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Hey Guys!!!
I've read threads here and there about porting Windows 8 into the Touchpad, but I want to have as many answers as possible in one single thread.
Will it be possible in the future?
What obstacles will the devs find porting it?
I know this website is big in Android development but I want to see different options
licensing
unless microsoft starts selling windows 8 licences for ARM devices (meaning by itself, not pre-installed in a device), porting windows 8 to another devices that doesn't already come with it would be considered piracy.
it is possible to have development to figure out a way for windows 8 to install on this device...but it's not gonna include windows 8 binaries.
I guess these threads need to be merged. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229307
Per that thread they say the biggest issue is the drivers.
why wouldn't MS sell it?
I heard somewhere MS will have an ARM version of next gen of windows
its 89 gogogogogoogggggg
no luck.........................any success???
If I'm not mistaken there's a leaked version of the ARM Windows 8
Again a bit more info here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229307
bassrebel said:
If I'm not mistaken there's a leaked version of the ARM Windows 8
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here's an article about the Windows 8 ARM-version leak:
markdanielmiller said:
here's an article about the Windows 8 ARM-version leak:
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well...strike that. i can't post external links yet in forums here because i'm too much of a XDA newb
but if you simply Google "ARM Windows 8 leak"...you can find articles about the leak and such...
realdreams said:
why wouldn't MS sell it?
I heard somewhere MS will have an ARM version of next gen of windows
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I think what the point was, that MS has 2 options:
Sell the OS as a standalone or sell the OS to OEMs and the OEMs sell the product.
If the latter is the case, you cannot legally install it on something else, that would break the EULA.
Drivers would also probably be an issue, but it's hard to tell until we know what hardware is running Windows 8 whenever it comes out. It's possible that it'll be a non-issue.
realdreams said:
why wouldn't MS sell it?
I heard somewhere MS will have an ARM version of next gen of windows
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Simple,no one would buy it. Chances are,it will be shipped by OEMs with their hardware with custom hardware abstraction layers,if its on consumer devices at all. There is a school of thought that its going to be only for servers. The idea is that taking into account cooling,a rack full of arm servers will have vastly greater performance than a rack full of Intel chips because they can be packed denser. Still,it probably wont be generic,but tied to the particular hardware. It also solves a lot of piracy issues. You cant pirate the software because you cant buy the hardware without buying the software.
It also would give them a leg up on Linux servers. While there COULD be Linux versions ported to the hardware, the manufacturer would probably not give you ANY hardware support,any more than HTC will support Honeycomb on an EVO. They would market it as an appliance rather than a fully configurable server.
There currently are not hardware standards or BIOS/EFI standards for arm that I know of,so a generic version is not possible and I am not optimistic that it will be. Until those things are spelled out there wont be generic hardware like there is with Intel/AMD.
realdreams said:
why wouldn't MS sell it?
I heard somewhere MS will have an ARM version of next gen of windows
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For the same reason that Tablet/Phone makers don't sell devices without an OS. Embedded devices (As the name implies) are supposed to be tied to a single OS.
If you happen to have an MSDN account, you can generally find things such as embedded windows version there. Windows 8 will probably be there as well for ARM. However the biggest problem I think would be hardware working out with it.
ARM for Servers is definitly an option, but MS would be stupid not to offer it to consumers in Laptops and tablets as well.
Currently most tables use ARM and having an Intel x86 in there would not be good for the battery life, ARM is definitly a good option for tablets.
Also Windows 8 will not load Explorer by default, so it will be more power efficient on tablets since it only loads and shows that new Tile (codename was Wind if I'm not mistaken) interface.
It has been demo'ed already on ARM based tablets, if you look at the demo videos on youtube they explicitly mention ARM tablets, and a large part of their plan for Windows 8 is to get onto the ARM based consumer device market.
I agree with posters above though, the ARM version will probably only come through OEM channels. OEMs will probably need to create/tailor a bootloader for their hardware, and preconfigure the OS with the relevant drivers etc.
The best hope for a port will be if an OEM uses hardware close enough that porting their bootloader will be possible and the relevant drivers can be grabbed somewhere. I'm hoping the driver situation will be helped by MS bundling enough generic drivers to get it to run first and that updated/specific drivers can be installed later.
finalhit said:
licensing
unless microsoft starts selling windows 8 licences for ARM devices (meaning by itself, not pre-installed in a device), porting windows 8 to another devices that doesn't already come with it would be considered piracy.
it is possible to have development to figure out a way for windows 8 to install on this device...but it's not gonna include windows 8 binaries.
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I dont think Microsoft licensed WP7 for the HD2
Anyone at the Microsoft Build conference in Cali? They are giving devs a Windows8 Tablet.. or so I heard.
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I know nothing about development, but figure if the right devs got interested, it should be possible. I'm watching the build demo, and they had win8 running on a a 3yr old netbook, only using like 270mb of RAM. I know drivers will be an issue, but... anything is possible, right?
Maybe I'm being a little too optimistic.
Windows 8 developer preview
Microsoft has announced that it's releasing windows 8 to developers later this week. My question is how simple will it be to get it on the touchpad? Sorry if I've been vague. On my phone and just saw the post on Engadget.
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is there any way to install wp8 on a wp7 phone?
Really ? Did you do any homework or read any of the blogs about Windows Phone 8 ? I guess not. A key word that you should know is "search" as you would of found your answer.
To answer your question, NO. Window Phone 7 users will get a upgrade to Windows Phone 7.8 and it will give you the new start menu of Windows Phone 8 but, nothing else.
Windows phone 7.8
There will be update to wp7/wp7.5 called wp7.8 and you have same interface than Windows phone 8
kilus said:
is there any way to install wp8 on a wp7 phone?
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I'm pretty sure we'll be able to put some sort of custom ROM WP8 on a WP7 device.
Other than the secure boot, which should hopefully be easily turned off, I haven't seen anything which would prevent the OS from running on a WP7 device.
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Really ? Did you do any homework or read any of the blogs about Windows Phone 8 ? I guess not. A key word that you should know is "search" as you would of found your answer.
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really? did you do any homework or read any blogs about how to get laid as a nerd? i guess not. a key word you should know is "balls," as you'd require a pair as a real man and help you stop masterbating at online porn, move out your mom's house, and finally get laid at 43 years of age.
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There will be update to wp7/wp7.5 called wp7.8 and you have same interface than Windows phone 8
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thanks hetwo.
gedmurphy said:
I'm pretty sure we'll be able to put some sort of custom ROM WP8 on a WP7 device.
Other than the secure boot, which should hopefully be easily turned off, I haven't seen anything which would prevent the OS from running on a WP7 device.
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thank you too.. its good knowing there are some decent intelligent people out there willing to answer questions without having to be a disrespectful troll.
Hey guys,
Firstly please don't get this wp8 forum off to a bad start and keep flaming each other? Respect each other and the rules please :cyclops:
Secondly, from my understanding current hardware specs of wp7 phones are not high enough, do not meet, wp8 requirements so the answer is probably no. The official line is a definate no, wp7 devices, even new ones like lumia 900 will not get wp8 update
Hopefully soon wp8 on WP7 by Custom Rom
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Secondly, from my understanding current hardware specs of wp7 phones are not high enough, do not meet, wp8 requirements so the answer is probably no. The official line is a definate no, wp7 devices, even new ones like lumia 900 will not get wp8 update
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Definitely not via an update, that's clearly been addressed by Microsoft. However existing WP7 hardware is surely powerful enough to run WP8. The single core processor is definitely not a problem, and low end WP8 devices are looking to be lower in specs than current WP7 devices.
I'm no expert in usermode on WP, but I know the NT kernel extremely well, and it's more than capable of running on our hardware.
Some body will hack it
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Only problem maybe drivers. It is Microsoft way to release oem from out of warranty obligation to keep an outdated product updated.
Who wants to sell one shirt and that person never buys another because it last too long. I understand wanted to save money. But how can they keep making money if the people that work for them is trying to make something2 years old work off of the mere 500$ the phone is worth. Hey has to make money or they will disappear like farmer jack and circuit city
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kilus said:
really? did you do any homework or read any blogs about how to get laid as a nerd? i guess not. a key word you should know is "balls," as you'd require a pair as a real man and help you stop masterbating at online porn, move out your mom's house, and finally get laid at 43 years of age.
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Hahaha. If you read ANY PLACE on this site, it says to SEARCH before posting.
You must not know how to read. This has been a major topic of discussion over every Windows Phone 7 related site.
It does not take a geek or loser like yourself just to spend 2 min reading before posting a subject that has been posted everywhere.
The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do. It will have native support for C++ and a lot of other modern tech (NFC and others). The current chipset in current devices will not be able to handle it with reasonable performance. As I understand it.
IF some hacker was to create a rom for a current device, it would not support more than 1/2 of the OS and the performace would not be anything worth using unless they stripped everything out.
It's really questionable if a hacker will be able to get it working on current devices and what type of performance. If you really want to know the changes, it's a little long but, it really shows what it can and will do...
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Windows-Phone/Summit
It's the full streaming event, and it's almost 2 hours but, it's impressive and I can see why they went this route.
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The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do.
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Absolutely not true. The NT kernel will run on seriously low specs without any issues. It'll happily run on an old pentium 233 and 32MB RAM without any notable issues in performance. In fact,WP7 hardware is sufficient to run full blown Windows 7, not just the NT6 kernel (assuming the processor was x86 and not ARMv7)
I don't se drivers being a huge blocker as the number of drivers for NT6 is huge, and even in the worst case scenario any drivers we may be missing can be written.
It'll be interesting to see how quickly someone gets WP8 running on a WP7 device.
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Absolutely not true. The NT kernel will run on seriously low specs without any issues. It'll happily run on an old pentium 233 and 32MB RAM without any notable issues in performance. In fact,WP7 hardware is sufficient to run full blown Windows 7, not just the NT6 kernel (assuming the processor was x86 and not ARMv7)
I don't se drivers being a huge blocker as the number of drivers for NT6 is huge, and even in the worst case scenario any drivers we may be missing can be written.
It'll be interesting to see how quickly someone gets WP8 running on a WP7 device.
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It's a good question. As I got that from a Tweet by someone at MS. As I understand Windows 8 has a updated kernel that they are using on WP8. Not sure on it, as I thought it was the same as you (I'm a 20 year Windows Systems admin, I know the NT kernel COULD run on 286 machines if needed, not sure on the updated one, just going on what I heard).
It might of been the option of forcing users to have not hard reset their phones (like going from 32bit to 64-bit, no upgrade path) and that would cause a big impact on customer reports. As I have understood from watching the whole MS thing on it, it came down to performance problems that ended it before it started. Some chipsets to support the new OS are not on WP7 devices, so it limits the options current users can take advantage of.
It's not just about the devices and the end users , its' about the PR nightmare. Any press is good but, bad press is a whole different story. In a year or 2 no one will even talk about this. Android does this all the time and even Apple did it to their first gen device.
Who knows. Maybe one of the great hackers here or DFT will make it run on a current device. It makes me question it though.
As long as WP7 devices have been out, Not one WM 6.5 devices (not incuding the HD2 as it was used as a test device for MS on WP7 and drivers were leaked) got a WP7 upgrade OR No Android device got WP7 or the other way around. There are plenty of Android devices or even a handful of 6.5 devices that could of run WP7 fine.
The hackers can do only so much but, time will tell, I just wonder IF POSSABLE (with out MS), just how long it would take.
It will be interesting to see tho...
I do know I am about 95% sure I will be buying one on release, just depending on the models on release.
The reason for almost none of the 6.5 devices running WP7 could be that most of the old devices running 6.5 didn´t have the needed display (capacitive and the WP7 resolution) or processor. Take the Toshiba TG01: resistive display and higher resolution.
btw....moved to Q&A:good:
this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:
hackarchive said:
this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:
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for hd7? i see...
hackarchive said:
this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:
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Just wondering... Where did you get your info on that ? Your HD7 and focus besides the display and case is almost like every other Windows Phone 7 device (standard hardware across all models).
Even though it has been clearly said by Microsoft that NO 1st or 2nd gen devices will get the update you seem to think the HD7 will.
Maybe it's me but, I'm smelling a little BS here....
Unless Microsoft says that they will be updating or DFT decides to dig in, your not getting a upgrade on any first or 2nd gen device and that includes the HD7 and Focus.
The problem with the kernel is not that it by itself would need that much power to run but rather that they would have to develop loads of drivers for it to work, as they would not be able to use those that already exist for Windows CE.
A bigger problem might be the Bootloader process. The NT Kernel at least on ARM requires an UEFI firmware which is likely to be pretty different from the bootloaders we currently have on our phones.
So the steps would be:
- Develop an UEFI firmware for current WP7 hardware (HSPL needed because it would replace the old bootloader) - including UEFI hardware drivers
- Develop drivers for the chipsets from scratch
- Find out on how many hardware characteristics Microsoft chose to rely that are simply not there on old devices
I'm not saying that it is impossible to do or that it won't ever be done but I guess until it's done almost no one will still be using such an old phone.
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DavidinCT said:
Hahaha. If you read ANY PLACE on this site, it says to SEARCH before posting.
You must not know how to read. This has been a major topic of discussion over every Windows Phone 7 related site.
It does not take a geek or loser like yourself just to spend 2 min reading before posting a subject that has been posted everywhere.
The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do. It will have native support for C++ and a lot of other modern tech (NFC and others). The current chipset in current devices will not be able to handle it with reasonable performance. As I understand it.
IF some hacker was to create a rom for a current device, it would not support more than 1/2 of the OS and the performace would not be anything worth using unless they stripped everything out.
It's really questionable if a hacker will be able to get it working on current devices and what type of performance. If you really want to know the changes, it's a little long but, it really shows what it can and will do...
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Windows-Phone/Summit
It's the full streaming event, and it's almost 2 hours but, it's impressive and I can see why they went this route.
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Helooo???
Low end WP8 devices will have lower HW specs than some current WP7 devices.
WP8 could run very well on a focus s or HD7 or any other.
There will be custom roms for many current devices, there are many smart guys here that I'm sure will try to do this. Let's hope they will manage to do it.
Question 1: Seems like Focus S is never getting as much love as HTC Titan for some reason, why is that?
OK, I just got two extra WP phones I got back in 2012 SIM unlocked, sammy focus S and HTC Titan. I plan to give one to my parents in China to use, who are not tech savvy nor heavy cellular data user at all. I have a few questions based on what I skimmed through several WP forums (XDA etc) that I need you experienced users' help.
1. Which one is more idiot-proof for old users, focus S or Titan?
2. Once I SIM unlocked it, I assume they can just pop a local SIM to talk and txt, right? Anything else that needs to be manually set up?
3. I noticed a few threads talking about tricks of setting APN with Straight Talk. How about TMobile? And I assume that's only used for data usage right? If my parents just use it to talk and txt plus WIFI, it should be fine just leave the settings unchanged?
4. Also a lot of threads were debating whether to upgrade to WP7.8 or not and how to do it. Now it's 2014, is WP7.8 upgrade pushed automatically by MS already or I still need to follow the instruction and use 3rd party tools to do it?
5. Is there any custom ROMs for this phone at all? And what are the immediate updates/mods you guys suggest if I boot up the phone for the first time.
Thanks so much.
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The focus s was unfortunately an ATT exclusive , meaning one of the best designed windows phone 7 devices ever made was also only available to a tiny number of users, hence the lack of love!
As for setting it up,network unlock it, interop unlock, setup apn , update to 7.8 an your done
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Focus S to android Os
So noone can get the Focus S to run any android Os ?
Bennyscrewz said:
So noone can get the Focus S to run any android Os ?
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Dude,
With the exception of ONE device, the immortal HTC HD2, there has never been any (current) device that has had cross platform support, and lets be clear about the HD2, it was a WM device, that was opened up, and rather handily was also used as a test platform for WP. its android life started out as a hack that ran (initially) from within windows, later moved to its own ROM via MAGLDR. There was a lot of very cleaver people using a single device thus it had a lot of support to do these wonderful things.
OEMs shipping android then went nuts and made so many new devices it diluted the support available to specific phones and effectively killed off any further "HD2 Moments"
So no, the focus S doesn't have Android support. No one is working on it, no one tried to and to my knowledge no one will ever work on it, the same can probably be said about most phones.
Besides that, I cant remember which one because there was so many different versions it is but its essentially the same as the Samsung Galaxy 2(s?) so why not buy that if you want android on it?
and Finally
This has been asked So many times about so many devices, even googling it brings up an answer within the first few posts. Just take this as a wee helping hint, try search for your questions, this site has so many users over so many devices that statistically, its likely any question you may have has probably been answered somewhere by someone else
Now there are a couple of new OEMS out there (Yezz, Blu, Prestigio....) Any chance to jailbreak one of these devices?
No yet. Secure Boot UEFI.
Jailbreak doesn't necessarily need a custom ROM, though that's one way to do it. My phone runs the stock ROM but is very hacked. It's not a full "root" though; still working on that. :-/
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Jailbreak doesn't necessarily need a custom ROM, though that's one way to do it. My phone runs the stock ROM but is very hacked. It's not a full "root" though; still working on that. :-/
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which phone are you using now? Hope you get the full root, any way to enable 2 column tiles on phones like Lumia 730?
Samsung SGH-T899M. I was one of the people (along with -W_O_L_F-) who figured out how to get interop-unlock on Samsung WP8 handsets, and the capability-unlock which built upon that was my own effort.
Lumias, the 730 or otherwise, you'll have to wait unless you want to try taking your phone apart and using JTAG. People are constantly working on it but nothing has, so far as I know, been published yet.
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Samsung SGH-T899M. I was one of the people (along with -W_O_L_F-) who figured out how to get interop-unlock on Samsung WP8 handsets, and the capability-unlock which built upon that was my own effort.
Lumias, the 730 or otherwise, you'll have to wait unless you want to try taking your phone apart and using JTAG. People are constantly working on it but nothing has, so far as I know, been published yet.
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I am following your work since WP7 days Just asked about your phone hoping you have jailbroken a Lumia WP8.
The WP7 days were much better for jailbreaking and homebrew stuff with so much stuff possible by just using diagnostics and registry changes.
I was just wondering if it is possible to revert to 2 column tiles for Lumia 730, very surprising to see that Microsoft has removed the option for 2 column tiles in even devices smaller than 5 inches which was the previously mentioned size limit. Lumia 625 with 4.7 inches has both 2/3 column size but Lumia 730 at same size has only 3 column option.
And i am sure Microsoft has not removed the code and some simple trick/hack/ registry change should bring back the option of 2 column tiles.
Hi sorry to post this I'm betting its on here somewhere but I cant find it done loads of searches... Ihave a Nokia Lumia 930 on windows 8.1 is there away to install android on this phone if so any information would be grateful thankyou
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Not possible yet, as bootloader of phone cannot be unlocked
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What about this hxxp://fullandroid.org/nokia-lumia-930/ it says about installing android 6 on on Nokia Lumia 930
Ok thxs its a shame boot loader is locked. Think I read somewhere about windows 10 update then there's away to load apks from the app store
So I'm screwed when it comes to running apks from google on this Nokia 930
NEVER!!!!
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NEVER!!!!
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Never gonna get google apps to work u mean
How come other phones like Nokia 928 can be unlocked bootloader but the 930 cant
Closer to Android on Lumia 930 with the release of WP internals
Are we closer to see Android (Oreo) to be ported now that the WP Internals 2.3 version has been released?
was there any success with this?
have one lumia 930 which I no longer use and want to try android on it (if possible)
reports of windows 10 for ARM
aegispotae said:
was there any success with this?
have one lumia 930 which I no longer use and want to try android on it (if possible)
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There were reports about running W10 on ARM on an 830. How to contact the devs?
I'd like to develop a ROM for it but currently I am working on my midterm exams. I also tried to build some ROMs for my Android devices (Galaxy Tab E SpreadTrum), but failed twice, the third time I mistakely made a recovery for it. If someone adds a detailed guide how to prepare the env., get the device drivers for the sensors etc. If someone is willing to give me some extensive knowlegde or at least a source for the knowledge I'll do it. Alternatively for a faster development you can alert the devs (They've probably noticed this because of the 830 hacks that allow to run W10 for ARM instead of Windows Mobile.).
I was also wondering whether there has been any update on this?
I have seen a couple of links to information that I consider suspicious. For example, there was this link to rooting the 930:
httxs://howto-android.com/how-to-root-the-nokia-lumia-930/
However, it refers to using an Android tool so how is this going to work on a Windows phone? If I am going to do this, then I want to use a method that makes sense, has been tested and is reliable.
I'm at the juncture now where I either need to think about replacing the phone battery or buying a new phone. For replacing the battery to be worthwhile in the long term I would need to replace Win10 with Android. Otherwise, the New Nokia 6 2018 looks reasonable at the budget price level that I am restricted to these days. On the other hand the 930 has been a reliable phone hardware wise and has a good camera, and I think there is still life in it, which is why I am very interested in the answer to this question. If there is an Android ROM for it, then I am eager to give it a go.