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Found replacement fast charger (UPDATE 8/10/16)

I took a chance for the fun of it and bought a 15 dollar (at the time of writing this) charger from newegg here and it works perfectly. This post took me about 5 minutes to write and i plugged my Mate 8 in a 43% and now it is at 54%. When it plugs in, it even gives me the Fast Charging notification and says so on the lock screen. Highly recommend it, for USA owners only or you will need a converter plug.

I think you need the original hauwei quick charger to get 9v2.4a "quick charge".
Im using a QC 2.0 which should do 9v2a, but do not get "quick charge" message, and using software, only see up to 1.7ah; however with the original charger; I get 2.6ah.
What I also noticed was the with the original charger its goes up to 2.6ah in bursts (from 1.4 to 2.6ah) and not constant, while the QC 2.0 have constant 1.7ah.
Not sure which is faster. Also some cables don't go above 500mah, and some cables do give "quick charge" message on original charger. Ordered USB voltage tester to test more.
Im also looking for source for cheap oem hauwei charger.

HUAWEI HW-059200CHQ with EU plug: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...L-Charger-adapter-for-Huawei/32668184405.html

Huawei charger with option for EU or US plug.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-9V-...hash=item2a6b21d483:m:mKEdY4PKIJdpJ0H_NQVZoCQ

As long it covers the signed agreement between Huawei (FCP) and Qualcomm QC2.0 to support both standards it should work with our mate 8. It must be a 9V2A , be careful some of those sold on AliExpress may have only one voltage of 5v1a and that won't do any fast charging.

ronnie72 said:
Huawei charger with option for EU or US plug.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-9V-...hash=item2a6b21d483:m:mKEdY4PKIJdpJ0H_NQVZoCQ
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Just got the EU version of this one in, can confirm it's identical to the one that came with my Mate 8 and does proper quick charging.

Amazon Good Replacement Quick Charger
this is compatible for the US..very fast charging..even more so than the original charger the Mate 8 came with..I went from 40% until 67% in just under 15 minutes

so i just got mate 8. as usually everyone need more than one charger. is it true that even a charger with QC 2.0 will not charge our phone as fast as the original charger?
i dont have budget to buy $30 charger - will check ebay later.
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keyid said:
I think you need the original hauwei quick charger to get 9v2.4a "quick charge".
Im using a QC 2.0 which should do 9v2a, but do not get "quick charge" message, and using software, only see up to 1.7ah; however with the original charger; I get 2.6ah.
What I also noticed was the with the original charger its goes up to 2.6ah in bursts (from 1.4 to 2.6ah) and not constant, while the QC 2.0 have constant 1.7ah.
Not sure which is faster. Also some cables don't go above 500mah, and some cables do give "quick charge" message on original charger. Ordered USB voltage tester to test more.
Im also looking for source for cheap oem hauwei charger.
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this is copy pasted from someone else reply regarding my question of why QC 2 charger is slower than original huawei.
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They both have the same power QC 9V x 2A =18W or 12V x 1.5V =18W compared to Huawei 9V 2A =18 Watts
However for the Huawei Mate 8, the only charger that will give you 18W worth of charging power is the Huawei SmartPower charger. Anything else charges it at 10W maximum.
And the Huawei SmartPower charger can only charge other devices at 5V 2A = 10W as well. It only switches up to 9V when it sees a Huawei chip inside the other device.
So it's not 12V 1.5A being 0.5A less than 9V 2.0A - Power is Volts multiplied by Amps.
On that particular phone, if you use a Huawei charger you get 18W. If you use ANY non-Huawei charger, you get 10W.
If the battery capacity is 4000mAh at nominal 3.7V, and the charging circuit is 80% efficient then you need to chuck (4 x 3.7 / 0.8) = 18.5 Watts of power into it to charge it. An 18W charger will do that in just over an hour. A 10W charger will take 1.85 Hours which is almost double the time.
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Keep in mind that fast charging wears out the battery more than regular charging. If you have time, use a normal charger with lower current.

Bah, what doesnt wear out a lithium battery? Fast charge on, we can all get replacement batteries for this thing. theyre cheap anyway.

USB-C PD vs Adaptive Fast Charge?

Does anyone happen to know which one charges these phones faster? If I'm not mistaken, Adaptive Fast Charge is basically QC 2.0 right? So wouldn't USB-C PD be faster?
My phone hasn't been shipped yet, otherwise I would test it out myself.

The phone only supports Samsung's Adaptive fast charging, so using a USB-C PD charger won't make a difference.

It also supports Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0 as fast charging, just like the S8 and S9s.

purchio said:
It also supports Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0 as fast charging, just like the S8 and S9s.
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Wrong

purchio said:
It also supports Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0 as fast charging, just like the S8 and S9s.
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Nope - Quick Charge 2.0 maybe, but not 3.0.

Wagedroid said:
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Devhux said:
Nope - Quick Charge 2.0 maybe, but not 3.0.
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That's a QC 3.0 only powerbank according to it's specs.
Take your own conclusions from that...
It charges as fast as the original wall adapter

purchio said:
That's a QC 3.0 only powerbank according to it's specs.
Take your own conclusions from that...
It charges as fast as the original wall adapter
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S10 devices only support 2.0. your previous post said it supports 3.0. it does not.
Any charger will charge the phone, but not faster than the specs allow. I can have a 25w charger but my S10 will not take the 25w capacity

Wagedroid said:
S10 devices only support 2.0. your previous post said it supports 3.0. it does not.
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Connect a QC 3.0 charger, see the charging speed, come to this thread again.

go check out the 2000$ Fold, it listed "compatible with qc 2.0".
2000$ phone supports qc 2.0
s10 support qc 3.0 HAHAHAHA
hope you get what i saying ..

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Connect a QC 3.0 charger, see the charging speed, come to this thread again.
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Why would I go through all that just to prove what we both already know. You even said it yourself that it charges as fast as wall adapter. Wall adapter that ships with the phone is NOT 3.0, so what are you trying to prove exactly? Wall adapter charges at 2.0 amps.
Please stop misinforming people, it's nothing personal, just trying to state the facts. See attachment

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Connect a QC 3.0 charger, see the charging speed, come to this thread again.
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You need to contact Samsung and let them know this, I'm not sure they're even aware of this feature.

chill guys, its cause QC is backward compatible.. so using QC3.0 you will get fast charging up to QC2.0.. not too sure about USB-C PD but i can confirm when using USB-C PD charger, you will get fast charging as well.. not too sure which is faster.. probably the same if the charger can charge up to 15W which is the official max charging speed for S10 btw.
edit: i use the same USB-C PD charger for nintendo switch and S10+

Tel864 said:
You need to contact Samsung and let them know this, I'm not sure they're even aware of this feature.
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Lmao. I'm really hoping they release the 25w in next update. That would make the device perfect for me.
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hayoungpinkpanda said:
chill guys, its cause QC is backward compatible.. so using QC3.0 you will get fast charging up to QC2.0.. not too sure about USB-C PD but i can confirm when using USB-C PD charger, you will get fast charging as well.. not too sure which is faster.. probably the same if the charger can charge up to 15W which is the official max charging speed for S10 btw.
edit: i use the same USB-C PD charger for nintendo switch and S10+
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I called chief, he said that we were chill, and that the phones charging capabilities was already stated in this thread. Thanks tho

Obviously Quick Charge 3.0 would be backwards compatible with Quick Charge 2.0. There's no such thing as "Quick Charge 3.0 only." If there was, boy would we have a lot of fried/exploded devices as they received more current than they were rated for.

Haha did you guys even look up what QC 2 and QC 3 were? They aren't that much different, just the step size. Both have a max of 18 W. You would need a volt meter to prove the phone was QC 3 compatible, showing it charging at a voltage that was not near 5, 9, or 12 volts. As far as I'm aware, the S10 either charges at 5V with Fast Charging disabled, or at 9 V if fast charging is enabled. That would adhear to the QC 2 spec, not the QC 3 spec, since it can't do voltages between 5 and 9. If the S10 gets an update for 25W charging, I believe it would charge at 12 V. Still, only QC 2 compliant, but not QC 3.
USB-C PD can go up to 100 W. I think 45 W and 90 W for laptops is pretty common. The Huawei P30 Pro can supposedly charge at 40 W.

hayoungpinkpanda said:
chill guys, its cause QC is backward compatible.. so using QC3.0 you will get fast charging up to QC2.0.. not too sure about USB-C PD but i can confirm when using USB-C PD charger, you will get fast charging as well.. not too sure which is faster.. probably the same if the charger can charge up to 15W which is the official max charging speed for S10 btw.
edit: i use the same USB-C PD charger for nintendo switch and S10+
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Thank you!
Guess they were having a hard time understanding that QC 3.0/2.0/whatever give the fastest charging speeds that S10 can handle.
On my S9 with Nintendo Switch USB-C PD charger I couldn't get 15w, just 10w (aprox. 5v and 2a).
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It also supports Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0 as fast charging, just like the S8 and S9s.
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I've even quoted my first comment.
Just read what I said: that QC 3.0 charges also give S10 the fastest charging speeds it can handle, NOT QC 3.0 WATTS/SPEED/WHATEVER.
Pretty simple to understand..

Lol retraction at its finest.
"i HavE a qC 4.0 aDapTeR, iT chArGeS mY phOne LiKe A 2.0 aDapTeR"
What did we learn here? Anyone?

purchio said:
On my S9 with Nintendo Switch USB-C PD charger I couldn't get 15w, just 10w (aprox. 5v and 2a).
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Thats likely because you have fast charging disabled. USB-C PD chargers should be capable of charging at 9V 1.67 amps (15W) the same as any QC 2.0 or QC 3.0 or Adaptive Fast Charging capable device. They are just different standards.

Haven't tried using the original charger yet, but my s10 charges on my usb pd capable charger for about 1hr and 20 from 15% to 100%

I'm able to charge up my S10 with a QC. 3.0 power bank and car charger in about the same time as the stock wall charger.
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65W charger on X2 Pro

Will the 65W charger from the Reno Ace charge the realme x2 pro faster than the standard 50W?

chipcamel said:
Will the 65W charger from the Reno Ace charge the realme x2 pro faster than the standard 50W?
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This was tested here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nl5vyesUVE
It appeared to make a very small improvement. I'd suspect it's mostly down to the efficiency of the newer adapter. In practice the difference between supervooc 50W and 65W seems pretty low (far less than 15W).

Can it be charged with a 5 volt charger?

The phone need to be capable to take 65 Watts. Charger rating only says it is capable of delivering the said charge but if the phone is not rated or designed to take the charge then there is no use. so a 65W charger can be used by a 5W max rated phone and the phone gets charged only at 5W though using a 65W charger

phileps said:
Can it be charged with a 5 volt charger?
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yes, of course... 5V2A(10W)
and qualcomm qc2.03.0 (9V2A, 18W) also
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The phone need to be capable to take 65 Watts. Charger rating only says it is capable of delivering the said charge but if the phone is not rated or designed to take the charge then there is no use. so a 65W charger can be used by a 5W max rated phone and the phone gets charged only at 5W though using a 65W charger
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Exactly!!! we need to check if the 2.0-65W charger is charging at 65W or 50W.
This can be done using engineer mode (*#899#), and check if is using 10V5A (50W), or more 65W (13V5A). Taking into account that max power is only used when the battery is near 0%... as it is being charged, 70%, 80% intensity decreases down to 1.2A...
I,ve asked to have a new Youtube video...
Thanks,

Stanz3k said:
This was tested here:
It appeared to make a very small improvement. I'd suspect it's mostly down to the efficiency of the newer adapter. In practice the difference between supervooc 50W and 65W seems pretty low (far less than 15W).
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It seems to me that it at least charges at 50w. The question is, where can we get the official chargers?

But will it degrade your battery health?, sorry im new in this, thanks

21w charging

This phone supports 21w charging, but it is only shipped with an 18W charger. (This charger seem to be able to give out 5V, 9 V (2A) and 12V (1.5A).)
Anyone have information on what version of USB-PD the phone supports? And what voltage is used to obtain 21w?
Has anyone got 21W charging working? As not all higher wattage usb-pd charges may support the 21W mode that this phone needs.

Well I can tell you do not use anything above Sony's recommended charging °W because anything above that - even with PD -- the device will intensely heat up.

JB2unique said:
Well I can tell you do not use anything above Sony's recommended charging °W because anything above that - even with PD -- the device will intensely heat up.
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Sony report 21W charging. So I'm not asking to go above Whats recommended.
I am asking more about the actual charging methodology, as the usb-pd system can be a bit complicated. And even a 45W charger may not correctly 'handshake' at 21w unless it's got the right voltage to offer.

Anyone?
No one has tried using a higher wattage PD charger?

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Anyone?
No one has tried using a higher wattage PD charger?
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My Xiaomi 30W 1A1C charger (which supports USB PD 2.0 over the C port I believe) negotiates 7V/3A to hit the 21W.

JB2unique said:
Well I can tell you do not use anything above Sony's recommended charging °W because anything above that - even with PD -- the device will intensely heat up.
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Winrahr said:
My Xiaomi 30W 1A1C charger (which supports USB PD 2.0 over the C port I believe) negotiates 7V/3A to hit the 21W.
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Nice. That is an interesting combination. I thought it might do it at higher voltage.
How are you measuring it? I'm thinking of getting a usb measuring display.

shock-UK said:
Nice. That is an interesting combination. I thought it might do it at higher voltage.
How are you measuring it? I'm thinking of getting a usb measuring display.
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Me too, I thought it'd be doing 12V/1.8A or something but 7V/3A makes sense. Definitely should make sure the cable is quality enough to support 3A. As an aside, the phone charges at 5V/1.5A for all non USB-PD compliant chargers.
I measured with a super cheap USB C meter that I've been sticking into random chargers for curiosity sake. Highly recommended :laugh:

Ok, ordered an Usb pd 3.0 charger today, the Arcanite one. As it also has a PPS option.
Also ordered as usb c power meter.
Let's see if it does the same voltage combination with this charger.

I just looked more into the USB-PD spec and I believe you'd need a PD3.0 compatible charger to hit the 21W since the charger needs to support PPS to hit 7V/3A. Otherwise I'm assuming it would negotiate to 5V/3A or 9V/2A if the charger doesn't have a 7V step.

So got a charger with PPS support (a USB-PD 3.0) an up to 30w charging. An Anker USB c to c cable with 60W support.
And using a satechi voltage / current measuring device.
But something isn't correct. It could be the usb-c voltage measure.
Using the supplied 18W charger, it's displaying 5.27V, 2.78A. that's roughly 15W. ( Picture attached).
Using the new 30W charger, it's displaying 6.44V, 2.77A. that's roughly 18W. ( Picture attached).
Still need to do more testing, not sure why I'm getting these readings. A bit below what I was expecting.

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So got a charger with PPS support (a USB-PD 3.0) an up to 30w charging. An Anker USB c to c cable with 60W support.
And using a satechi voltage / current measuring device.
But something isn't correct. It could be the usb-c voltage measure.
Using the supplied 18W charger, it's displaying 5.27V, 2.78A. that's roughly 15W. ( Picture attached).
Using the new 30W charger, it's displaying 6.44V, 2.77A. that's roughly 18W. ( Picture attached).
Still need to do more testing, not sure why I'm getting these readings. A bit below what I was expecting.
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What battery % is your phone at? You also have to remember that the closer the phone is to 100%, the charging speed will slow down.
I have an Anker 30W charger and can charge at speeds of at least 3500 mAh (based on Ampere reading).

The battery was around 35%. Yes you are right once it got over 50% the charging rate does show down a bit.
Also the Ampere app was displaying 3600 or 3500 as the current. But even if we calculate that, that's only about 18W. But that app isn't very good at measuring charging voltage or current.

The charger's specifications are attached below,

Actually, did anybody find a 21W charger compliant with our device??? (I mean really delivering 21W...)
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I've ordered the Samsung Ultra Fast Charge 25W (ref: EP-TA800XBEGWW)
It is PD 3.0 PPS and delivers 3.3-5.9V at 3A or 3.3-11.0V at 2.25A.
I hope that will work...

nreuge said:
Actually, did anybody find a 21W charger compliant with our device??? (I mean really delivering 21W...)
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I've ordered the Samsung Ultra Fast Charge 25W (ref: EP-TA800XBEGWW)
It is PD 3.0 PPS and delivers 3.3-5.9V at 3A or 3.3-11.0V at 2.25A.
I hope that will work...
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I have the Samsung EP-TA800 25W charger from a Samsung Galaxy A71 5G. On low battery with my USB tester, I measured 22W (9V/2.5A) when charging my A71 but only 15W (5.5V/2.7A) when charging my Xperia 1 ii. Were you able to do better with this Samsung charger?
In fact, I have been testing all my PD chargers (about a dozen in total -- I might have a problem!), and none has been able to charge my Xperia 1 ii at more than 18W. That's certainly decent, but it would be nice to get the 21W that the hardware is capable of.

mikew99 said:
I have the Samsung EP-TA800 25W charger from a Samsung Galaxy A71 5G. On low battery with my USB tester, I measured 22W (9V/2.5A) when charging my A71 but only 15W (5.5V/2.7A) when charging my Xperia 1 ii. Were you able to do better with this Samsung charger?
In fact, I have been testing all my PD chargers (about a dozen in total -- I might have a problem!), and none has been able to charge my Xperia 1 ii at more than 18W. That's certainly decent, but it would be nice to get the 21W that the hardware is capable of.
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I've not finished my tests, answers soon...

mikew99 said:
I have the Samsung EP-TA800 25W charger from a Samsung Galaxy A71 5G. On low battery with my USB tester, I measured 22W (9V/2.5A) when charging my A71 but only 15W (5.5V/2.7A) when charging my Xperia 1 ii. Were you able to do better with this Samsung charger?
In fact, I have been testing all my PD chargers (about a dozen in total -- I might have a problem!), and none has been able to charge my Xperia 1 ii at more than 18W. That's certainly decent, but it would be nice to get the 21W that the hardware is capable of.
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I've not finished my tests, answers soon...
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I've finished my tests.
Both Sony charger 18W and Samsung EP-TA800 25W charger take 37 mn to charge from 20% to 70%. So, the extra power of the EP-TA800 cannot be used by our device, it does not provide the correct electrical intensity...

Finally, I've ordered the ARCANITE Premium PD 3.0 QC4 PPS 30W charger as mentionned above.

I've received the ARCANITE Premium PD 3.0 QC4 PPS 30W charger and I've done the tests.
To charge from 20% to 70%, the Sony charge takes 37 mn and the ARCANITE charger takes 36 mn (tests done in aiplane mode).
The small difference occurs below 50%.

nreuge said:
I've received the ARCANITE Premium PD 3.0 QC4 PPS 30W charger and I've done the tests.
To charge from 20% to 70%, the Sony charge takes 37 mn and the ARCANITE charger takes 36 mn (tests done in aiplane mode).
The small difference occurs below 50%.
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Thanks for the update. It seems like the ARCANITE might not be delivering the 21W as hoped.
I also ordered yet another charger, the Baseus BS-C915, which allegedly supports PPS. The PPS designation appears in some pictures, but the specifications describe only a range of voltages (3.3-11V @ 3A).
With the Baseus, I get just under 18W (6.6V @ 2.7A) when charging my Xperia 1 ii. It's kind of strange that Sony claims 21W charging but doesn't include a 21W charger and doesn't even provide the specs for one!

33W Charger

Are there any other devices with the same power output? I have various Oneplus chargers, and a couple of Quick charge 3.0, but would like a spare fast charger.

MarkRobert said:
Are there any other devices with the same power output? I have various Oneplus chargers, and a couple of Quick charge 3.0, but would like a spare fast charger.
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You can buy the xiaomi 27W QC4 charger it does 27-35W

realme x2 pro has 50W, so something there shud fit

I've tried various chargers but the SOC was >85% so it wasn't a proper test. With most charger (QC or PD) I've gotten 15W, including with my 65W PD laptop charger. With the original charger I got 20-22W. If it's important to check the power, I can wait until it's discharged and redo the tests, which I plan to do anyway.
For travelling, I find it a lot more useful to have the 36W (18W QC + 18W PD?) cheap Amazon charger with 2xUSB-A and 1xUSB-C, which has the same size as the original charger: https://smile.amazon.de/gp/product/B07WFDTJFR/

Let us know how you get on. I tried my Samsung 25w charger, Pixel 3 charger and the Motorola 18w charger. All of them charge at 12-18w only. Stock charger goes to around 27w

I've now tried all the chargers and powerbanks that I have, QC3 or PD. All of them cap out at 16W, even though they can deliver more. I got the original one to charge with 30W (at 60% SOC).
The original charger is marked QC3 but they are probably not following the standard.

From my understanding the Snapdragon 732g has Quick Charge 4+ support doesn't it ?

manu1991 said:
Let us know how you get on. I tried my Samsung 25w charger, Pixel 3 charger and the Motorola 18w charger. All of them charge at 12-18w only. Stock charger goes to around 27w
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Yes, i've noticed the same. Around 27w max. Today i was charging my phone and observing the batt temperature. Kinda obvious, but the hotter the battery gets, the lower charging power it will deliver. Here in Brazil the temp this week is being around 36-42°C, so i put the phone over a bar of artificial ice. As the batt temp went under 35°C, the resultant "charging current" went to around 5500-6000mA. Doing the math, it was possible to arrive at the 27w result. (~4,5V x 6 = 27w).
When the batt temp was near 38~39°C, charging was down to 2000-2800mA (resulting to around 10-12w).
I also found something strange, it wasn't able to show the charging percentage with 2 decimals, as shown in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y8ja08uGEQ

Can someone give me a link for a u.s. charger for poco x3 device??

danieliswhattheycallme said:
Can someone give me a link for a u.s. charger for poco x3 device??
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maybe this?
https://it.aliexpress.com/item/1005001516773316.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.221f1870n5uSWW&algo_pvid=e82d72d7-5dac-413a-8e05-1657b2124e88&algo_expid=e82d72d7-5dac-413a-8e05-1657b2124e88-15&btsid=0b0a187916118446027031496e9a4e&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

For me GAN 65W chargers (Baseus) are good and universal quick chargers.
I have made a quick test in the thread Chargers and Charging speed