my sig.
Installed better battery stats, charged phone to 100% took off charge, and am just waiting to see how it goes now. Would you recommend using phone as normal while BBS collects its info, or to let the phone alone for a while?
thanks again,
Sun
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you can leave it alnoe during night to check if it deep sleeps properly, right now you're interested in cpu states option in bbs, to see if it uses too much cpu when doing normal tasks such as surfing, reading, watching/listening media etc. your goal is to get over 2 mins per 1% drain (in the end, over 3 hours of onscreen time with no heavy gaming). with those stats, your can say that your phone is draining normally, just that lg reports stupid stuff (f.e., stock roms report screen as using 20% of the battery, while in reality screen is using waaay more, the most actually)
Thanks Flying_Bear, I'll refrain from doing any more resets etc for the rest of the day, see how the readings progress and post on that tomorrow, after overnight analysis.
This piece of one of your previous posts just stuck in my mind:
Flying_Bear said:
i hope we manage to get to the bottom of this, but i still recommend unlocking bootloader and flashing custom kernel and/or rom. you can't really brick o4x while unlocking bootloader afaik, and you've done more complex operations when switching from 20a to 10h than bootloader unlock is.
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TBH, from everything I've been reading on it, it kind of scared me off the subject, but to see you say it was less complicated than what I've already done, has got me to thinking.
The biggest thing for me at the minute, before considering that, it to rule out faulty hardware. At least if thats the case, i still have warranty intact.
Is the performance increase really that noticeble after flashing custom kernels/roms?
Thanks again for your time,
Sun
no.
apart from everyone here praising custom roms and kernels, DON'T flash a custom rom, when you are concerned about battery.
the best rom out there regarding battery life is by far a stock rom, be it 4.0.3 or 4.1.2.
the worst thing about the custom roms is WiFi. with stock i was able to let WiFi run through the night with less than 1% loss per hour.
on every custom rom my battery needs at least 5% per hour for WiFi, but most of the time even more. its just not useable.
shortly followed by 3g network, which has a much bigger battery drain than stock, too.
i am on CM and different kernels for some month now and i consider going back to stock, because i want to leave WiFi on in the night, otherwise my phone eats up my 100MB free 3G traffic way too fast.
BUT...
the reason for your battery hungry phone is not the ROM, the kernel or the phone itself.
your battery drain is absolutely absurd for stock ROM and can only be caused by badly programmed apps you have running.
OR:
you have your phone relatively new and play with it EVERY FRICKIN MINUTE, which would be an explanation, too.
you said, you were able to watch a whole 2h movie with only 23% loss, that sounds like the stock ROM i know. on custom you would lose around 50% for this. but when your phone loses battery when you "play with the launcher", you maybe have installed a 3rd party launcher, that eats your power, are using facebook/skype/whatsapp/(insert any other badly coded program, that has no push mode), or have just fiddled with the developer settings a bit too much.
Because you noticed your battery drain with 4.1.2, too, then i suspect a badly coded app. these are the reason for nearly every battery drain (and the reason for wakelocks, too) apart from bad drivers in custom kernels, like the WiFi desaster all the custom rom users have here.
I think the only reason I would consider custom roms, is a performance increase.... If it wont give me one, then I see no point in going down that route.
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i am on CM and different kernels for some month now and i consider going back to stock, because i want to leave WiFi on in the night, otherwise my phone eats up my 100MB free 3G traffic way too fast.
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Totally agree, its why I refuse to enable data in the first place.
the reason for your battery hungry phone is not the ROM, the kernel or the phone itself.
your battery drain is absolutely absurd for stock ROM and can only be caused by badly programmed apps you have running.
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when I took the original screenies, in OP, I didnt really have much in the way of apps on it. I'd not long before done a clean flash, then removed some of the bloatware that came with it.
OR:
you have your phone relatively new and play with it EVERY FRICKIN MINUTE, which would be an explanation, too.
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At first yes... hey it was a new toy at the time. Novelty wore off about day 3 though.
you said, you were able to watch a whole 2h movie with only 23% loss, that sounds like the stock ROM i know. on custom you would lose around 50% for this. but when your phone loses battery when you "play with the launcher", you maybe have installed a 3rd party launcher, that eats your power, are using facebook/skype/whatsapp/(insert any other badly coded program, that has no push mode), or have just fiddled with the developer settings a bit too much.
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yeah, it handled a movie quite well, I was quite pleased with this. When i said messing with the menu, I just meant exploring the phone; no custom/3rd party launchers, no messing with Dev stuff.
At the minute now, the only extra apps on my phone are XDA Dev app, tapatalk4, BBS, TB-pro and root uninstaller pro.
Oh, and can I ask.... aside form the ability to "pimp" your phone out, or the extra customization, is there any benefit to flashing custom roms? As it cant be for better performance....
thanks
Sun
LamerDuck said:
no.
apart from everyone here praising custom roms and kernels, DON'T flash a custom rom, when you are concerned about battery.
the best rom out there regarding battery life is by far a stock rom, be it 4.0.3 or 4.1.2.
the worst thing about the custom roms is WiFi. with stock i was able to let WiFi run through the night with less than 1% loss per hour.
on every custom rom my battery needs at least 5% per hour for WiFi, but most of the time even more. its just not useable.
shortly followed by 3g network, which has a much bigger battery drain than stock, too.
i am on CM and different kernels for some month now and i consider going back to stock, because i want to leave WiFi on in the night, otherwise my phone eats up my 100MB free 3G traffic way too fast.
BUT...
the reason for your battery hungry phone is not the ROM, the kernel or the phone itself.
your battery drain is absolutely absurd for stock ROM and can only be caused by badly programmed apps you have running.
OR:
you have your phone relatively new and play with it EVERY FRICKIN MINUTE, which would be an explanation, too.
you said, you were able to watch a whole 2h movie with only 23% loss, that sounds like the stock ROM i know. on custom you would lose around 50% for this. but when your phone loses battery when you "play with the launcher", you maybe have installed a 3rd party launcher, that eats your power, are using facebook/skype/whatsapp/(insert any other badly coded program, that has no push mode), or have just fiddled with the developer settings a bit too much.
Because you noticed your battery drain with 4.1.2, too, then i suspect a badly coded app. these are the reason for nearly every battery drain (and the reason for wakelocks, too) apart from bad drivers in custom kernels, like the WiFi desaster all the custom rom users have here.
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yeah wifi can drain too much, but i had almost same stats on custom as on stock - 3-4% per hour if wifi is left on, with sync on and push notifications and blabla. you've got things going great if you have 1% per hour with wifi on.
lg has crammed up a whole lot of **** inside their stock rom - apart from useful stuff like proper mhl drivers, quickmemo, nice gallery & video apps, it's bloated to hell - mlt logging, ****ty launcher (imo), widgets that only work on stock launcher, "smart log service", RIDICULOUS throttling etc). you can root and uninstall most of these, but even then you might not get what you're looking for.
my best onscreen time on stock 4.1.2 20a/20b was 3 hours 3 minutes. that's with conservative use of wifi, 3g and almost no gaming. on custom rom & kernel, today i pumped out 3 hours 37 minutes, and was on 17% battery, when i plugged it in in order to recharge it. that was an obvious increase for me (keep in mind there were custom rom/kernel combinations that had me pulling barely 2 hours onscreen time).
you need unlocked bootloader for custom kernels, and say what you say but proper kernels ARE battery savers and performance enhancers. stock kernel has for some people insane issues with baseband_xmm wakelock (for me it was rediculous, 6% per hour drain when not using a phone and no deep sleep at all) and wipes didn't help with that; only custom kernel fixed it. it has RIDICULOUS (for emphasys) throttling effect, slowing your cores down to 1ghz each when battery hits 43 degrees celsius (which for me was around 20 seconds of normal usage on a hot day outside), which leaves you crippled if you're planning on doing any complex action with your phone.
alternative is - unlock bootloader, check custom roms and see if you like'em (Zaiben is f.e. debloated and improved stock, something OP might like, or he can go cm, or carbon or any other if he prefers custom features). if you don't, it's easy to flash a .kdz file back.
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yeah wifi can drain too much, but i had almost same stats on custom as on stock - 3-4% per hour if wifi is left on, with sync on and push notifications and blabla. you've got things going great if you have 1% per hour with wifi on.
lg has crammed up a whole lot of **** inside their stock rom - apart from useful stuff like proper mhl drivers, quickmemo, nice gallery & video apps, it's bloated to hell - mlt logging, ****ty launcher (imo), widgets that only work on stock launcher, "smart log service", RIDICULOUS throttling etc). you can root and uninstall most of these, but even then you might not get what you're looking for.
my best onscreen time on stock 4.1.2 20a/20b was 3 hours 3 minutes. that's with conservative use of wifi, 3g and almost no gaming. on custom rom & kernel, today i pumped out 3 hours 37 minutes, and was on 17% battery, when i plugged it in in order to recharge it. that was an obvious increase for me (keep in mind there were custom rom/kernel combinations that had me pulling barely 2 hours onscreen time).
you need unlocked bootloader for custom kernels, and say what you say but proper kernels ARE battery savers and performance enhancers. stock kernel has for some people insane issues with baseband_xmm wakelock (for me it was rediculous, 6% per hour drain when not using a phone and no deep sleep at all) and wipes didn't help with that; only custom kernel fixed it. it has RIDICULOUS (for emphasys) throttling effect, slowing your cores down to 1ghz each when battery hits 43 degrees celsius (which for me was around 20 seconds of normal usage on a hot day outside), which leaves you crippled if you're planning on doing any complex action with your phone.
alternative is - unlock bootloader, check custom roms and see if you like'em (Zaiben is f.e. debloated and improved stock, something OP might like, or he can go cm, or carbon or any other if he prefers custom features). if you don't, it's easy to flash a .kdz file back.
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Hi Flying_ Bear, can you pl confirm what combo of rom and kernel is giving you 3 hr 37 min of screen on time and which ones to avoid (ones that gave you 2 hrs)?
Carbon rom 4.2.2 version with iodak v7 had the best onsceen. Id say stock was worst, 2hrs 45mins of onscreen with no gaming and low brightness, with stock kernel
Hello all
i´ve got my 4x Hd since one month now, everything is okay but the battery live is terrible. In some reviews i read that the phone should get 6 hours of screen on time and a lot of users here say that they reach 2 days with this phone but the maximum i reached with my phone was 20 hours with 2 hours screen on time. And no, i dont play ANY games on my 4x and the screen is nearly on minimum brightness. I have tried EVERY Rom in this forum (rom folder contains 80gig, lol) but it is very hard to manage for me that the battery lasts a day. Better Battery stats says that Baseband wakelock and wifi wakelock drains the battery at most (even on v10h and v20a,I thought that these wakelocks are custom Rom related...?). Also ive tried a lot of battery saving tweaks like greenify for facebook, trickster mod to reduce voltages and underclock to 1ghz, but nothing helps much. I ordered a second battery too (polarcell) and it gives a light improvement, but coming over an day ist quite impossible...
I would be gratefull if someone can suggest me a good setup (Rom + Kernel + Apps) or some tipps to save battery...
Sorry for my "bad" english....:0
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Hello all
i´ve got my 4x Hd since one month now, everything is okay but the battery live is terrible. In some reviews i read that the phone should get 6 hours of screen on time and a lot of users here say that they reach 2 days with this phone but the maximum i reached with my phone was 20 hours with 2 hours screen on time. And no, i dont play ANY games on my 4x and the screen is nearly on minimum brightness. I have tried EVERY Rom in this forum (rom folder contains 80gig, lol) but it is very hard to manage for me that the battery lasts a day. Better Battery stats says that Baseband wakelock and wifi wakelock drains the battery at most (even on v10h and v20a,I thought that these wakelocks are custom Rom related...?). Also ive tried a lot of battery saving tweaks like greenify for facebook, trickster mod to reduce voltages and underclock to 1ghz, but nothing helps much. I ordered a second battery too (polarcell) and it gives a light improvement, but coming over an day ist quite impossible...
I would be gratefull if someone can suggest me a good setup (Rom + Kernel + Apps) or some tipps to save battery...
Sorry for my "bad" english....:0
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Search, read, don't ask questions that have been asked before...
SimonTS said:
Search, read, don't ask questions that have been asked before...
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According to what he has written, he seems to have searched and practiced a lot.
Please just ignore the question if you do not want to answer.
It is nearly impossible to filter good knowledge from a thread which has been started months ago so sometimes it is good to make a new start and share the most useful.
6 hours is overkill of onscreen time. 2 hours is what you should get with heavy use, 3 hours with moderate, 4h and up with video watching.
install custom rom and kernel, keep wifi and data off while phone is idle and you'll get miniscule discharge while the phone is not in use. if you need to sync messages or mails, use dsbattery saver, and let it turn on wifi/data once per hour for 2 minutes and force sync.
keeping data and wifi off will conserve a lot of battery.
baseband_xmm is weird wakelock. try werewolf kernel, as it seems he completely fixed it from overeating the battery. as for wifi lock, it seems that it's rom-related, and that stock has best stats with wifi on, but a bypass of that issue, is ofc, to use wifi only when you need it.
as for underclocking & changing governors, i didnt find that they increased battery life much (for me). only advice is to experiment, and from personal experience see what's the best you can pull off. (f.e., carbon 4.2.2 i could pump 4+ hours of onscreen time with medium use, but i've tested other (better) roms, with more functions, that i simply dont want to go back to it )
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According to what he has written, he seems to have searched and practiced a lot.
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If that is true then the OP should have been able to formulate his own opinion as to which ROM and Kernel works best for him. The simple fact is that if he's only had the phone a month and has tried every ROM then he has only run each one for about one day - that is not enough time to form any kind of opinion on how a ROM actually performs. By far the best thing is to choose 3 or 4 ROMs that have the features you want and try each one for a week, take copies of the Bettery Battery stats and review after doing those tests.
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Please just ignore the question if you do not want to answer.
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Don't tell me what I can and can't do. This forum is a complete mess because we constantly get the same questions asked over and over again.
postacik said:
It is nearly impossible to filter good knowledge from a thread which has been started months ago so sometimes it is good to make a new start and share the most useful.
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Threads started months ago? Really? Try putting the word 'battery' into the forum search engine and see just how many hits there are - even one started 3 days ago. This thread is no different to a 'Best ROM' thread - you will get 10 people replying and 11 different opinions as to what is best.
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Don't tell me what I can and can't do. This forum is a complete mess because we constantly get the same questions asked over and over again.
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I completely agree about the mess you describe but the mess will not stop by saying "search, read etc.". It's human nature, we're lazy.
Let those who want to answer, answer. Dumb and repetetive questions will be ignored anyway.
I'm sorry if I was being unpolite by my words, but that's definitely not what I intended so please let's not create more mess.
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6 hours is overkill of onscreen time. 2 hours is what you should get with heavy use, 3 hours with moderate, 4h and up with video watching.
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If everybody could understand this fact, there would be less questions on the forum.
No custom ROM or kernel can create miracles when the power consumption of the screen is the unchanging variable in the equation and you have to turn the screen on to use the phone.
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Lol, believe me, i know how to use xda and google and thsi is not my first time i´m on xda
Flying_Bear said:
6 hours is overkill of onscreen time. 2 hours is what you should get with heavy use, 3 hours with moderate, 4h and up with video watching.
install custom rom and kernel, keep wifi and data off while phone is idle and you'll get miniscule discharge while the phone is not in use. if you need to sync messages or mails, use dsbattery saver, and let it turn on wifi/data once per hour for 2 minutes and force sync.
keeping data and wifi off will conserve a lot of battery.
baseband_xmm is weird wakelock. try werewolf kernel, as it seems he completely fixed it from overeating the battery. as for wifi lock, it seems that it's rom-related, and that stock has best stats with wifi on, but a bypass of that issue, is ofc, to use wifi only when you need it.
as for underclocking & changing governors, i didnt find that they increased battery life much (for me). only advice is to experiment, and from personal experience see what's the best you can pull off. (f.e., carbon 4.2.2 i could pump 4+ hours of onscreen time with medium use, but i've tested other (better) roms, with more functions, that i simply dont want to go back to it )
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Thank you, actually i´m using a modded stock rom (p880-eur-20b-f1.zip) and because of wifi and data issues i moved to the werewolve kernel v8 because it promised to get rid of the wakelocks but everything stays the same...Disabling wifi is annoying but possible for me, but disabling data is no option because i need whatsapp....and i dont understand how a lot of people here say they have a good battery life without disabling anything... :l Carbon Rom had alot of other bugs for me (needed 10 seconds to show the lockscreen), 4.3 version was even worse for me :l
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If that is true then the OP should have been able to formulate his own opinion as to which ROM and Kernel works best for him. The simple fact is that if he's only had the phone a month and has tried every ROM then he has only run each one for about one day - that is not enough time to form any kind of opinion on how a ROM actually performs. By far the best thing is to choose 3 or 4 ROMs that have the features you want and try each one for a week, take copies of the Bettery Battery stats and review after doing those tests.
Threads started months ago? Really? Try putting the word 'battery' into the forum search engine and see just how many hits there are - even one started 3 days ago. This thread is no different to a 'Best ROM' thread - you will get 10 people replying and 11 different opinions as to what is best.
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The baseband, wifi and most of time nfc wakelock won´t go away, even if i use a rom 5 days, so where is your problem?!
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Battery had 31%, then i listened to music (turned wifi and mobile data off) and the battery was dead after 35 minutes, this can´t be normal, can it?
forgottnxd said:
Lol, believe me, i know how to use xda and google and thsi is not my first time i´m on xda
Thank you, actually i´m using a modded stock rom (p880-eur-20b-f1.zip) and because of wifi and data issues i moved to the werewolve kernel v8 because it promised to get rid of the wakelocks but everything stays the same...Disabling wifi is annoying but possible for me, but disabling data is no option because i need whatsapp....and i dont understand how a lot of people here say they have a good battery life without disabling anything... :l Carbon Rom had alot of other bugs for me (needed 10 seconds to show the lockscreen), 4.3 version was even worse for me :l
The baseband, wifi and most of time nfc wakelock won´t go away, even if i use a rom 5 days, so where is your problem?!
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Battery had 31%, then i listened to music (turned wifi and mobile data off) and the battery was dead after 35 minutes, this can´t be normal, can it?
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Wtf ??? When you listening to music phone runs 51mhz. I can listening about 2 days music. I think you have very many wakelocks I listen to music after 1h 2% was drained.
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Battery had 31%, then i listened to music (turned wifi and mobile data off) and the battery was dead after 35 minutes, this can´t be normal, can it?
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yeah, that's not normal. even with gaming it should last more than 30 minutes. my best advice is to dig deeper into the issue, see what's really wasting the battery. not many tips i can give, since my worst drainers were wakelocks, not apps using abnormal amount of battery while phone is active
I am using a sprint m7 that has been RUU'd back to stock 4.4.2 after problems with flashing a rom. The battery life doesn't last from when I go to school at 8 to coming home at 4 with maybe an hour of use. This is a shot of my stats: http://i.imgur.com/ATWiQ6t.png
Now, there is an update available, but after I download/install it, it takes me to through the setup process and literally wipes my data after the reboot.
Now, I don't know if there is actually something wrong with my phone, but I have had some really bad experiences with attempting to flash roms recently, and I always end up having to ruu back to stock.
Here are my wakelocks: http://i.imgur.com/kBEzRVv.png
So, does anyone have any suggestions about improvement or what I should do? I have seen many posts in many different places online, but there is really no clear, concise fix known. Thanks.
MRock419 said:
I am using a sprint m7 that has been RUU'd back to stock 4.4.2 after problems with flashing a rom. The battery life doesn't last from when I go to school at 8 to coming home at 4 with maybe an hour of use. This is a shot of my stats: http://i.imgur.com/ATWiQ6t.png
Now, there is an update available, but after I download/install it, it takes me to through the setup process and literally wipes my data after the reboot.
Now, I don't know if there is actually something wrong with my phone, but I have had some really bad experiences with attempting to flash roms recently, and I always end up having to ruu back to stock.
Here are my wakelocks: http://i.imgur.com/kBEzRVv.png
So, does anyone have any suggestions about improvement or what I should do? I have seen many posts in many different places online, but there is really no clear, concise fix known. Thanks.
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Are you rooted? If so, install Greenify and run it. It's great for solving wakelocks. I had some battery problems for a while myself, and found the biggest culprit for me was poor service / searching for service. Sounds surprising, I know. I've also read (and found it to be true), that you need to give your new operating system 3-4 full discharges of the battery to get an accurate feel for battery life. One other thing I've noticed is when the green LED comes on, it doesn't necessarily mean your battery is 100% charged. It will slow the charging to a trickle that can take a long time to completely top off your charge. For instance, I would unplug my One, and 10 minutes later have 95% charge and have done nothing to show for it.
Between RUU's, you could always make a backup on your computer of your important data, that way you can keep it stored in a safe place. I prefer going the USG-OTG route, but that's due to my so-so computer.
Are you S-OFF, and what recovery have you been using? I'm also curious what ROMs you have struggled with. I've dabbled with a lot of different ones and have finally settled into 2 different Sense6 Roms.
Hello everybody,
I saw probably every review on youtube about this device but none of them can satisfy my questions.
Every phone that i had was great at the beginning, smooth, quick, good battery and no problem... But with the time, i used to install a lot of application, used a lot of memory (SD) and leave my phone always awake. This lead me to have, after few month, always my phone super slow and have an huge battery drain. i Tried custom rom, tried cyanogen, nothing changed (first flash than super slow)
Is this phone fast, stable and with good battery life even full filled with apps?
I dream to buy a phone and put my every stuff once, zero factory reset, zero grenify or amplify... only usability.
If some of you use the smatphone like me, please give some advices.
I would like to comparing it to iphone 7, cause is the smartphone that is more near to my requests.
Thanks guys for your time
Go for it! But keep in mind that every update should be followed by a factory reset. So you shouldn't update your phone for your habits. Cheers!
FiloSvR said:
Hello everybody,
I saw probably every review on youtube about this device but none of them can satisfy my questions.
Every phone that i had was great at the beginning, smooth, quick, good battery and no problem... But with the time, i used to install a lot of application, used a lot of memory (SD) and leave my phone always awake. This lead me to have, after few month, always my phone super slow and have an huge battery drain. i Tried custom rom, tried cyanogen, nothing changed (first flash than super slow)
Is this phone fast, stable and with good battery life even full filled with apps?
I dream to buy a phone and put my every stuff once, zero factory reset, zero grenify or amplify... only usability.
If some of you use the smatphone like me, please give some advices.
I would like to comparing it to iphone 7, cause is the smartphone that is more near to my requests.
Thanks guys for your time
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Every storage hardware suffers from this issue, its not phone related or OS related..
when the memory of the phone fills the software needs more time to do stuff on the device such as opening apps, transfering files, etc.. its same like when you have a closet filled with clothes, if you have 1 jacket in the closet its easy to find it, you see it first and you just take it but if your closet is filled up with bunch of clothes its harder to find that jacket and you need more time to find it and take it
Computers suffer from this too, HDD and SSD but HDD suffer more because they are slower so if you dont want this to happen you need to keep your phone clean, dont fill up the storage to max and keep unistalling apps you dont use, same as pictures and music...
maybe one day we invent something which wont suffer from this but until time you're in bad luck
Isus <3 said:
Every storage hardware suffers from this issue, its not phone related or OS related..
when the memory of the phone fills the software needs more time to do stuff on the device such as opening apps, transfering files, etc.. its same like when you have a closet filled with clothes, if you have 1 jacket in the closet its easy to find it, you see it first and you just take it but if your closet is filled up with bunch of clothes its harder to find that jacket and you need more time to find it and take it
Computers suffer from this too, HDD and SSD but HDD suffer more because they are slower so if you dont want this to happen you need to keep your phone clean, dont fill up the storage to max and keep unistalling apps you dont use, same as pictures and music...
maybe one day we invent something which wont suffer from this but until time you're in bad luck
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Thanx for the answers but you didn't understood my question.
Of course memories slow down if filled, but a smartphone have to be used, if I have to keep it clean all the time it kill the usability.
background operations are the one that slow down mostly, this is why a smartphone with few apps is more quick. But powerful and well developed phones have to remains quick.
Im searching advises from the ones that use the smartphone hardly,so I can try to understand how it's op3 under real stress.
Thanks for the time.
FiloSvR said:
Thanx for the answers but you didn't understood my question.
Of course memories slow down if filled, but a smartphone have to be used, if I have to keep it clean all the time it kill the usability.
background operations are the one that slow down mostly, this is why a smartphone with few apps is more quick. But powerful and well developed phones have to remains quick.
Im searching advises from the ones that use the smartphone hardly,so I can try to understand how it's op3 under real stress.
Thanks for the time.
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You wont notice any lag or slow downs trust me
I just switched from a Moto Z Play to this phone. I love this phone but the battery is crap in comparison. If you want a phone that will get you through the day NO MATTER WHAT, check out Moto Z Play. There IS performance trade off though. As there will always be.
gpgorbosjr said:
I just switched from a Moto Z Play to this phone. I love this phone but the battery is crap in comparison. If you want a phone that will get you through the day NO MATTER WHAT, check out Moto Z Play. There IS performance trade off though. As there will always be.
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My phone gets me through the day and the performance is amazing. Do i really have to get a moto z?
954wrecker said:
My phone gets me through the day and the performance is amazing. Do i really have to get a moto z?
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The OP is talking about he likes to install a maximum number of apps and is having serious battery drain and asked if this phone is for him.
Based off what he is asking I'd have to say no. It may be the way *he* uses the phone as opposed to the phone itself. But, he is asking for HIMSELF, and not for you.
I am not really a "power" user who is on my phone all day, but I do use my phone a lot. I text a so-so amount, make a lot of 1 minute phone calls for work, play a game here or there and listen to Pandora or Play Music for about 4-5 hours. The phone does not last me all day. I get about 3-4 hours SOT when all is said and done. I don't even use apps like Facebook or Messenger although I do use Instagram....
This same usage pattern would yield me about 50-60% battery life on my Z Play at the end of the day, where as I can't get through the day without charging my 3T.
It isn't a knock on the phone. It just has a smaller battery and worse power management due to the Z Play's processor.
If the guy wants to come on here and say he loves to fill his phone up with apps and always encounters battery drain without analyzing his usage patterns and how he can improve them, why not suggest him a phone that will make it through the day even if he wants to install it full of apps and have it wakelock every minute?
You are correct, it's definitely not the phone, it's the user for sure
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My phone gets me through the day and the performance is amazing. Do i really have to get a moto z?
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Those stat are awesome!
In my current phone im using greenify + amplify + sd maid, what did you do for reach that results?
I'm not against optimize the phone in order to have better stats, the problem is that every time you get a new sw release you have to do everything again...
I have arch linux in the ultrabook, i have configured it once. it is a rolling release OS so i don't need to do it again. In that situation I'm happy to do it, in fact i reached the same battery life of windows (even little more).
In android instead, every update i have to configure everything again... hoping that there aren't bugs or problems...
I'm against factory reset, cause it means wasting days for configurations...