I'm having an issue that is driving me nuts. I'm trying to get MHL hdmi connection to work with my Note 4 to my Kenwood DNN991HD head unit in my car.
I was very quickly able to get BOTH my Note 3 and my Galaxy S5 connected to my DNN991HD & working perfectly using a 5 to 11 pin adapter. Both of these phones are MHL 2.0 according to Samsung spec sheet, versus the Note 4 which Samsung says is MHL 3.0 , but to my understanding should be backwards compatible.
I have another adapter, the powered Samsung MHL adapter (ET-H10FAUWESTA), that I use with my Note 4 & Samsung TV, it works beautifully and connects right up, though I do use this with power from the wall charger.
As far as I know, MHL 2 can run on 900-1500 mA , whereas MHL 3 runs on 2000 mA
The Kenwood DNN991HD spec sheet says it supports MHL 2.0 , and supplies 900mA of power to the MHL cable (I think this is my problem!!) ... I'm REALLY trying to avoid having to pull out the unit though it looks like I will have to swap out the cable, but my other main concern is, I have a 1 free usb port that supplies 1000 mA power + 900 mA from the HDMI, so I would still be 100 mA short. My cigarette lighter port puts out 1500 mA but is already taken up by my radar. Anyone know if I can get a socket splitter that maintains 1500 mA to each socket?
I think I'm already leading myself towards the answer to this issue as I work through it but I would appreciate if anyone can chime in with useful input.
1) Should MHL theoretically work with the older non-powered 5 to 11 pin adapter if it is supplied with 2000 mA current through the MHL cable ?
2) Is it an absolute requirement for MHL 3.0 that the device recieves 2000 mA current or is it possible to run on less draw and limit resolution to 1080p?
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Hi team,
I just bought an HDMI cable to connect by phone to the TV. The problem is that the cable just wont fit in to Note1. However, it works perfectly fine with Note 2.
I can use the same charger to charge my Note 1 and Note 2. But the HDMI cable port just wont fit inside Note 1 as if its not meant for it. I tried to push it but it refuses to connect.
AFAIK, HDMI cables are universal and can be used on any phones which supports this feature. I may be wrong.
Any ideas what is causing this issue?
lifehijack said:
Hi team,
I just bought an HDMI cable to connect by phone to the TV. The problem is that the cable just wont fit in to Note1. However, it works perfectly fine with Note 2.
I can use the same charger to charge my Note 1 and Note 2. But the HDMI cable port just wont fit inside Note 1 as if its not meant for it. I tried to push it but it refuses to connect.
AFAIK, HDMI cables are universal and can be used on any phones which supports this feature. I may be wrong.
Any ideas what is causing this issue?
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Don't know how it looks on Note 2, but all Note 1 has is USB port into which fits only USB.
Sending screen to other devices is done with MHL converter, which has USB plug which goes to Note, USB port for external power and HDMI port for connecting to TV. I'm sure more info can be found in accessories forum.
PS. I have a vague feeling that questions should generally be posted in Q&A forum...
p107r0 said:
Don't know how it looks on Note 2, but all Note 1 has is USB port into which fits only USB.
Sending screen to other devices is done with MHL converter, which has USB plug which goes to Note, USB port for external power and HDMI port for connecting to TV. I'm sure more info can be found in accessories forum.
PS. I have a vague feeling that questions should generally be posted in Q&A forum...
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The man is bang on, there's no hdmi port on any phone AFAIK... Mhl ports vary pins on generation of phone, so the note2 matches the s3 and I think the s2 matches the note, but it usually states on the product page which models they fit.
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Hi there, It looks like a Y shaped cable. One end goes into the phone (charger port) and on the other side, there are 2 wires (ports), one goes into the HDMI port on the TV and the other goes into the USB port on the TV. The USB port does the job of charging the phone simultaneously while the HDMI does the job of extending the screen from phone to TV. There is no MHL adapter. The cable does all the job.
On the package, it says for Galaxy S3 so I guess it will work only with S3 and Note 2. I need to buy one more which is compatible with S2 and Note1.
My only question is that since the charging port on Note1 and Note2 is similar, how come there is still a compatibility issue with Note1? I was under the impression that the cable/port would be standard for these Samsung android phones and if it fits into Note2, then why note on Note1?
That's called an mhl adapter. The port in the phone is micro usb, so the signal is converted to hdmi.
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I've been looking forever for an Android-compatible (data pins 'shorted') and I thought I found it tonight. RCA 4 Port USB Charger, has a switch on it to switch between Apple and Android.
Except it switches ONE of the four ports. Fail.
I was originally looking for Cooper 2 Port at Lowes but couldn't find it.
Anyone know of any such wall outlet replacements that work without modification, or "charge" cables etc?
I intended to follow up on this sooner.. I got an Anker 25W/5A 5 port charger and it works great. It puts out max 2.1 Amps on two ports, 1A on the other three. My G2 charges at 1.7A on it, so it works great.
I generally have my Nexus 7 (2012) and the G2 charging on it at the same time, no problems.
http://www.amazon.com/Anker-Charger-Samsung-Android-Devices/dp/B00DVH62J2
Hi all,
I thought I'd share what I've found working as a USB charger for the Nook HD+.
1) USB 3.0 ports on a computer (slower charge at 900mA)
2) Powered USB 3.0 hub (slower charge at 900mA)
3) Philips SPS8038B Relocatable Power Tap (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Office-Desktop-Charging-Station/dp/B00865TV2Y)
4) SPRINT CTC-2USB-5V2A car/home charger (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA20211P5919)
Please add if you have any other USB chargers that work!
Lenovo Miix 2 8 charger. Lenovo P/N 36200540, Model AD897F23 provides 5.2V/2.0A
Any USB charger with short-circuited D+/D- pins should work (standard now, except for Apple and maybe a few others). That's how the Nook HD+ recognizes a dedicated charger vs. a USB data connection. Only if the data pins are shorted will it go into fast charge mode (up to 2000 mA), otherwise it'll limit its current intake to 500 mA.
Tzul said:
Any USB charger with short-circuited D+/D- pins should work (standard now, except for Apple and maybe a few others). That's how the Nook HD+ recognizes a dedicated charger vs. a USB data connection. Only if the data pins are shorted will it go into fast charge mode (up to 2000 mA), otherwise it'll limit its current intake to 500 mA.
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I got 2 usb chargers from Amazon with multiple ports & does work on the Nook HD+ for me.
1) iXCC ® Dual USB 4.2 Amp (20 Watt) SMART High Capacity [High Power] AC Travel Wall Charger - ChargeWise (tm) Technology [High Speed] FAST Charging for Apple iPhone 5s 5c 5; ipad air; iPad Air mini (Retina Display); iPad 4; ipad2; Samsung Galaxy S5 S4 S3; Note 2 and Note 3; the new HTC One (M8); Google Nexus and More [Black]. I got the Blue model.
2) Anker® 40W 5-Port Family-Sized Desktop USB Charger with PowerIQ™ Technology for iPhone 5s 5c 5; iPad Air mini; Galaxy S5 S4; Note 3 2; the new HTC One (M8); Nexus and More (White) May be overkill for some.
Found that the SIIg usb 2 amp charger won't work or get recognized by the Nook HD+; it's marketed as for the crapple's ipod/ipad. A signal of incompatibility is if it says for Apple products.
I had a Nook Color charger left after I moved up to an HD+ (a friend gave it to me with no charger), works great!
Charger for Samsung galaxy tab 3 t217a does work perfectly
And any lg charger (5.1V) works as well
The EasyAcc 5 port chargers work as well. The different ports each have different labels and specs. The 2x iPad and 1x iPhone ports won't charge the Nook HD. The Samsung Tab port charges the Nook HD at full speed (I have the 7 inch Nook HD). edit: I think the Android labelled port might charge full speed as well.
EasyAcc amazon US: http://www.amazon.com/EasyAcc®-Fami...words=EasyAcc+Multi+Port+USB+Portable+Charger
EasyAcc amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/EasyAcc®-Po...qid=1408740111&sr=1-1&keywords=EasyAcc+5-Port
How to (maybe) get it cheaper: EasyAcc has a UK/Europe ebay store. On ebay UK I put in a bid at about 80% of the normal retail price. I didn't win but when the auction ended EasyAcc contacted me (I think they contacted the five highest bidders who didn't win) and offered me the product at the price I bid.
hello members.
i posted this thread as i dint found any comparision time for chargin between 2 diffrent cables. 2.0 vs 3.0
i found the same charging time on both 2.0(regular micro usb) vs 3.0
it seems 3.0 only helps for very fast data transfers..
(hope this info is useful
Yup.. There will be no difference in charging time as there are no power pins in the extra Usb 3 lines.
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I use USB 3.0 cables and it is much faster for both, charging and data transfer.
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declan8888 said:
I use USB 3.0 cables and it is much faster for both, charging and data transfer.
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Download galaxy charging lite from the play store and check the incoming current. It's the same for microusb 2.0 & 3.0.
Maximum of 1800, usually charges at 1200 w/ screen on.
If you claim that charging is faster with the multipurpose cable, show screenshots.
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Maximum of 1800, usually charges at 1200 w/ screen on.
If you claim that charging is faster with the multipurpose cable, show screenshots.
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Apologies, I was incorrect. Falling for my own placebo!
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I have both s5 and note3, tested with both USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 charger. It's just same output, time or charging current. Transfer speed, I didn't know because my PC not have USB 3.0 port
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Your conclusion is misleading. You probably won't find a difference between USB 2 & 3 if you are using data cables as your phone limits it's draw to about 0.5A to protect lower specd USB ports.
If you want faster charging and in particular, take advantage of the higher current that is available from AC adapters or many newer USB 2/3 ports, then you need to use a charging cable. This is not the same as a data (multipurpose) cable. A charging cable has the data lines shorted to tell the phone that you are connected to a high current or at least protected source and it should go ahead and draw as much current as it can use (or is available if the port is current limited, but protected).
Of course, it should go without saying that if you use a power cable with a conventional USB 2 port, you are circumventing the safety protection and may damage your USB port.
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This is interesting, my phone will recognize my (2 amp) AC charger as AC, yet with data cable it'll only go 550 ma according to that app (450 if recognized as USB). If I switch to a charging cable it'll take 1.2 amp from the same charger. Strange logic.
Well maybe its just me but my phone actually DOES seem to charge faster with the new 3.0. Like a lot faster.
Maybe it is "placebo" as you say but for me it really is faster. Just my 2cents.
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What lead comes with the Galaxy S5 in UK retail packaging?
Usb 2 unfortunately.
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Usb 2 unfortunately.
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the cable doesnt make any difference its the charger that needs to be higher
It's the charger that should be shorting out the data lines, not the cable. I would think that a cable that did this would pose a risk that, if inadvertently used to connect a phone to a regular USB port instead of a charger, could cause the phone to think it can draw more power than the port can safely provide, and subsequently overload and damage the USB hub.
Whereas a charger that shorts out the data lines can be used with any standard USB cable.
Maximum power ratings are a different matter, though. AFAIK, standard USB 2.0 connectors only need to be rated at 1.5A current to be compliant, but charging ports and cables (i.e. those compliant with the Battery Charging Specification) need to be rated to handle at least 5A - although, this is in spite of the maximum draw of 1.5A anyway.
with USB 3.0 and standard charger reached battery from 12 percent to 92 about 80 min
I've heard about 20% charging difference and I think it's true
Mahdian57 said:
with USB 3.0 and standard charger reached battery from 12 percent to 92 about 80 min
I've heard about 20% charging difference and I think it's true
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This is about what I get with my supplied wall charger and cable. Its nice being able to use the phone and still get a charge at the same time. My Nexus 5 would only maintain a charge level and not gain any charge when being used.
One day last week I forgot my spare battery and had to use my mini USB cable I have at work connected to my computer and it took most of the day to go from 15% to full charge. The S5 has the best battery life out of any phone I've had so far but I wish they would release 4.4.4 for us as I saw a noticeable improvement in battery life with my Nexus 5 when i put 4.4.4 on it.
USB 3.0 Charging
So as most of you have come to realize, there is no difference in the basic way that USB 2.0 to USB 3.0 cables carry current to the device. The extra pins in a 3.0 cable are for full duplex, (bi-directional data transfer) at really fast speeds, up to 4 GB/s.
USB output is rated at 5V. The output current from different brand computers might reach 600ma. The current is regulated to avoid overheating the cable and computer power supply. The extra twisted pair of wire in a USB 3.0 cable enable a bit more current handling... up to 900ma.
The reason your newer Samsung charges the device faster is that the new power adapter (mine is white) has a current output of 2.0 Amps. The older power adapters had a rated output of 750ma, 3/4 of an amp. Result.. The new power adapter system facilitates fast charging.
I'm guessing that they spec'd the higher output charger to match the higher power usage profiles of the latest Samsung Galaxy products. I remain a fan of slow to medium charging rates to preserve the life and charge cycles of the battery. High rates yield more heat which can shorten the life of the cell structure.
Hope this explanation helps.
Chris
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Yup.. There will be no difference in charging time as there are no power pins in the extra Usb 3 lines.
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Take heed of this response - it's the most useful one here. There is no difference between charging via a usb 2 and usb 3 cable as long as both are decent quality (recommended 23awg gauge minimum for 2amps).
The extra usb 3 pins don't carry any additional power wires.
Ensure you're using good quality cables as mentioned above - look for 23awg (gauge of the wires within the cable) printed on the cable (all original and genuine Samsung cables are rated at this) and a 2A charger (again, recommended to use original and genuine Samsung charger) and there will be absolutely no difference between usb 2 and 3 cables.
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usb 3 charges faster.
Those who say that usb 2 needs the same time as usb 3 don't know what they are talking about.
I won't talk or pretend that I know a lot about tech but here are some real results that doesn't come out of my head.
Usb 2 cables max amp is 450mha and I have tried 3 different cables a Motorola ,my HTC one X and a plain usb 2 cable that I have .All 3 of them gets 400 or 450 mha.
But when I use the original Samsung usb 3 ,a cheap China usb 3 or my black usb 3 from my external drive the Samsung let's 1800 mha to pass by.
All test are done with the original Samsung charger and a cheap 5 dollar one which I don't use much because when the phone is not charging it makes a weird sound.
And the only way what I say is not true is that my s5 detects the kind of usb I have and limits the charge which in result is the same thing.
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Those who say that usb 2 needs the same time as usb 3 don't know what they are talking about.
I won't talk or pretend that I know a lot about tech but here are some real results that doesn't come out of my head.
Usb 2 cables max voltage is 450mha and I have tried 3 different cables a Motorola ,my HTC one X and a plain usb 2 cable that I have .All 3 of them gets 400 or 450 mha.
But when I use the original Samsung usb 3 ,a cheap China usb 3 or my black usb 3 from my external drive the Samsung let's 1800 mha to pass by.
All test are done with the original Samsung charger and a cheap 5 dollar one which I don't use much because when the phone is not charging it makes a weird sound.
And the only way what I say is not true is that my s5 detects the kind of usb I have and limits the charge which in result is the same thing.
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Bless you.
So nice to finally realise there is such a limit to usb 2 cables.
Going to shoot myself quietly for living all this time in a lie.
Extra points for measuring Voltage in Amps.
ogremount said:
Bless you.
So nice to finally realise there is such a limit to usb 2 cables.
Going to shoot myself quietly for living all this time in a lie.
Extra points for measuring Voltage in Amps.
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There is no limit and this guy has no idea what he's talking about. There are no extra power wires in the usb cable - in both a usb2 & usb3 cables there is a positive and negative wire which provides power to the device period.
FYI, voltage and amps are 2 completely separate measurements which only compounds the stupidity of his response...
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Anyone bought it yet? Does it come with a special USB cable?
It is my understanding that usb 2.0 cables only provide a maximum current of 1.5 amp amp (charging only, no data transmission - see here http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB ) , while the Quick-charge 2.0 tech pulls up to 3 amps so I don't understand how it's possible to provide such current.
Can someone please explain?
Cheers
It is the port that limits the current not the cable.
They also do. But not only.
Check here http://lifehacker.com/cables-can-significantly-impact-the-charging-speed-of-y-1532784722
I don't think you have anything to worry about as long as you're not using really long cables where you could see voltage and current drop over distance. Also only using original or at least avoiding the cheap eBay / Amazon ones.
Wire is wire at the end of the day, and for the low current we're talking about here it's not likely to burn up.
Just tried with the Incipio quick charge 2.0 car charger and the small micro usb cable for charging only that came with a anker Bluetooth speaker I bought a month ago and, while quicker than cheap car charger I had, the the amperage was a steady 1,3 amp, which dosent match with the "up to 3 amp" Qualcomm advertised