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I think this is the big question. Never have I been so fuzzy about choosing a phone. I have got hold of LG G2 (which got warm, produces antutu scores of louzy 20 000, has aggressive noise reduction on photos and a screen that did not survive a 20 cm droptest after 24 hours - now in repair) and currently a 48 hour old Z1 that produces a little less noize after the last update, but eats away battery when capturing photos and occasionally gets so warm that it shuts down the camera app. Crikey! These new devices. I was actually seriously considering requesting my old xperia S back!
After googling for 12 hours I could not find answers to the following, so I sent the questions to Sony and are waiting for an answer:
1. Is it a sensor\hardware or a software issue that produces this amount of grain and noize, particulary in the 50% peripheral part of the picture?
Without uploading any picture: the computer screen matrix is evenly lit and "perfect". A macro shot before the update showed marked noize in the periphery. It still does after the latest update, but it is far from as good. This makes me inclined to say that the lenses (under macro shots at least) has peripheral distortion.
2. Some rumour say that different batches of phones are of different quality. Needless to say: this has been the case on some previous massproduced gadgeds, and different fabrics might have different production quality. I have read that low quality items often are sold slightly cheaper on Ebay. So; anyone got some more "evidence" to prove such a suspicion for Z1? If so: what batches should we try to avoid?
To be honest, i think you should avoid Sony completely and do all of us a favour, if you are not prepared to read or search threads then you are not worthy of Sony or any other products. 'Pensky Material' you are not!
At the very least use the built in spell checker!
Hey there, I'm planning to give back my g3 to amazon spend 20€ more and get the z3c...
I know this is the z3c forum so I will get more positive reviews about it.
Some extra info: I keep using my nexus 7 2013 for reading and video, with the G3 I didn't use the nexus 7 2013 at all these days so if I keep the G3 I think I will sell the tablet.
G3 foto gets really good with XCam from xdabebb although you can't modify so many values as the z3c manual mode 20 megapixel...
Battery: G3 can give me 5 hours SOT MAX in a day of use, if I forget to charge it It wont get through the second day.
The best thing I like about the LG G3 are the thin bezels and the fact of a 5.5 inch into so small sizes + the screen for multimedia purposes can substitute tablet use.
The worst thing about the LG G3 is the size for 1 hand is nearly impossible and dangerous (phone can easily fall), and the battery + the camera is only good with xdabbeb camera XCam and now with lollipop LG has removed many functionalities about the hardware of the camara that can be accesed
Sorry for the long post
TL.DR: Why should I get Z3 Compact over G3, provide some links in your answers (even I've searched in google quite a lot and not many people compare these 2 due to different screen sizes)
I come from the LG G2 (1 year) -> Amazon Firephone (3 months)-> z3 compact (3 months so far) . However I help my friend to buy a LG G3 and use if for a couple of days. Technically, the LG G3 is mostly identical to the LG G2 (slightly bigger in screen and size, same camera, battery capacity, design and internals (S801 is just an overclocked s800)) However, when the G2 has very good battery life, the G3 is just average. G3 has better camera focus time thanks to laser sensor, but the image quality is mostly the same (they uses the same Sony sensor) The reason I switch to the Z3 compact is G3 is mostly the same as G2 and I need to upgrade my smartphone, as my father love to use the G2, and he's still using. And I advise 4 of my friends to buy sony devices. Our group now have 1 z3, 4 z3 compacts.
The reason for buying z3 compact is:
+ water proof: trust me, my s4 died for just drop into the water for 3 seconds. This z3c has several times accidentally into the water and she lives well. Plus one time listening to music under the heavy rain for more than 1 hour.
+ battery: The best battery life device for more than 10 smartphones I've used in my life. My habit is charge the phone over-night and I have to plug it in normally at 40-50%, 30% on the intensive day and even 70% on the easy one.
+ speakers: It has 2 stereo speakers towards your ears. Most of the other smartphone including LG and has speaker grill at the bottom (one ear in landscape mode) or in the back ?? after using phones with front-facing speakers, you will never go back. And my daddy love my mother's Moto G 2014 just because of those speakers haha.
The reason to not buy the z3 compact is:
-screen size: Depends. Yeah it's very efficiently designed since it has 4.6 inches screen and much smaller than the 4.7 inches galaxy alpha and Iphone 6. However, 4.6 can be considered too small for some. You can buy the z3 in this case, keep in mind that the bigger Z3 doesn't have the as good screen-size ratio as the z3 compact
-camera: IMX 220 is the very good camera (proven in other devices. However, I don't know why Sony can introduce the very bad camera software. It's hard to use, it's complicated, it re-focus when you hit the button even when you already focused just before. Plus, the camera software stays the same without any major updates for nearly 2 years since the z1 and z1 compact. It's a joke when Sony keeps updating theirs other apps like Walkman (now music), Gallery, launcher, themes, major android updates. And don't get me wrong, z3c camera is really good, it just cannot cope with the potential of the sensor itself, and ironically they are the maker of the sensor ha ha. And please not to forget the 2MP front facing camera is just average (with f 2.8 and bad quality) if you are the selfie person.
In conclusion, I'm very satisfied with the z3 compact and will stick with it for a long time.
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G3 has better camera focus time thanks to laser sensor, but the image quality is mostly the same (they uses the same Sony sensor)
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Hello thanks for your post it was very usefull for me, I also owned the G2 for a while and I must say, from what I remember, the camera noise is much lower in the G3 under low light conditions. The main reason I want to get the z3c is due to the camera (in manual mode you can get impressive pictures & auto mode is improving from what I've read) and the battery. The biggest con I see with the z3c is non-removable battery. When the battery life ends it will mean you have to throw it away or take it to the service center and pay a big amount of money to get a new one.
EDIT: Damn, didn't read you already have a G3, curse my lack of reading skills.
I don't know much about the Z3C as I haven't had much contact with it besides playing with it at some store, but I suppose I can tell you a little bit about my G3
Pros:
+Screen size and resolution - it's just perfect for watching vids, playing games and browsing stuff in your bed. Everything you see is incredibly sharp due to the horrendous resolution. I can definetely say there is a difference between my dad's Z1 (it's FullHD, while Z3C is just HD so the difference is even bigger) and my G3 in terms of clarity of the display. You can literally read ant's-****-sized text.
+Camera - it produces really nice shots, in good surroundings it can give birth to magnificent images you will be proud of. And having the laser focus makes you feel like a James Bond... sometimes
+Performance - yes, the QHD sometimes makes the CPU a bit sweaty, but overall there is little to be desired. You may be disappointed if you expect your phone to switch to landscape mode in a blink, but for a simple user it is absolutely ok.
+Pretty and slim design - not as flamboyant as your favourite drag queen, but I really like the way it looks. Altough it is more like a matter of taste.
+Physical buttons placement - it may seem weird at first, but you will like it.
+Durability - I squeezed it many times in my pocket by sitting or kneeling abruptly, yet nothing happened and after six months my device still looks great. Also, the screen is really scratch resistant, there is no need to purchase any screen protector.
+Great standby time - it will live a looooooong life if you just leave it idle.
+Mod-friendly - easy to root, easy to flash, you can restore it no problem if you screw something up (no fear of permanently damaging the camera like in Z3C's case)
+Removable battery - you will love it if your phone gets stuck for some reason. Just pull the battery and all the bad dreams are gone!
Not-pros:
-Overheating - yep, sometimes it gets hotter than girls in your browser history. Hovewer, it occurs only if you push the phone to the limit.
-Need of tinkering - I mean, LG screwed up the software a little bit so you may want to get rid of some of the annoyances like screen oversharpening (it was so annoying that I've decided to root the device just to repair this one goddamn thing, I couldn't stand my mom's face oversharpened), heating, battery life, etc.
-Battery life - not as good as Z3C's, expect it to have 4-5h SOT and be battery hungry at the end of the day if you use it a lot. There are no perks like Stamina mode, though it can be dealt with through rooting or simply buying a bigger battery.
-Plastic - it doesn't feel as premium as the Z3, it emits some creaky sounds if squeezed, the back of the phone can get scratched if you place it on a harsh surface.
-Dimmed screen - not useless in a direct sunlight, but you will have a hard time reading the text on it.
-Not waterproof - unfortunately it's not as resilient as your ex-friend's head, you shouldn't try to flush it down the toilet.
-No stereo speakers - not like it is really needed on a mobile phone imo, but still.
So the way I see it... if you like small screens, perfect performance, topnotch battery life and water resistance, go for Z3C. But if these things aren't that crucial for you, then you won't be disappointed with LG's flagship child... oh wait, isn't G4 out already? Too lazy to check it, but this can only result in one thing - price drop.
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So the way I see it... if you like small screens, perfect performance, topnotch battery life and water resistance, go for Z3C. But if these things aren't that crucial for you, then you won't be disappointed with LG's flagship child... oh wait, isn't G4 out already? Too lazy to check it, but this can only result in one thing - price drop.
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Thanks for your opinion, I've been using the G3 for 1 week or so and I got exactly that, 4-5 hours SOT and at the end of the day you had to charge it. The worse part of the G3 in my opinion it is that it was too big and this made even worse the fragile/slipery feeling.
The camera are great in both smartphones, but just today I saw one which was even more amazing, the Microsoft Lumia 640 XL. I had it a while and besides 5.7 inch it felt very solid and comfortable. Now I'm between going full retard and buy the 640 XL for 200€ or the z3 compact for 350€. Both are the best in battery performance and camera (although 640XL goes a bit higher on both due to wp). But z3 compact being so smal and so good camera and battery...
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The worse part of the G3 in my opinion it is that it was too big and this made even worse the fragile/slipery feeling.
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Maybe it's just me and my sticky hands, but I haven't had any problems holding it. Never experienced any OMG-GONNA-DROP-IT scenarios (just being overly careful after shattering my last Samsung...). Moreover, I heard that the Z3C is more prone to being dropped due to the glass on the back... yet I'm not sure, the one I played with had some anti-theft gizmos attached to its back, so I couldn't compare :d.
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The camera are great in both smartphones, but just today I saw one which was even more amazing, the Microsoft Lumia 640 XL. I had it a while and besides 5.7 inch it felt very solid and comfortable. Now I'm between going full retard and buy the 640 XL for 200€ or the z3 compact for 350€. Both are the best in battery performance and camera (although 640XL goes a bit higher on both due to wp). But z3 compact being so smal and so good camera and battery...
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Yea, Lumias are great photo-taking devices, but you would have to settle for Windows Phone, which is... well, let's say that not everybody likes it. But it's your call, as an Android fanboy I would, of course, choose the Xperia, even though it's photo capabilities may be a bit behind Lumias.
Hey guys,
So, I'm seriously considering the MI5 but there are a few things that I'd like to clear up before I commit. First off, before going on the various forums on the net I pretty much had no clue how many bloody problems this phone seems to have. This whole forum is almost literally filled to the brim with various horror stories and such. Is this just bad luck/can at least a few people verify they have used their MI5 for at least 2-3 months with NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER? You know, like you would expect from any (esp. flagship) phone?
For the second question.. I was told that initially the low light performance of the camera was incredibly crap (well, for 2016 standards anyway) but that the updates since have actually made the low light camera even better than the S6 (which I find hard to believe 2.0 vs 1.9 but whatever). Anyways, can anyone here (with one of those handily happily working mi5's with no issues ) post some night time photography samples you've captured recently, and tell me more about it? The reason I'm asking both these questions is that I have the option of spending about 40e more for a pretty much brand new LG G5 with an additional camera friend (not that important, but hey, nice) or buying a new MI5. In both cases I really don't feel like I'm going to get much of a warranty.. I really do like the design of the MI5 way more, price too, but if the night time camera is still crappy and the phone is a total gamble on whether it will brick any or all of its parts at any given time, then I'm definitely going the LG route
Thanks in advance!
I don't have any problem other than a few software problem like memory management and android pay. The low light pics are **** as usual, but this is a hardware issue. Pixels are too small to capture light in a dark environment, you cannot do anything about it. If you want good low light photos, then find a phone with 12mp camera and 1.4µm+ pixel size.
I have been using P10 Plus (6/128 GB) for a day, and I am trying really hard to like it. I haven't found all the good/bad points yet but the list of bad things is already kind of outweighing the list of good things. Were my expectations really just too high?
These are really just my opinions, and you are free to disagree. Even I might change my mind if there are really good reasons to!
I might as well add that paid about $860 (in Norway) for my P10 Plus while Galaxy S8+ costs "slightly more" (about $1,000). I just feel like I got so little in return for the price I paid.
I have to decide by tomorrow anyway whether to keep this device or return it, and I am currently leaning towards returning it.
Thanks for any tips, advices, opinions, etc.
Good things:
Responsive fingerprint reader on the front side, unlocks screen pretty much instantly.
Has a nice shape (like an iPhone 7). No annoying sharp edges except at the bottom holes for connectors, where I support the device with my pinky finger.
Lots of camera settings.
My device luckily has UFS 2.1.
Pretty good WiFi speed (measured more than 200 Mbps during internet speed test).
The DAC's quality is okay (not very good). A little bit of noise when using my sensitive in-ear headphones, but it's very bearable. This is only a "good" point because it's an upgrade from my old phone.
Bad things:
I already found some sluggish menus on day one.
Somewhat bad performance when taking photos and shooting videos, even playing back videos I captured is somewhat choppy.
The device gets pretty hot during "normal" (in my opinion light) use, and really hot while charging and during "heavy" (in my opinion normal) use.
Seems like the battery drains more quickly than I expected as well (larger battery does not make it much or any better than P10) so that I still need to bring an extra battery with me if I intend to use mobile data and GPS.
The swiping on the fingerprint reader is a bit of a hit and miss because it might register a tap which means "back" (or exit).
Photos taken and saved as JPEG look bad. RAW images look quite a bit better but it takes seconds to save each image.
My GFXBench result is pretty bad compared to other devices.
Nitpicking:
The edge of the screen protector is so annoying I want to take it off. Note: If you do it, you might want to apply oleophobic coating.
I wish the fingerprint sensor indentation was a bit less deep, because it makes the swiping motion feel less comfortable. The screen protector is probably most of the reason though.
I was never able to transfer app data (only apps themselves) from my old device using any method suggested by Huawei. The thing that did work was a backup/restore using adb.
USB 2 is pretty slow after getting used to USB 3.
The device sometimes thinks that I am using a knuckle gesture when I am using the tip of my finger.
sometimes very laggy also. And some apps not compatible with the camera.
Turns out that I am stuck with this device due to the shop's no-return policy on phones. I might as well begin training my mind to like the device. Won't feel guilty about rooting and trying custom ROMs now either.
@patriotzhou I think after a couple days, I am noticing the stuttering less for some reason..
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Turns out that I am stuck with this device due to the shop's no-return policy on phones. I might as well begin training my mind to like the device. Won't feel guilty about rooting and trying custom ROMs now either.
@patriotzhou I think after a couple days, I am noticing the stuttering less for some reason..
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Camera send not so good to me, maybe I don't know how to use it
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I have been using P10 Plus (6/128 GB) for a day, and I am trying really hard to like it. I haven't found all the good/bad points yet but the list of bad things is already kind of outweighing the list of good things. Were my expectations really just too high?
Bad things:
The device gets pretty hot during "normal" (in my opinion light) use, and really hot while charging and during "heavy" (in my opinion normal) use.
Seems like the battery drains more quickly than I expected as well (larger battery does not make it much or any better than P10) so that I still need to bring an extra battery with me if I intend to use mobile data and GPS.
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Pretty much this phone is unusable due these 2 things, battery life is poor as AF, and from my perspective, Huawei messed up EMUI 5.1 really hard.
Probably an update would fix it, but we don't have ETA yet.
I will return back the P10 Plus because I think is not worth it, and I will buy a Mate 9 Pro that is virtually the same device, but battery life is so much better.
@nougn Which firmware are you on? In terms of battery life the phone may not be the best, but from my experience its also not bad either. 6 hours DOT should be possible unless you are a heavy gamer. However what you said about the device getting hot that does sound like it may have faulty hardware, I'd be careful with that. You should grab an app monitoring CPU and battery temperatures. If you come to the conclusion that the device is getting warmer than it should I'd contact Huawei on the matter. What I find most bizarre is that you say the performance is laggy at times, I never experienced even just the slightest lag no matter what I do, it is smooth as silk in every situation. Maybe another indication for faulty hardware.......? On a side note: the price you paid seems really high, a lot of commercial seller on ebay offer it for a lot less than that... but anyhow if you really wanted to get rid of the device you could always sell it on ebay or something, no? So you're never actually "stuck" with a device
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@nougn Which firmware are you on? In terms of battery life the phone may not be the best, but from my experience its also not bad either. 6 hours DOT should be possible unless you are a heavy gamer. However what you said about the device getting hot that does sound like it may have faulty hardware, I'd be careful with that. You should grab an app monitoring CPU and battery temperatures. If you come to the conclusion that the device is getting warmer than it should I'd contact Huawei on the matter. What I find most bizarre is that you say the performance is laggy at times, I never experienced even just the slightest lag no matter what I do, it is smooth as silk in every situation. Maybe another indication for faulty hardware.......? On a side note: the price you paid seems really high, a lot of commercial seller on ebay offer it for a lot less than that... but anyhow if you really wanted to get rid of the device you could always sell it on ebay or something, no? So you're never actually "stuck" with a device
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This device always works in high temperatures, and is really easy for it to get hot. Use the camera more than 3 minutes and it will start to feel uncomfortable on hand.
I had the same experience, poor battery life and device most of the time hot. I checked the temperatures and is around 30°C on stand by, and after some minutes of WhatsApp and news, it was reaching 40°C, which is not normal at all, when my previous phone was around 18°C on stand by and 25°C in normal usage.
I'm used to stick with cold devices and is one of the first things I noticed when I used this device, and is a pretty common problem among many users. Most of the people would say that is only "warm", but I had the Mate 9 as well, with the same specs, and trust me, it was an ice cube the whole time.
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when my previous phone was around 18°C on stand by and 25°C in normal usage.
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One has to keep in mind though that temperatures like that are impossible to reach in summer (unless its a very cold summer), the device can never be cooler than the air surrounding it
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One has to keep in mind though that temperatures like that are impossible to reach in summer (unless its a very cold summer), the device can never be cooler than the air surrounding it
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Well, I'm talking about my room, which has air conditioning, and I just bought the P10 Plus and today I returned it back.
Problem solved, I got my money back, and I'm trying to see which phone to get, but pretty much I don' t like what I see in the market now.
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This device always works in high temperatures, and is really easy for it to get hot. Use the camera more than 3 minutes and it will start to feel uncomfortable on hand.
I had the same experience, poor battery life and device most of the time hot. I checked the temperatures and is around 30°C on stand by, and after some minutes of WhatsApp and news, it was reaching 40°C, which is not normal at all, when my previous phone was around 18°C on stand by and 25°C in normal usage.
I'm used to stick with cold devices and is one of the first things I noticed when I used this device, and is a pretty common problem among many users. Most of the people would say that is only "warm", but I had the Mate 9 as well, with the same specs, and trust me, it was an ice cube the whole time.
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The standby drain is crazy and as you said the phone gets really hot when using the camera more than a few minutes.
Also one more problem is when the phone reach certain temperature the wide aperture effect in the gallery will stop working..
It's a pity since I like this phone in many ways and the camera is great.
But if Huawei don't fix it (very) soon i may be "forced" to sell it and get another one..
Almost regret that I sold my old Mate 8..
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The standby drain is crazy and as you said the phone gets really hot when using the camera more than a few minutes.
Also one more problem is when the phone reach certain temperature the wide aperture effect in the gallery will stop working..
It's a pity since I like this phone in many ways and the camera is great.
But if Huawei don't fix it (very) soon i may be "forced" to sell it and get another one..
Almost regret that I sold my old Mate 8..
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Today I returned my P10 Plus, for me there's no excuse to pay so much for a phone that has basic problems.
I will see if I get a Mate 9 Pro or any other phone, but I'm kind of picky when getting a new device.
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Thank you for your advices! The current version is VKY-L29C432B150 (latest).
Sorry for the late response. I have been traveling for the past few days.
I decided to bring this phone with me on vacation to Japan where it is currently very humid and it feels like 33+ degrees C (91+ degrees F) in the sun. Trying to use mobile data, GPS and Google Maps is not exactly pleasant for my hand. The worst part is trying to take some photos because the device's temperature gets uncomfortably high for my hand. Will try to measure the temperatures next time I go out!
I am also really glad that I brought an extra battery, although the output of the extra battery (per port) is just enough (2.4A) to keep the device's battery percentage stable while using mobile data and GPS (goes up when idle).
I also guessed hardware defect, but it now seems like I am not the only one with problems. I really hope that Huawei can fix some things in the software, including the heat issue.
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Thank you for your advices! The current version is VKY-L29C432B150 (latest).
Sorry for the late response. I have been traveling for the past few days.
I decided to bring this phone with me on vacation to Japan where it is currently very humid and it feels like 33+ degrees C (91+ degrees F) in the sun. Trying to use mobile data, GPS and Google Maps is not exactly pleasant for my hand. The worst part is trying to take some photos because the device's temperature gets uncomfortably high for my hand. Will try to measure the temperatures next time I go out!
I am also really glad that I brought an extra battery, although the output of the extra battery (per port) is just enough (2.4A) to keep the device's battery percentage stable while using mobile data and GPS (goes up when idle).
I also guessed hardware defect, but it now seems like I am not the only one with problems. I really hope that Huawei can fix some things in the software, including the heat issue.
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You should post your experiences in the battery thread, so it could have more visibility and people can start to acknowledge this, would be really nice from you to do it.
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Different screens
The P10 plus has a IPS LCD screen
The Mate 9 pro has a AMO-LED screen
maybe that adds to the difference in SOT for the two Huawei devices...
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The P10 plus has a IPS LCD screen
The Mate 9 pro has a AMO-LED screen
maybe that adds to the difference in SOT for the two Huawei devices...
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I'm sorry, but there is no way that the screen technology is the decisive factor between 3 and 6 hours SOT.
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That's how you choose to read my post - but not what I wrote, IMHO
My point is to raise awareness about the different screen technologies, because I've seen more than one comparison where the two devices are said to use the same screen (probably because of same size and res.), but that is plain WRONG!
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That's how you choose to read my post - but not what I wrote, IMHO
My point is to raise awareness about the different screen technologies, because I've seen more than one comparison where the two devices are said to use the same screen (probably because of same size and res.), but that is plain WRONG!
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I understand your point, but still having AMOLED display means nothing in 2017. You can see the HTC U11 with LCD and has pretty goddamn battery life. You can have the normal Mate 9 with IPS and also has a really nice battery life. Right now screen technologies are really mature and it doesn't influence much (or at all) what kind is on a phone.
@Galaxo60
Point taken
Came from S8, I used it for a couple of months and now Im using P10 Plus.
Im more than happy now with P10+.
I have had my P10 Plus for about 2 months now and I can tell you I get around 5 hours of SOT with 1-2 of gaming. The battery stays at 100% for about 15 minutes regardless what I do and then begins to drop. Somehow form 70% downwards it starts to really slow its discharge rate. You might worry about this but the honest truth is that I can make it at the end of each day (around midnight) with around 15-20% battery left. For me this is more than enough as I recharge my phone every night.
I would suggest you stop worrying about your phone dying on you and just start using it. Also use Phone Manager once a day and you'll be good to go.
Hope it helps.
Hello everyone, just a few questions before I buy this phone:
1. How is the phone this year? - reception, screen on time, etc.
2. How is the battery life? Will I need to replace? I had z5c but wasn't happy with the battery and over heating...
3. Is the reception still good? Camera?
4. I've been reading some reviews about glass cracking and screen coming off because of the glue wearing out, is that true?
I'm buying brand new but still interested in your input. Thanks!
As a guy who is now waiting for his new LG G6 I can say some final words about my Xperia Z3 Compact before I sell it:
Reception - very nice, no problems with the signal at all.
Screen on time - non-root, bluetooth always on, mobile data always on, streaming with spotify, Android Wear watch always connected - ~4,5 - 5 hours. Android Marshmallow killed the Sony's wonderful STAMINA mode so the SOT is just... average.
Performance - very, very nice. Never had any problems with the speed AS LONG AS THE PHONE STAYED COOL. What do I mean?
The heat... - because the components are arranged in pretty DUMB way (I'm an electronic's service specialist and this is my opinion), the CPU and other heat-generating components are right under the display, then there is PCB and then the battery. On Marshmallow the phone tends to overheat pretty quickly and it's hard to cool it down sometimes especially when you are in urge of charging the phone... Good luck... This brings me to:
The GPS - AWFUL. AWFUL. AWFUL. Sony messed up the construction of the phone, the GPS antenna connectors are not properly touching the copper plates on the antenna itself which causes the GPS work like S.H.*.T. . Sorry for the offensive words but imagine Google Maps telling you to turn left... 300 meters after the corner. Your marker stays in one position, the phone is searching for the GPS, the position changes and the marker freezes again. Repeat it infinitely amount of times. I fought with this crap for more than a year now, just got the phone from the Service Center, they changed some parts and the problem remains the same so I decided to sell it and try another manufacturer.
Overall battery life is pretty good on MM as long as you have a brand new device which should be cheap now. On KitKat it's MUCH better but you lose some functionality.
Camera and photo quality - NO. Absolutely NO. After SIX YEARS of being loyal I will NEVER choose Sony over any other smartphone manufacturer as long as they will keep their VERY aggressive post processing in photos. I miss my Xperia T which took much better photos in terms of... pretty much everything except the resolution. Many people may disagree with me but check the tests. Sony tends to squeeze much more pixels in the same sized sensor as their other 12-13-16 megapixel sensors which are much better in LG, Samsung, Xiaomi phones etc. Every time new Sony flagship came out, I checked the camera quality by myself f.e. in the store or with help of my friends who bought the specific model. Compared to Z3C it's slightly different, but the overall problem remains the same. It's really sad their sensors are the best on the market but their smarphone's cameras are just... meh. And don't look at DxOMark results, look at real-life tests, GSMarena photo comparison tool etc.
Glass cracking, glue coming off - this problem affected early Z3C models from 2014, in 2015 they mostly fixed this problem. The same comes to glue comin off. Mine never had any problems at all, the phone was always sealed perfectly.
If you want to be loyal to Sony, buy Z3C, but if you're still not sure... think twice.
Yes, if romcio47 advise in the same way like he advised me.. don't listen to him. He said that I should not buy Xperia (pointing nearly the same reasons like in his post) so i bought... iPhone. Now I'm unhappy with that I spent a lot of money for a phone that have 16gb of memory, poor battery life and I'm always interrupted on street.
If you were not happy with your x5c, don't buy worse phone
Reception - haven't had any problems
Screen on time - I use LineageOS and I didn't really measure the screen on time,the last time I checked it passed 4 hours and that includes Snapchat,Facebook,Messenger,YouTube,music listening and playing 8 Ball Pool.
Performance - The performance on Lineage is amazing haven't had literally any lag,only needed to change the profile to performance in battery settings since my phone overheats like a b*tch and when it would get hot in normal profile it would thermal throttle so much(but this is just my unit because I saw people having much better temperatures)
Camera - In my opinion I think the camera is okay nothing special to be honest for me on Lineage it does take decent photos,only the colour is a bit off.,but I am not the biggest fan of the front camera,quality wise it is good but I wish it had wide angle lens like the Galaxy S6 or S5
Glass cracking and glue coming off - well I didn't have any issues with the glass cracking itself but from my experience the screen cracks very easily when it falls,I already had two screen replacements in a year because it fell,and when the glass cracks it kills the touch digitizer as well.
About the glue coming off,I didn't have problems with the screen itself,but the back glass started to come off,but I think this is because my device overheated so much on so many occasions the glue probably got very weak.
If you ask me,I would only buy the Z3 Compact as a replacement phone in case the main phone breaks to be honest,it does have qualities definitely for a daily driver and I do use it currently as a daily driver,but when my contract expires gonna pick up a LG G6,feels pretty compact but has a killer camera and a solid screen.
I am not going to sell it,going to keep it since it is a very good phone and not worth selling,as I said it is perfect to be a replacement phone.
Thanks guys! Really appreciate your input. I had a z5c and sold it for an iPhone SE, then sold it for a Leeco Pro 3. I really miss compact phone, so I will definitely think about this matter! I am currently looking at X compact as well
Samsung A3 2017
One hand Size
WP
well cameras
a good battery
OLED
Sony Slim 5" works to me too, but not WP like z3 and z5 family.
iPhone 7 is ****ing perfect, and yu will be happy when yu see the taller iPhone 8. No more One hand device.
Z3c/Z5c Still the battle with iPhone 7 in >4,8" screens with WP resistence, now with A3 as a good choice.
About my Z3 today:
Batery:
Specs
full bright, wifi and gsm, youtube 720P Bt off, Locations off.
1srt test: <10%/hour new battery
Today: ~12%/hour (with services in background)
HArd use with Smart WCDMA and many calls: 1 and 1/4 day full cicle (<7 hours screen)
Regular use with Smart WCDMA and some calls: 2 days full cicle (<7 hours screen)
SmartUse with a little of wifi and WCDMA, low number of calls, low bright: 3 days (<6 hours screen)
On time screen: 7/10
CPU cnsumption: 6/10
In use experience: 10/10
Size/Size: 10/10
Project/life: 5/10
Knowed isure: low number of devices can be locked in low battery state.
Screen:
Bright: 10/10
Style: 9/10
DPI: 10/10
Black: 7/10
Contrast: 8/10
Colors: 9/10
Know isures: many devices with touch problem, gorilla glass is stronger than.
Performance:
Mario Kart 64 (muphen/rice): 10/10
OpenApps: 8/10
InApps: 10/10
Multitasking: 7/10
Câmera:
Raw effect: 10/10
Enchements: 6/10
Auto: 8/10
Focus: 7/10
Rec: 8/10
Specs: 8/10
Night: 8/10
Usability: 10/10
Frontal: 7/10
Work Result: 9/10
Knowed Isure: Plastic lens needs a special type of care, to be perfect, yu will need some water.
Audio:
Speaker Bass: 5/10
Speaker Result: 7/10
Speaker Position: 10/10
Specs: 9/10
Connectivity:10/10
Knowed Isure: A low number of devices will have problem in P2 connection.
Networks specs and reception: 10/10
No problems, here.
Desing: 8/10
Could be 100% simetrical. In 2014, 70% screen ratio was magic, today is OK. I don't like 2.5D. No fingerprint.
Storge: 8/10
>10Gb to apps + SD to Multimedia
My device is fully rooted in 4.4.4 with casemod to impruve WP. No more changes.
Good lucky in your choice.
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1st: Lg L3 e400 (Custum Rom and kernel experience): Sold by symbolic price to a friend
2nd: LG F3 p655 (Same and Link 2 SD experience): Donated to a friend
3rt: Sony M2 Aqua d2403 (in a fly root experience - useful, but not to me... xD): Died
4rt: Sony Z3 Compact d5833 KK (CaseMod Experience): Looking for Perfection
5rt: Iphone 5: Sold by symbolic price to a friend.
I have been using the phone in Glove mode for the past 6 months due to the touchscreen being unresponsive. As of yesterday, even Glove mode isnt working for the back and home buttons! Although I have liked the phone otherwise, this has seriously put me of getting another Sony phone in the future. Ive only had the phone over 2 years. My previous Moto ran for 4 years before I upgraded.