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Frustrated with Swappa to buy my X

I'm trying to shop on Swappa for a Moto X and there is no way to discern carrier unlocked and bootloader unlocked..
What do I need to know about this phone when purchasing used? I cannot live without root and found a thread about the Chinaman that's unlocking phones again but only for phones manufactured this year.
Anything else I should know about?
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abuttino said:
I'm trying to shop on Swappa for a Moto X and there is no way to discern carrier unlocked and bootloader unlocked..
What do I need to know about this phone when purchasing used? I cannot live without root and found a thread about the Chinaman that's unlocking phones again but only for phones manufactured this year.
Anything else I should know about?
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It sounds like you want a GSM Moto X, correct?
If so, just find the T-MOBILE variant. The T-Mobile Moto X is essentially the "GSM Dev Edition". It is SIM-Unlockable (or already sim-unlocked), and unlike the AT&T variant, it has unlockable bootloader.....FREE, straight from the Moto website. (No intervention from China required) The model is XT1053
So don't rely on the sellers description...just make sure you buy the T-Mobile variant. (XT1053)
I agree with you...swappa can be confusing on these terms. According to swappa, "unlocked" is supposed to refer to SIM unlocked, NOT BL unlocked. But many of the sellers don't read these rules and some even assume that if they have used some exploit to root the device that it is "unlocked"....which of course is totally incorrect.
You should be safe so long as it you buy XT1053. If you're unsure, request the seller to verify. Just because it is listed under XT1053 doesn't mean the seller couldn't have made a mistake. The model number is on the bottom rear of the phone in small print.
EDIT: The 1053 MAY not have the model number printed on the bottom rear....but the AT&T model DOES (avoid it at all costs - AT&T model comes sim locked AND bootloader locked). Better yet, ask the seller to send you a screenshot from Settings > About Phone. Under "System Version" it will list the carrier. The XT1053 should say:
"161.44.25.ghost_row.Retail.en.US"
It is the ONLY variant to say Retail.en.US - all the other variants have a carrier name in the "System Version"

Actually, I wanted the Verizon version.. Sorry that I forgot to add that in..
I could care less if it is carrier unlocked . I don't travel outside the usa for now.
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abuttino said:
Actually, I wanted the Verizon version.. Sorry that I forgot to add that in..
I could care less if it is carrier unlocked . I don't travel outside the usa for now.
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OK, then you have 2 choices.
1. Buy the Verizon Developer Edition. This is the only Verizon variant that can be Bootloader unlocked FREE via the moto website
2. All other VZW variants WILL come bootloader locked. If you can get the seller to confirm a 2014 build date, you may be able to get an unlock code from China, but there is no guarantee. He will also not tell you if he has the code unless you PAY for it....so there are absolutely no guarantees here.
Looking through the swappa website, I don't see any VZW developer editions for sale. This will be a tough one for you....unless you happen to come across one that explicitly says "unlocked bootloader", but this will mean that he HAD to have gotten code from China, and your warranty will be VOID.
I did find ONE VZW Dev edition on eBay here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-Mo...1199176524?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item2c845be74c
There is a second one listed, but at $549 I doubt you're interested. You could buy Direct from Motorola for less.
Also, CONSIDER purchasing direct from Motorola. Think about it....if you buy the VZW Dev edition direct from Motorola, you will be able to unlock for FREE, without losing your warranty. Additionally, there is a $100 "Jellybean Rebate" for trading in a qualifying USED device. One of the qualifying trade-ins is the "Motorola Admiral" which you can get used off ebay for about $20 shipped. Buy one and send it in for the $100 rebate! I've done this 4 times now (max of 5 rebates allowed per individual - one per each Moto X you buy) and have received all of my rebates.
http://www.motorola.com/us/consumer...Verizon/moto-x-developer-edition-verizon.html
Do the math:
$449.00 VZW Dev Edition direct from Motorola
+ 20.00 Motorola Admiral used from ebay
= $469.00
- $100.00 Moto Jellybean rebate
= $369.00
Assuming you get one of the cheapest VZW X's on swappa for about $250.00, you will still need to send $45 to China (with no guarantee of unlock, and definitely NO warranty) So you're just saving $80 over the brand new dev edition that you can DEFINITELY unlock, and that retains warranty even after unlock.
Good Luck with this.

Thank you for the heads up about the JB rebate
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samwathegreat said:
....Looking through the swappa website, I don't see any VZW developer editions for sale. This will be a tough one for you....unless you happen to come across one that explicitly says "unlocked bootloader", but this will mean that he HAD to have gotten code from China, and your warranty will be VOID..
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One small note... Per the docs that came with my X, the warranty on the X is non-transferable, so buying used off swappa, ebay, etc also invalidates the warranty.
Otherwise, everything else you posted is an awesome reply.

abuttino said:
Thank you for the heads up about the JB rebate
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If you buy it TODAY or TOMORROW you can get it $100 off! The Dev edition is 349.99 -before- the rebate.
This would be the ideal time to purchase your VZW Dev Edition!
http://www.motorola.com/us/consumer...Verizon/moto-x-developer-edition-verizon.html
You may have already seen this, but I wanted to post it as a reply so you would get an email notification just in case you hadn't.
If you buy the $20 admiral for the JB rebate, you're looking at $269 after rebate.

Too late.. But thanks for all your effort
I am waiting for the Chinese. But, at least he's honest
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Moto Maker Edition vs. Developer Edition vs. Pure Edition...

Whats the difference... my Verizon rep is providing pricing and options for the regular edition and the "Moto Maker Edition", but on the Motorola website all I see is the "Developer Edition" and in other news stories I see "Pure Edition"... whats the difference? Purely symantics for the same unlocked bootloader version of the Moto X 2014?
- BF

bkfitz said:
Whats the difference... my Verizon rep is providing pricing and options for the regular edition and the "Moto Maker Edition", but on the Motorola website all I see is the "Developer Edition" and in other news stories I see "Pure Edition"... whats the difference? Purely symantics for the same unlocked bootloader version of the Moto X 2014?
- BF
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Moto 2013 - dev edition had an unlockable bootloader. you could get a version for at&t/tmobile or for verizon
Moto 2014 - pure edition has an unlockable bootloader and no carrier branding or apps. you can only get this for at&t/tmobile at full retail price through motorola's moto maker, and you can customize the colors and storage
Moto maker - lets you customize the design of your moto x (2013 and 2014). can not be used on the 2013 dev editions
there's some confusion here because you can use moto maker to make a pure edition moto x. however the important thing to know on verizon is you have 2 options: a preconfigured color & storage straight from verizon, or a customized version through moto maker. however you cannot get a pure edition on verizon

bkfitz said:
Whats the difference... my Verizon rep is providing pricing and options for the regular edition and the "Moto Maker Edition", but on the Motorola website all I see is the "Developer Edition" and in other news stories I see "Pure Edition"... whats the difference? Purely symantics for the same unlocked bootloader version of the Moto X 2014?
- BF
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Moto Maker is the version where you get to customize it and select the colors you want. If you get this option and use either AT&T or VZW the bootloader will be locked down and not available to be unlocked unless someone comes up with a method to do so.
Pure Edition is a GSM only version (works on T-Mobile and AT&T) and it is sim unlocked as well as bootloader unlockable (the new GSM Dev edition)
Developer Edition is only available on the old Moto X, that was the version you have to pay full price for just like the current Pure, but the old Moto X had a VZW Dev Edition.

Excellent... thx. I guess I'll be getting the standard VZW one and then hoping "someone comes up with a method to do so"
BrokenWall said:
Moto Maker is the version where you get to customize it and select the colors you want. If you get this option and use either AT&T or VZW the bootloader will be locked down and not available to be unlocked unless someone comes up with a method to do so.
Pure Edition is a GSM only version (works on T-Mobile and AT&T) and it is sim unlocked as well as bootloader unlockable (the new GSM Dev edition)
Developer Edition is only available on the old Moto X, that was the version you have to pay full price for just like the current Pure, but the old Moto X had a VZW Dev Edition.
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bkfitz said:
Excellent... thx. I guess I'll be getting the standard VZW one and then hoping "someone comes up with a method to do so"
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As of right now, if you order a Verizon Moto X, you will be getting last years. They don't have an officially announced model yet (and I am speculating they could just release the new Droid (that looks really cool) and not an X).

My Verizon rep (we're Gov) definitely sent me pricing info on the "New Moto X - 5.2" etc... when I asked him yesterday AM he hadn't heard anything yet... but after doing some digging he was able to provide pricing etc this morning....
Note10.1Dude said:
As of right now, if you order a Verizon Moto X, you will be getting last years. They don't have an officially announced model yet (and I am speculating they could just release the new Droid (that looks really cool) and not an X).
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I'm a little bit confused. I want a moto x with all the moto apps like moto assist, voice control and active display. If I want to root the device and install xposed framework. Which one do I have to buy? I'm living in Germany and when I go to moto maker there is nothing I can't choose among different versions, except in storage size and colour.

grossermanitu said:
I'm a little bit confused. I want a moto x with all the moto apps like moto assist, voice control and active display. If I want to root the device and install xposed framework. Which one do I have to buy? I'm living in Germany and when I go to moto maker there is nothing I can't choose among different versions, except in storage size and colour.
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All of this model discussion is for US models. There should be just one EU model (that I am aware of) that should work with all common bands in the EU and have the software of the Pure edition. The issue here is the US mobile industry is a mess and controlled by the mobile networks, making moving between providers (or traveling out of the US) a pain in the neck.

Unless your on T-Mobile in which case you can go overseas no problem. Love T-Mobile!

Singapore Use
Hi,
I live in Singapore. I just wanted to check that the pure edition should work here if I can get it shipped to me?
I know the LTE is not working for now but it should work on HSPA+ I think.
Will it still get the updates from Motorola/Google or are those USA specific?
Thanks a lot.
Santino

ATT unlock bootloader and SIM

Hello,
Thinking of buying a 2014 moto X from AT&T. I have been reading and searching for an hour, but cannot find the definitive and latest answer to these questions. So I thought I'd just ask.
My apologies if this is well known information.
1) Has anybody managed to unlock the ATT XT1097 bootloader? (There is a thread about bootloader unlocking but I don't think it mentions AT&T)
2) Is there a known method for SIM unlock?
Thank you very much
Gonzalo

You can unlock the bootloader or the XT1095 and XT1097 trough the same method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/development/root-root-moto-x-2014-android-5-0-t2941388
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I have the ATT version, and no you cannot unlock bootloader, and they are sim free, at least mine is sim unlocked.

Don't purchase the "branded" device, purchase the "Pure Edition" then go to AT&T..or any provider you wish, (except) for "Big Red"..
If the offer of a cheap priced device is what's appealing, Wait and save up, don't allow the carriers to get the strangle hold on you.!!
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yunior597 said:
I have the ATT version, and no you cannot unlock bootloader, and they are sim free, at least mine is sim unlocked.
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Thank you. That's what I wanted to know.
NWKENT said:
Don't purchase the "branded" device, purchase the "Pure Edition" then go to AT&T..or any provider you wish, (except) for "Big Red"..
If the offer of a cheap priced device is what's appealing, Wait and save up, don't allow the carriers to get the strangle hold on you.!!
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I fully agree. I never buy anything branded, all my phones are Nexus.
The reason I ask is because my company has a corporate agreement with ATT, (they pay for my cell phone line). I use the ATT SIM with my Nexus 5, but because of that corporate agreement I am entitled to buy a Moto X for $ 99 or a Nexus 6 for $ 249. I was thinking of taking advantage of that possibility, but the Nexus 6 is too big for me, and the Moto X I would buy it for $99 only if I could convert it to a SIM unlocked Pure version.

Looking to get XT1095 or XT1097 or something else for AT&T

I have XT1053 (Moto X 2013 Developer Edition GSM) and it is broken. I use it on AT&T and LTE support is important. It was on 4.2.2 and I never upgraded to 4.4 as it seemed all later versions just brought different problems and I never needed any new features. I haven't followed 5.1 too much but if it was any good there would not be threads here about downgrading on its forum, right?
My options are (I need to do something fast because I leave for vacation in Europe at the end of the month and would like to use phone there. I don't want anything larger than 5"):
1) Send it to Motorola and for $100 they will fix it. Probably just replace with refurb. But what version of Android will it come with? Does anyone know?
2) Get 2014 Moto X, but what version? It seems "Pure Edition" (XT1095) didn't support AT& LTE bands out of the box but they were upgraded later and that enabled it. Yet I found posts that AT&T IMEI database apparently doesn't list XT1095 as having these bands and phone doesn't connect to LTE on AT&T. One has to proved IMEI from another phone. My AT&T SIM is now associated with 1053, so maybe I would be OK? Has all this been officially rectified?
Has Lollipop upgrade on 2014 Moto X been as bad as it was on 2013?
3) Get XT1097 (AT&T version of Moto X 2014) - I don't like the fact that it only comes with 16GB of storage. Also, can it be rooted/bootloader/SIM unlocked?
4) Get some other phone and here I just don't know what to consider in 5" size because I haven't been following Android phones recently.
Feedback and answers appreciated.

Unlocked Moto G6 on Verizon

Yes, I searched. And yes, I realize this may be a trivial question. But I've done no tinkering on my past 2 phones so real rusty on anything other than VZW purchased phones.
First, I live in a VZW-only area, so different carriers is not an option. And its time for me to do a phone upgrade. Because we're on a tight budget, the Motorola Moto G6 seems the best option for a new phone with warranty.
QUESTION: For any of you that purchased the Moto G6 unlocked from Motorola, Amazon, etc. (not the Play, etc etc) for use on Verizon using your existing SIM card, have you had any problem getting the phone to work correctly on Verizon?
The reason I ask is purchasing the G6 on Verizon is $240 + $30 upgrade + free shipping = $270 vs. on Motorola the unlocked G6 is currently $229 + free shipping = $229 ... then just swap my SIM card and do the phone switch on the VZW site.

I'm not a VZW user, but I did some digging for you.
Verizon uses 3 LTE antenna bands -- 2, 4, and 13 -- all of which the Moto G6 has. So, you should be fine as long as the service is good.
Here are the sources if you wish to take a look for yourself:
https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g6-9000.php
https://www.frequencycheck.com/carriers/verizon-wireless-united-states

It should work but keep in mind you will probably never see custom roms specific that device. It does have the ability to root and use twrp if memory serves me right. With that you can install Generic System Images from the Treble Development forum here. These are a new rom format that are universally compatible with devices shipping with Android 8 and newer. Because of the universal format, and it's a newer way of making roms, not everything may work.
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JoeGatto said:
I'm not a VZW user, but I did some digging for you.
Verizon uses 3 LTE antenna bands -- 2, 4, and 13 -- all of which the Moto G6 has. So, you should be fine as long as the service is good.
Here are the sources if you wish to take a look for yourself:
https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g6-9000.php
https://www.frequencycheck.com/carriers/verizon-wireless-united-states
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Thanks! Appreciate this info ... its something I used to check into but being so rusty on stock phones, didn't even think about the various bands. Glad to have those links!

cvhovey said:
Yes, I searched. And yes, I realize this may be a trivial question. But I've done no tinkering on my past 2 phones so real rusty on anything other than VZW purchased phones.
First, I live in a VZW-only area, so different carriers is not an option. And its time for me to do a phone upgrade. Because we're on a tight budget, the Motorola Moto G6 seems the best option for a new phone with warranty.
QUESTION: For any of you that purchased the Moto G6 unlocked from Motorola, Amazon, etc. (not the Play, etc etc) for use on Verizon using your existing SIM card, have you had any problem getting the phone to work correctly on Verizon?
The reason I ask is purchasing the G6 on Verizon is $240 + $30 upgrade + free shipping = $270 vs. on Motorola the unlocked G6 is currently $229 + free shipping = $229 ... then just swap my SIM card and do the phone switch on the VZW site.
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i use straight talk through the verizon network on my retail -6 g6. works perfectly. just pull the trigger as long as its not the amazon version. i got mine at best buy for 250$

Dadud said:
i use straight talk through the verizon network on my retail -6 g6. works perfectly. just pull the trigger as long as its not the amazon version. i got mine at best buy for 250$
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Thx! And, yeah, I did a quick look at the Amazon version ... and ran the opposite direction.

cvhovey said:
Yes, I searched. And yes, I realize this may be a trivial question. But I've done no tinkering on my past 2 phones so real rusty on anything other than VZW purchased phones.
First, I live in a VZW-only area, so different carriers is not an option. And its time for me to do a phone upgrade. Because we're on a tight budget, the Motorola Moto G6 seems the best option for a new phone with warranty.
QUESTION: For any of you that purchased the Moto G6 unlocked from Motorola, Amazon, etc. (not the Play, etc etc) for use on Verizon using your existing SIM card, have you had any problem getting the phone to work correctly on Verizon?
The reason I ask is purchasing the G6 on Verizon is $240 + $30 upgrade + free shipping = $270 vs. on Motorola the unlocked G6 is currently $229 + free shipping = $229 ... then just swap my SIM card and do the phone switch on the VZW site.
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I use an unlocked Moto G6 I bought from Target on Verizon, I went into a corporate store, ported my number from ATT to Verizon and had no issues, everything works, volte, visual voicemail, ect.

luigi90210 said:
I use an unlocked Moto G6 I bought from Target on Verizon, I went into a corporate store, ported my number from ATT to Verizon and had no issues, everything works, volte, visual voicemail, ect.
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Thx ... I'm going ahead to get this phone!