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I am not a pesimistic person, but at least on my country, the economic recesion is far away from see the light...
Hard times correspond to working harder!
the economy is getting worse and worse every day in every country i think we should go to space and make new countries now
I'm proof that the economy is in the dumps.
At home enjoying time with my little ones...
HotJobbing, Craiglistin', Careerbuilding, Indeeding, sleeping...
Aaaahhhh....this is the life...
2 months and counting...
No rush.
Simply stated, the economy is getting worse.
Creditors are becoming more stringent as are people with expendable capital.
We're in for the long haul.
Worse. Read up.
Oh look!!! I'm ranting!!!
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Sorry...but what do you mean by "One year on?" This situation we're all in has been brewing since 2006...it's just the lame terminology of what a recession is (a widespread decline in the GDP and employment and trade lasting from six months to a year). I worked with the building trade (provided tools and equipment) and we could see the slow decline in building around the last quarter in 2006. This was a sign that there was something going on...and of course the 5 year mark on ARM loans for homes was just a nail in the economic coffin. People being given homes that banks knew they could not afford--lying--err..."Underwriting" assets to inflate a person's assets so they could get a bigger loan. So...here we are with
-people living in apartments,
-working hard to get a condo or a townhouse for $120K in 2000,
-smiling in 2002 at the inflated equity their $425K home currently has,
-Using said equity to purchase a $700K house at ARM and paying only $2K a month
-Realizing that the 5 years is up and that their loan has now skyrocketed to $5K a month
-Not being able to afford such a payment, $300K in equity down the drain...
-back in an apartment.
Very sad, but I'm sure you know of at least on of these situations...
For those that are having trouble paying their home (at no fault of their own) such as loss of income, disability, hardship...Google up HAM loan modification...
might help...
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Unfortunately, the picture is not as rosey as the government & wallstreet want U to beleave. We have a long way to go for paying down the deposite and creating good jobs!
I am a pesimistic person
but I say it may have gotten a bit better
but the damage don with companys going under
and people being fired have not peeked yet nor is it likely
to this year
In India, i think we have not even seen as such as being seen by Americans.
Lots of Indian shifting back to India from America. But nonetheless we have seen some decline in sales and jobs markets, but not as much as in abroad.
guess on the ground, things are still tough..
then its scary to see the markets value going up these days again as it may
be a bubble again...
when you hit rock bottom there is only up to go
think it got some raising to do before it could be a bubble
because now most is worth more then you can get for it
Still stuck in the rut no job not prospects no future "yeah i'm making a joke" but infact i have seen no change in the current climate with work being the bigest was made redundant and the field i work in is a bismal "in my location" and has been since the day i had to leave........
Fix Up........... Look Sharpe........
Things can only get better
+1!!
That´s the positive thinking!!
Cheers for that!
oil is now at $70+
way above the low of $30+
Unemployment index is still very high, and many companies are still a bit hesitant about hiring. However, Dow Jones is moving up (though it might just be a slight bit of higher confidence), the housing market is slowly recovering (though bad mortgages are still being collected, and "big banks" are still writing them off), hiring is looking somewhat positive for the first time in a while and consumer confidence is starting to pick up again (retail is looking good again, meaning people are spending more).
Nobody's really sure whether this is the light at the end of the tunnel, but it might be a little break from the storm.
I think many factors are behind the share rally. The cash for clunkers program is one. The Chinese government's forcing its bank to lend is another. Then, there is also the issue of financial institution given the leeway to value the toxic assets as anyting they want once again which mask the problems. Add to that the massive money printing by the US government, and some of those money are now propping up the US share market.
Bank CEO's are doing anything in their power (including cooking their books) to justify paying themselves obscene bonuses once again.
When the Chinese government forced the State controlled banks to lend, there is no actual demand by businesses or individuals to borrow it. After all the export market is shrinking rapidly. But since the order from the top must be followed, the banks have to bribe the borrowers to accept the loan. These loans ended up in risky properties, shares, and commodity futures bets and gambles. We already see how the Shanghai A share plunged 20% within a few days recently when the Chinese goverment announced that it is "finetuning" its lending policy. The Chinese has yet to learn to spell bubbles but I think it is definitely forming and that will in turn send a shockwave throughout the world.
Unemployment is still worsening, not geting better. The loan defaults in US is now a more serious problem in the primed mortgage area, even surpassing that in the subprime mortage area. The banks are once again packaging extremely risky assets and try to market them to unsuspecting investors all over again.
According to some reports, the insiders are throwing out their own share at the ratio of 8:1 (for every share they buy, they're selling 8), while the fools are being sucked in once again.
Unfortunately, retail investors will never learn. Memory is short. The reason is we're all driven by greed. Many are investing purely with a herd's mentality. Once again, they're not happy with a small trading profit and try to hold it longer for larger gain. Once again, they may find out that when the market head for the exit again, they can't sell it fast enough as the big guys who have everything computerised.
There is so much spin going around in the market, with so many experts telling us that the economy has recovered. They won't tell you about 77 (edit: Just read from Bloomberg that it is now 84 in the year 2009) US banks have already collapsed this year. According to a very famous analyst, hundreds more are heading that way. They manipulate the unemployment figures to make it look less worst than it actually is. They are trying to encourage private investor to buy up those lousy banks with worthless assets.
I think the world is now characterised by the Chinese doing all the hardwork for the West to enjoy, and their money are still with the west in the form of investments that they are stuck with. This was the great imbalance that, unless corrected, will continue to worsen the problem of the world. This imbalance is unsustainable.
The "stimulus" is no stimulus that resume the heatbeat when removed. It is more like a crutch, which remove, the patient collapses once again.
The world needs reform. The imbalance needs to be addressed. The Chinese/Japanese/Indian must start consuming more and save less. The West must start consuming less and save more. There is also progressively more imbalance in the world in terms of pay. Just look at what the greedy CEOs are getting compared to the ordinary workers. As a result, the purchasing power of the masses, hence consumption power in the economy, will suffer.
Just my 2 cents.
newsuser, nice read
S&P500 is now above 1000
I think economy will recover at least a little bit in the next year. Of course recovering from what happened is hard and takes several years but I am quite positive that it will go up again, at least because everyone tightened their belts a little bit. I think that was kind of an important lesson learned for our society. Not everything works out the way we want forever.
s&p500 is now around 1060 .. rather fast do u folks think?
Hoping to boost profits by cutting into the valuable market share currently occupied by Apple's popular iPhone 4S, top American rice manufacturer Uncle Ben’s announced plans Tuesday to release its first-ever smartphone.
Uncle Ben's, a company traditionally known for producing white, whole-grain brown, and flavored rices, confirmed a Nov. 23 launch date for its new "Basmati" phone, a 4G-capable device expected to serve as the brand’s flagship product as the company makes its entry into the lucrative mobile technology sector.
"Whether it's instant rice, country-style rice, boil-in-a-bag rice, or smartphones, Uncle Ben’s has always been committed to innovation," a statement from the company read in part. "In 1942, we introduced the world to easy-to-cook parboiled rice. Today, we wish to introduce you to a new vision, one in which people can cook up some Uncle Ben's on the stove and, at the same time, be on their Basmati browsing our marketplace for some new apps and texting their friends with our Instant Rice Messenger."
"Our customer base is increasingly young, connected, and on the go," the statement continued, "and we're uniquely positioned to become the only company in America to simultaneously offer international phone service, Internet access, GPS, broccoli rice au gratin, and MP3 downloads of top recording artists."
As first reported by TechCrunch and the USA Rice Council, the Basmati will feature a 5.3-inch
Traditionally, the Uncle Ben’s company has been
display with a density of 285 pixels per inch, a dual-core 1.5 gigahertz processor, and two gigabytes of RAM, as well as a "robust set of entertainment features" that includes a rear-mounted 8-megapixel autofocus camera, dozens of preloaded stir-fry recipes, and Adobe Flash
In addition, the Basmati will run on Uncle Ben’s proprietary Long-Grain Operating System, a platform designed to optimize graphics performance and speed using processes that, according to technical specifications released by the rice producer, "are
"Uncle Ben's is a name Americans already know and trust," said company president Vincent Howell, adding that he hopes the Basmati will become the iPhone’s foremost competitor within three years. "When they see that face smiling up at them, they'll know they picked the right phone. It's time for us to build on Uncle Ben's success, and that means making a run at Apple. Amazon, Google—they're all in the game here, and if we don't get on this, we'll be left behind. Right now those guys are eating our lunch.”
"We have the brand recognition," the president of the rice company added. "So let's capitalize on it with this
Many at the company expressed a like-minded confidence in the project, with one board member enthusiastically saying, “I think people are going to like an Uncle Ben’s phone even if they don’t like rice all that much.” Executives noted that their marketplace was rapidly changing, and whether they liked it or not, they would have to change with it.
"Rice just isn't going to cut it anymore," said Tim Snyder, Uncle Ben's vice president of marketing. "If we don't get a smartphone on the market soon, we’ll have nothing to offer the millions of consumers out there who are eager to shell out hundreds of dollars for the latest high-tech gadget, but who—let's face it—aren't nearly that enthusiastic about rice."
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Pics or it didn't happen!
PM me when you are ready to upload pics and I will reopen the thread.
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Screenshot from an early unboxing video:
SEXY HOX?
Anyways now's its a party LM is here!
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PG101 said:
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PM me when you are ready to upload pics and I will reopen the thread.
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This site has absolutely gotten out of hand.
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TheSkinnyDrummer said:
This site has absolutely gotten out of hand.
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Yup, you're rice, it has gotten out of hand.
TheSkinnyDrummer said:
This site has absolutely gotten out of hand.
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That's what she said.
In regards to the quality of members that is.
LordManhattan said:
Yup, you're rice, it has gotten out of hand.
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Simmer down now.
MissionImprobable said:
Simmer down now.
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I'm sorry Dave, i can't do that rice now.
TheSkinnyDrummer said:
This site has absolutely gotten out of hand.
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Or rather... out of the pot.
Debel said:
Hoping to boost profits by cutting into the valuable market share currently occupied by Apple's popular iPhone 4S, top American rice manufacturer Uncle Ben’s announced plans Tuesday to release its first-ever smartphone.
Uncle Ben's, a company traditionally known for producing white, whole-grain brown, and flavored rices, confirmed a Nov. 23 launch date for its new "Basmati" phone, a 4G-capable device expected to serve as the brand’s flagship product as the company makes its entry into the lucrative mobile technology sector.
"Whether it's instant rice, country-style rice, boil-in-a-bag rice, or smartphones, Uncle Ben’s has always been committed to innovation," a statement from the company read in part. "In 1942, we introduced the world to easy-to-cook parboiled rice. Today, we wish to introduce you to a new vision, one in which people can cook up some Uncle Ben's on the stove and, at the same time, be on their Basmati browsing our marketplace for some new apps and texting their friends with our Instant Rice Messenger."
"Our customer base is increasingly young, connected, and on the go," the statement continued, "and we're uniquely positioned to become the only company in America to simultaneously offer international phone service, Internet access, GPS, broccoli rice au gratin, and MP3 downloads of top recording artists."
As first reported by TechCrunch and the USA Rice Council, the Basmati will feature a 5.3-inch
Traditionally, the Uncle Ben’s company has been
display with a density of 285 pixels per inch, a dual-core 1.5 gigahertz processor, and two gigabytes of RAM, as well as a "robust set of entertainment features" that includes a rear-mounted 8-megapixel autofocus camera, dozens of preloaded stir-fry recipes, and Adobe Flash
In addition, the Basmati will run on Uncle Ben’s proprietary Long-Grain Operating System, a platform designed to optimize graphics performance and speed using processes that, according to technical specifications released by the rice producer, "are
"Uncle Ben's is a name Americans already know and trust," said company president Vincent Howell, adding that he hopes the Basmati will become the iPhone’s foremost competitor within three years. "When they see that face smiling up at them, they'll know they picked the right phone. It's time for us to build on Uncle Ben's success, and that means making a run at Apple. Amazon, Google—they're all in the game here, and if we don't get on this, we'll be left behind. Right now those guys are eating our lunch.”
"We have the brand recognition," the president of the rice company added. "So let's capitalize on it with this
Many at the company expressed a like-minded confidence in the project, with one board member enthusiastically saying, “I think people are going to like an Uncle Ben’s phone even if they don’t like rice all that much.” Executives noted that their marketplace was rapidly changing, and whether they liked it or not, they would have to change with it.
"Rice just isn't going to cut it anymore," said Tim Snyder, Uncle Ben's vice president of marketing. "If we don't get a smartphone on the market soon, we’ll have nothing to offer the millions of consumers out there who are eager to shell out hundreds of dollars for the latest high-tech gadget, but who—let's face it—aren't nearly that enthusiastic about rice."
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Wait just a minute rice
I drink, yet you're the one in AA. :beer:
At first I thought he was using a phone on the ads and you were complaining that it was some iC**p, but then I read it and thought 0_o
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http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/04/radioshack-to-close-1100-stores/
This makes me happy for two reasons.
1.Radioshack simply is not the store it used to be. Going there as a kid, seeing all the RC toys and parts, the parts drawers and learning kits for electronics that they used to have are getting smaller and smaller, and in a good number of stores are gone! It's now just an annoying sales person trying to push a damn phone, tablet, or camera down your throat. Pushy as hell.
2.I used to work for Radioshack, and they treat their employees like crap. Their benefits suck, the management is horrible, and their sales goals are unrealistic to the point of hitting their goals is knowing people and having them come in to buy from you. In some areas these are good goals, but in areas like Toledo, where we are not a huge mobile market compared to other cities and areas as well as a good amount of low income, it doesn't work! I was one of the best in my regions, and Radioshack let go of me because I didn't push their crappy cell phone service and crappy phones on people.
I don't live in the US so idk what radioshack is
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I live in Middle East and there is a RadioShack branch in my country and I must say it isnt that bad as u describe it. They are not pushy but sometimes they dont have that product I want. Making the store a bit bad
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vbetts said:
http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/04/radioshack-to-close-1100-stores/
This makes me happy for two reasons.
1.Radioshack simply is not the store it used to be. Going there as a kid, seeing all the RC toys and parts, the parts drawers and learning kits for electronics that they used to have are getting smaller and smaller, and in a good number of stores are gone! It's now just an annoying sales person trying to push a damn phone, tablet, or camera down your throat. Pushy as hell.
2.I used to work for Radioshack, and they treat their employees like crap. Their benefits suck, the management is horrible, and their sales goals are unrealistic to the point of hitting their goals is knowing people and having them come in to buy from you. In some areas these are good goals, but in areas like Toledo, where we are not a huge mobile market compared to other cities and areas as well as a good amount of low income, it doesn't work! I was one of the best in my regions, and Radioshack let go of me because I didn't push their crappy cell phone service and crappy phones on people.
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Revenge is yours! On a side note saw that Staples is also closing 225 of their stores today
I'm sure it isn't news to most of you that Huawei and ZTE have been systematically attacked by the United States for a couple of years now. Carriers in the U.S. do not carry Huawei phones, and in the past couple of weeks alone things have been escalated on all fronts. Huawei stock has all but crashed, the victim of serious market manipulation by everyone that the U.S. is forcing to play along with their charade. They are even trying to force other countries to ban hardware from both these companies. Last week, the U.S. bullied Canadian authourities into arresting the CFO of Huawei, who is of course the daughter of the CEO. Needless to say, China is not happy about it - and have made some fairly ugly threats on diplomatic channels since.
There are a few aspects to this, first of all the insistence by U.S. intelligence services that both Huawei and ZTE are 'spying' for the Chinese government. If there exists one iota of proof showing this, they haven't come out with it. In other words, they are claiming that these companies have the 'capability' to spy, which is of course a nonsensical statement because the same could be said for ANY device capable of networking made by ANY company in the past 30 years. If phones or routers or switches or dedicated backbone mainframes WERE spying, any privacy/hacking group would have already come out with obvious evidence of such. I won't even go into the irony of the American government complaining about spying on civilians... The thing that makes this truly laughable is that approximately 80% of all hardware handling Internet traffic already in place was made by these two companies. It is rumoured that the reason for this hysterical attack on these companies, especially Huawei, is that the NSA has not been able to crack their encryption - and that these companies have refused to give the NSA backdoor access. Again, the irony is so rich it hurts.
The U.S. has unilaterally imposed sanctions on Iran, sanctions that have been repeatedly overturned and veto'd by all of the other members of the U.N. council. As such these sanctions do not carry any weight in the international system at large. As an example other countries are merrily continuing to trade with Iran, and the United States cannot legally do anything about it. Their excuse for flat out kidnapping the daughter of the CEO of Huawei (on the same day that Trump sat and had dinner with Xi in Beunos Aires) was the claim that Huawei was doing business with Iran through a shell company. They are accusing her of a crime, based on sanctions that are illegal. A crime that she didn't commit in Canada, or Iran, or China, or Mexico, or in any other country she has been to. Canadian extradition treaties with the United States mean that what the United States did was 'legal' as far as ordering Canadian police to apprehend her - except for the fact that technically she never left the airport, which by law is considered international territory that is legally bound by the laws of specific parts of the airport. For example, a good sized chunk of the Vancouver airport is considered American ground - in the same way that an embassy is. You cross a checkpoint, within which you are bound to the laws of the United States and there are U.S. military forces there in fatigues and carrying AR-15's. She, of course, did not enter this area. In fact she legally didn't even enter Canadian territory.
This is all part of a bigger trade war, one that could potentially get very ugly - very quickly. In the week since her abduction (I won't call it an arrest), Canadian authourities have stalled on having a bail hearing for her. Of course the Americans are demanding that she be denied bail, for obvious reasons. Meanwhile the citizens of Canada (like me) are outraged by this disgusting abuse of American thuggery, and by the simpering cowardice of our buffoon of a leader Justin Trudeau - who in typical idiot fashion happily gushed about how he was warned in advance of this 'arrest'. Let's be clear here. China has blatantly broken international law when it comes to patents and legal intellectual property as a matter of course through the history of technological development. This is how they operate. No one will argue that they caused the crash of several major tech-communications companies here in Canada, including Nortel and arguably Blackberry (although they were a victim of their own shortsightness as well, but hey they really stuck to that physical keyboard to the very end). No one is going to say that China has a great record when it comes to human rights, and they certainly aren't afraid to disappear their own people in a heartbeat - even from foreign countries. That said, it could very easily be argued that the United States has done more harm in our world than China by orders of magnitude - but that is another discussion entirely.
<Insert 20 page rant here about how Bush and Obama sold 500,000 production jobs to China and the American public happily allowed Borgmart to spread across the country like a Cancer>
Anyway, back to the topic of... well, my topic (if that is even possible). Things are heating up BIG TIME - by the day. China announced today that they have banned the sales of all iphones in large parts of the country. They have recalled diplomats, and are very close to expelling Canadian diplomats. The CEO of Huawei isn't just another Billionaire playboy, he is very chummy with the highest members of the ruling party. The Americans knew fully well what message they were sending when they snatched his daughter out of the Vancouver airport. The question is, how far will this go? What lengths will the Americans go to in order to shut Huawei down? Could they lean on Google to the point where Google services disable themselves on Huawei devices? Could they actually force countries like Canada to ban Huawei devices from using tele-communication networks? Let's step back for a moment, to just a couple of months ago. Keep in mind that both Huawei and ZTE phones are allowed to be used by the highest level of government in the U.K., in France, and in Germany. Do you really think that if there was any proof of any kind that these phones were uploading data, that these governments wouldn't have joined the United States in 'banning' them? Here in Canada, Huawei is the prime sponsor to 'Hockey Night in Canada'. What will happen if the Americans take things to the next level, and our phones start little by little becoming unusable? Can we honestly expect Huawei to expend a lot of effort to keep our firmware updated here in the West given the nonsense that is going on?
It is laughable to try and point fingers at these companies for the 'potential to spy' when we are being wrung dry for every bit of personal information possible by Google, Facebook, Apple, etc. Every piece of tech we own is made in China. This situation is getting scary though, and personally I cringe to say it but owning a brand new Huawei phone may be a losing proposition. We have dared to support a company that isn't entirely under the boot of the American petro-dollar Deep State MIC. Is this all just high stakes posturing between superpowers, or the final chess moves in a grand game played by the darkest of Puppeteers?
(don't get me started)
In India too about 95% sentiments are Anti-chinese goods coz they are claiming land belonging to India and that they are encouraging other neighbouring nations (you know which one) for border bullying and other stuffs (you know what).
But, nonetheless, the top market in India is OnePlus and Xiaomi. Technology at affordable cost will win irrespective of where it is coming from.
Irony will prevail, market will not fall only stock will and market shocks are short spanned. Bad days for Huawei but they will come out of it.
Businessmen and politicians never give up on anything
Pretty sure they can't ban certain phones from working, they work on spectrums which are universal across the carriers. I.E There is no way to determine the manufacture of a phone by the phone signal.
They could ban you from importing them though.
Luckily the UK where I live are being a bit more sensible about it and working with the company to iron out any security concerns. The main issue is with 5G, which I've heard Huawei are miles ahead of the competition.
You, sir, have some amazing vocabs and writing ability. Knowing how Huawei and China government works, I wouldn't be to worry about Huawei intentionally slowly down their devices in the western countries. I did make an acquaintance of a Huawei top brass a few years back. Don't be too worry about your device not receiving anymore updates.
The banning of apple phones in China was spurred by qualcomm. Both US companies sueing the crap out of each other in China. It is almost laughable.
Also I doubt Google will disable their services on Huawei devices. Firstly, Google is trying to re-enter the Chinese Market. Secondly, China phone producers would not lose a thing. They already have their own application stores and cloud drives made for the Chinese people. The whole ecosystem is there, with or without Google.
Really like your views and speculations. Cheers.
Phil750123 said:
Pretty sure they can't ban certain phones from working, they work on spectrums which are universal across the carriers. I.E There is no way to determine the manufacture of a phone by the phone signal.
They could ban you from importing them though.
Luckily the UK where I live are being a bit more sensible about it and working with the company to iron out any security concerns. The main issue is with 5G, which I've heard Huawei are miles ahead of the competition.
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I'm not saying they would, but it is certainly possible to ban/blacklist imei's TAC and technically carriers could band together and create agreed upon blacklists for phones. I'm also guessing here that if a government wanted to ban certain vendors, then they could mandate that their carriers (carriers are obliged in most country's to operate under government authority) not allow IMEI TAC ranges. I'm commenting purely under technical merit, not legal.
I don't agree with sanctions against Iran but the US is free to pass sanctions agains Iran and the fact that other countries don't pass similar sanctions doesn't render them illegal. What the US government is claiming is that Huawei used shell companies with accounts at US banks and mislead those banks about the fact that the companies were engaged in trade activities that are illegal in the United States.
This might be a comolete political farce orchestrated by a US President that is beneath contempt but that doesn't mean you have a clue what you are talking about when you try to make arguments about what is legal and illegal.
I don't think there is any real possibility of Google being forced to remove its services from Huawei devices sold outside of China. Google has too much to lose as an international company to not vigorously fight any kind of law Trump might try to pass. Trump started his trade war with China to distract his supporters from the investigation into his ties with Putin and Russia and the day after Trump leaves office the trade war with China will be over. It has no support beyond the officials that are scrambling to keep Trump in office.
Phil750123 said:
Pretty sure they can't ban certain phones from working, they work on spectrums which are universal across the carriers. I.E There is no way to determine the manufacture of a phone by the phone signal.
They could ban you from importing them though.
Luckily the UK where I live are being a bit more sensible about it and working with the company to iron out any security concerns. The main issue is with 5G, which I've heard Huawei are miles ahead of the competition.
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However they can determine the manufacturer using the Imei.........
panman1964 said:
However they can determine the manufacturer using the Imei.........
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Manufacturer AND phone model actually.
giz02 said:
Manufacturer AND phone model actually.
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Indeed.
Sidebar (and going slightly off topic):
Have you considered modifying your signature so it doesn't take up so much space (eg look at mine)?
I love your take on this whole fiasco
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Indeed.
Sidebar (and going slightly off topic):
Have you considered modifying your signature so it doesn't take up so much space (eg look at mine)?
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What is your signature?
The concern about whether it is wise for US government employees to use Huawei phones because of the potential they could be used to spy on communications pre-dates Trump.
Those concerns never extended to consumers using Huawei phones and have nothing to do with Trump's China trade war or attacks on Huawei. This is just Trump being Trump. He is a moron, a bully, a liar and a crook and being president doesn't change any of that.
AT&T and Best Buy dropping the Mate 10 Pro was simply an act of cowardice and had nothing to do with US Law. The Mate 10 Pro was still sold on the shelf at Walmart, Sears, K-Mart and other stores in the United States and also directly from Amazon (unlike newer Huawei phones that are only available on Amazon through third party sellers).
Huawei phones were never illegal in the United States. Huawei chose to stay out of the US market after the Mate 10 Pro because it isn't worth the time, money or trouble at the present time.
The charges against the Huawei executive in Canada have nothing to do with Huawei phones.
ZTE Phones are no longer being attacked by the White House because they reportedly paid a hefty bribe to Trump in the form of subsidies for a resort he plans to build in Asia.
ZTE phones were never banned for use on US carriers. No phone brand has ever been banned for use on US networks or by US carriers.
You don't seem to understand the difference between the loud political posturing of Trump and actual law which are very different things.
Also, anyone who believes Juliane Assange at this point is gullible at best because Assange has obvious ties to Russian intelligence and acted as their outlet when they were trying to manipulate the presidential election on behalf of Trump.
I find it sad that some people here actually take the OP post seriously.
The only thing Trump did was sign a bill banning government and military purchases of a host of Chinese hardware. I'm sorry CNN promised you that Cankles would win. Huawei is the only communications company that makes their own chips, and as such they are enemy #1 to the alphabet agencies in the States - because they want to be the only ones spying on American citizens. The pressure on carriers and major outlets like Best Buy to drop their phones was because Huawei was going to stomp Samsung and Apple out of the entry level phone market, and then the high end phone market. It just isn't acceptable that Billionaires in China would make money on the backs of slave labour in Asia, instead of Billionaires in the United States making that money on the backs of slave labour - while not paying a nickel of tax. And yeah, perfectly normal for the CEO's daughter to be abducted out of an international airport in Canada based on.... sanctions against Iran that the U.N. Judiciary Council has unilaterally denounced how many times now? Just a coincidence that Huawei stock crashed from direct manipulation by western financial systems after China threatened a total ban on iPhones in China?
It doesn't matter *why* Huawei is being attacked from all sides. The fact is, they most certainly are. The laughable part to all this? They are under suspicion of 'spying' because their founder was a former member of the Chinese military. Uhhh.... ALL Chinese companies can be considered to be 'State controlled', and as far as 'potential spying', again you can say the same for any electronic equipment with networking capability that has ever been made in China. There has never been one iota of proof that Huawei or ZTE has uploaded one single packet of information back to President Xi's intelligence apparatus. Isn't it a little late for all this posturing, regardless? Aren't these two companies responsible for 80% of all the Internet hardware on the planet?
I'm concerned about this, because it doesn't look like we are going to get an unlocked bootloader - which puts us at the mercy of a fragile support for a fringe carrier phone here in North America. If the pressure on Huawei continues, I can see them slowly withdrawing from the Western market entirely. If this was a $400 phone, I wouldn't be too worried about the longevity of support.