Database Develop

[Q] 15W vs 18W QuickCharge 2.0 Chargers

As we already know, the Bundled Motorola Charger is rated at 15W max, but there are lots of 18W rated Quick Chargers on eBay.
is the 18W chargers significantly faster that the bundled charger?
Thanks.

mflow said:
As we already know, the Bundled Motorola Charger is rated at 15W max, but there are lots of 18W rated Quick Chargers on eBay.
is the 18W chargers significantly faster that the bundled charger?
Thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The 18 watts is for future devices. Current devices are limited to 15 watts. Will be same speed as device limits the wattage.

prdog1 said:
The 18 watts is for future devices. Current devices are limited to 15 watts. Will be same speed at device limits the wattage.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So because of the Device Limitations, not the QuickCharge 2.0 Limitations?
Found this little note at Qualcomm's Website
"In laboratory tests using a 3300mAh battery1, a Quick Charge 2.0 enabled device went from 0% to 60% charge in 30 minutes"
Based on internal tests charging a 3300mAh battery using a [1] QC2.0 USB wall adapter (9V, 2A)
That is an 18W Charger. Did anybody got a 18W charger to test and compare with the bundled 15W charger?

mflow said:
So because of the Device Limitations, not the QuickCharge 2.0 Limitations?
Found this little note at Qualcomm's Website
"In laboratory tests using a 3300mAh battery1, a Quick Charge 2.0 enabled device went from 0% to 60% charge in 30 minutes"
Based on internal tests charging a 3300mAh battery using a [1] QC2.0 USB wall adapter (9V, 2A)
That is an 18W Charger. Did anybody got a 18W charger to test and compare with the bundled 15W charger?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes. Limitations of the power management chip which is separate from the Qualcom chip. That is why S6 CPU can still do Quick Charge 2.0 even tho it does not have a Qualcom CPU. This article explains it.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-need-to-know-about-charging-your-smartphone/
---------- Post added at 01:25 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:08 AM ----------
I have both Aukey 18 Watt wall and car chargers and see no difference from stock Moto fast charger. They all fast.

prdog1 said:
Yes. Limitations of the power management chip which is separate from the Qualcom chip. That is why S6 CPU can still do Quick Charge 2.0 even tho it does not have a Qualcom CPU. This article explains it.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-need-to-know-about-charging-your-smartphone/
---------- Post added at 01:25 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:08 AM ----------
I have both Aukey 18 Watt wall and car chargers and see no difference from stock Moto fast charger. They all fast.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
so no speed difference between 15 and 18 then..
great, now i just need to find a seller who will ship these Quick Chargers to Australia

If you measure, these chargers output between 13 and 14 W anyway, I own several including the moto and HTC ones, and various party ones. The N6 pulls 9V and a bit more than 1.4A The Shield Tablet used to do 12V but at less current so still about 13-14W.

Dash Charge Oneplus 3 Charger & Cable on mi 8

Hi ! I had 2 charger for my Oneplus 3 and cable usb type -c ( I had 3 cable usb type-c ugreen too but no charger)
Can I use my Dash charger with my mi 8 ? I had buy a mi 8 and receive it tomorrow global version with EU charger but don't know wich charger it Qc 3.0 or 4.0 ? And with my oneplus Dash charge is 5v 4amp can work on mi 8 or do buy another charger ? Thank you

ggkameleon said:
Hi ! I had 2 charger for my Oneplus 3 and cable usb type -c ( I had 3 cable usb type-c ugreen too but no charger)
Can I use my Dash charger with my mi 8 ? I had buy a mi 8 and receive it tomorrow global version with EU charger but don't know wich charger it Qc 3.0 or 4.0 ? And with my oneplus Dash charge is 5v 4amp can work on mi 8 or do buy another charger ? Thank you
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
it will charge at normal speed. I tried myself with original oneplus car dash charger, no fast charging for Mi8.

lockmunk said:
it will charge at normal speed. I tried myself with original oneplus car dash charger, no fast charging for Mi8.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ok thanks. I can use it no mistake but slow. I think buy a qc 3 or 4 it's good. For car I have too dash car and it's so good I loose it. I have car charger qc 2 or 3 I don't know.
Thanks

Rommco05 said:
DASH charger is good for OP, strange for others. Highly not recommended to use DASH on other devices than OP
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why not?
It is a very good 5V charger, with Xiaomi you can expect up to 2A current, not more. Perfectly safe to charge anything, however not quickest charging option for others.

Rommco05 said:
RIP battery. Do u think it is good charging phone with no original charger? Especially with OP DASH
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Bull*hit....
Dash charging just doesnt work on mi8, normal charge will not cause any damage on any other phone or their battery.
you do not necessarily need a original charger from your phone manufacturer.
The phone negotiate how much power the battery gets not the charger ... the charger slows down the load balance to 2,4A (2,4A*5V=12W)
With a 2,4A output you'll reach ~12W at peak due to cable limitations you'll get 10w
QC 3.0 reach ~ 18 watt on peak with variable voltage and ampere steps. (3,6 - 20v)
Same on Dash Charge, Dash uses variable voltage and ampere steps like QC but doubles the charging lanes.
You can charge your phone with any charger you get, the worst you can get is slower charging speed.

tomsag said:
Why not?
It is a very good 5V charger, with Xiaomi you can expect up to 2A current, not more. .
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Bull****, the original MI 8 charge is QC 3.0 and I'm getting up to 3.3A on it.
It's very fast..
---------- Post added at 10:39 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:36 AM ----------
Flash-User said:
Bull*hit....
Dash charging just doesnt work on mi8, normal charge will not cause any damage on any other phone or their battery.
you do not necessarily need a original charger from your phone manufacturer.
The phone negotiate how much power the battery gets not the charger ... the charger slows down the load balance to 2,4A (2,4A*5V=12W)
With a 2,4A output you'll reach ~12W at peak due to cable limitations you'll get 10w
QC 3.0 reach ~ 18 watt on peak with variable voltage and ampere steps. (3,6 - 20v)
Same on Dash Charge, Dash uses variable voltage and ampere steps like QC but doubles the charging lanes.
You can charge your phone with any charger you get, the worst you can get is slower charging speed.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What he said.

Rommco05 said:
I see, probably u never heard about optimization, calibration and testing btw and that's isn't about fast or slow charging
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
OKay its just your opinion but my opinion is you have no insight in electrical topics or the insight of such an charger.
optimization - the charger doesn't overcharge or use an overvoltage on your phone when its not support their specific fast charge technology it simply slow down to 5v - max. 2.4A, these charging speed will never cause any damage on your phone.
its just simple: an QC phone doesnt use the benefits of SuperCharge technology or Dash Charge and vize versa....
And trust me i've done more calibration and testing in USB charging topics and their different Charging tecnologys as you think (mobile batterys, chargers and so on).
I had several phones and several chargers and compared nearly all of them (QC, FastCharge, VOOC) and there is absolutely nothing dangerous to charge a phone with a QC charger if it is a supercharge phone.
But .... you ever can prove the contrary. I'll never stop learning but you have to tell me some facts.

21w charging

This phone supports 21w charging, but it is only shipped with an 18W charger. (This charger seem to be able to give out 5V, 9 V (2A) and 12V (1.5A).)
Anyone have information on what version of USB-PD the phone supports? And what voltage is used to obtain 21w?
Has anyone got 21W charging working? As not all higher wattage usb-pd charges may support the 21W mode that this phone needs.

Well I can tell you do not use anything above Sony's recommended charging °W because anything above that - even with PD -- the device will intensely heat up.

JB2unique said:
Well I can tell you do not use anything above Sony's recommended charging °W because anything above that - even with PD -- the device will intensely heat up.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sony report 21W charging. So I'm not asking to go above Whats recommended.
I am asking more about the actual charging methodology, as the usb-pd system can be a bit complicated. And even a 45W charger may not correctly 'handshake' at 21w unless it's got the right voltage to offer.

Anyone?
No one has tried using a higher wattage PD charger?

shock-UK said:
Anyone?
No one has tried using a higher wattage PD charger?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My Xiaomi 30W 1A1C charger (which supports USB PD 2.0 over the C port I believe) negotiates 7V/3A to hit the 21W.

JB2unique said:
Well I can tell you do not use anything above Sony's recommended charging °W because anything above that - even with PD -- the device will intensely heat up.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Winrahr said:
My Xiaomi 30W 1A1C charger (which supports USB PD 2.0 over the C port I believe) negotiates 7V/3A to hit the 21W.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nice. That is an interesting combination. I thought it might do it at higher voltage.
How are you measuring it? I'm thinking of getting a usb measuring display.

shock-UK said:
Nice. That is an interesting combination. I thought it might do it at higher voltage.
How are you measuring it? I'm thinking of getting a usb measuring display.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Me too, I thought it'd be doing 12V/1.8A or something but 7V/3A makes sense. Definitely should make sure the cable is quality enough to support 3A. As an aside, the phone charges at 5V/1.5A for all non USB-PD compliant chargers.
I measured with a super cheap USB C meter that I've been sticking into random chargers for curiosity sake. Highly recommended :laugh:

Ok, ordered an Usb pd 3.0 charger today, the Arcanite one. As it also has a PPS option.
Also ordered as usb c power meter.
Let's see if it does the same voltage combination with this charger.

I just looked more into the USB-PD spec and I believe you'd need a PD3.0 compatible charger to hit the 21W since the charger needs to support PPS to hit 7V/3A. Otherwise I'm assuming it would negotiate to 5V/3A or 9V/2A if the charger doesn't have a 7V step.

So got a charger with PPS support (a USB-PD 3.0) an up to 30w charging. An Anker USB c to c cable with 60W support.
And using a satechi voltage / current measuring device.
But something isn't correct. It could be the usb-c voltage measure.
Using the supplied 18W charger, it's displaying 5.27V, 2.78A. that's roughly 15W. ( Picture attached).
Using the new 30W charger, it's displaying 6.44V, 2.77A. that's roughly 18W. ( Picture attached).
Still need to do more testing, not sure why I'm getting these readings. A bit below what I was expecting.

shock-UK said:
So got a charger with PPS support (a USB-PD 3.0) an up to 30w charging. An Anker USB c to c cable with 60W support.
And using a satechi voltage / current measuring device.
But something isn't correct. It could be the usb-c voltage measure.
Using the supplied 18W charger, it's displaying 5.27V, 2.78A. that's roughly 15W. ( Picture attached).
Using the new 30W charger, it's displaying 6.44V, 2.77A. that's roughly 18W. ( Picture attached).
Still need to do more testing, not sure why I'm getting these readings. A bit below what I was expecting.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What battery % is your phone at? You also have to remember that the closer the phone is to 100%, the charging speed will slow down.
I have an Anker 30W charger and can charge at speeds of at least 3500 mAh (based on Ampere reading).

The battery was around 35%. Yes you are right once it got over 50% the charging rate does show down a bit.
Also the Ampere app was displaying 3600 or 3500 as the current. But even if we calculate that, that's only about 18W. But that app isn't very good at measuring charging voltage or current.

The charger's specifications are attached below,

Actually, did anybody find a 21W charger compliant with our device??? (I mean really delivering 21W...)
Edit:
I've ordered the Samsung Ultra Fast Charge 25W (ref: EP-TA800XBEGWW)
It is PD 3.0 PPS and delivers 3.3-5.9V at 3A or 3.3-11.0V at 2.25A.
I hope that will work...

nreuge said:
Actually, did anybody find a 21W charger compliant with our device??? (I mean really delivering 21W...)
Edit:
I've ordered the Samsung Ultra Fast Charge 25W (ref: EP-TA800XBEGWW)
It is PD 3.0 PPS and delivers 3.3-5.9V at 3A or 3.3-11.0V at 2.25A.
I hope that will work...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have the Samsung EP-TA800 25W charger from a Samsung Galaxy A71 5G. On low battery with my USB tester, I measured 22W (9V/2.5A) when charging my A71 but only 15W (5.5V/2.7A) when charging my Xperia 1 ii. Were you able to do better with this Samsung charger?
In fact, I have been testing all my PD chargers (about a dozen in total -- I might have a problem!), and none has been able to charge my Xperia 1 ii at more than 18W. That's certainly decent, but it would be nice to get the 21W that the hardware is capable of.

mikew99 said:
I have the Samsung EP-TA800 25W charger from a Samsung Galaxy A71 5G. On low battery with my USB tester, I measured 22W (9V/2.5A) when charging my A71 but only 15W (5.5V/2.7A) when charging my Xperia 1 ii. Were you able to do better with this Samsung charger?
In fact, I have been testing all my PD chargers (about a dozen in total -- I might have a problem!), and none has been able to charge my Xperia 1 ii at more than 18W. That's certainly decent, but it would be nice to get the 21W that the hardware is capable of.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've not finished my tests, answers soon...

mikew99 said:
I have the Samsung EP-TA800 25W charger from a Samsung Galaxy A71 5G. On low battery with my USB tester, I measured 22W (9V/2.5A) when charging my A71 but only 15W (5.5V/2.7A) when charging my Xperia 1 ii. Were you able to do better with this Samsung charger?
In fact, I have been testing all my PD chargers (about a dozen in total -- I might have a problem!), and none has been able to charge my Xperia 1 ii at more than 18W. That's certainly decent, but it would be nice to get the 21W that the hardware is capable of.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
nreuge said:
I've not finished my tests, answers soon...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've finished my tests.
Both Sony charger 18W and Samsung EP-TA800 25W charger take 37 mn to charge from 20% to 70%. So, the extra power of the EP-TA800 cannot be used by our device, it does not provide the correct electrical intensity...

Finally, I've ordered the ARCANITE Premium PD 3.0 QC4 PPS 30W charger as mentionned above.

I've received the ARCANITE Premium PD 3.0 QC4 PPS 30W charger and I've done the tests.
To charge from 20% to 70%, the Sony charge takes 37 mn and the ARCANITE charger takes 36 mn (tests done in aiplane mode).
The small difference occurs below 50%.

nreuge said:
I've received the ARCANITE Premium PD 3.0 QC4 PPS 30W charger and I've done the tests.
To charge from 20% to 70%, the Sony charge takes 37 mn and the ARCANITE charger takes 36 mn (tests done in aiplane mode).
The small difference occurs below 50%.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the update. It seems like the ARCANITE might not be delivering the 21W as hoped.
I also ordered yet another charger, the Baseus BS-C915, which allegedly supports PPS. The PPS designation appears in some pictures, but the specifications describe only a range of voltages (3.3-11V @ 3A).
With the Baseus, I get just under 18W (6.6V @ 2.7A) when charging my Xperia 1 ii. It's kind of strange that Sony claims 21W charging but doesn't include a 21W charger and doesn't even provide the specs for one!

Question Can we charge S21U with 40W chargers?

Hi to all,
Can we charge S21U with 40W chargers? They are a lot chargers like Huawei, Xiaomi and etc... with 40W and more.

I believe the answer is yes - or at least probably. Most of those newer chargers are "Smart" in that they only provide the volts and amps that are needed by the device being charged. I may be wrong about that, but I don't think so - I don't think you have anything to worry about.

isko01 said:
Hi to all,
Can we charge S21U with 40W chargers? They are a lot chargers like Huawei, Xiaomi and etc... with 40W and more.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Pretty sure you can, I use a 45 watt "smart" charger on my NOTE 20 Ultra without any issue.

You can use any charger that supports PD (power delivery), AFC or QC2.0
Any 45 watt USBC charger out there is going to be PD standard so you'll be fine.
The downside is, it'll still only charge at 25 watts.

I am charging my s21U with an 40w charger, works without problem. not using 40 watts of course, but its working.

The phone, all phones in fact, will ONLY charge at it's highest speed the phone allows itself to receive, the charger doesn't matter, it can be lower or higher than what the device is recommended for. A lower power charger will just take longer to charge the phone, a higher power charger will just not charge at it's full power if the phone won't accept the full power from the charger.
I've been using the 90w charger from my HP Spectre X360 my S20 Ultra since I got it without a single issue, I still get about 2 days of use per charge on that thing, and now I've been using the same laptop charger on the S21 Ultra and it works just fine.
The phone fast charges normally, doesn't get super hot, works just fine, and I only need to keep laptop chargers around the house, it's great haha

I have a 45W USB-C PD port as part of an Anker PowerPort and also the 18W charger that came with my Pixel 5. Would I notice much of an improvement in charging speed or integrity/longevity of the battery by purchasing Samsung's 25W charger?

Tmel14 said:
Would I notice much of an improvement in charging speed or integrity/longevity of the battery by purchasing Samsung's 25W charger?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's the charger I've been using w/ S21Ultra (25W from N10+) and I figured out I won't be needing anything bigger then that. Thanks to Samsung 'super fast charging' the 5Ah battery on s21U charges faster then 3.8mA Pixel 4a5G battery(with the same charger). +/- 1 hour and done!

Question Charging Pixel 7 with a 65W Charger

Hey Folks!
Is it okay to charge pixel 7 (It supports only upto 20W charging ig) with a 65W charger? Will this have any ill effects on the pixel's battery life overall the device in any way?

It should be okay. Most likely your 65W charger uses quick charge technologies and will charge your phone at higher voltage instead of high current which is good for your phone (i.e. 1.3A at 11V instead of 3A at 5V). This result in much less heat generation which is the main battery killer.
In any case, your phone will only pull what it needs (and can) from the charge.
I use the 65W of my dead OnePlus phone without issues. The phone only pull a total of 25W anyway.

siffreinsg said:
It should be okay. Most likely your 65W charger uses quick charge technologies and will charge your phone at higher voltage instead of high current which is good for your phone (i.e. 1.3A at 11V instead of 3A at 5V). This result in much less heat generation which is the main battery killer.
In any case, your phone will only pull what it needs (and can) from the charge.
I use the 65W of my dead OnePlus phone without issues. The phone only pull a total of 25W anyway.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi, thanks for the reply. "Output: 5V~20.3V=3A (Max)" is what is written on my charger. Is it okay?

there is a voltage regulator, should be fine...

I've tried m1 macbook air charger with my P7 and phone recognizes it as "charging rapidly" and been charging impressively fast!

Sachin3634 said:
Hey Folks!
Is it okay to charge pixel 7 (It supports only upto 20W charging ig) with a 65W charger? Will this have any ill effects on the pixel's battery life overall the device in any way?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think it's safe. I use my 65w mac charger for my P7 and its impressively fast. The phone runs hot while charging tho so I don't use it while it charges. Haven't had or noticed any issues so far.

It doesn'n matter how fast is the charger, the phone also controls the charging speed. If the charger uses the power delivery standard (wich is used by the Pixels) you can use even a 65W one (like Oneplus 8T's warp charger; 45W as PD), charging speed will be limited at 20/23W (7/7Pro). But if you use the 65W Realme charger (wich is also a warp charger but with USB-A output and without PD support), charging speed will be limited to 10-12W.

As long the charger is high quality, you should be fine. As mentioned before, the charger and phone negotiate charge voltage and current.